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Post  interested Fri 25 Apr - 23:46

The McCanns are so encouraged by SY's fresh leads they will not seek a Certificate of Presumed Death after the seventh anniversary. They are instead stepping up their efforts to find Madeleine. Kate is quoted as saying: "We have to keep looking for her." I'd like to know just when they ever started looking for her. As far as I know they have only ever asked others to look, preferably after purchasing luggage tags, wristbands, etc. Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell is quoted as well in the Tracey Kandohla article from the Mirror (online).
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Madeleine McCann’s parents have chosen not to apply for a death certificate – despite being entitled to one on the seventh anniversary of her disappearance next weekend.

Kate and Gerry McCann are so encouraged by Scotland Yard’s fresh leads into her disappearance that they will not seek for a Certificate of Presumed Death which applies after that period.

And they are so convinced Madeleine is still alive they are instead stepping up their efforts to find their daughter.

Her gran Susan Healy told the Mirror yesterday: “She could be found.”

And Kate herself has previously said: “Madeleine is still alive until someone proves otherwise.”

A person can legally be declared dead after seven years under British law despite the absence of direct proof of the victim’s death. But friends of the couple, from Rothley, Leics, said that was the “last thing on their minds” as they prepare for next Saturday’s grim milestone.

Their hopes of finding Madeleine, who would now be 10, have been boosted in recent months by the progress of a British police probe.

Scotland Yard detectives are believed to be poised for a breakthrough after their own three-year review that sparked a fresh investigation.

New evidence has come to light of a sex attack on a British girl of 10 in Praia da Luz two years before Madeleine disappeared there. It is one of five new Algarve assaults uncovered by senior British detectives.

Madeleine vanished from her parents’ holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort on May 03, 2007, just nine days short of her fourth birthday.


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Despite no confirmed sightings of the youngster since that fateful night, Kate and Gerry cling to the hope she will be found alive.

Former GP Kate has said: “There is nothing to suggest Madeleine is not alive. We have to keep looking for her.

“We still have real hope. We all know cases of missing children, presumed dead and found alive years, sometimes decades, later.”

Kate has told how she had been “buoyed” by the efforts of Met Police and “relieved” the case had been reopened in Portugal.

Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said last night: “Kate and Gerry are fully aware of the declaration of death. They still believe Madeleine is alive and are not applying for a certificate presuming she is dead. That is the last thing on their minds.”

The Presumption of Death Act, due to be reformed in October following a campaign, is based on a seven-year rule.

A Ministry of Justice spokesman said: “If after seven years a person is still missing and there has been no sight or contact with them, they are presumed dead.

“The family can then apply for a ­Certificate of Presumed Death from a court which allows them to help resolve that person’s affairs or simply to help give them some closure.

“This can be done without a body being found. No-one can prepare for the heartache and confusion which arises when a loved one disappears with no trace.”
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Post  jeanmonroe Sat 26 Apr - 2:32

“This can be done without a body being found..............
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AND ALSO REMEMBER,

A charge of murder can also be brought...................without a body being found.
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Post  jinvta Sat 26 Apr - 4:30

Isn't Madeleine still a Ward of Court? And if so, wouldn't it be the Court that would apply for her death certificate and not Madeleine's parent's, who have effectively lost custody of her due to their negligence?
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Post  weissnicht Sat 26 Apr - 6:42

jinvta wrote:Isn't Madeleine still a Ward of Court? And if so, wouldn't it be the Court that would apply for her death certificate and not Madeleine's parent's, who have effectively lost custody of her due to their negligence?
Yes, I understand that being the case.
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Post  Guest Sat 26 Apr - 8:13

That "article" is just the usual pink puff that says absolutely nothing. The McCann#s can't apply for a Death Certificate anyway, even if they wanted to, so it's all just to fill column inches. I won't even say it's designed to get them some sympathy, as every time the MSM print another helping of this tripe, it repulses even more people. Maybe that's the point.
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Post  almostgothic Sat 26 Apr - 9:19

So ...... Tracey Kandohla (Rothley neighbour) and the Mirror (Clarrie's organ of choice) waste a whole sheet of low-grade bog roll just to tell their readers that the McCanns are not going to do something they wouldn't be allowed to do anyway.

