Sky News Madeleine McCann ......Police probe phone recordes

**Panda** Fri 4 Oct - 9:07

http://news.sky.com/story/1150028/madeleine-mccann-police-probe-phone-records

Watch the video quite interesting. Sky News Madeleine McCann ......Police probe phone recordes 25346

Sky News Madeleine McCann ......Police probe phone recordes 25346

I think (hope) the police are being very canny here and the Phone Records of the McCanns will be the only ones checked.

I take it back , the Crimewatch programme with the McCanns appearing and Redwood too cosy with the McCanns suggests this is yet another ploy to prove Madeleine is "findable" and did not die in 5a as suggested by Amaral , which of course helps the McCanns in their charge against him.

I don't know how SY intend to find the phone records of 6 yrs ago for possible suspects who may be of interest. That is a mammoth task and will add more £millions to the cost of this investigation.

**Panda** Fri 4 Oct - 10:02

I thought that was quite subliminal, the shot of someone dusting the CLOSED shutter for prints. Kate says the shutters were open and the window and the curtains blowing . Instead of a Crimewatch recon and trying to locate phone calls and people from 6 yra ago, just have a recon of that night , the Tapas 9 could hardly refuse.

**LJC** Fri 4 Oct - 10:14

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**Panda** Fri 4 Oct - 10:43

Thanks LJC, but the phone calls made by the McCanns et al were traced and the Portugese Prosecutor asked a Judge whether the evidence was sufficient to go to Trial......the Judge said "Show me the Body."

The same applies today if a trace is put on possible leads who may be living abroad . Can we honestly believe that all this extra time and money will result in translated phone calls from one Foreigner to another ??

Abdul to joaquim: "The Sheik is very interested in the photo of that pretty child you sent , we are arranging for a speedboat to be in the Harbour for transporting her and you will be paid then. Full arrangements to follow.

Sky news are reporting the Crimewatch and how the Mccanns will make an appeal. They say they are the only ones who have been using the Media to help find their Daughter..... yet they thought a recon of little importance.!!!

comperedna Fri 4 Oct - 11:37

Redwood and co could sit on their bums and ring up everyone in the UK up on their landlines, and in Portugal, and maybe in other countries too, and see if their voices sounded suspicious, and ask them if the were in PDL on the night, and then maybe...
What on earth is going on in this case?

**kitti** Fri 4 Oct - 11:47

Can I phone a friend?

**Panda** Fri 4 Oct - 16:02

comperedna wrote:Redwood and co could sit on their bums and ring up everyone in the UK up on their landlines, and in Portugal, and maybe in other countries too, and see if their voices sounded suspicious, and ask them if the were in PDL on the night, and then maybe...
What on earth is going on in this case?

It is ridiculous comparedna , yet we have Osborne and Cameron cutting everything yet no one has commented on the cost SY have so far incurred in what has been a fruitless endevour. One of the press reports suggests tha Redwood has 41 "persons of interest , but 3 will probably be discounted.!!!

I think Redwood should be taken off the case and the investigation stopped. The McCanns can't complain I can't think of any other case which has engendered so much publicilty and cost to the Taxpayer .Let the Portugese close the file, they too have spent a lot of time and money.

**wjk** Fri 4 Oct - 16:07

They can't close the file, there is a child still missing.

**Panda** Fri 4 Oct - 16:08

kitti wrote:Can I phone a friend?

Kitti it is farcical now and Cameron will be on a hiding to nothing if no new evidence is found. Why did the Home Office sanction this investigation????
If Amaral wins , the Government, Press, and above all the McCanns , will lose any credibility.

**Panda** Fri 4 Oct - 16:15

wjk wrote:They can't close the file, there is a child still missing.

I think there is a time limit wjk but the Portugese have not seen fit to open the case yet and if Redwood comes up with nothing then the Home Office will not do any further investigating so uinless by some miracle there is new evidence and someone is found, the case remains shelved and the McCanns won't be able to do a thing about it.

**fred** Fri 4 Oct - 16:38

Panda wrote:
kitti wrote:Can I phone a friend?
Kitti it is farcical now and Cameron will be on a hiding to nothing if no new evidence is found. Why did the Home Office sanction this investigation????
If Amaral wins , the Government, Press, and above all the McCanns , will lose any credibility.

They haven't any credibility to be fair, but, and it's just my opinion of course, if Amaral does win, the press will spin it like a giant spider web, the corrupt Portuguese court system will be brought to the fore front of the British Media, the judges private life will be dragged out, even of course she is the Virgin Mary reincarnation she will be villified. The whole trial/process will be ridiculed and Amaral, the poor sod will have every aspect of his life brought back into the tabloids as to how he could be so cruel to suggest that the saintly, teflon duo had actually neglected their 3 children, never mind harmed one of them! I wonder if we will have to wait until they do a Jimmy Saville and be actually dead before the press print what has really happened?

**MaryB** Fri 4 Oct - 16:42

In any case how can there be new evidence if all they have done is gone through the files where all the old evidence is.

