Case Files discussions

pm wrote:

eddie wrote:

pm wrote:Eddie

the information you need about smith family

night of 3 of May at 22h00m they saw a man in PDL, with a child on his arms, that cross with them walking in the direction of the beach
pm

22:00???? Isn't this the time Kate raised the alarm??? Now this doen't make sense agian!!

Kate raise the alarm later

that time is not known by PJ, because they have diferent statements about that also


and from the beach to OC, walking normaly, it only takes 5 minutes - people say this because i never tried!

hmmmm, i don;t know Paula...I was sure kate raised the alarm then...and wasn't Gerry at the table at 22:00hrs?? He was at the table when Kate went to check which was around 22:00hrs....

eddie wrote:

pm wrote:

eddie wrote:

pm wrote:Eddie

the information you need about smith family

night of 3 of May at 22h00m they saw a man in PDL, with a child on his arms, that cross with them walking in the direction of the beach
pm

22:00???? Isn't this the time Kate raised the alarm??? Now this doen't make sense agian!!

Kate raise the alarm later

that time is not known by PJ, because they have diferent statements about that also


and from the beach to OC, walking normaly, it only takes 5 minutes - people say this because i never tried!

hmmmm, i don;t know Paula...I was sure kate raised the alarm then...and wasn't Gerry at the table at 22:00hrs?? He was at the table when Kate went to check which was around 22:00hrs....

you are right

I will ask this better

eddie wrote:

pm wrote:Eddie

the information you need about smith family

night of 3 of May at 22h00m they saw a man in PDL, with a child on his arms, that cross with them walking in the direction of the beach
pm

22:00???? Isn't this the time Kate raised the alarm??? Now this doen't make sense agian!!

Amaral on the interview (TVI) thread.....speaks about the timing....its worth reading!!

It could have been later as Mrs Fenn said she heard the commotion at 10.30 right after the news finished.....it also took them ages to call the police so it could have been later!

pm wrote:
you are right

I will ask this better

JP: And before the time that was announced? Before 10 pm which is the time that was…

GA: The time is not known because the reconstitution was not carried out, which could be important in order to define the times and to verify if they could have attended all that vigilance from the parents, every 10 or every 5 minutes, so if they were having dinner and all of a sudden almost nobody dined, isn’t it. But it seems that only one plate went back, a steak that had to be warmed up. It was necessary to understand who it was that failed to eat that steak and what everyone else ate, how long the dinner lasted, how long the meals take to be confectioned, and all of those things in order to understand it all afterwards.
The reconstitution was not carried out and from there on it’s difficult to know at what time it could have happened. There is one piece of data in terms of accurate time that evening, it exists and it concerns the little girl, it’s the time at which she left the nursery.


Amaral interview

Kate:

Rec: 25 Apr 18.28 Mum&Dad
Dial: 26 Apr 12.20 Geetisha&Sac
Dial: 26 Apr 12.47 ?
Rec: 26 Apr 09.14 ?
Rec: 26 Apr 10.54 ?
Dial: 26 Apr 13.14 Gerry
Dial: 26 Apr 16.47 Kennedys
Dial: 26 Apr 16.53 Amanda Mob
Dial: 27 Apr 13.13 Laurels
Dial: 27 Apr 16.35 Parkers
Rec: 27 Apr 17.26 Gerry

Rec: 02 May 11.22 ?

Rec: 03 May 23.17 Gerry

Dial: 04 May 00.45 Mum&Dad
Rec: 04 May 01.02 ?
Rec: 04 May 02.39 Lynda and Mark
Dial: 04 May 02.27 ?
Dial: 04 May 03.09 ?
Rec: 04 May 03.29 Jon
Dial: 04 May 06.05 Amanda home
Rec: 04 May 07.48 ?
Dial: 04 May 08.31 Michelle&Jon
Dial: 04 May 08.31 Michelle Mob
Dial: 04 May 08.45 ?
Dial: 04 May 08.52 Jon Mob
Rec: 04 May 09.33 Michelle&Jon
Dial: 04 May 08.56 Nula
Rec: 04 May 09.33 Michelle@Jon
Rec: 04 May 09.45 Fiona&Richar
Rec: 04 May 10.06 ?
Dial: 04 May 10.20 Mum&Dad
Dial: 04 May 10.30 Fiona&Richar
Rec: 04 May 10.35 Geetisha Mob
Rec: 04 May 10.45 ?
Rec: 04 May 12.25 ?
Rec: 04 May 11.35 Anne&Michael
Dial: 04 May 12.16 901
Rec: 04 May 12.25 ?
Rec: 04 May 12.37 ?
Dial: 04 May 12.57 Gerry

