Does Gerry admit to knowing Madeleine is dead!!!!!

Just reading the email sent from Ricardo Paiva to Goncalo Amaral on the 2007/09/03, topic here and something struck me straight away and it refers to Gerry McCann.

In the email Ricardo Paiva states that prior to this date Gerry made comments to him about Madeleine

More recently, and even before Kate’s interrogation, during a telephone call between Gerald McCann and the undersigned, he made a reference regarding the investigation, that he was certain that the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regard to the death of Madeleine McCann and he said that the police were wasting their time in directing the investigation around the parents.

The word used is death, not disappearance, so according to that email Gerry has already accepted that his daughter is dead. So why is he in Portugal saying that he thinks she is alive? Surely he would have said the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regard to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

http://www.the3arguidos.info/topic3639.html

Sorry Bren but I do not read that as an admission from Gerry at all, in the context of knowing the police are accusing them of being responsible for the death of Madeleine, he is saying the police have no evidence to prove that.

Having said that it is a pretty strange remark for an innocent parent to make!

It would seem that the police case against them at that time was not being involved in her disappearance, it was being involved in the death of Madeleine and disposing of the body.

Later that was developed to include suspecting them of being involved in her kidnapping/trafficking hence the word disappearance becomes more fashionable including with the British press!

Yes viv, but this was said before they knew that they were going to be interrogated again and before Kate even went for her interrogation and before arguido days. It is a very strange comment to make and a strange word to use. After all throughout those days they were insisting it was an abduction and disappearance and she was alive, yet Gerry uses the word death, death is final.

But Bren this was on 3 September when the Pt press had been running these stories for weeks, the McCanns were not in any doubt about what they were to face. That is the whole problem for me really, it enabled them to be prepared!

Here you go Bren, 6 days before that conversation it was in The Daily Mail!

Madeleine: Now Portuguese press claims scent of corpse was found on McCann's keysLast updated at 00:42 27 August 2007

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The parents of Madeleine McCann faced further lurid claims from the Portuguese media with accusations that the scent of a corpse has been discovered on the key of a car they hired weeks after their daughter's disappearance.
A daily newspaper alleged a specialist sniffer dog brought in by British police to aid the Policia Judiciaria detected traces of a body on the key to the Renault Scenic hired by Kate and Gerry McCann five weeks after Madeleine, four, was abducted from their holiday apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz.
In a story on page seven, Jornal de Noticias carried the headline: "Dogs detected scent of a corpse on the car key of Madeleine's parents."
The following sub-headline read: "Policia Judiciaira suspects transportation of a corpse."
The article - which is not attributed to anyone, not even unnamed police sources - added: "English dogs helping the Policia Judiciaria in the investigation of the McCann case detected a strong scent of a corpse on the key of the McCann couple.
"The animals also detected a sample of blood in the boot of the Renault Scenic which was examined along with other cars belonging to the McCanns' friends."
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The paper went on to claim that the person who hired the car the McCanns is also being investigated before speculating that the corpse scent on the key could have come from contimination with another item which had been in contact with a dead body.
It also reported that another British police dog scented blood in the car's boot, which 'precisely indicates that a corpse could have been in that boot'.
In a further sign that the Portuguese media are not letting up in their attacks on the McCanns, Diario de Noticias carried an article by a former director of the Policia Judiciaria, Francisco Moita Flores, alleging that British police have been 'manipulating' the Portuguese investigation and that there had been political and diplomatic interference from the UK authorities to protect the McCanns.
The latest outragous claims in Portugal come after Mr McCann was forced to respond to claims that he and his wife accidentally killed Madeleine with an overdose of sedatives.
A spokeswoman for the couple said last night: "This is just another example of the wild, unfounded speculation in the media which Kate and Gerry find very unhelpful."
Police spokesman Olegario Sousa was unavailable to comment on the latest allegations.
Meanwhile, Mr and Mrs McCann are becoming increasingly frustrated at the way the Find Madeleine Fund is being administered.
During their 16-week stay in Portugal, the couple have been paying much of the cost of maintaining awareness of their missing daughter from their own pockets, with cash from the £1million fund being released to them on a piecemeal basis.
A friend of the family said: 'They're remarkably patient and know people are trying to protect their interests but it's very different when you're in Portugal from when you're in the UK.
"The people operating the fund clearly think they have to protect the fund because they don't know how long it's going to last but Gerry thinks now is the time to be spending money because this is the time when it's going to be most effective."
Although the fund is mostly run by friends and family of the couple, they are keeping a tight rein on how the money is spent and have released just £70,000 from the £1,005,000 donated.
This has gone towards setting up a Find Madeleine website, producing wristbands, posters and T-shirts bearing the 'Look for Madeleine' motto, the cost of a campaign manager as well as legal fees.
They are finding it increasingly difficult to cover the cost of staying in Portugal while paying the mortgage and bills on their home in Rothley, Leics, while effectively being out of work. This is thought to have prompted Mr McCann to declare last week that he will soon be returning to work.
The fund, which was set up with four specific objectives - one of which is to 'provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family' - has been established as a limited company rather than a registered charity because it does not have any public benefit. It is run by six directors.
Former GMTV presenter Esther McVey, who runs her own PR consultancy and is the Conservative prospective parliamentary candidate for Wirral West, is among the directors as is Mr McCann's brother, 48-year-old pharmaceutical sales rep John McCann, and Mrs McCann's uncle Brian Kennedy, 68, a retired headteacher.
Retired hospital consultant Peter Hubner, 64, hospital director Douglas Skehan, 54, and former Leicestershire coroner Philip Tomlinson, 76, are the other directors of the fund, set up within two weeks of Madeleine's disappearance on May 3.
Ms McVey said: "The McCanns very much know and are aware of how the money had come together. They know it's from pensioners and kids in schools and they want it spent as carefully as possible. Because we're a not-for-profit limited company they are very much aware that we abide by the best practice charity laws."


