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Post  Lilemor Wed 13 Jan - 22:27

Madeleine: Acusação comprova que livro de Gonçalo Amaral estava concluído antes de despacho de arquivamento
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http://jn.sapo.pt/PaginaInicial/Interio ... id=1469170


Lisboa, 13 Jan (Lusa) - A acusação no julgamento de proibição do livro "Maddie - A Verdade da Mentira" provou hoje que a obra de Gonçalo Amaral foi concluída antes do despacho de arquivamento do processo de investigação, o que poderá suscitar violação do segredo de justiça.

A inquirição às duas testemunhas indicadas pela editora Guerra & Paz, realizada por Isabel Duarte, advogada da família McCann, permitiu dar como provado que o livro, em que o ex-inspector da Polícia Judiciária (PJ) reproduz a tese de envolvimento de Kate e Gerry McCann no desaparecimento da filha, foi concluído a 24 de Julho de 2008.

O tribunal comprovou que o despacho de arquivamento do procurador da República de Portimão, Magalhães Menezes, é de 21 de Julho do mesmo ano e tinha como data de notificação oito dias depois, numa altura em que ficou provado hoje que o livro já estava concluído e pronto para ser comercializado.

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Indictment proves that the book of Gonçalo Amaral was completed before the order of filing.

The work of Gonçalo Amaral was completed before the decision to file the research process which may lead to violation of secrecy.

The questioning the two witnesses listed by publisher War & Peace, held by Isabel Duarte, a lawyer for the McCann family, made it possible to establish that the book was completed on July 24, 2008.
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Post  4timesanan Wed 13 Jan - 22:33

did gerry mac leave the court after hearing this...
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Post  Ang Wed 13 Jan - 22:48

Mr McCann doesn't ever mention that he left three children unattended - only Madeleine is mentioned She was effectively the babysitter of her two year old siblings. Not right is it - on any level. He seems to think that the public don't remember this. But we do don't we.....
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Post  Alpine Aster Wed 13 Jan - 23:04

4timesanan wrote:did gerry mac leave the court after hearing this...

Hi Nan.
The part of the Transcript below about the book Gerry did leave at this time.
I do find it rather unbelievable that Gerry had to leave the Trail to return to England because of work commitments.
In The NHS there is always someone to cover you, it just does not make sense, Gerry knew the dates of this Trail and had time to arrange cover, perhaps this was not the real reason time will tell.

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3:52 jondipaolo: Mr Enes has left the witness stand, and has been replaced by Mario Sena Lopes, former chief editor at the book's publisher, Guerra e Paz

4:01 jondipaolo: Mr Lopes tells the court that Mr Amaral's book had been ready to publish in the last week of July 2008

4:01 jondipaolo: The book was published very quickly to take most advantage of marketing opportunities, the court hears.

4:05 jondipaolo: The marketing plan for the book was much smaller than normal, because we are a small publisher, Mr Lopes tells the court.

4:46 jondipaolo: Sorry about the pause - we had a brief intermission during which Gerry McCann left the court.

4:47 jondipaolo: Mr McCann held an impromptu press conference outside the front of the court where he was beseiged by journalists' questions.

4:50 jondipaolo: He explained that he was leaving the court case as he had unavoidable work commitments in the UK, but that Kate would stay on until the end.
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Post  HiDeHo Wed 13 Jan - 23:17

I am afraid that when I read those comments I believe Gerry would be pleased.

What he wouldn't want to hear is...."What were you doing that night? We believe Madeleine was dead."

Were you securing the last minute details for the planned abduction?

I'm sure they have been happy about being accused of neglect instead of planning the fake 'abduction'
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Post  Lilemor Wed 13 Jan - 23:56

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -21965534/

Disgraced Portuguese detective in four letter outburst at Kate and Gerry McCann

By Martin Fricker in Lisbon 14/01/2010

Disgraced detective Goncalo Amaral yesterday let rip at Kate and Gerry McCann with a foul-mouthed outburst.

The former policeman was asked if his book about their daughter Madeleine was hurting the couple when he barked: “No, f*** the McCanns.”

Amaral then laughed as he walked off, despite being caught on camera insulting a couple who have suffered so much anguish in recent years.