Kate has a record of only one received call on her phone (name not listed) whilst on holiday before the disappearance.

One call FROM Gerry at 23.17

This list was made by the PJ on the 4th May sometime after 12.57


Oh yeah Gerry:

NOTHING on his phone before 00.03 on the 4th of May.

He erased his all his calls sometime between May 3rd 23.15 and May 4th 00.03

48 minutes when he was supposed to be searching for his child he decided to tidy up his phone.

http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=23910&start=0

Gerry (all 4th May)

Dial: 00.03 Janet Kenn
Dial: 00.04 Trish Cameron
Dial: 00.04 Janet Kenn
Dial: 00.19 Trish Cameron
Dial: 00.20 Phil McCann
Dial: 00.21 John McCann
Dial: 08.48 Angela Morado
Rec: 12.08 Private number
Rec: 12.55 Kate
Rec: 13.42 ?
Rec: 13.43 Private number
Rec: 13.46 Junior
Rec: 14.00 Phil McCann
Rec: 14.10 ?
Dial: 14.24 Brian Healy
Dial: 14.24 ?
Rec: 14.35 John McCann

That's it!

A composite list of calls made and received in chronological order.
(Have omitted those by Kate in April).



K..Rec: 02 May 11.22 ?
K..Rec: 03 May 23.17 Gerry
G..Dial: 00.03 Janet Kenn
G..Dial: 00.04 Trish Cameron
G..Dial: 00.04 Janet Kenn
G..Dial: 00.19 Trish Cameron
G..Dial: 00.20 Phil McCann
G..Dial: 00.21 John McCann
K..Dial: 04 May 00.45 Mum&Dad
K..Rec: 04 May 01.02 ?
K..Rec: 04 May 02.39 Lynda and Mark
K..Dial: 04 May 02.27 ?
K..Dial: 04 May 03.09 ?
K..Rec: 04 May 03.29 Jon
K..Dial: 04 May 06.05 Amanda home
K..Rec: 04 May 07.48 ?
K..Dial: 04 May 08.31 Michelle&Jon
K..Dial: 04 May 08.31 Michelle Mob
K..Dial: 04 May 08.45 ?
G..Dial: 08.48 Angela Morado
K..Dial: 04 May 08.52 Jon Mob
K..Rec: 04 May 09.33 Michelle&Jon
K..Dial: 04 May 08.56 Nula
K..Rec: 04 May 09.33 Michelle@Jon
K..Rec: 04 May 09.45 Fiona&Richar
K..Rec: 04 May 10.06 ?
K..Dial: 04 May 10.20 Mum&Dad
K..Dial: 04 May 10.30 Fiona&Richar
K..Rec: 04 May 10.35 Geetisha Mob
K..Rec: 04 May 10.45 ?
G..Rec: 12.08 Private number
K..Rec: 04 May 12.25 ?
K..Rec: 04 May 11.35 Anne&Michael
K..Dial: 04 May 12.16 901
K..Rec: 04 May 12.25 ?
K..Rec: 04 May 12.37 ?
G..Rec: 12.55 Kate
K..Dial: 04 May 12.57 Gerry
G..Rec: 13.42 ?
G..Rec: 13.43 Private number
G..Rec: 13.46 Junior
G..Rec: 14.00 Phil McCann
G..Rec: 14.10 ?
G..Dial: 14.24 Brian Healy
G..Dial: 14.24 ?
G..Rec: 14.35 John McCann

I thought K&G stayed in the apartment and didnt look, so why is G calling K at 23.17?