Righty-ho then.
Now I must go and attend to my clock.
It just struck thirteen.
Again.
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Post  fred Sat 26 Apr - 9:28

It's pathetic how these 'non' stories are churned out year after year!!
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Post  almostgothic Sat 26 Apr - 9:39

I see Ma Healy is still 'on message'.

Her gran Susan Healy told the Mirror yesterday: “She could be found.”

Well, quite.
But I think she missed a word off the end of her sentence there ......
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Post  AnnaEsse Sat 26 Apr - 9:51

If Maddie were to be declared dead, no more online shoppe and no more money from holiday packs and good quality wristbands. Kate McCann may even have to get a job!
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Post  Panda Sat 26 Apr - 9:55

With all that is going on in the rest of the World , the Press has to write tripe like this. However, could it be a sly reference to the fact that Madeleine is probably dead????
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Post  jassi Sat 26 Apr - 10:16

AnnaEsse wrote:If Maddie were to be declared dead, no more online shoppe and no more money from holiday packs and good quality wristbands. Kate McCann may even have to get a job!


That's very true - the money tree would just wither and die.
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Post  almostgothic Sat 26 Apr - 10:17

AnnaEsse wrote:If Maddie were to be declared dead, no more online shoppe and no more money from holiday packs and good quality wristbands. Kate McCann may even have to get a job!

Oh heaven forfend!   

Anyway, there's not much call for bed wreckers round them there parts ......
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Post  Krisy22 Sat 26 Apr - 10:48

Surely with May around the corner another sighting is on the cards in some far flung place...just to keep the money rolling in.
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Post  Panda Sat 26 Apr - 11:07

Krisy22 wrote:Surely with May around the corner another sighting is on the cards in some far flung place...just to keep the money rolling in.

Hi Krisy 22, the fund was quite low on the last accounts £197,240 Balance at 31st March 2013 -Creditors £23,910. . They would have had to pay expenses for the Witnesses who went to Portugal , their Portugese Lawyer , their own fares and expenses going to Portugal twice, once for a meeting with the Portugese Police and SY so I doubt there is much left because Income was drying up.

It would not be in their interest either to claim Madeleine is dead because it ruins their case against Amaral, although I am convinced the case has been settled out of Court.

We shall see, somehow I  don't think there will be a Television programme this year  Maddie McCann's parents:"We won't apply for death certificate" - The Mirror 25346 
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Post  Guest Sat 26 Apr - 16:18

Panda wrote:
Krisy22 wrote:Surely with May around the corner another sighting is on the cards in some far flung place...just to keep the money rolling in.

Hi Krisy 22, the fund was quite low on the last accounts £197,240 Balance at 31st March 2013 -Creditors £23,910.   . They would have had to pay expenses for the Witnesses who went to Portugal , their Portugese Lawyer , their own fares and expenses going to Portugal twice, once for a meeting with the Portugese Police and SY so I doubt there is much left because Income was drying up.

It would not be in their interest either to claim Madeleine is dead because it ruins their case against Amaral, although I am convinced the case has been settled out of Court.

We shall see, somehow I  don't think there will be a Television programme this year  Maddie McCann's parents:"We won't apply for death certificate" - The Mirror 25346 

And also Dr Amaral's expenses, which were awarded against them when the book ban was overturned.

I also don't believe there has been an out of court settlement for the Libel trial. What incentive would Dr Amaral have to settle out of court?
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Post  jassi Sat 26 Apr - 16:35

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Krisy22 wrote:Surely with May around the corner another sighting is on the cards in some far flung place...just to keep the money rolling in.

Hi Krisy 22, the fund was quite low on the last accounts £197,240 Balance at 31st March 2013 -Creditors £23,910.   . They would have had to pay expenses for the Witnesses who went to Portugal , their Portugese Lawyer , their own fares and expenses going to Portugal twice, once for a meeting with the Portugese Police and SY so I doubt there is much left because Income was drying up.

It would not be in their interest either to claim Madeleine is dead because it ruins their case against Amaral, although I am convinced the case has been settled out of Court.

We shall see, somehow I  don't think there will be a Television programme this year  Maddie McCann's parents:"We won't apply for death certificate" - The Mirror 25346 

And also Dr Amaral's expenses, which were awarded against them when the book ban was overturned.

I also don't believe there has been an out of court settlement for the Libel trial.  What incentive would Dr Amaral have to settle out of court?

