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Keela Mon 26 Oct - 11:53
If they have now decided that there is a possibility of her being dead, why did they go to the trouble of getting those T shirts printed for handing out at the Everton/Benfica game? Is it now all about wasting even more money so that the pot is well and truly empty. Why if they admit she may be dead do they persist on asking people to look out for her? Are they asking us to look for a walking corpse?
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Guest Mon 26 Oct - 11:57
They are playing on the word ''evidence'' Sasha ,so as long as they can ensure no evidence comes to light they are safe and can keep claiming she is alive , that how I see what their doing ! 
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Lilemor Mon 26 Oct - 12:14
Lots of highly indicative evidence seems not to count for them. Hmmmmmmmmm.....But the aspect that Hewlett has been in Luz must be a different thing for them, really. He needs to be eliminated from their private investigation. What about the McCanns themselves. Have they ever been eliminated from the official investigation???? Did the McCanns let themselves eliminate???? But they need to eliminate others.
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Again "stolen" from another forum with continuing permission of the author.
Hope there will be justice for all who seek justice for "our" little Madeleine,
who most probably already is in Heaven.
That is the only comfort we have.
But justice has to be done.
EXCLUSIVE to xxxxxxxxx
By Dr Martin Roberts
24 October 2009
THE PYJAMA GAME
The progressive improvement of Jane Tanner's memory, and the concomitant evolution of her eye witness account of Madeleine McCann's hypothesized abduction, have been widely discussed already. In her witness statement taken on 4 May, 2007, Jane Tanner 'reports having seen a man carrying a child, with a hurried walk, it being this detail together with the fact that the child dressed in pyjamas, without being wrapped up in a blanket, that caught her attention. The child appeared to be older than a baby. She was barefoot and was wearing what appeared to be cotton pyjamas of a light colour (possibly white or light pink). She is not certain, but has the impression a design on the pyjamas, possibly a floral pattern, but she is not certain.'
Fundamentally, the more diffuse her recollection of any blanket (none were said to be missing from apartment 5A at the time), the more precise becomes the description of pyjamas.
For a week's holiday in self-catering accommodation (dining out optional) one would surely 'travel light' - one week, one pair of pyjamas each; there are laundry facilities after all, so you can quickly take care of unexpected mishaps such as 'tea' stains, especially in a warm climate conducive to quick drying.
So it is then, that we read an account of understandable parsimony in the sharing of resources while abroad:
'As the family waited fearfully for news, they faced the agonising reality of trying to explain to their toddler twins why their big sister was no longer there.
"That was terrible for them," says John McCann, Mr McCann's elder brother, who has also travelled to Portugal to help search for his niece.
"Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas and the baby said: 'Maddy's jammies. Where is Maddy?' But she is too young to understand. And how do you explain? All we know is that Madeleine needs her family. She loves us, we love her. It is time for her to come home."' (Sydney Morning Herald, 15 May, 2007).
Thus, in an article published twelve days after the announcement of Madeleine's disappearance, John McCann, speaking in the past tense, informs us that shortly after the little girl went missing, 'Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas.'
How was this possible? Madeleine had been wearing her pyjamas when she was carried off! Amelie was not dressed in Madeleine's spare set. There wasn't one. Had there been they would have been advertised as such for the benefit of the BBC's Crimewatch audience on 4 June, 2007, as well as to the Berlin press pack two days later. Brandishing a 'slightly smaller' edition belonging to Amelie should not have been necessary ('Smiling wanly, Mrs McCann looked down at the pyjamas in her lap and added:
"These are virtually identical, but these are little bit smaller because they are Amelie's."') (Daily Mail, 5 June, 2007).
And if Amelie possessed her own pyjamas 'virtually identical' to those of Madeleine, why on earth should Kate have dressed her in her sister's version of the same, spare set or no? The blatant contradictions here suggest either ghoulishly morbid behaviour on Kate McCann's part or a devastating hole in the McCann dyke.
For Amelie to have worn Madeleine's pyjamas within days of her elder sister's being 'taken' there can be only one explanation; that her pyjamas had, as if by magic, re-appeared.
