Madeleine McCann inquiries: Met wants 'joint investigation team'

What does this mean.

We know what happened.
The portugese know what happened.
Scotland Yard know what happened.

The portugese won't allow a whitewash...
and i think the idea of using the PJ to lay blame is also wide of the mark.

what is the aim of this?

Loopdaloop wrote:What does this mean.

We know what happened.
The portugese know what happened.
Scotland Yard know what happened.

The portugese won't allow a whitewash...
and i think the idea of using the PJ to lay blame is also wide of the mark.

what is the aim of this?

What it has always been Loopdaloop to make sure the McCann's come out of it squeaky clean and that somebody, preferably dead gets the blame.

This 'joint venture' sounds like a good way for SY to scale down their operations and gradually hand back to Portugal without admiitting failure and a complete waste of all our £millions.

The trouble is like Kitti rightly quoted ...SY are looking for a live Madeleine and Portugal a body. So how Is a joint venture going to work.

fuzeta wrote:Sorry LJC I missed up your last line when I made my reply and then it looked all one post

I don't know how to put it right!!

I think I've done it!  

Pat Brown on twitter:



Encouraging news! SY say they and the PJ have a "different focus for their inquiries." If true, the PJ is focusing on the McCanns.

What it has always been Loopdaloop  to make sure the McCann's come out of it squeaky clean and that somebody, preferably dead gets the blame.
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Sadly for the McCanns, they will never ever been seen as squeaky clean...even if the police come up with a body and a convenient paedophile........the damage has been done.

I agree Roasted Arizona, doesn't matter what happens now, imo the McCs reputation is in tatters brought on by themselves.

Annabel wrote:Pat Brown on twitter:



Encouraging news! SY say they and the PJ have a "different focus for their inquiries." If true, the PJ is focusing on the McCanns.

Scotland Yard "have a different focus for their inquiries." Well, what a revelation... not! Scotland Yard have always had a different focus for their inquiries - it's called, "Anyone other than the parents and their friends." They went into Portugal with it in 2007 and 6 years on and 5 million pounds of public money wasted later they still have it. Not content with the destruction of the reputation of the FSS, in its day one of the leading forensic labs in the world, which led to its total demise within less than two years, the 'powers that be' orchestrating this ongoing attempt to er, ahem, cough 'solve' this crime are obviously prepared to utterly destroy whatever credibility Scotland Yard and British policing in general may still have had. IMO only when the balloon launcher from Merseyside is consigned to the scrapheap together with his friends in high places will we have any hope of this case being solved. IMO Pat Brown is perhaps being a bit naive in thinking that the above is 'encouraging' news.

I think it's encouraging news. First, we've got the Head Balloon Releaser in a panic, saying he wants to "work with" (i.e. control) the Portuguese, then we have the family friend whining that they are not doing anything to "help" the "search for Madeleine". Desperate times. But they haven't clocked that people, even the average Joe Punter, as seeing right through all that bullshit now and are starting to ask awkward questions.

British and Portugese police to merge in hunt for Madeleine McCann

BRITISH and Portuguese detectives investigating the kidnap of Madeleine McCann are close to becoming a single task force, it was revealed yesterday.



By: John Twomey
Published: Thu, November 28, 2013




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High-level talks are taking place aimed at setting up a joint investigation team. The new squad would take advantage of European law to speed up cross-border inquiries in the bid to discover the truth about the disappearance of the three-year-old in Praia da Luz in 2007.

Negotiations to form the joint unit were revealed by Metropolitan Police chief Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe.

He said: “One thing we’d like to see in the future is a joint investigation team which comes under the European community. It is a possibility legally, and we’re working together at political, police and judicial levels to see how we can construct that.”

An elite Yard squad is carrying out an investigation, code-named Operation Grange.

It is following several lines of inquiry, including reports of a man seen carrying a child wearing pyjamas close to the McCann family apartment around the time Madeleine went missing.

Portugal has its own review team looking at the disappearance from a different angle.

One line of inquiry Portuguese police are probing is whether Euclides Monteiro, who died four years ago, snatched Madeleine in an act of revenge against the holiday resort where she was staying, and from where he had been sacked the year before.

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It’s important that we work together on what is clearly a common problem

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, Metropolitan Police chief

Mobile phone transmitter analysis placed his handset near the holiday apartment. The suspect, who was a heroin addict and thief from Cape Verde, off the west African coast, died in a tractor accident aged 40. His ­family insist he is innocent.

Sir Bernard said: “There are two separate inquiries with a different focus. But it’s important that we work together on what is clearly a common problem. It’s a formal arrangement. It allows officers from each country to work in the other country, it gives them powers associated with that and it’s an efficient way of doing it.

“If you’re not careful, you end up doing things on an ad-hoc basis, and for us it would be better to have that type of arrangement. So we’re trying to get agreement between the two governments and the two police services.”

British police received hundreds of calls and emails after recent renewed television appeals for information in the UK, Holland and Germany. They appealed for help trying to trace a man who was seen carrying a child towards the sea, and a number of fair-haired men who were hanging around the holiday apartment where Madeleine was staying.

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The girl’s parents, heart specialist Gerry McCann and former GP Kate, both 45, of Rothley, Leics, declined to comment while the police inquiry is ongoing.

Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “How the investigations are run is entirely a matter for both police forces to agree themselves.”

But a family source expressed concern about the Portuguese investigation and urged the Lisbon authorities to ensure their inquiries are complementary.



Complementary for whom.

Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “How the investigations are run is entirely a matter for both police forces to agree themselves.


Actually, your wrong there.



The crime happened in Portugal and it's the Portuguese that are running the show, not you and not SY?