The disgusting slur came as Kate and Gerry had to listen to yet more accusations by Portuguese officers that they were involved in the youngster’s 2007 disappearance.

It was made to BBC East Midlands Today reporter Mike O’Sullivan who confronted smirking Amaral outside the Lisbon court where the McCanns are suing him for libel over his book.

Mike said: “I was astonished, and so was my cameraman, that a former senior police officer could use a term like that against the McCanns. It really was crude.”

A family friend of Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, added: “It’s disgraceful and gives a true measure of the man.”

After Amaral’s tirade, Gerry laid into Portuguese detectives over their ridiculous claims he and his wife killed three-year-old Madeleine and dumped her body to cover their tracks.

The angry 41-year-old said: “The prosecutor had all the evidence and he said there was no evidence Madeleine was dead.

“If there was evidence of our involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance then the prosecutor would have charged us.

“Officers who considered us as involved in Madeleine’s disappearance have not been able to change their mind, despite a lack of evidence.”

And the heart specialist insisted the blinkered theory by former police liaison officer Ricardo Paiva that their daughter has been killed was hindering the ongoing search for her.

Gerry added: “How could he investigate thoroughly if he believes that?

“We’ve also heard Mr Amaral’s thesis that Madeleine is dead. There is absolutely no evidence to support that thesis.

“We are not harking on over mistakes that were made and cannot be redeemed.

“What is done cannot be righted. We made a mistake, in hindsight, by leaving Madeleine and we have to live with the consequences of that. We can’t change it.”

Gerry vowed to keep up the search for their little girl, who vanished from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz as they ate nearby with friends.

He said: “There is a little girl missing who still needs to be found.

“We will keep going until Madeleine is found and until whoever has taken her is brought to justice. It’s not good enough that the search stops.”

Gerry revealed three new pieces of information had been sent to investigators in Portugal from their team.

But the McCanns faced more accusations yesterday. The court was told Madeleine’s abduction was a “fairytale” concocted by the couple.

Criminologist Francisco Moita Flores, a friend of Amaral, said: “No one believed Madeleine was kidnapped. I saw that window. It was impossible.

“The McCanns should be on trial for not guarding their children.”
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Post  Guest Thu 14 Jan - 0:07

Trying to discredit the Dogs again Mr. McCann
The fact Dogs found anything at all is worrying .
and clearly it spooked the McCann's, the initial clams of Kate working round what was it 6 Corpses in a week proves that.
Of course the Dogs cant prove anything directly , but its the little things in this case that add up
And incidentally no evidence whatsoever of an abduction ,or regrettably that Madeline is still alive

i have just sent that to the mail
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Post  MJH1901 Thu 14 Jan - 2:19

Wow Lilemor you have been busy!
Thanks for putting all these interesting reports here.
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Post  hobnob Thu 14 Jan - 3:43

The former policeman was asked if his book about their daughter Madeleine was hurting the couple when he barked: “No, f*** the McCanns.”

A family friend of Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, added: “It’s disgraceful and gives a true measure of the man.”
but no comment about gerry dropping the f bomb in front of his kids and telling the camera he wasn't there to have fun
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Tapas Seven Friend Flies Out To Kate McCann Sky News

12:03am UK, Thursday January 14, 2010
Jon di Paolo, Sky News Online reporter, in Lisbon

Kate McCann is to be joined by Fiona Payne, a member of the so-called Tapas Seven group of friends, for the third day of a libel trial in Portugal as husband Gerry has flown home.

The McCanns are in court to try to ensure a ban is upheld on a book written by former policeman Goncalo Amaral in which he suggests their daughter died in the apartment from which she vanished in May 2007.

Mr Amaral was originally in charge of the investigation into Madeleine McCann's whereabouts after she disappeared during the family trip to Praia da Luz in the Algarve.

However, he was taken off the case five months later after criticising the British police, and went on to write Madeleine: The Truth Of The Lie, published the following summer.

The book and a subsequent documentary prompted the McCanns to launch a legal fight for a ban and £1m compensation, which they say would be put towards efforts to find Madeleine.

The trial has so far consisted of witnesses called on behalf of Mr Amaral, mostly current or former policemen who back his version of events.

Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida told the court on Monday he believed Madeleine died in her family's holiday apartment and that her parents covered up the death by inventing a kidnapping.

On the second day Francisco Moita Flores, a former senior policeman who is now a politician, criminologist and writer, told the court it would be impossible to pass a sleeping child through the window of the McCanns' holiday flat.

Their testimony has been challenged by the McCanns' defence lawyer, Isabel Duarte, who pointed out there were other ways in which the youngster could have been taken from the apartment.

The Amaral witnesses have also repeatedly insisted that the case represents an attack on the Portuguese constitution and freedom of speech.

They have also brought up the hostile attitude of sections of the British media towards the local detectives who worked on the case and Mr Amaral in particular.

Mr McCann and his wife Kate, both 41, from Rothley, Leicestershire, have sat together in court throughout, but on the trial's second day Mr McCann left early, saying he had to fly back to the UK to honour work commitments.

Outside court, he said that despite the hostile testimony there was still no evidence whatsoever that Madeleine was dead.

He said: "From our point of view, what's happened in the last two days is in many ways what's expected. These are Goncalo Amaral's witnesses.

"I think it is particularly disappointing that certain police officers within Portimao who considered us as possibly involved in Madeleine's disappearance have not been able to change their minds despite a lack of evidence.

"It is these officers we are dependent on for pursuing the investigation within Portugal."

Her place at Mrs McCann's side in the courtroom will be taken by Mrs Payne, a member of the Tapas Seven group of friends who were dining with the McCanns on the night of the disappearance.

The group were awarded libel damages of £375,000 in October 2008 following untrue reports in two British daily newspapers that they had not told the truth about what happened that evening.

Mrs Payne is a close friend of Kate's and recently ran a charity fun run with her in Leicestershire during which Mrs McCann wore a T-shirt pleading for people not to give up the search for her daughter.
Speaking in court in Portugal, former detective and criminologist Moita Flores said: "I have spoken to respected experts on crime and none of them agrees it would be possible to pass a child through the window.

"It would have been a very stupid person who tried to pass a sleeping child through the window of the McCanns' holiday flat."

Mr Flores is the first witness called on the second day of a three day libel trial, brought by the McCanns, to permanently ban a book written by a senior figure in the investigation that claims Madeleine died in the family's apartment.

Former detective Goncalo Amaral is trying to overturn the ban on his book Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie.

Mr Amaral initially led the Madeleine investigation but was taken off the case in October 2007 after criticising the British police in a newspaper interview.

Mr Flores defended the police inquiry and Mr Amaral's book.

He said: "It is not true to say that the police only pursued the line of inquiry that the McCanns were guilty.

"Many, many hours were spent by officers checking every other possible line of inquiry.

"This case is pathetic. A citizen is being prevented from freely expressing his opinions in a responsible way."

Speaking outside court Gerry McCann told journalists he had heard no evidence that Madeleine was dead.

He said: "This is the legal process we're going through to protect our daughter and our family. Anyone else with children would do the same."

Sky News Online reporter Jon di Paolo, who is reporting from inside the court said: "The McCanns are both in conversation with their interpreters. Gerry looks relaxed and smiles as he talks."

Yesterday a senior detective called as a witness by Mr Amaral told the court he believed Madeleine died in her family's apartment.

Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida claimed the main evidence for this was the findings of British police sniffer dogs sent to Portugal to examine the flat.

He said the animals detected traces of blood inside the dining room of the holiday flat and in the car the McCann's were using.

The McCann's lawyer Isabel Duarte challenged the claim, saying the sniffer dog results did not constitute proof.

Local public prosecutor Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses was also called as a witness. When asked if he believed Madeleine was dead, he said it was "50-50".

Madeleine was nearly four when she disappeared from a holiday apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Kate and Gerry McCann were made "arguidos" or formal suspects four months in to the investigation, but this status was lifted when the case was shelved the following summer.

In seperate legal proceedings in Portugal, the couple are seeking over £1m in compensation from Mr Amaral for defamation.

The McCanns have always strenuously denied allegations they were involved in their daughter's disappearance, and say they will never stop looking for her.

