I CAN FIND MADDIE

kitti wrote:A source close to the McCanns said last night: "Kate and Gerry are pleased he's returning. They worked with him before and want to see his leads investigated.




Make up your minds mccanns, one minute you say she is definately alive then you say you want this man krugel, who only looks for dead bodies, to investigate.

They really need to! Weren't the McCanns who said Amaral's allegations that Maddie was dead, were having a negative effect, because no one after this, would come foward with tips about her? But then Kruegel is welcomed with his "wonder machine" to locate the body???

Old article about Krugel

http://www.thestar.co.za/?fArticleId=4224080

Anyone who is in cahoots with the mcs's need a health warning on them.

I would have more luck locating Madeleine's body with my hand held car vac then this man...another swindler looking for a free holiday to Portugal if you ask me.

My OH used to watch a New Zealand series called 'Sensing Murder' which featured psychics piecing together the events leading up to a murder and then, by allegedly contacting the murdered persons spirit, attempting to pinpoint/locate where that person had been buried/concealed.

I've always been very sceptical about psychics and after watching this series with my OH I haven't changed my mind.

It was a very slick show and the psychics did get a lot of things right about each murder case.

This of course does not prove psychic ability since it is a recorded TV show and so prior to its recording, information about the case could easily have been passed to them.

But what damns these psychics more than anything, imo, is that not once, despite claiming to be in touch with the murder victim, did they locate the victims body. Not once!

This proves to me that they are no more psychic than I am.

As far as I'm concerned, they are nothing more than clever and manipulative con artists.

And now we have Mr Krugel who has invented a machine that uses DNA and GPS to locate bodies! What a load of old hooey. It's nothing more than a con designed to fool vulnerable and gullible people and thus make lots of lovely money!

Actually, Krugel has already been offered a great deal of lovely money...

James Raandi, noted sceptic of all things not proven, has offered Krugel a million-dollar prize, if the MOS can operate as claimed. Tests, he says, would take less than an hour, and we already have experts standing by on site to spring into action as soon as Krugel gives us the word.

So far, the silence from Krugel has been deafening!

I wonder why!

ann_chovey wrote:Renoir wrote: This might well be the case. A sighting or a piece of info. that someone "forgot" to reveal at the time.
Otherwise I ask myself what on earth was he doing down there? A winter break?

Also - I realise it's important for them to keep Maddie "alive" - but I wonder if it might get to the point when a body would have to be found?
Might they think that was a way out of a badly deteriorating situation?.


I agree, despite people saying KM is tough, to me she doesn't look like she can stand much more of this, and since Ricardo Paiva's 'unhelpful' mentioning of the dream phonecall, i think there is a mini panic in the midst of camp McCann. The poem and the service at Rothley Court was more like a requiem or a wake. Rothley court chapel is quite small, I presume it was the family chapel of former owners, so it will look full even if not many turned out. I presume it was chosen for that reason instead of a church.

Hi ann_chovey!
Yes, it looks very much as though she has reached the end of her tether.

They have to find some way of dealing with that. Plus what seems to be a change in the perceptions of the British public. (I'm over here in Germany, but that appears to be the case, as far as I can see.)

Something drastic may be on the cards. IMO.

I actually believe that Maddie's body was re-patriated and buried in Britain. If remains are found in Portugal I, for one will be asking how they got there.

All articles about Danny Krugel

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id304.html

So Krugel says he followed her 'scent' to the sea which proves that maddie was taken on a boat and is alive.


HOW THE HELL CAN HE SAY THAT!!

As i have said before, Krugel is being used now to prove she is alive and that is why dear old edgar is in pdl...IF THATS ALL THEY CAN COME UP WITH....ITS LAUGHABLE.

kitti wrote:So Krugel says he followed her 'scent' to the sea which proves that maddie was taken on a boat and is alive.


HOW THE HELL CAN HE SAY THAT!!

As i have said before, Krugel is being used now to prove she is alive and that is why dear old edgar is in pdl...IF THATS ALL THEY CAN COME UP WITH....ITS LAUGHABLE.

Desperate times, kitti! Somebody needs to remind Gerry McCann of what he said about evidence!

If he waits much longer there will be nothing left to find!

FSoares wrote:

kitti wrote:A source close to the McCanns said last night: "Kate and Gerry are pleased he's returning. They worked with him before and want to see his leads investigated.




Make up your minds mccanns, one minute you say she is definately alive then you say you want this man krugel, who only looks for dead bodies, to investigate.

They really need to! Weren't the McCanns who said Amaral's allegations that Maddie was dead, were having a negative effect, because no one after this, would come foward with tips about her? But then Kruegel is welcomed with his "wonder machine" to locate the body???

I guess they know he's wrong about the place he says Madeleine is, because they know where she is?

