Amaral V McCann trial

Will there be a public gallery in the court?

fred wrote:Will there be a public gallery in the court?

I think MCX11 said earlier on this thread that there is seating for Members of the Public but suspects they will
be taken up by the Press.

sans_souci wrote:Well not long to wait until the 11th, when no doubt all will be revealed.

Not sure that the record of preditions is that good though.

From the McCanns will definitely face charges in July 2008, to they will never be released from arguido status, to Amaral will never be charged, he will never be convicted, the McCanns will never sue Bennett over the 60 reasons etc, the McCanns will never return to Portugal, if they do they will be arrested immediately, the McCanns will never sue Amaral..............

Good points there imo, and it's often simply human nature that the more one is able to achieve the higher the aspirations may become. The problem is that such activity doesn't come across well to the outside observer, however impartial they may be. The McCanns have actively sought, and continue to seek, the approval and financial assistance of outsiders and it's clear that many viewed things suspiciously from the very beginning.

I agree with Hare, - either way they're deep in doo-doo. Even if they do manage to come up smellling of roses it's another thing that will remain suspicious to many. And until someone comes up with the truth about Madeleine things will always be this way.

The only thing I know is that the twins deserve better.

T4two wrote:

Lilemor wrote:Why to ban the book?
To ban it is only one possibilty.
The court could also force Dr. Amaral just to write it a little bit different or alternatively to rewrite several passages in the text.
Or not?
That would be enough and no trail would be necessary.

Dr. Amaral maintains that there is nothing in the book that is not in the police files. Why should he re-write one word of the book? Perhaps McCanns should first try suing the police for releasing those files in the first place? Of course Dr. Amaral could have consulted the McCanns first before writing anything just to make sure that he wasn't embarassing them by exposing them as liars without actually saying so. On the other hand, the McCanns are perfectly free to write their own version of events in their own book; there's absolutely no reason why they shouldn't, apart from the fact that it might be extremely dangerous for them to do so. Remember all the trouble they went to to make a film of their own re-construction with most of the footage shot ending up on the cutting room floor? Writing their own book without incriminating themselves might just be as impossible. That still doesn't give these people the right to re-write Dr. Amaral's book.

I think I should better read the book again.
In my opinion he made it very clear who are the culprits - in his book.
Imo it is crystal clear.
And that is what the McCanns can not accept I assume.

Amaral knows about the McCanns (or not directly their) power and the protection they have and get.

Perhaps a subtle different wording would have make it much harder for the McCanns to find sth. to sue.

But Dr. Amaral maintains that there is nothing in the book which is not entiteld to be there.

The problem the McCann's have here is that, unlike so many who have caved in and meekly acquiesced to their demands rather than go to court, Amaral is evidently not going to back down.

I've no doubt this is not what the McCann's, or their overpaid and overrated bully boy lawyers expected or wanted. I'm sure they are somewhat miffed that Amaral is not playing the game!

It's just not fair, is it Kate and Gerry! When you threatened to sue him, he was surely supposed to just give in and publicly apologise... Maybe make a token payment to the fund.

Unfortunately for you, Amaral has proved in spades that he really does have the courage of his own convictions and is prepared to go all the way to court and fight you proven child neglecter's, no matter what.

So now, Amaral has turned the tables and backed you in to a corner! The boot is most certainly on the other foot and you have no real choice but to see this through... Or back down yourselves.

Power to Goncalo Amaral... And kudos to all those who, in their own way are fighting this odious couple and their money grubbing lawyers, by having the courage to follow his example and publish his book 'The Truth of the Lie' on their blogs and websites!

Bless you all!

Perhaps at last the McCanns are going to find that money will never buy a clear conscience nor prevent the real truth of Madeleine's fate becoming known.

Hi Judge Dread,
I hope you are in the right.
It sounds so positive and optimistic what you wrote.
I wish I could share your optimism.

The 11th of Nov. will be exciting...

fedrules wrote:Well, at least the Sun repeated Mr Amaral's theory, which means the public are being reminded that the abduction is not the only explanation of what happened to Madeleine McCann.
Wonder if they will also be making a trip to P. da L??

Yes, and considering this is The McSun, this line speaks volumes to me:

"The couple have filed a £1million libel suit against ex-cop Goncalo Amaral, who wrote a book claiming the three-year-old died in an accident at their holiday flat in May 2007".

Ex-cop!!! Not the usual and oft used Disgraced cop!... WOW!

And then to follow that by literally publicising the book and letting the public know that there is another side to the coin... Double WOW!!

I LOVE IT!

Yes but the wording "disgraced cop" is out.
Irreversible.