Angela Morado is a consulate official btw

Melanie wrote:I thought K&G stayed in the apartment and didnt look, so why is G calling K at 23.17?

I thought he went out to a bar but i dont remember the details.

Melanie wrote:Angela Morado is a consulate official btw

Are you kidding?

Coconut wrote:

Melanie wrote:Angela Morado is a consulate official btw

Are you kidding?

no she is in portmao?

Melanie wrote:

Coconut wrote:

Melanie wrote:Angela Morado is a consulate official btw

Are you kidding?

no she is in portmao?

You mean she was living there when they called her?

Coconut wrote:

Melanie wrote:

Coconut wrote:

Melanie wrote:Angela Morado is a consulate official btw

Are you kidding?

no she is in portmao?

You mean she was living there when they called her?

http://ukinportugal.fco.gov.uk/en/our-offices-in-portugal/consular-offices/algarve


Algarve

Welcome to the British Consulate in Portimão

Contact Details:
British Consul: Paul Rodwell
British Vice Consul: Angela Morado


Largo Francisco A Mauricio, 7-1º
8500-355 Portimão

See our location in Google maps

Tel.: 00351 282 490 750
Fax: 00351 282 490 758

Email: bc.portimao@netcabo.pt

K..Rec: 02 May 11.22 ?
K..Rec: 03 May 23.17 Gerry
G..Dial: 00.03 Janet Kenn
G..Dial: 00.04 Trish Cameron
G..Dial: 00.04 Janet Kenn
G..Dial: 00.19 Trish Cameron
G..Dial: 00.20 Phil McCann
G..Dial: 00.21 John McCann
K..Dial: 04 May 00.45 Mum&Dad


Wonder why Kate took so long to call her parents?

Coconut wrote:K..Rec: 02 May 11.22 ?
K..Rec: 03 May 23.17 Gerry
G..Dial: 00.03 Janet Kenn
G..Dial: 00.04 Trish Cameron
G..Dial: 00.04 Janet Kenn
G..Dial: 00.19 Trish Cameron
G..Dial: 00.20 Phil McCann
G..Dial: 00.21 John McCann
K..Dial: 04 May 00.45 Mum&Dad


Wonder why Kate took so long to call her parents?

Not only that it looks like she was just dialing and not talking? I mean calling trish at the same time as Janet kennedy?

Melanie wrote:

Coconut wrote:K..Rec: 02 May 11.22 ?
K..Rec: 03 May 23.17 Gerry
G..Dial: 00.03 Janet Kenn
G..Dial: 00.04 Trish Cameron
G..Dial: 00.04 Janet Kenn
G..Dial: 00.19 Trish Cameron
G..Dial: 00.20 Phil McCann
G..Dial: 00.21 John McCann
K..Dial: 04 May 00.45 Mum&Dad


Wonder why Kate took so long to call her parents?

Not only that it looks like she was just dialing and not talking? I mean calling trish at the same time as Janet kennedy?

That cant be right.

Coconut wrote:

Melanie wrote:

Coconut wrote:K..Rec: 02 May 11.22 ?
K..Rec: 03 May 23.17 Gerry
G..Dial: 00.03 Janet Kenn
G..Dial: 00.04 Trish Cameron
G..Dial: 00.04 Janet Kenn
G..Dial: 00.19 Trish Cameron
G..Dial: 00.20 Phil McCann
G..Dial: 00.21 John McCann
K..Dial: 04 May 00.45 Mum&Dad


Wonder why Kate took so long to call her parents?

Not only that it looks like she was just dialing and not talking? I mean calling trish at the same time as Janet kennedy?

That cant be right.

If your daughter was missing you spend longer that less than a minute on the fone telling your relatives? I mean they would be asking well where were you when she went missing etc

IMHO it looks staged. I remember when my daughter was in her early teens with a mobile fone she used to just dial people and then say 4 words and then hang up or just dial hoping you call her back, she was 13 at the time.