**Panda** Fri 4 Oct - 17:27

fred wrote:
Panda wrote:
kitti wrote:Can I phone a friend?
Kitti it is farcical now and Cameron will be on a hiding to nothing if no new evidence is found. Why did the Home Office sanction this investigation????
If Amaral wins , the Government, Press, and above all the McCanns , will lose any credibility.
They haven't any credibility to be fair, but, and it's just my opinion of course, if Amaral does win, the press will spin it like a giant spider web, the corrupt Portuguese court system will be brought to the fore front of the British Media, the judges private life will be dragged out, even of course she is the Virgin Mary reincarnation she will be villified. The whole trial/process will be ridiculed and Amaral, the poor sod will have every aspect of his life brought back into the tabloids as to how he could be so cruel to suggest that the saintly, teflon duo had actually neglected their 3 children, never mind harmed one of them! I wonder if we will have to wait until they do a Jimmy Saville and be actually dead before the press print what has really happened?

Actually fred, I think the tide would turn if Amaral wins, the Press have no sense of loyalty and the Express in particular has reason to gloat if the McCanns have to fork out a hefty sum on Legal fees and Award to Amaral.

**fred** Fri 4 Oct - 17:36

Well i hope you are right and i am wrong! But i think I've a better chance of winning the euromillions (even though I don't play) than that happening Panda. How can this absolute shit still be going on after more than 6 years???? It's incredible! You would have thought if the Express wanted some kind of justice/revenge, then they could have donated to the Amaral defence fund, it's not like they would have had to do it in any kind of "blazing glory" a cheque donated annoymously is all it would have taken.

jassi Fri 4 Oct - 17:39

MaryB wrote:In any case how can there be new evidence if all they have done is gone through the files where all the old evidence is.

Who has actually said that there is new evidence - SY or media releases ?

**fred** Fri 4 Oct - 17:44

jassi wrote:
MaryB wrote:In any case how can there be new evidence if all they have done is gone through the files where all the old evidence is.
Who has actually said that there is new evidence - SY or media releases ?

The British press, so of course it is totally true Sky News Madeleine McCann ......Police probe phone recordes 49091

**fuzeta** Fri 4 Oct - 18:04

fred wrote:
Panda wrote:
kitti wrote:Can I phone a friend?
Kitti it is farcical now and Cameron will be on a hiding to nothing if no new evidence is found. Why did the Home Office sanction this investigation????
If Amaral wins , the Government, Press, and above all the McCanns , will lose any credibility.
They haven't any credibility to be fair, but, and it's just my opinion of course, if Amaral does win, the press will spin it like a giant spider web, the corrupt Portuguese court system will be brought to the fore front of the British Media, the judges private life will be dragged out, even of course she is the Virgin Mary reincarnation she will be villified. The whole trial/process will be ridiculed and Amaral, the poor sod will have every aspect of his life brought back into the tabloids as to how he could be so cruel to suggest that the saintly, teflon duo had actually neglected their 3 children, never mind harmed one of them! I wonder if we will have to wait until they do a Jimmy Saville and be actually dead before the press print what has really happened?

Well said Fred that is exactly what will happen

**Carolina** Fri 4 Oct - 18:05

The PJ were not allowed to use the phone calls of rhe McCanns and their friends because the judge in Evora ruled that it violated their privacy. Also the judge that since the calls they wanted to look into happened before the crime, it would be illegal. Very strange decision in my opinion.

jassi Fri 4 Oct - 18:08

Carolina wrote:The PJ were not allowed to use the phone calls of rhe McCanns and their friends because the judge in Evora ruled that it violated their privacy. Also the judge that since the calls they wanted to look into happened before the crime, it would be illegal. Very strange decision in my opinion.

Following the example of GCHQ, Scotland Yard will have no such reluctance. What they might do with the information is another matter.

**fuzeta** Fri 4 Oct - 18:18

Carolina wrote:The PJ were not allowed to use the phone calls of rhe McCanns and their friends because the judge in Evora ruled that it violated their privacy. Also the judge that since the calls they wanted to look into happened before the crime, it would be illegal. Very strange decision in my opinion.

Very strange decision when a child was missing or dead. Makes you wonder why such a decision was made Sky News Madeleine McCann ......Police probe phone recordes 303636

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interested Fri 4 Oct - 19:26

I wonder if this "probe" will include calls made to Gordon Brown (the P.M. in-waiting at the time).

**Panda** Sat 5 Oct - 0:08

I really am puzzled that this couple, under normal circumstances of a missing child after a World Wide search can keep the momentum going for six years . They had Prime Ministers and the Press eating out of their hands and managed to turn what was essentially their negligence into everyones fault except theirs.

Loopdaloop Sat 5 Oct - 0:50

An article in the Daily Mail saying something similar got whooshed today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2443057/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-trawls-phone-records-ALL-tourists-staying-Maddie-resort.html?offset=0&max=100#comment-39164122

If anyone has a copy of it, I would be interested in reading it again as there must have been something carter ruck did not like in it!

interested Sat 5 Oct - 1:26

www.mccannfiles.com has an article from the Evening Standard entitled: "Inside Scotland Yard's new Madeleine McCann hunt incident room" complete with pictures. (dated 04 October 2013)

The incident room is described as the nerve centre of the investigation.

You'll have to scroll down.

**AnnaEsse** Sat 5 Oct - 7:07

interested wrote:www.mccannfiles.com has an article from the Evening Standard entitled: "Inside Scotland Yard's new Madeleine McCann hunt incident room" complete with pictures. (dated 04 October 2013)

The incident room is described as the nerve centre of the investigation.

You'll have to scroll down.

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