Ukraine violence escalates

http://news.sky.com/story/1199558/ukraine-violence-continues-as-us-sanctions-loom


This all started because the President of the Ukraine changed his mind on joining the EU, on the advice of Putin .

It is escalating , as are violent protests in Russia....which would have been unheard of up til now.

Even China is showing signs of social unrest .

Perhaps there is a secret Organisation behind all this unrest and bloodshed, not to mention demolition of buildings etc ready to take over and rule the World.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25881563


This all started because Russia persuaded the President of Ukraine to opt out of joining the EU, the citizens are showing their disgust

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ukraine-protests-what-exactly-is-going-on-in-kiev-9083107.html



the situation has become untenable for the President to command the respect of his position, fires are on the increase, tyres burning etc

The Prime Minister has offered to resign to end the conflict, but the Protesters say it is the President who should resign.

http://news.sky.com/story/1213843/ukraine-attacks-continue-as-talks-break-down


The rioting has escalated and more deaths, what is it going to take to reach an agreement. When will the World come back to some kind of normality.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10649170/Ukraine-protests-Were-letting-Putin-win.html


Breaking News says 10 bodies on ground, Police firing at Protesters using live rounds, serious wounds are not being able to be treated.

http://news.sky.com/story/1215537/ukraine-protesters-remain-in-kiev-despite-deal


The Government has promised an early Election but the Protesters are not satisfied....tellingly, they have pulled down a Statue of Lenin.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26304842

LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE BACK TO SQUARE ONE......I think Putin might have had a hand in this , he wants to hold on to the Ukraine.

Timoshenko is being tipped as the next Prime Minister, confined to a wheelchair after injuries sustained while spending 3 years in Jail because of her Politics, the Ukrainians have great respect for her.

Yanukovich has fled, lots of luggage and boxes were seen being loaded onto a Helicopter late last night but there is no clue on his whereabouts. The Public are shocked at the extravagance in the Palace and he has no chance of being re-elected. One Reporter says Putin is annoyed about the turn of events. 'Russia is a Country, with the Ukraine it would be an Empire'...it was he who started all this by trying to get the Ukraine to cancel it's EU application.

http://news.sky.com/story/1216675/ukraine-new-government-deadline-looms

The deadline for appointing a new Government is today. The Russians are not happy , they have withheld the 21 billion $ they were going to lend the Ukraine , the EU, IMF, and US are expected to lend the money. In the Crimea and surrounding areas, Russian is spoken and the people there do not want to join the EU.

What Putin intends to do about The Ukraine I don't know, but he has a range of options all of which could be very dangerous. why we are talking about giving them a large wodge of money apart from our share of European aid, I have no idea. In the first place we can't afford it, we are in effect borrowing it at interest just to give it away, and that is the crass stupidity of our so called politicians. We can't look after our own adequately, but we can give billions away so that Cameron etc. can strut around the world stage pretending to be statesmen.

katertaif wrote:What Putin intends to do about The Ukraine I don't know, but he has a range of options all of which could be very dangerous. why we are talking about giving them a large wodge of money apart from our share of European aid, I have no idea. In the first place we can't afford it, we are in effect borrowing it at interest just to give it away, and that is the crass stupidity of our so called politicians. We can't look after our own adequately, but we can give billions away so that Cameron etc. can strut around the world stage pretending to be statesmen.

Hi katertaif....welcome to the Forum   

Putin was ready to lend money to Ukraine which is desperate as you know, but now with a new Government he has balked on the idea. the Ukraine is broke and the EU and USA , possibly Britain, will do all they can to stop Putin by lending money themselves. The fly in the ointment is the Crimea Area which speaks Russian and does not want to join the EU. The EU has enough problems and has no right to lend money donated by all it's Members , this is the biggest problem with the EU.



Apart from the dreaded Human Rights Bill the EU has become a Big Brother , dictating to all the other Members, without a vote, and I suspect more Countries are fed up and would like to leave. What started out as a Common Market has morphed into a Dictatorship.....where will it end.?

Hi there panda, sorry to have taken so long to reply. Yes, I agree Ukraine is desperate for money, and as you say initially Putin offered them quite a sum until they decided; or at least some of them decided to connect with Europe. I can see Putin's problem, if Ukraine were to eventually join the EU although I think it is sinking under it's own weight. He would lose a buffer to the west.

bearing in mind that a lot of the old USSR medium and short range rocket sites were in the Ukraine, and as far as I know still are, there could be a recipe for total chaos. Many of the Ukrainians will want to stay within the Russian sphere so we may see a lot more violence and death yet.

Panda wrote:Timoshenko is being tipped as the next Prime Minister, confined to a wheelchair after injuries sustained while spending 3 years in Jail because of her Politics, the Ukrainians have great respect for

don't think it was her politics that got her jailed but she's no better than the one who's just been couped.  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566299/Dont-fooled-angelic-looks-shes-ruthless-shes-corrupt-A-withering-portrait-Ukraines-saviour-EDWARD-LUCAS-Russia-expert-knows-well.html

Marky wrote:

Panda wrote:Timoshenko is being tipped as the next Prime Minister, confined to a wheelchair after injuries sustained while spending 3 years in Jail because of her Politics, the Ukrainians have great respect for

don't think it was her politics that got her jailed but she's no better than the one who's just been couped.  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566299/Dont-fooled-angelic-looks-shes-ruthless-shes-corrupt-A-withering-portrait-Ukraines-saviour-EDWARD-LUCAS-Russia-expert-knows-well.html

Hi Marky, I was wondering why you havn't been posting, hope all is well with you and yours.

As for Timoshenko, she doesn't want to be PM but would probably accept some role in a new Parliament. I'm not sure that Putin will give up his hold on the Ukraine and I can well see the Ukrainians divided on who to support. Putin has his own problems with Kiev and Obama has warned him not to intervene. I honestly have never known such a World Wide turmoil , it is like a Domino Effect, from Europe, the middle East. Far East, parts of Africa etc. Is there some dark force manipulating all this ???