But we grown-ups do not 'do magic.' Taken together with the subsequent disappearance of Madeleine's real comforter, her pink blanket, the conclusion this migration of clothing and bedding invites is obvious; as obvious as it was to those investigating the case originally, including Goncalo Amaral, and Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida, who saw fit to sign off on the following:
"From all that has been exposed, it results from the file that:
a) The minor Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, on the evening/night of the 3rd of May 2007;
b) an abduction was simulated;
c) in order to render the child's death before 10 p.m. impossible, a situation of checking on the McCann couple’s children, while they slept, was made up;
d) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the concealment of the cadaver of their daughter, Madeleine McCann;
e) at this moment in time, there seem to be no strong indications yet that the child's death was not the result of a tragic accident;
f) from all that has been established up to this moment, everything indicates that the McCann couple, in auto defence, does not want to hand over the cadaver immediately and voluntarily, and that there is a strong possibility that it was moved from its initial location. This situation may raise questions concerning the circumstances under which the child’s death occurred."
(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 2601)
Now when commentators speak of this case as being 'shrouded in mystery,' they little realise perhaps, quite how appropriate an expression this is.
BEAM ME UP SCOTTY
Or how even gold/brown Nissan cars can simply 'disappear off the radar'
Excerpt from Jane Tanner's Rogatory interview on 8 April, 2008:
4078: "And again I am going to ask about cars"
Jane Tanner: "Yeah"
4078: "Were there any? Did you notice any cars around?"
Jane Tanner: "There were cars around but, phew... because you've often got them, say, sort of down this bit here. But I can’t remember what they were or I didn't notice anything that looked odd, you know, no car that seemed to be standing out from anything else, so..."
4078: "No?"
Jane Tanner: "No"
4078: "So you didn't notice any car headlights or noises from cars?"
Jane Tanner: "No, no, because I think, you know, if I'd heard sort of a car screech off quickly at that point, I probably would have... would have taken notice, I think"
THICK AS THIEVES
'In September 2003, the McCanns and their friends Matthew Oldfield, Rachael Mampilly, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner spent a week in Umbria in Italy, where they went to attend David and Fiona Payne's wedding.' (The Forbidden Investigation)
This does make interesting reading doesn't it?
Why would a mon dress a younger sibling in the pyjames worn by her now missing daughter? Wouldn't it carry her scent on it? something she would treasure till her daughter who as we are reminded daily is alive and not seriously harmed>
The only reason she would let another child wear the clothes is if she knew the child was never coming back and if she had no maternal bond with the child in the first place.
Also if it was Madeleines clothes was she wearing them on the night she 'vanished'?if so how did they magically re-appear after she was wearing them when she vanished ? how did they get them back? Did they find her and leave her with the abductor? did they find her body remove the clothing and conceal it? was she removed naked ? if so that contradicts tanners statement ! would the pyjamas have cadaverine on them? also what happened to her blanket? so many questions
Hope there will be justice for all who seek justice for "our" little Madeleine,
who most probably already is in Heaven.
That is the only comfort we have.
But justice has to be done.
EXCLUSIVE to xxxxxxxxx
By Dr Martin Roberts
24 October 2009
THE PYJAMA GAME
The progressive improvement of Jane Tanner's memory, and the concomitant evolution of her eye witness account of Madeleine McCann's hypothesized abduction, have been widely discussed already. In her witness statement taken on 4 May, 2007, Jane Tanner 'reports having seen a man carrying a child, with a hurried walk, it being this detail together with the fact that the child dressed in pyjamas, without being wrapped up in a blanket, that caught her attention. The child appeared to be older than a baby. She was barefoot and was wearing what appeared to be cotton pyjamas of a light colour (possibly white or light pink). She is not certain, but has the impression a design on the pyjamas, possibly a floral pattern, but she is not certain.'
Fundamentally, the more diffuse her recollection of any blanket (none were said to be missing from apartment 5A at the time), the more precise becomes the description of pyjamas.
For a week's holiday in self-catering accommodation (dining out optional) one would surely 'travel light' - one week, one pair of pyjamas each; there are laundry facilities after all, so you can quickly take care of unexpected mishaps such as 'tea' stains, especially in a warm climate conducive to quick drying.
So it is then, that we read an account of understandable parsimony in the sharing of resources while abroad:
'As the family waited fearfully for news, they faced the agonising reality of trying to explain to their toddler twins why their big sister was no longer there.