Coconut wrote:

Melanie wrote:I thought K&G stayed in the apartment and didnt look, so why is G calling K at 23.17?

I thought he went out to a bar but i dont remember the details.

http://transfattyacid.blogspot.com/200...memes.html

According to this, a resident in PDL saw Gerry McCann in a bar around midnight of the 3rd May, with John Hill, the manager of the holiday complex.

Dial: 26 Apr 16.53 Amanda Mob

Dial: 04 May 06.05 Amanda home





Amanda Hart registered this domain 5 days before Madeleine went missing. It's alleged both she and Diane Lazarus were then invited across to Portugal by friends of the McCanns.
Amanda Hart alleges she too had a child taken away from her at a very early age:

https://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/blog-articles-opinions-from-anti-s-f17/amber-connections-t862.htm?highlight=amber

Ambersuz wrote:

pm wrote:
you are right

I will ask this better

JP: And before the time that was announced? Before 10 pm which is the time that was…

GA: The time is not known because the reconstitution was not carried out, which could be important in order to define the times and to verify if they could have attended all that vigilance from the parents, every 10 or every 5 minutes, so if they were having dinner and all of a sudden almost nobody dined, isn’t it. But it seems that only one plate went back, a steak that had to be warmed up. It was necessary to understand who it was that failed to eat that steak and what everyone else ate, how long the dinner lasted, how long the meals take to be confectioned, and all of those things in order to understand it all afterwards.
The reconstitution was not carried out and from there on it’s difficult to know at what time it could have happened. There is one piece of data in terms of accurate time that evening, it exists and it concerns the little girl, it’s the time at which she left the nursery.


Amaral interview

I did read the whole thing Amber, just didn't take it all in (there was ALOT there!)

I still was under the impression, over and over, it has been implied, that the alarm was raised 'at about 10pm'

I do not think this was Gerry....i need more convincing.

eddie wrote:

Ambersuz wrote:

pm wrote:
you are right

I will ask this better

JP: And before the time that was announced? Before 10 pm which is the time that was…

GA: The time is not known because the reconstitution was not carried out, which could be important in order to define the times and to verify if they could have attended all that vigilance from the parents, every 10 or every 5 minutes, so if they were having dinner and all of a sudden almost nobody dined, isn’t it. But it seems that only one plate went back, a steak that had to be warmed up. It was necessary to understand who it was that failed to eat that steak and what everyone else ate, how long the dinner lasted, how long the meals take to be confectioned, and all of those things in order to understand it all afterwards.
The reconstitution was not carried out and from there on it’s difficult to know at what time it could have happened. There is one piece of data in terms of accurate time that evening, it exists and it concerns the little girl, it’s the time at which she left the nursery.


Amaral interview

I did read the whole thing Amber, just didn't take it all in (there was ALOT there!)

I still was under the impression, over and over, it has been implied, that the alarm was raised 'at about 10pm'

I do not think this was Gerry....i need more convincing.

Yes you are right...we were all led to believe this (10pm) time as we were also told that it was an abduction and that the shutters were tampered with....

But we know for a fact theat Fenn says she never heard anything (from the apartment above) until 10.30 after the news just ended on her tv and thats how she knows it was 10.30......also the police were not called for 40 minutes which is also a fact!

So this timing could be wrong like most of the other *facts* the McCanns put out!

Dont forget all the timing the police have is what the McCanns and their friends have told them and thats all been inconsistant.....so Smith could have seen Gerry and also lets not forget their tore up Maddies book to get this down on paper before the police got there.....

Maybe this was to get their alibis in place! Who knows maybe Gerry knew he'd been seen by Smith and co at the time so they worked it out last minute to change the timing!

pm wrote:in Gerry's official statement to the PJ he states he had already been to Portugal in 1994. Thus, all we have heard about how they didn't know anyone, didn't know the terraine might not be quite as we were being told.

How come the journalists didn't pick up on this and try to find out where he stayed, what he did, and who he met? Might make for very interesting info...

These 2 are globe trotters and then they took money from the fund to pay their mortgage?

