TROUBLE IN YEMEN

YEMENI TRIBESMEN HAVE ATTACKED HOUTHI POSITION IN IBB PROVINCE.

ALQAEDA HAVE ATTACKED A BORDER POST WITH SAUDI ARABIA.
FIGHTING REPORTED IN LAWDAR,HOUTHIS/TRIBESMEN???????????

Badboy wrote:ALQAEDA HAVE ATTACKED A BORDER POST WITH SAUDI ARABIA.
FIGHTING REPORTED IN LAWDAR,HOUTHIS/TRIBESMEN???????????

Looking at the map, I at first thought it might be some sort of attempt to gain control of the airport, but based on the fighting especially in Lawdar having gone on for years I tend to go back to the original theory that it is destabilisation they are after. getting the indigenous to do what they themselves have not yet the power to do.

Attacking Saudi Arabian installations, could again be a form of destabilisation although in their case it is difficult to see how. I'm not a great fan of the Saudi military as you know. I have seen them up close and personal to a degree. For instance in the first Gulf war, no one will ever convince me that it was a Saudi pilot who shot down that Iraqi MiG. They admit he had a US wingman, and I believe it was him. Arab states are in coalition with them, so at face value it would seem they have the muscle to completely overrun the Yemen in a matter of days

Then again I have said that the Yemeni tribesmen are among the fiercest, and most prone to take mortal offence in the world. so perhaps that is in fact what they want. for the Saudis and their allies to in effect occupy the place and leave a simmering resentment behind them. There are so many if's and but's in this.

ALQAEDA HAS OFFERED A REWARD FOR CAPTURE OR DEATH OF SALEH AND HOUTHIS WHILE HOUTHIS ARE FIGHTING STREET TO STREET IN ADEN.

iran has despatchedwarships TO THE AREA.

houthis have captured 12 out of 20 provinces, also taken ataq

Badboy wrote:houthis have captured 12 out of 20 provinces,  also taken ataq

Good evening Badboy.

So in spite of the airstrikes and regardless of the alleged 150,000 Saudi troops mobilised. Notwithstanding the coalition which, with the Saudis must be talking about 200,000 at the least, these Houthis continue to make gains. On top of the local tribesmen attacking them. I know Iran is backing them, and I understand that a clear breakdown of diplomacy with Iran is in no ones interest but the sheer scale of destruction and the suffering of innocents is horrendous.

Still they talk of aid and cease fires, all these people are interested in is destruction. Amy Muslim killed is a martyr, while any infidel is going to roast for eternity. Just what is it these people want to do?

Badboy wrote:YEMENI TRIBESMEN HAVE ATTACKED HOUTHI POSITION IN IBB PROVINCE.

Half the time or even most of the time they seem to be fighting amongst themselves. It seems to be a matter of who they hate most. It's the same in Yarmouk refugee camp. There were two major factions; one ostensibly fighting government forces, and one fighting them. Now, according to reports they have teamed up to fight IS. Meanwhile Innocent women and children are being Murdered, starved and brutalised. I say murdered because there really is no other way to describe it. The area is in addition being pounded into rubble.

Watched a documentary on Jihadi brides last night. It does appear that there are more extremists than was at first thought. One point that was strongly put was that the early girls who went to join IS may very well have done so with stars in their eyes believing they were doing the work of their God. There have since then been so many well published atrocities, from the wanton killing of captives to  forced prostitution, that the latest ones know full well what IS and must at least on one level be in sympathy with them. Part of the documentary also clearly showed the role of women in such a society. Not one to be wished on any woman.

FORGOT TO MENTION THAT PROGRAMME,DIDN'T SEE IT ABOUT JIHADI BRIDES.

IRAN HAS SAID THAT A GENOCIDE IS OCCURRING IN YEMEN OF HOUTHIS,THEY SEEM TO BE DOING ALRIGHT.

Badboy wrote:FORGOT TO MENTION THAT PROGRAMME,DIDN'T SEE IT ABOUT JIHADI BRIDES.

Good evening Badboy.

As I say I'm prepared to believe that in the early days, young girls heads could be turned by what they saw as the glamour of it. The reality is far different. One guy on the programme was looking for a 15 year old and intended to examine her teeth. I know what any of my girl friends in my youth would have told me, if I'd tried that on.

As they overran areas, these killers of IS forced the girls into wholesale prostitution. Obviously not marriage material now, so they are trying to get girls from the West to go over. Apparently succeeding quite well. Now though, the atrocities committed by these murdering merciless killers are well documented, and the Extreme Islamic attitude to women well known. So I can only assume that those who go are at the very least in sympathy with Baghdadi and his gang of cutthroats.

One on the documentary said she wanted to be the first western girl to behead an enemy soldier.

Whatever the ins and outs of it all there is a worrying factor un that there are more young women, and young men than was first thought. I'm also not convinced of the wisdom of just letting them come back "home". It seems to me a fifth column is slowly but surely being built up.