"That was terrible for them," says John McCann, Mr McCann's elder brother, who has also travelled to Portugal to help search for his niece.
"Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas and the baby said: 'Maddy's jammies. Where is Maddy?' But she is too young to understand. And how do you explain? All we know is that Madeleine needs her family. She loves us, we love her. It is time for her to come home."' (Sydney Morning Herald, 15 May, 2007).
Thus, in an article published twelve days after the announcement of Madeleine's disappearance, John McCann, speaking in the past tense, informs us that shortly after the little girl went missing, 'Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas.'
How was this possible? Madeleine had been wearing her pyjamas when she was carried off! Amelie was not dressed in Madeleine's spare set. There wasn't one. Had there been they would have been advertised as such for the benefit of the BBC's Crimewatch audience on 4 June, 2007, as well as to the Berlin press pack two days later. Brandishing a 'slightly smaller' edition belonging to Amelie should not have been necessary ('Smiling wanly, Mrs McCann looked down at the pyjamas in her lap and added:
"These are virtually identical, but these are little bit smaller because they are Amelie's."') (Daily Mail, 5 June, 2007).
And if Amelie possessed her own pyjamas 'virtually identical' to those of Madeleine, why on earth should Kate have dressed her in her sister's version of the same, spare set or no? The blatant contradictions here suggest either ghoulishly morbid behaviour on Kate McCann's part or a devastating hole in the McCann dyke.
For Amelie to have worn Madeleine's pyjamas within days of her elder sister's being 'taken' there can be only one explanation; that her pyjamas had, as if by magic, re-appeared.
But we grown-ups do not 'do magic.' Taken together with the subsequent disappearance of Madeleine's real comforter, her pink blanket, the conclusion this migration of clothing and bedding invites is obvious; as obvious as it was to those investigating the case originally, including Goncalo Amaral, and Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida, who saw fit to sign off on the following:
"From all that has been exposed, it results from the file that:
a) The minor Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, on the evening/night of the 3rd of May 2007;
b) an abduction was simulated;
c) in order to render the child's death before 10 p.m. impossible, a situation of checking on the McCann couple’s children, while they slept, was made up;
d) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the concealment of the cadaver of their daughter, Madeleine McCann;
e) at this moment in time, there seem to be no strong indications yet that the child's death was not the result of a tragic accident;
f) from all that has been established up to this moment, everything indicates that the McCann couple, in auto defence, does not want to hand over the cadaver immediately and voluntarily, and that there is a strong possibility that it was moved from its initial location. This situation may raise questions concerning the circumstances under which the child’s death occurred."
(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 2601)
Now when commentators speak of this case as being 'shrouded in mystery,' they little realise perhaps, quite how appropriate an expression this is.
BEAM ME UP SCOTTY
Or how even gold/brown Nissan cars can simply 'disappear off the radar'
Excerpt from Jane Tanner's Rogatory interview on 8 April, 2008:
4078: "And again I am going to ask about cars"
Jane Tanner: "Yeah"
4078: "Were there any? Did you notice any cars around?"
Jane Tanner: "There were cars around but, phew... because you've often got them, say, sort of down this bit here. But I can’t remember what they were or I didn't notice anything that looked odd, you know, no car that seemed to be standing out from anything else, so..."
4078: "No?"
Jane Tanner: "No"
4078: "So you didn't notice any car headlights or noises from cars?"
Jane Tanner: "No, no, because I think, you know, if I'd heard sort of a car screech off quickly at that point, I probably would have... would have taken notice, I think"
THICK AS THIEVES
'In September 2003, the McCanns and their friends Matthew Oldfield, Rachael Mampilly, Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner spent a week in Umbria in Italy, where they went to attend David and Fiona Payne's wedding.' (The Forbidden Investigation)
This does make interesting reading doesn't it?
Why would a mon dress a younger sibling in the pyjames worn by her now missing daughter? Wouldn't it carry her scent on it? something she would treasure till her daughter who as we are reminded daily is alive and not seriously harmed>
The only reason she would let another child wear the clothes is if she knew the child was never coming back and if she had no maternal bond with the child in the first place.