The trial continues.
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Post  kitti Thu 14 Jan - 7:34

Well the paynes owe them a favour, dont they.
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Post  nostra Thu 14 Jan - 9:14

Would you not want your mum/sister/aunt/grandma etc to be by your side at a time like this ?(one of impending doom I hope) I can not understand why Fiona Payne is going, seems very random. It all seems very last minute and rushed. Could it all be as simple as a diversion tactic including gerry easy jetting it back to uk? What the papers say - Amaral V McCanns trial - Page 11 303636
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Post  Guest Thu 14 Jan - 10:32

Why does that report only talk about the Blood dog and not the cadaver dog??? That's annoying....the blood dog means nothing on it's own does it?
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Post  kitti Thu 14 Jan - 10:42

nostra wrote:Would you not want your mum/sister/aunt/grandma etc to be by your side at a time like this ?(one of impending doom I hope) I can not understand why Fiona Payne is going, seems very random. It all seems very last minute and rushed. Could it all be as simple as a diversion tactic including gerry easy jetting it back to uk? What the papers say - Amaral V McCanns trial - Page 11 303636



Some people are saying it has to do with the TIMINGS off the book coming out i.e. for instance.....secrecy being lifted 18th july 2008...book coming out 23rd july 2008 and the mccanns being informed off the secrecy being lifted 27th july 2008, though why the mccanns can say NOT being informed till AFTER the book was released is a against the law, i dont know.


I think amaral being a lawyer knew exactly about the timings and the mccanns are clutching at straws, if gerry is going back to look into this and carter-ruck find a loophole to bring in front off the judge then it may be their trump card to throw the case out, we will see.

If that is the case, it will give the mccanns time now they know what they are up against to go through everything that has been said by amaral and his lawyers and may be better prepared next time for when the case is re-scheduled.


I WOULDNT PUT ANYTHING PAST CARTER RUCK AND THE THE MCCANNS.
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Madeleine claims 'difficult to listen to', says Kate McCann

14/01/2010 - 11:54:20
Kate McCann admitted today that listening to claims that she faked her daughter Madeleine's abduction was difficult - but said nothing could be as bad as losing her child.

She and her husband Gerry have sat through two days of court hearings in which former Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral has called witnesses to support his allegation that the little girl died in her family's holiday flat.

Mrs McCann insisted that the couple were right to take legal action against Mr Amaral and said she was confident they would win.

Speaking as she arrived for a third day of hearings at the main civil court in Lisbon, she acknowledged that this week had taken its toll.

"If I'm honest, our daughter's been taken and nothing's ever going to be as bad as that," she said.

"It's still been difficult, it's been emotive, because I know what's in the case files, I know what the conclusions are.

"So it's difficult to hear something that's incorrect and inaccurate.

"At the bottom of all this is a little girl, and I think it's important that we don't forget that."

Mr McCann flew back to Britain last night to return to work and his wife was accompanied to court today by Fiona Payne, one of the friends on holiday with the couple when Madeleine disappeared.

Mr Amaral was the first head of the Portuguese police investigation into Madeleine's disappearance from Praia da Luz in the Algarve on May 3, 2007.

He has called a series of top Portuguese law enforcement officials as witnesses in his attempt to overturn the McCanns' injunction on his book about the case, Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie.

Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida told the court on Tuesday he believed that Madeleine died in her family's holiday apartment and her parents covered up the death by inventing a kidnapping.

Former detective Francisco Moita Flores also dismissed the theory that the child was abducted and said the McCanns' legal challenge was "pathetic" when he gave evidence yesterday.

Mrs McCann was asked today whether she now felt it was a misjudgment to bring legal action against Mr Amaral.

She replied: "This is definitely the right course of action. I truly believe we are doing this to help the search for Madeleine.

"I believe in the Portuguese judicial system and that we will get justice, and that we can take the search for Madeleine forward."

Asked if she believed the McCanns would win their case against Mr Amaral, she said: "I am confident, yes."

Mr Amaral's lawyer, Antonio Cabrita, has denied that the former policeman said "f*** the McCanns" in response to a question from a BBC reporter about whether his book was hurting the couple.

Regional news programme East Midlands Today broadcast the exchange with the allegedly offending word bleeped out.