[quote="Badboy"]IRAN HAS SAID THAT A GENOCIDE IS OCCURRING IN YEMEN OF HOUTHIS,THEY SEEM TO BE DOING ALRIGHT.[/quote

This is the kind of florid rhetoric they invariably use. It's the same when they say they will defend their land, to the last drop of their blood and during the second Gulf war you may remember as the US armour was closing in, the one they called comical Ali made nightly statements such as they will burn in their tanks. Iran is backing the Houthis although to what extent is hard to say. As you say for a tribe or sect being wiped out they aren't doing too bad.

ALL THIS FIGHTING IS NOT GOING TO HELP YEMEN WHICH IS THE POOREST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD,THOUGHT IT WAS PROBABALY BANGLADESH,THEY COULD START A TOURIST INDUSTRY ETC ETC IF ONLY THEY COULD STOP FIGHTING.

Badboy wrote:ALL THIS FIGHTING IS NOT GOING TO HELP YEMEN WHICH IS THE POOREST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD,THOUGHT IT WAS PROBABALY BANGLADESH,THEY COULD START A TOURIST INDUSTRY ETC ETC IF ONLY THEY COULD STOP FIGHTING.

Good evening my friend.

I believe I have said before that you have a remarkable talent for seeing through to the heart of the problem. You certainly have hit the nail  squarely on the head this time. No one would pretend that tourism alone could balance the books, or solve any countries economic problems. Tourism could however go a heck of a long way towards that and if you take the spin offs from plain tourism, you may not be far off, especially so in countries like Bangladesh, and the Yemen. Unfortunately they have to stop fighting first, as you so rightly say.

Saudi Arabia for example is too petrodollar rich to need tourism, but the likes of the Yemen could benefit greatly. Their beaches, and coral reefs are very similar to The Saudi ones who may not need the money, but The Yemen most certainly does. Oman, which is fairly stable, westward looking (for the moment) and more relaxed about Islam does benefit greatly from tourism.

So all I can say to that is you are 100% right as usual (is it very lonely at the top) The men of violence however are totally unconcerned with that. Their aims are to destabilise; to kill infidels or Kuffars as they call us, and to eventually take over, and impose their own brand of a religion of peace? Unfortunately as we have already seen there are so many different sects and interpretations of the Qu'ran, which in parts is a very violent book anyway, that I suspect the fighting, and the innocents dying will never cease.

katertaif wrote:

Badboy wrote:ALL THIS FIGHTING IS NOT GOING TO HELP YEMEN WHICH IS THE POOREST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD,THOUGHT IT WAS PROBABALY BANGLADESH,THEY COULD START A TOURIST INDUSTRY ETC ETC IF ONLY THEY COULD STOP FIGHTING.

Good evening my friend.

I believe I have said before that you have a remarkable talent for seeing through to the heart of the problem. You certainly have hit the nail  squarely on the head this time. No one would pretend that tourism alone could balance the books, or solve any countries economic problems. Tourism could however go a heck of a long way towards that and if you take the spin offs from plain tourism, you may not be far off, especially so in countries like Bangladesh, and the Yemen. Unfortunately they have to stop fighting first, as you so rightly say.

Saudi Arabia for example is too petrodollar rich to need tourism, but the likes of the Yemen could benefit greatly. Their beaches, and coral reefs are very similar to The Saudi ones who may not need the money, but The Yemen most certainly does. Oman, which is fairly stable, westward looking (for the moment) and more relaxed about Islam does benefit greatly from tourism.

So all I can say to that is you are 100% right as usual (is it very lonely at the top) The men of violence however are totally unconcerned with that. Their aims are to destabilise; to kill infidels or Kuffars as they call us, and to eventually take over, and impose their own brand of a religion of peace? Unfortunately as we have already seen there are so many different sects and interpretations of the Qu'ran, which in parts is a very violent book anyway, that I suspect the fighting, and the innocents dying will never cease.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO PLACES ON THE MAINLAND WORTH VISITING/////////((HADRAMUT AND POSSIBLY RED SEA AREA AND THERE ARE DESTROYING BOTH OF THEM,TO PARAPHRASE AN AMERICAN JUDGE ABOUT YOU HAVE KILLED THE LAST TWO DEMOCATS IN THIS AREA.

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THERE ARE ONLY TWO PLACES ON THE MAINLAND WORTH VISITING/////////((HADRAMUT AND POSSIBLY RED SEA AREA AND THERE ARE DESTROYING BOTH OF THEM,TO PARAPHRASE AN AMERICAN JUDGE ABOUT YOU HAVE KILLED THE LAST TWO DEMOCATS IN THIS AREA.[/quote]

As I say, tourism alone could not by any stretch float a nation's economy even one as poor as the Yemen you have to ask first, why it is so poor. They have oil and natural gas. Not in the same quantities as their neighbours, and they are in decline now, but what happened to all the money they did generate over the years?