I don"t think much will be achieved on 12th December, it"s just a preliminary hearing and may give a date for the Trial.

Beattie wrote:I don"t think much will be achieved on 12th December, it"s just a preliminary hearing and may give a date for the Trial.

Yes, just a preliminary hearing, that is highly likely.
Easy for the McCanns to attend it.
But when it really starts, in the future, with perhaps uncomfortable questionings, what will the McCanns do then???
Do they want to look into Dr. Amarals eyes in the court room again then?
Or better not?

It is their case...

Lilemor

They have been cocooned for so long because the British Press, especially the Express and Sun have been
pro-McCann and they have never been photographed except when they wanted to be. Bouyed by the success of their litigation they probably think they are invincible, however Portugal will be a different matter. More
Foreign Press and a not too warm welcome from the Portugese people I imagine.

Beattie wrote:Lilemor

They have been cocooned for so long because the British Press, especially the Express and Sun have been
pro-McCann and they have never been photographed except when they wanted to be. Bouyed by the success of their litigation they probably think they are invincible, however Portugal will be a different matter. More
Foreign Press and a not too warm welcome from the Portugese people I imagine.

Beattie , I hope so.
But I have the fear (since the beginning) that powerfull freemasons are involved (we know about the unusual gonvernmental influence in the McCann case).
So nothing would wonder me.
Even not a more absurdly order/judge.

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http://aeiou.expresso.pt/gen.pl?p=stories&op=view&fokey=ex.stories/551461

Madeleine: Julgamento sobre proibição de venda de livro de Gonçalo Amaral inicia-se a 11 de Dezembro
Lisboa, 05 Dez (Lusa) - O Tribunal Cível de Lisboa inicia a 11 de Dezembro o julgamento da providência cautelar de proibição de venda do livro "Maddie - A Verdade da Mentira" sobre o desaparecimento da criança em 2007 e da autoria de Gonçalo Amaral. Lusa
7:40 Sábado, 5 de Dez de 2009

Lisboa, 05 Dez (Lusa) - O Tribunal Cível de Lisboa inicia a 11 de Dezembro o julgamento da providência cautelar de proibição de venda do livro "Maddie - A Verdade da Mentira" sobre o desaparecimento da criança em 2007 e da autoria de Gonçalo Amaral.

Nas sessões de 11, 14 e 16 de Dezembro, na 7.ª Vara do Tribunal Cível de Lisboa, no Palácio da Justiça, a defesa de Gonçalo Amaral, ex-inspector da Polícia Judiciária (PJ), vai apresentar oposição à argumentação da família McCann que fundamentou o procedimento cautelar temporário decretado a 09 de Setembro.

Kate e Gerry McCann, representados pela advogada Isabel Duarte, alegam que o livro e o vídeo baseado na obra divulgam a tese de Gonçalo Amaral, considerada por eles insustentável, de envolvimento dos pais de Maddie no seu desaparecimento.


Translation via Google

Madeleine: Trial banning the sale of the book of Gonçalo Amaral begins on 11 December
Lisbon, 05 (AP) - The Civil Court of Lisbon begins on December 11 the trial of the injunction prohibiting sale of the book "Maddie - The Truth Lies" on the child's disappearance in 2007 and written by Gonçalo Amaral . Lusa
7:40 Saturday, Dec 5, 2009

Lisbon, 05 (AP) - The Civil Court of Lisbon begins on December 11 the trial of the injunction prohibiting sale of the book "Maddie - The Truth Lies" on the child's disappearance in 2007 and written by Gonçalo Amaral .

In sessions 11, 14 and 16 December, at 7. Vara Civil Court of Lisbon, in the Courthouse, the defense of Gonçalo Amaral, former Inspector of Judicial Police (PJ), will present arguments in opposition to family McCann explained that the procedure that temporary measure enacted to 09 September.

Kate and Gerry McCann, represented by attorney Elizabeth Duarte, argue that the book and video based on the work of disseminating the thesis Gonçalo Amaral, considered by them unsustainable, parental involvement in Maddie's disappearance.