Also if it was Madeleines clothes was she wearing them on the night she 'vanished'?if so how did they magically re-appear after she was wearing them when she vanished ? how did they get them back? Did they find her and leave her with the abductor? did they find her body remove the clothing and conceal it? was she removed naked ? if so that contradicts tanners statement ! would the pyjamas have cadaverine on them? also what happened to her blanket? so many questions
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Guest Mon 26 Oct - 13:13
Sorry, posted it twice, by accident, maybe Ambersusz could you be so kind to delete one?
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Guest Mon 26 Oct - 19:36
No worries. Donedinah wrote:Sorry, posted it twice, by accident, maybe Ambersusz could you be so kind to delete one?
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lynn Mon 26 Oct - 20:22
Why do they now want to admit Maddie may be dead! Gerry's comment re she would not be harmed, etc. was so cold and calculating that there was almost an admission they knew something. All we need now is to know where she is.
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malena stool Mon 26 Oct - 20:46
I doubt we will ever know their reasoning Lynn, my thoughts are this is a preparation to wind down the search. They know that they cannot keep on with the ludicrous storyline of their belief Madeleine is out there somewhere and their determination to find her.
They have after all left no stone unturned, .......... and funds must be running low.
They have after all left no stone unturned, .......... and funds must be running low.
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MaryB Mon 26 Oct - 21:01
This pyjama question is very important. That is did two identical sets exist but in different sizes. As we have been told. Or did only one set exist. Which would shed a very different light on things. And what about the blanket. That's another important item.
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malena stool wrote:I doubt we will ever know their reasoning Lynn, my thoughts are this is a preparation to wind down the search. They know that they cannot keep on with the ludicrous storyline of their belief Madeleine is out there somewhere and their determination to find her.
They have after all left no stone unturned, .......... and funds must be running low.
Didn't Mitchell say that the Fund would be dry by the end of the year ?
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malena stool Mon 26 Oct - 21:13
To be honest LA I've lost track of just what Mitchell has said, his arrogant verbal slurry is a turn off, but it would have been good groundwork to say something along those lines ready to pull the plug on the search.Laffin Assasin wrote:malena stool wrote:I doubt we will ever know their reasoning Lynn, my thoughts are this is a preparation to wind down the search. They know that they cannot keep on with the ludicrous storyline of their belief Madeleine is out there somewhere and their determination to find her.
They have after all left no stone unturned, .......... and funds must be running low.
Didn't Mitchell say that the Fund would be dry by the end of the year ?
No doubt there will also be a well documented account of where every last penny of the fund has been spent coming out shortly.
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Guest Mon 26 Oct - 21:16
Well, there was a "thank you for the latest donations" letter on the giving basket in Tesco's in one of the Liverpool stores (Woolton) - which appeared only last Saturday
https://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/gerry-s-blogs-the-fund-donations-f9/fund-info-compilation-and-news-articles-t5279-15.htm#124521
There's also one in the Allerton Tesco's - but I've not seen any in other local supermarkets (Sainsbury or Asda).
https://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/gerry-s-blogs-the-fund-donations-f9/fund-info-compilation-and-news-articles-t5279-15.htm#124521
There's also one in the Allerton Tesco's - but I've not seen any in other local supermarkets (Sainsbury or Asda).
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malena stool Mon 26 Oct - 21:28
Photon wrote:Well, there was a "thank you for the latest donations" letter on the giving basket in Tesco's in one of the Liverpool stores (Woolton) - which appeared only last Saturday
https://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/gerry-s-blogs-the-fund-donations-f9/fund-info-compilation-and-news-articles-t5279-15.htm#124521
There's also one in the Allerton Tesco's - but I've not seen any in other local supermarkets (Sainsbury or Asda).
I know it has been said before by others but I do feel sorry for Ma and Pa Healy.
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malena stool wrote:
I know it has been said before by others but I do feel sorry for Ma and Pa Healy.
That's very thoughtful of you Malena. They do appear to be promoting the need for continued donations, however.......
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Guest Mon 26 Oct - 22:06
I have just posted on another thread how insincere I thought their letter to Tesco sounded ,it came across as contrived !
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Guest Mon 26 Oct - 22:13
sasha wrote:If they have now decided that there is a possibility of her being dead, why did they go to the trouble of getting those T shirts printed for handing out at the Everton/Benfica game? Is it now all about wasting even more money so that the pot is well and truly empty. Why if they admit she may be dead do they persist on asking people to look out for her? Are they asking us to look for a walking corpse?