Of the two you mention, the Red Sea would be out for me. The nearest I got to it was the pier off the Corniche in Jeddah. My government wouldn't even go up to the railing. (I mean how can you get sea sick standing on a pier)

Even so, the benefits of a peaceful and stable government are enormous, but there are constant feuds between the tribes, and now virtually a full scale civil war, which with the Saudi led coalition, and Iran's involvement might escalate at any time.

IRONICALLY IF I TYPE IN YEMEN ON YAHOO NEWS,IT COMES UP WITH TEMEN HOTELS ETC.
SEPARATELY THERE HAVE BEEN CLASHES BETWEEN HOUTHI REBELS AND SAUDI TROOPS ON BORDER,500 HAVE DIED SO FAR IN THESE CLASHES.
60% OF YEMENI LIVE BELOW POVERTY LINE.

Badboy wrote:IRONICALLY IF I TYPE IN YEMEN ON YAHOO NEWS,IT COMES UP WITH TEMEN HOTELS ETC.
SEPARATELY THERE HAVE BEEN CLASHES BETWEEN HOUTHI REBELS AND SAUDI TROOPS ON BORDER,500 HAVE DIED SO FAR IN THESE CLASHES.
60% OF YEMENI LIVE BELOW POVERTY LINE.

Good evening old son

You have the same problem if you look at the hotels and the beachfront facilities in Saudi Arabia. Albeit for totally different reasons. all along the Corniche you have what can only be described as 5 star + hotels mostly empty. I've stayed in a couple of them waiting for onward travel the next day. Dry of course, but there are ways and means, once you know the system.

They also have theme parks, the absolute equivalent of any in the world, but the cartoon animals have no heads. that would be unislamic. It looks; to say the least peculiar to our eyes, but It's all relative.

I believe. The money they have collectively available, could; if used constructively literally make the deserts bloom. The money is there, the political and religious will is not.

THE WHITE WIDOW IS RECTUITING SUICIDE BOMBERS TO BOMB YEMENI AREAS.
PRESIDENT HAS APPOINTED HIS DEPUTY TO NEGOTIATE A POSSIBLE DEAL.

Badboy wrote:THE WHITE WIDOW IS RECTUITING SUICIDE BOMBERS TO BOMB YEMENI AREAS.
PRESIDENT HAS APPOINTED HIS DEPUTY TO NEGOTIATE A POSSIBLE DEAL.

Why is the White Widow not the first in the queue since she believes so strongly in such methods? Surely a guarantee of paradise but what then of what use would 72 virgins be to her?

Negotiation is I agree a cleft stick situation. Do you negotiate in order to save the lives of innocent women and children,, thus handing them a propaganda victory, "Hey look at us being recognised on the international stage" Or do you ignore them, and watch people die. They are martyred even if they detonate prematurely, being in the act of committing the deed. The ideal is to have the intelligence network to spot them, and take them out when they can only injure themselves, or better still other would be martyrs. Since even they would see that as bungling and not martyrdom.

AL QAEDA HAS TAKEN AN AIRPORT NEAR AL MUKALLA AS WELL AS A OIL REFINERY ETC.

AL QAEDA HAS SEIZED A MAJOR ARMS DEPOT NAR AL MUKALLA,GOD HELP EVERYONE.

Badboy wrote:AL QAEDA HAS SEIZED A MAJOR ARMS DEPOT NAR AL MUKALLA,GOD HELP EVERYONE.

As you say my friend, God help everyone. I have just been studying the map of the Yemen. It seems that al Queda is able to operate quite freely in something like a quarter to a third of the country. Even without the arms and the airport that is extremely bad news.

ISIS blew up two Shi'ite mosques the other day, and I see Katherine Zimmermann of the American Enterprise institute concludes that they are trying to stoke up the ever present thinly disguised permanent Sunni/Shi'ite war. I seem to remember that you and I reached that conclusion a few days ago. Nice to know someone agrees with us. even if they do take longer to get there.

Joking aside I agree the situation is getting more dangerous by the day. The excellence of our security services, and others around the world are keeping us safe at least for the moment and this is leading people in the west to think they have nothing to worry about. Oh it's only the Middle East again, they're unstable there anyway, always have been, nothing to worry about.

that is far from the truth. there are plans being laid almost daily to kill hundreds if not thousands of us "kuffars" They are being foiled for the moment, but for how long?

PRO-HADI FORCES HAVE SEIZED? AN AIRPORT FROM REBELS WHERE US DRONES TARGETING AL QAEDA WERE BASED.
GIGHTING ALSO REPORTED IN TAIZ AND DHALEH.

HOUTHIS HAVE LOSE TWO DISTRICTS IN TAIZ,FIGHTING CONTUINING IN DHALEA??
550 DEAD SO FAR.
SOME REFUGEES FLEEING TO SOMALIA,METHINKS