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-477801/Madeleine-Now-Portuguese-press-claims-scent-corpse-McCanns-keys.html#ixzz0cvDxsOTe

Of course there is always the possibility that they knew what the suspicions were because they knew what had happened.

Well they know what happened alright!

It is an interesteing remark when paired up with Rachel Oldfield's "Womens' Hour" interview for the BBC.

She starts on about how "they are all doctors and any one of them would know how to recussitate a child." But the interviewer never asked her anything like that, she was the one who brought up the subject of recussitation!!!

[quote="Bren"]

More recently, and even before Kate’s interrogation, during a telephone call between Gerald McCann and the undersigned, he made a reference regarding the investigation, that he was certain that the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regard to the death of Madeleine McCann and he said that the police were wasting their time in directing the investigation around the parents.

I don't read it the way you say Bren, but l do think it's an odd thing to say. You wouldn't even say such a thing if you thought your daughter was abducted, almost sounds like bragging to me.

The Famous Grouse wrote:It is an interesteing remark when paired up with Rachel Oldfield's "Womens' Hour" interview for the BBC.

She starts on about how "they are all doctors and any one of them would know how to recussitate a child." But the interviewer never asked her anything like that, she was the one who brought up the subject of recussitation!!!

Yes TFG

(Presenter) Since my conversation with that senior figure in Portugal, all seven of the McCann’s friends have been re-interviewed by British police officers, with detectives from the Policia Judiciaria, or ‘PJ’, present. The seven witnesses include Rachael Oldfield, who has given her first ever interview to this programme.

(Rachael Oldfield) I was there on the night. I spent time with Gerry and Kate during the week, you know, before the 3rd of May and afterwards. You know, their emotions and their reactions was just agonising. It was just no way they’re involved in anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.

You know, if you take the common sense approach as well and just look at, you know, timings of how things happened and the fact that they’re both medics, there are four other medics in the group, they would know what to do to resuscitate a child… or anyone else for that matter. Anyone with an ounce of common sense really would be able to see that they couldn’t have done it. I was there and I know that they didn’t do it.

It is so easy to engage mouth before brain...especially if put on the spot.

they also said 'find the body and prove we killed her' and they got that south african guy out there who finds bodies. kinda weird thing to say if you think your child is alive.

Bren wrote:

The Famous Grouse wrote:It is an interesteing remark when paired up with Rachel Oldfield's "Womens' Hour" interview for the BBC.

She starts on about how "they are all doctors and any one of them would know how to recussitate a child." But the interviewer never asked her anything like that, she was the one who brought up the subject of recussitation!!!

Yes TFG

(Presenter) Since my conversation with that senior figure in Portugal, all seven of the McCann’s friends have been re-interviewed by British police officers, with detectives from the Policia Judiciaria, or ‘PJ’, present. The seven witnesses include Rachael Oldfield, who has given her first ever interview to this programme.

(Rachael Oldfield) I was there on the night. I spent time with Gerry and Kate during the week, you know, before the 3rd of May and afterwards. You know, their emotions and their reactions was just agonising. It was just no way they’re involved in anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.

You know, if you take the common sense approach as well and just look at, you know, timings of how things happened and the fact that they’re both medics, there are four other medics in the group, they would know what to do to resuscitate a child… or anyone else for that matter. Anyone with an ounce of common sense really would be able to see that they couldn’t have done it. I was there and I know that they didn’t do it.

It is so easy to engage mouth before brain...especially if put on the spot.

Rachel said that? And there was absolutely no need to say it!! It wasn't even in context of the conversation!