You can't rewrite history.


The minor Madeleine McCann died in apt 5a and the parents won't give up the cadaver.

sy want it to be a joint operation whoooooo that must mean
that everyone that had contact with madeleine during the holiday will be reinterviewed under caution all of them to find who was the last one to see madeleine - anything less would be a - and thats going to happen - and ive just woke up

LJC wrote:

fuzeta wrote:

LJC wrote:The way I understand it is that SY were undertaking a review of the evidence in the hope they would unearth something significant enough to persuade the Portuguese to re-open the investigation.  But in the meantime the Portuguese have re-opened it anyway.  Therefore, what would be wrong in SY bringing all of their information to the table and the PJ bringing theirs?  To my mind it makes no sense at all to have two separate forces undertaking a review on the one hand and an investigation on the other.  I see nothing wrong here and think it makes sense.  SY are limited on what they can look at in a review and the PJ have files of papers of their own since re-opening the case, so let SY have sight of them and vice versa.

This is a very serious crime here that has been committed.  We are used to child murders, heaven knows we are, but either someone is behind bars like Ian Brady even if no child's body has been found, or the child is found dead but no one behind bars, but this is both - no child, no body, no one locked up.  

Even in the April Jones case they found bones and could have a funeral and say goodbye and someone is locked up, but in this case, nothing but dead ends all the time.

It makes sense for both forces to join together now and crack this and, at the same time, for the same to happen in Ben Needham's case.( quote)

I would agree if this case was a normal investigation, which it never has been!  SY have an agenda in this and that is why they want to poke around and see exactly what the PJ has and where they are heading.  We must not forget that SY has already all but cleared the McCann's and have said they have no part in their investigations.
This is bad news and I hope the PJ say no. I do not trust Andy Redman and his team one jot.

fuzeta wrote:Sorry LJC I missed up your last line when I made my reply and then it looked all one post

I don't know how to put it right!!

No problems.

However, many believe that PJ have an agenda as well!  Can two countries Police Forces both be corrupt?  No, I don't think so.

I have never known Police to 'have an agenda' actually.  They investigate, piece by little piece.  If they set out to investigate without an open mind, they never solve the crime. They have to look for proof and an agenda is not proof.  

Some cases just can't be solved and that's the bottom line.  It is no shame I think to say we've tried everything, appealed as much as we can, investigated every single piece of information that came our way, no matter how trivial it may have seemed, and still nothing.   Some cases only get solved by accident, years later.  I fear this may be one of those cases actually.

There have been instances where corrupt policing without an open mind and with much prejudice has been known, such as in the Stephen Lawrence case, but where did that get the Police?  Absolutely nowhere and nothing solved.

And look how they treated Andrew Mitchell, and where has that got them -  absolutely nowhere and nothing solved.

So, what is there in Madeleine's case to be prejudiced against?  Why wouldn't they have an open mind in this case?  If SY suspected political involvement I think they would want to get their teeth into this case even more.  

Sadly it is only the odd few cases where the Police have let themselves down that get the most publicity, but by and large our Police are wonderful in this country.

I don't think they necessarily start out with an agenda. However we've all seen on crime dramas and in real life outside the police force how certain people want the story to be told a certain way and you are told to back off this guy, or these people - where I live, there is a big thing going on about all the people Texas has put to death or has on death row who didn't do it; primarily because the prosecutors offices want to get their man -that kind of thing happens a lot. here at least.

If the agenda of SY is to show that there were leads not followed by the PJ (because they were busy focusing on McCanns or for other reasons; you can't do EVERYTHING) and thus cast that investigation into doubt they can easily do so. The normal MO of an investigation is not to do a thorough dive into each and every person who could have been in the area. Nor does SY do that - otherwise why haven't they found all the missing kids and arrested all the pedos in the UK by now?

if PJ thinks this is SY's agenda then they can't forestall that by working together - handing SY over things that will show they were negligent the first time around? - but possibly by re opening the case due to "new" evidence.

meanwhile though, SY has unearthed that the Tanner sighting was not the abductor - not because the timeline was impossible - though it was - but because they have found the person and he is not a kidnapper. That's pretty big info. PJ never believed in that "thesis" and it turns out they were right. Interesting had this article above said that it is NOT the efit of the abductor initially promoted by TM but rather a later one done by their investigation using former top MI5 guys...

Who was it that promoted that bundleman thesis heavily, standing on the steps of the court waving the efit and dressed like a pretend policeman? Not the PJ. That was Clarrie. Those pics are in Kate's bewk. They are still, via the bewk, promoting the concept that this guy did the kidnapping; still misleading the investigation.

Annabel wrote:Pat Brown on twitter:



Encouraging news! SY say they and the PJ have a "different focus for their inquiries." If true, the PJ is focusing on the McCanns.

Maybe - but could it be that the SY guys are onto the Scottish pedo ring using the efit of Gerry and PJ is onto former workers at Ocean Club? That's the read I take on this.

The new squad would take advantage of European law to speed up cross-border inquiries in the bid to discover the truth about the disappearance of the three-year-old in Praia da Luz in 2007.


Discovering the truth is not the same as saying finding the kidnapper. They would have to reinterview the T 9 and maybe have done so already.

Kate mentions in the bewk that she lost friends over this; I'm wondering if Matt and Rachel, Rob and Jane are amongst those friends. Surely as SY has ruled out Matt's check, they will have a reason to do so.

Had he actually gone in and seen the child or even seen the door/window, it's a different story to the one that says he did no check - which SY is ruling his check out, so clearly they are doing so based on something. One hopes, upon an interview of himself.