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I got a new Madeleine McCann-Feed

http://www.jornaldoalgarve.pt/artigos.aspx?id=12662

Madeleine: Julgamento sobre proibição de venda de livro de Gonçalo Amaral inicia-se a 11 de Dezembro

RF/SCS

*5-12-2009 |

O Tribunal Cível de Lisboa inicia a 11 de Dezembro o julgamento da providência cautelar de proibição de venda do livro "Maddie - A Verdade da Mentira" sobre o desaparecimento da criança em 2007 e da autoria de Gonçalo Amaral.
Nas sessões de 11, 14 e 16 de Dezembro, na 7.ª Vara do Tribunal Cível de Lisboa, no Palácio da Justiça, a defesa de Gonçalo Amaral, ex-inspector da Polícia Judiciária (PJ), vai apresentar oposição à argumentação da família McCann que fundamentou o procedimento cautelar temporário decretado a 09 de Setembro.
Kate e Gerry McCann, representados pela advogada Isabel Duarte, alegam que o livro e o vídeo baseado na obra divulgam a tese de Gonçalo Amaral, considerada por eles insustentável, de envolvimento dos pais de Maddie no seu desaparecimento.
Por isso, pediram ao tribunal a retirada do mercado, embora com carácter provisório, do livro e do vídeo produzido após documentário exibido na TVI.
A este processo, em que além do ex-agente da PJ são visadas a editora "Guerra & Paz", a produtora Valentim de Carvalho e a TVI, por divulgação da tese de Gonçalo Amaral, está anexa a acção principal, em que a família McCann reclama protecção de direitos, liberdades e garantias.
Os pais da criança inglesa desaparecida em 03 de Maio de 2007 do quarto de um apartamento num aldeamento turístico na Praia da Luz, no Algarve, apresentaram outra acção contra Gonçalo Amaral, com a acusação de declarações consideradas difamatórias, na qual pedem uma indemnização de, pelo menos, 1,2 milhões de euros.
Segundo o advogado da família, Ed Smethurt, os pais de Madeleine McCann defendem que Gonçalo Amaral produziu afirmações "contínuas e grosseiras", em Portugal e no estrangeiro, sobre o desaparecimento da criança.
"O único argumento da campanha do senhor Amaral é de que Madeleine está morta e que de alguma forma Kate e Gerry estiveram envolvidos no desaparecimento. Não há uma única prova que sustente essa teoria", disse.
No âmbito deste processo, foi pedida uma medida cautelar de arresto de bens, ainda não concretizado e a aguardar cumprimento de diligências.
Gonçalo Amaral é acusado de ter lucrado "quantidades obscenas de dinheiro por vender essa teoria através do seu livro e em entrevistas" e de ter prejudicado "donativos, novas pistas, investigações, informações e testemunhos" sobre o desaparecimento da criança.
Desse modo, o advogado britânico sustentou que Gonçalo Amaral "prejudicou bastante a percepção pública" do caso e levou muitas pessoas a acreditarem na sua teoria, "provavelmente porque ele é um antigo polícia".
O livro "Maddie - A Verdade da Mentira", o mesmo título do documentário exibido na TVI, foi publicado em 2008 e lança a suspeita de que os pais da criança inglesa, que se encontrava de férias com os pais e os irmãos na Praia da Luz, terão participado na ocultação do cadáver.
Na qualidade de coordenador do Departamento de Investigação Criminal da PJ de Portimão, Gonçalo Amaral integrou a equipa de investigadores que tentou apurar o que aconteceu a Madeleine.
Depois da constituição de Robert Murat como arguido, Kate e Kerry McCann, que sempre mantiveram a posição de que Maddie foi raptada, foram constituídos arguidos em Setembro de 2007.
Mas, tal como o cidadão luso-britânico, o casal inglês foi ilibado em Julho de 2008 por falta de provas para sustentar a hipótese avançada pelo inquérito de morte acidental da menina.
O Ministério Público acabou por arquivar o processo, que poderá ser sempre reaberto se surgirem novos dados considerados consistentes sobre o desaparecimento da criança.
A agência Lusa tentou contactar Gonçalo Amaral sobre o julgamento que se inicia no dia 11, mas tal não foi possível.
Lusa:JOP/BM/TQ


Google-translation, poor:

Madeleine: Trial banning the sale of the book of Gonçalo Amaral begins on 11 December