A BBC spokesman said: "The reply was clearly 'f*** the McCanns'.

"The entire exchange was recorded on camera, and the swear word was bleeped out for transmission as it was clearly unacceptable to broadcast such language at 6.30pm."

But Mr Cabrita said his client had not said anything in English and Portuguese journalists suggested that he said "I'm not talking about the McCanns" in Portuguese.

A judge granted the McCanns an injunction last September banning further sale or publication of Mr Amaral's book and a TV documentary he made about the case.

The ex-policeman's lawyers argue that the material in his book is contained in the official Portuguese police files for the investigation, many of which were made public in August 2008.

The McCanns, both 41, from Rothley, Leicestershire, say their main motive for challenging the former policeman is the fear that people will stop looking for their daughter if they think she is dead.

The court is hearing evidence about Mr Amaral's documentary from TV producers today.

The case will then be adjourned until a further session on February 10, when the judge, Maria Gabriela Cunha Rodrigues, will hear from two witnesses who were not available this week.

The McCanns are also seeking €1.2m in compensation for defamation in separate proceedings against Mr Amaral in Portugal.

They have said any damages awarded by the courts would go towards paying for private investigators to look for Madeleine.

No date has been set for a trial in the compensation case.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/madeleine-claims-difficult-to-listen-to-says-kate-mccann-441905.html#ixzz0cagUPyK6
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Post  Alfiefinn Thu 14 Jan - 12:57

Would one of those witnesses be the British detective Jose de Freitas who was on leave this week and unable to appear?
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Post  fedrules Thu 14 Jan - 13:25

Or Mr Smith??
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Post  nostra Thu 14 Jan - 13:56

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nostra wrote:Would you not want your mum/sister/aunt/grandma etc to be by your side at a time like this ?(one of impending doom I hope) I can not understand why Fiona Payne is going, seems very random. It all seems very last minute and rushed. Could it all be as simple as a diversion tactic including gerry easy jetting it back to uk? What the papers say - Amaral V McCanns trial - Page 11 303636



Some people are saying it has to do with the TIMINGS off the book coming out i.e. for instance.....secrecy being lifted 18th july 2008...book coming out 23rd july 2008 and the mccanns being informed off the secrecy being lifted 27th july 2008, though why the mccanns can say NOT being informed till AFTER the book was released is a against the law, i dont know.


I think amaral being a lawyer knew exactly about the timings and the mccanns are clutching at straws, if gerry is going back to look into this and carter-ruck find a loophole to bring in front off the judge then it may be their trump card to throw the case out, we will see.

If that is the case, it will give the mccanns time now they know what they are up against to go through everything that has been said by amaral and his lawyers and may be better prepared next time for when the case is re-scheduled.


I WOULDNT PUT ANYTHING PAST CARTER RUCK AND THE THE MCCANNS.

This seems completely plausible Kitty, but I ca't understand why communications with lawyers couldn't have been dealt with from portugal, it seems a bit dramatic to fly back just for this reason.......
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Post  Guest Thu 14 Jan - 14:08

nostra wrote:...it seems a bit dramatic to fly back just for this reason.......

ah, but it makes for good theatre though, doesn't it. and fiona payne flying in at short notice only adds to the drama.

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Post  Guest Thu 14 Jan - 14:11

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nostra wrote:...it seems a bit dramatic to fly back just for this reason.......

ah, but it makes for good theatre though, doesn't it. and fiona payne flying in at short notice only adds to the drama.

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Post  nostra Thu 14 Jan - 14:16

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Marky wrote:
nostra wrote:...it seems a bit dramatic to fly back just for this reason.......

ah, but it makes for good theatre though, doesn't it. and fiona payne flying in at short notice only adds to the drama.

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Post  halfamo Thu 14 Jan - 14:17

That Payne woman looks a hard faced cow.
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Post  kitti Thu 14 Jan - 14:18

Tared with the same brush mccann and payne.
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Post  Guest Thu 14 Jan - 14:21

given that this is about overturning the injunction banning the book and that only, both of you could be right. witnesses for amaral.

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Post  kitti Thu 14 Jan - 14:29

wheres the mccanns witnesses, aint they got none...billy no mates the lot off them
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