Might depend on how much the McCanns would be prepared to pay him just to shut up  Maddie McCann's parents:"We won't apply for death certificate" - The Mirror 294124 
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Post  kitti Sat 26 Apr - 16:37

Coincidence that we were only disgusting this a while back and now look..



Hasnt michaeil wright got a job.
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Post  Panda Sat 26 Apr - 16:56

Iris wrote:
Panda wrote:
Krisy22 wrote:Surely with May around the corner another sighting is on the cards in some far flung place...just to keep the money rolling in.

Hi Krisy 22, the fund was quite low on the last accounts £197,240 Balance at 31st March 2013 -Creditors £23,910.   . They would have had to pay expenses for the Witnesses who went to Portugal , their Portugese Lawyer , their own fares and expenses going to Portugal twice, once for a meeting with the Portugese Police and SY so I doubt there is much left because Income was drying up.

It would not be in their interest either to claim Madeleine is dead because it ruins their case against Amaral, although I am convinced the case has been settled out of Court.

We shall see, somehow I  don't think there will be a Television programme this year  Maddie McCann's parents:"We won't apply for death certificate" - The Mirror 25346 

And also Dr Amaral's expenses, which were awarded against them when the book ban was overturned.

I also don't believe there has been an out of court settlement for the Libel trial.  What incentive would Dr Amaral have to settle out of court?

Well we know he was broke and there was Euro 1 million , plus interest , sequestered. His claim that Madeleine died in 5a , while one of the Portugese final report theories, was not only one. The Report says, Madeleine could have been abducted, died in 5a and the other two theories i can't remember.
The Trial was meant to reopen for the closing statements on 7th January, no reason for the cancellation and now over 3 months has elapsed with still no Trial Date. Add to this the fact that even you showed us how well and relaxed Amaral looked and that he was discussing the case on T.V.

I remember a long way back the Portugese Prosecutor asked a Judge if there was sufficient info to go to Trial and the Judge said "show me the body".
The Judge trying this case could think the same.
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Post  Guest Sat 26 Apr - 18:56

Dr Amaral may be skint monetarily. But he is not starving, he has a good lawyer and a place to stay. His daughter clearly supports him and he has no fear of Tv studios, courts or even book signings and other public events
His reputation seems a great deal more important to him than mere money. I stand by my original opinion. Whatever the hpld ip in the trial is, it's not because Dr Amaral has settled out of court.
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Only three comments at this point - non favourable to the McCanns - looks like people who read "celebrity gossip" sites are either not interested or are "on" to the McCanns' fiction.
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Post  interested Sat 26 Apr - 20:45

I see where the Sunday Express will be publishing "Madeleine McCann: Sunday Express special investigation seven years on from disappearance". The article will be by James Murray who was accompanied by former SY detective Peter Bleksley when he travelled to Portugal and will reveal startling findings on Madeleine's disappearance. Well, at least the advance blurb mentions "disappearance" and not "abduction".
I'm bracing myself for the "startling" findings....I've lost track of how many imminent arrests we've been told about, paedophiles, dead junkies, owners of apartments, cleaners, burglars, etc. Sounds like the Sunday Express will wrap up the case.
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Post  Panda Sat 26 Apr - 23:48


Thanks Annabel

Wonder why all the press has picked up on the 7 year angle. This rule is mainly so Beneficiaries of a missing persons estate can not administer it until a reasonable time has elapsed for the missing person to show up. Now the Press know that Madeleine does not have an Estate, so here is the catch. If the McCanns had opted closure they are saying virtually that Madeleine is not alive so Amaral could not be sued, the Fund would be closed and we could  all go home. A Special Resolution was adopted last year by the Directors of NSU that the Company could diversify and be used for Seminars , making CD'S on how to trace missing persons , buy Properties etc and remain a Private Company. We won't know until the latest Accounts are made public at the end of the Year.

In fact, Madeleine is still a Ward of Court so the McCanns can't apply .
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Post  interested Sun 27 Apr - 0:07

I guess Clarence Mitchell, in his role of family spokesman, doesn't want to remind the general public that Madeleine is a Ward of the Court and therefore the McCanns cannot apply for a death certificate. After all this time the general public do not remember (if they ever did "know") that Madeleine has this designation and reminding people of it now would raise a lot of eyebrows. Far more acceptable that the McCanns be painted as never giving up hope that she will one day be returned to her loving family.
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