RF / SCS

* 5/12/2009 |

The Civil Court of Lisbon begins on December 11 the trial of the injunction prohibiting sale of the book "Maddie - The Truth Lies" on the child's disappearance in 2007 and written by Goncalo Amaral.
In sessions 11, 14 and 16 December, at 7. Vara Civil Court of Lisbon, in the Courthouse, the defense of Gonçalo Amaral, former Inspector of Judicial Police (PJ), will present arguments in opposition to family McCann explained that the procedure that temporary measure enacted to 09 September.
Kate and Gerry McCann, represented by attorney Elizabeth Duarte, argue that the book and video based on the work of disseminating the thesis Gonçalo Amaral, considered by them unsustainable, parental involvement in Maddie's disappearance.
So they asked the court to withdraw from the market, albeit provisional, book and video produced after the documentary aired TVI.
In this case, where in addition to the former member of the PJ are aimed at the publishing house "War & Peace," the producer Valentim de Carvalho and TVI, for dissemination of the thesis of Gonçalo Amaral, is attached to the main action, where the McCann family demands protection of rights, freedoms and guarantees.
Parents of missing British child on 03 May 2007 of the bedroom of an apartment in a tourist resort in Praia da Luz in the Algarve, had other action against Gonçalo Amaral, with the prosecution of claims deemed libelous in which to claim compensation, at least 1.2 million.
According to the family's lawyer, Ed Smethurt, the parents of Madeleine McCann argue that Goncalo Amaral produced statements "continued and blatant" in Portugal and abroad, about the child's disappearance.
"The only argument the campaign of Mr. Amaral is that Madeleine is dead and that somehow Kate and Gerry were involved in the disappearance. There is no single evidence to support this theory," he said.
In this process, we asked for a restraining order for seizure of goods, yet unmet and awaiting completion of investigations.
Gonçalo Amaral is accused of having profited from "obscene amounts of money by selling this theory through his book and in interviews," and have harmed "donations, new leads, research, information and evidence" about the child's disappearance.
Thus, the British lawyer argued that Gonçalo Amaral "greatly undermined the public perception" of the case and led many to believe his theory, "probably because he is a former policeman."
The book "Maddie - The Truth Lies", the same title of the documentary aired on TVI, was published in 2008 and cast the suspicion that the parents of the English child, who was on holiday with her parents and siblings in Praia da Light, have participated in the concealment of the corpse.
As coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department of the PJ of Portimão, Gonçalo Amaral joined the team of researchers tried to find out what happened to Madeleine.
After the establishment of Robert Murat as a defendant, Kerry and Kate McCann, who always maintained the position that Maddie was abducted, were made defendants in September 2007.
But as the Luso-British citizen, the English couple was acquitted in July 2008 for lack of evidence to support the hypothesis advanced by the investigation of accidental death of the girl.
The prosecutor finally close the file, which can always be reopened if new data that is consistent about the disappearance of the child.
The Lusa news agency tried to contact Gonçalo Amaral on the trial that begins in 11 days, but this was not possible.

Lusa: JOP / BM / TQ

According to the family's lawyer, Ed Smethurt, the parents of Madeleine McCann argue that Goncalo Amaral produced statements "continued and blatant" in Portugal and abroad, about the child's disappearance.
"The only argument the campaign of Mr. Amaral is that Madeleine is dead and that somehow Kate and Gerry were involved in the disappearance. There is no single evidence to support this theory," he said

There's plenty of circumstatial evidence !!

I assume the most important question is if circumstancial evidence is evidence or not.
In the whole case perhaps.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... tment.html

"The little girl died in that apartment" - Gonçalo Amaral on TVI

That is what Dr. Amaral did say...

Hmmm...

Is that why the McCanns sued him?

I feel that Mr Amaral wrote the book in reaction to his portrayal in the British media i.e. that he was a bungling cop who failed in the investigation. I have never been sure of my feelings about whether or not it was an ethical decision, especially as he did stand to gain financially from the sale of the book. However, at least, having read it, I now understand why the McCanns came to be suspected and know that the sniffer dogs' alerts and the Smith family sighting were not forum myths. I also see why it was not possible to bring the two doctors to trial, despite substantial circumstantial evidence against them. I have also wondered if Amaral's decision to expose the facts of the case will prevent a future trial..

"Gonçalo Amaral is accused of having profited from "obscene amounts of money by selling this theory through his book and in interviews," and have harmed "donations, new leads, research, information and evidence" about the child's disappearance. "

Interesting that donations come first!

Obscene amounts but wanted by them for their pathetic search none the less....

How quickly the Mccanns were cleared was amazing. No concrete evidence to prove either they did or they didn't. Have a feeling someone high-up in Govt arranged all this, In My Honest Opinion. Hope that Amaral has that evidence on hand when he comes face to face with the Mcs. He has said he has not said all. Interesting times.

lynn wrote:How quickly the Mccanns were cleared was amazing. No concrete evidence to prove either they did or they didn't. Have a feeling someone high-up in Govt arranged all this, In My Honest Opinion. Hope that Amaral has that evidence on hand when he comes face to face with the Mcs. He has said he has not said all. Interesting times.

Phone Data, I know it's difficult to follow, it almost did my head in, but it's there.

Sorry, the link in my last post didn´t work.
Here is the right one:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/09/little-girl-died-in-that-apartment.html

Madeleine DIED... (100%), by Dr. Amaral

We don´t want an inspector to tell the world that the child has died (without conclusive evidence).

I assume that is what the McCanns think.

And the court?