Ambersuz wrote:

eddie wrote:

Ambersuz wrote:

pm wrote:
you are right

I will ask this better

JP: And before the time that was announced? Before 10 pm which is the time that was…

GA: The time is not known because the reconstitution was not carried out, which could be important in order to define the times and to verify if they could have attended all that vigilance from the parents, every 10 or every 5 minutes, so if they were having dinner and all of a sudden almost nobody dined, isn’t it. But it seems that only one plate went back, a steak that had to be warmed up. It was necessary to understand who it was that failed to eat that steak and what everyone else ate, how long the dinner lasted, how long the meals take to be confectioned, and all of those things in order to understand it all afterwards.
The reconstitution was not carried out and from there on it’s difficult to know at what time it could have happened. There is one piece of data in terms of accurate time that evening, it exists and it concerns the little girl, it’s the time at which she left the nursery.


Amaral interview

I did read the whole thing Amber, just didn't take it all in (there was ALOT there!)

I still was under the impression, over and over, it has been implied, that the alarm was raised 'at about 10pm'

I do not think this was Gerry....i need more convincing.

Yes you are right...we were all led to believe this (10pm) time as we were also told that it was an abduction and that the shutters were tampered with....

But we know for a fact theat Fenn says she never heard anything (from the apartment above) until 10.30 after the news just ended on her tv and thats how she knows it was 10.30......also the police were not called for 40 minutes which is also a fact!

So this timing could be wrong like most of the other *facts* the McCanns put out!

Dont forget all the timing the police have is what the McCanns and their friends have told them and thats all been inconsistant.....so Smith could have seen Gerry and also lets not forget their tore up Maddies book to get this down on paper before the police got there.....

Maybe this was to get their alibis in place! Who knows maybe Gerry knew he'd been seen by Smith and co at the time so they worked it out last minute to change the timing!

ok ok lol i am nearly convinced!
I just thought it was a definite that it was 10pm that kate raised the alarm...

eddie wrote:

Ambersuz wrote:

eddie wrote:

Ambersuz wrote:

pm wrote:
you are right

I will ask this better

JP: And before the time that was announced? Before 10 pm which is the time that was…

GA: The time is not known because the reconstitution was not carried out, which could be important in order to define the times and to verify if they could have attended all that vigilance from the parents, every 10 or every 5 minutes, so if they were having dinner and all of a sudden almost nobody dined, isn’t it. But it seems that only one plate went back, a steak that had to be warmed up. It was necessary to understand who it was that failed to eat that steak and what everyone else ate, how long the dinner lasted, how long the meals take to be confectioned, and all of those things in order to understand it all afterwards.
The reconstitution was not carried out and from there on it’s difficult to know at what time it could have happened. There is one piece of data in terms of accurate time that evening, it exists and it concerns the little girl, it’s the time at which she left the nursery.


Amaral interview

I did read the whole thing Amber, just didn't take it all in (there was ALOT there!)

I still was under the impression, over and over, it has been implied, that the alarm was raised 'at about 10pm'

I do not think this was Gerry....i need more convincing.

Yes you are right...we were all led to believe this (10pm) time as we were also told that it was an abduction and that the shutters were tampered with....

But we know for a fact theat Fenn says she never heard anything (from the apartment above) until 10.30 after the news just ended on her tv and thats how she knows it was 10.30......also the police were not called for 40 minutes which is also a fact!

So this timing could be wrong like most of the other *facts* the McCanns put out!

Dont forget all the timing the police have is what the McCanns and their friends have told them and thats all been inconsistant.....so Smith could have seen Gerry and also lets not forget their tore up Maddies book to get this down on paper before the police got there.....

Maybe this was to get their alibis in place! Who knows maybe Gerry knew he'd been seen by Smith and co at the time so they worked it out last minute to change the timing!

ok ok lol i am nearly convinced!
I just thought it was a definite that it was 10pm that kate raised the alarm...

What about staff at the Tapas Restaurant - wouldn't they be able to confirm the time as there would've been a bit of a commotion going on wouldn't there? If it was later or earlier than 10pm surely this would have been picked up??