Because it is that she MAY be dead, not IS.
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malena stool Mon 26 Oct - 22:16
I know Photon, but are they in the loop as to what really happened to Madeleine? I would think they find it easier to believe the abduction story than consider any of the alternatives.Photon wrote:malena stool wrote:
I know it has been said before by others but I do feel sorry for Ma and Pa Healy.
That's very thoughtful of you Malena. They do appear to be promoting the need for continued donations, however.......
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Jem Mon 26 Oct - 22:26
"Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas and the baby said: 'Maddy's jammies. Where is Maddy?' But she is too young to understand. And how do you explain? All we know is that Madeleine needs her family. She loves us, we love her. It is time for her to come home."' (Sydney Morning Herald, 15 May, 2007).
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Where would we be without the relatives and chums of the McCanns? Philomena tells us how enraged Kate McCann got with the police for simply doing their job. Then we have this creepy gnome telling us that Ameleie is wearing her dead sister's pyjamas.
I am reminded of Daphne du Maurier's 'Rebecca' when I hear that Ameleie is wearing Madeleine's pj's.
It was a thoroughly unsavoury thing to do, Kate McCann! Grotesque. (I hope she never actually did this. It is really bad. Especially as it was so soon after Madeleine had been stolen from her bed by a foreign prince who had taken her away to live in his castle and feed her on Turkish Delight - or whatever else the Team McCann would have us believe.)
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Where would we be without the relatives and chums of the McCanns? Philomena tells us how enraged Kate McCann got with the police for simply doing their job. Then we have this creepy gnome telling us that Ameleie is wearing her dead sister's pyjamas.
I am reminded of Daphne du Maurier's 'Rebecca' when I hear that Ameleie is wearing Madeleine's pj's.
It was a thoroughly unsavoury thing to do, Kate McCann! Grotesque. (I hope she never actually did this. It is really bad. Especially as it was so soon after Madeleine had been stolen from her bed by a foreign prince who had taken her away to live in his castle and feed her on Turkish Delight - or whatever else the Team McCann would have us believe.)
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mumbles Mon 26 Oct - 22:28
I'm not sure about that Malena. 
I keep asking myself how I would react if this was my grandchild that had gone missing.
No matter how much I loved my son/daughter - I would be needing to know the truth - and even more so after reading the police files which I'm sure they have!
As much as they love Kate - they should be asking themselves if any of this makes sense - and if not - WHY?
Not easy for them I admit - but Madeleine was a small helpless child - and she should be their priority now.
I keep asking myself how I would react if this was my grandchild that had gone missing.
No matter how much I loved my son/daughter - I would be needing to know the truth - and even more so after reading the police files which I'm sure they have!
As much as they love Kate - they should be asking themselves if any of this makes sense - and if not - WHY?
Not easy for them I admit - but Madeleine was a small helpless child - and she should be their priority now.
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Susan Healy is no fool !Her expressions say a lot about the type of person she is ,deep as the ocean imo .I'll never forget the pic of her holding the plate Maddie was supposed to have made for her ,completely staged ,awful look on her face !
Thinking about it, not one of them have got honest open faces !The expression ''the eyes are the window to the soul '' come to mind , well god help them all !
Thinking about it, not one of them have got honest open faces !The expression ''the eyes are the window to the soul '' come to mind , well god help them all !
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lynn Mon 26 Oct - 23:19
It could very well be that Maddie was not a biological member of the family and a bit of a problem. Susan Healy doesn't add up. Maybe there has been a consipiracy, but on the other hand something happened that was not supposed to and they are all as worried as can be. If they are caught, well, they know the outcome. Anything could have gone on in that family, both hers and his. Sorry to be so blunt, but had to say.
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Badboy Mon 26 Oct - 23:25
Lynn, as in he biological faher from birmingham
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Guest Mon 26 Oct - 23:41
But weren't tests done that proved she was there daughter? Sure that is right.
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Ah tests ,hmmm,well they are only as good as the integrity of the person that does them !!In this case integrity doesn't seem to be the order of the day .
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Christine Mon 26 Oct - 23:49
Isn't Lowe (Lowe report re DNA) Russel O'Briens cousin? 
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