Yes Eddie, the full transcript is here. http://www.the3arguidos.info/topic3647.html

[quote="margaret"]

Bren wrote:

More recently, and even before Kate’s interrogation, during a telephone call between Gerald McCann and the undersigned, he made a reference regarding the investigation, that he was certain that the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regard to the death of Madeleine McCann and he said that the police were wasting their time in directing the investigation around the parents.

I don't read it the way you say Bren, but l do think it's an odd thing to say. You wouldn't even say such a thing if you thought your daughter was abducted, almost sounds like bragging to me.

It does sound like bragging, you are right, it is what we have come to expect from Gerald McCann. Nah nah if she is dead and we did it you try proving it!

Most definitely not the comments one would expect from some innocent parent, more like typical comments of some psycho who thinks he is much cleverer than the police!

I find it interesting the way Rachel also says this:

It was just no way they’re involved in anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance.

Quite an inclusive comment to make given she then goes on about Madeleine's death. I think Gerry had an awful lot to do with Madeleine's "disappearance" and I think this remark shows the mental processes going on. She then goes on to tackle the "death" claims. You would have thought that with two women who have both worked in anaesthetics, Kate for a relatively short while I think, and Fiona having done it for TEN YEARS they would have done something immediately about rescusitating the twins or at least found out what was wrong with them. Not at all sure I have spelt that word right but tried !

[quote="viv"]

margaret wrote:

Bren wrote:

More recently, and even before Kate’s interrogation, during a telephone call between Gerald McCann and the undersigned, he made a reference regarding the investigation, that he was certain that the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regard to the death of Madeleine McCann and he said that the police were wasting their time in directing the investigation around the parents.

I don't read it the way you say Bren, but l do think it's an odd thing to say. You wouldn't even say such a thing if you thought your daughter was abducted, almost sounds like bragging to me.

It does sound like bragging, you are right, it is what we have come to expect from Gerald McCann. Nah nah if she is dead and we did it you try proving it!

Most definitely not the comments one would expect from some innocent parent, more like typical comments of some psycho who thinks he is much cleverer than the police!

Well, his favourite band was The Talking Heads. Their two major hits - "Psycho Killer" and "Road To Nowhere".

Well you know he can hum his theme tunes when he is kicking his heels in the cells, becaue he will be and he knows it

Just to add to this thread, and the two elements (the email and the Woman's Hour comment).

There was also someone, was it GM's father, GM himself, or one of the friends, where he makes a statement talking about Madeleine in the past. Do not remember where / when I saw this, sorry.

DavidA wrote:Just to add to this thread, and the two elements (the email and the Woman's Hour comment).

There was also someone, was it GM's father, GM himself, or one of the friends, where he makes a statement talking about Madeleine in the past. Do not remember where / when I saw this, sorry.

It was one of the Tapas DavidA.

Hi btw, hope you're well, long time no see

DavidA wrote:Just to add to this thread, and the two elements (the email and the Woman's Hour comment).

There was also someone, was it GM's father, GM himself, or one of the friends, where he makes a statement talking about Madeleine in the past. Do not remember where / when I saw this, sorry.

They have all called Madeline in the past tense:

From what I rember:
Kate
Gerry
Clarence
The guy who made the video - Jon Corner
Martin Brunt
Eddie and Keela
PJ conclusions

DavidA wrote:Just to add to this thread, and the two elements (the email and the Woman's Hour comment).

There was also someone, was it GM's father, GM himself, or one of the friends, where he makes a statement talking about Madeleine in the past. Do not remember where / when I saw this, sorry.

I thought he made a comment within the first few days well we have to look after our children now and then added and Madeleine when he realised. Lovely chap!

StGerald wrote:they also said 'find the body and prove we killed her' and they got that south african guy out there who finds bodies. kinda weird thing to say if you think your child is alive.

Actually, this has been discussed many times, and I don't think anybody saw them say this - or heard those words come out of their mouths.

It was in a newspaper article, and we know what they do, don't we?

renoir wrote:

StGerald wrote:they also said 'find the body and prove we killed her' and they got that south african guy out there who finds bodies. kinda weird thing to say if you think your child is alive.

Actually, this has been discussed many times, and I don't think anybody saw them say this - or heard those words come out of their mouths.

It was in a newspaper article, and we know what they do, don't we?

I recall this very well and I'm sure it was in the Daily Mail. It wasn't a direct quote, but a friend of the McCanns saying they, the McCanns had said that.

AnnaEsse wrote:
I recall this very well and I'm sure it was in the Daily Mail. It wasn't a direct quote, but a friend of the McCanns saying they, the McCanns had said that.

I remember it too, and also the Gerry was seen on evening of 3rd May 'by the shutters by Jez Wilkins' (maybe the word used was tampering??) l used to have the daily mail then and never came on the internet about this case, l did eventually because l was so angry that it seemed the media weren't putting 2 and 2 together, then l found the express forums and the rest is history.

How l wish l could find either of those papers now!