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Bebootje wrote:

FSoares wrote:

kitti wrote:A source close to the McCanns said last night: "Kate and Gerry are pleased he's returning. They worked with him before and want to see his leads investigated.




Make up your minds mccanns, one minute you say she is definately alive then you say you want this man krugel, who only looks for dead bodies, to investigate.

They really need to! Weren't the McCanns who said Amaral's allegations that Maddie was dead, were having a negative effect, because no one after this, would come foward with tips about her? But then Kruegel is welcomed with his "wonder machine" to locate the body???

I guess they know he's wrong about the place he says Madeleine is, because they know where she is?

By NOT finding a body and using a useless piece of s*** like krugel who is obviously a fraud, the mccanns can say she is ALIVE as you say.

Madeleine McCann Search Decision Support Document PJ Files

Page 2224/2225 of the 201/07.OGALGS Investigation Process

By Mark Harrison MBE
National Search Adviser Homicide, Missing Persons, Mass Fatality Disasters in National Policing Improvement Agency [NPIA]
23 July 2007

- Extract -

'A Mr Krugel, at the McCann's request, attended Praia Da Luz last week from South Africa alleging he could assist in locating Madeleine McCann. I have spoken with the Police officers that accompanied him and viewed the documentation Krugel has supplied to the PJ.

The limiting factor in coming to a view is that Krugel did not allow anyone to view the handheld device he had with him or observe him using it. He was unable to provide any validating scientific data or documents to support the claims he made or the device he alleged to have with him.

In short he would appear to claim he has uniquely developed a handheld device that can find a missing person alive or dead in any given terrain over any elapsed time period.

In debriefing the officers who accompanied Krugel it is possible to hypothesise what he may have been doing and using.

In consultation with a colleague Dr Wolfram Meier-Augenstein we feel he may have been attempting to give the impression he had developed and was using a "Remote Laser based gas sensing device". However his claims regarding the distance of detection, up to 20km, and the use of a hair sample are highly unlikely and would be a great innovation in the scientific world. Further provenance of this technique could be sought from Prof. Miles Padgett who is a Professor of optics in physics at the University of Glasgow.

One obvious challenge to the claims of the device capability is that if Krugel claims that by taking 3 separate location readings he is able to triangulate to an area then one would assume that, as an area was identified, further reading and triangulation inside that area could be conducted repeatedly until an "X marked the spot".

Of most concern is the poor quality of his report which merely shows a google earth image of an area to the east of Praia Da Luz and includes open scrub and beach and sea. As Krugel was not prepared to allow the device to be viewed or provide any specification data of readings or equipment and the fact that no known device currently exists commercially or academically then I can only conclude that the information he has provided is likely to be of low value.'

Has Krugel been yet? Taking his time isn't he. The reason is that she is not there.

He's had 2 years to go and find her

If she was taken back to Britain and cremated - NOBODY'S going to find her.

renoir wrote:If she was taken back to Britain and cremated - NOBODY'S going to find her.

If she was weighted down and dumped at sea, nobody will find her.

If her body had been cut up and taken bit-by-bit to a tip, no one would find her. And to be perfectly gruesome, people who took the parts to the tip could quite honestly say they were dumping rotting meat.

renoir wrote:If she was taken back to Britain and cremated - NOBODY'S going to find her.

2 questions: 1 how would the get her back to Britain without someone noticing something and
2: how would they cremate her. I'm sorry but that's a bit far fetched.

No crematorium is going to cremate a body without a death cert. So what did they do burn her in a bin somewhere. Seriously do you really think this would have happened.

AnnaEsse wrote:If her body had been cut up and taken bit-by-bit to a tip, no one would find her. And to be perfectly gruesome, people who took the parts to the tip could quite honestly say they were dumping rotting meat.

blimey!

[quote="Marky"]

AnnaEsse wrote:

renoir wrote:If her body had been cut up and taken bit-by-bit to a tip, no one would find her. And to be perfectly gruesome, people who took the parts to the tip could quite honestly say they were dumping rotting meat.

blimey!

How might a couple of doctors dispose of a body so that it would not be found?

ETA: maybe we need to think the unthinkable.

AnnaEsse wrote:

Marky wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:If her body had been cut up and taken bit-by-bit to a tip, no one would find her. And to be perfectly gruesome, people who took the parts to the tip could quite honestly say they were dumping rotting meat.

blimey!

How might a couple of doctors dispose of a body so that it would not be found?

ETA: maybe we need to think the unthinkable.

nah, that's that's just too far right of extreme for me.

Marky wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

Marky wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:If her body had been cut up and taken bit-by-bit to a tip, no one would find her. And to be perfectly gruesome, people who took the parts to the tip could quite honestly say they were dumping rotting meat.

blimey!

How might a couple of doctors dispose of a body so that it would not be found?

ETA: maybe we need to think the unthinkable.

nah, that's that's just too far right of extreme for me.

2nded

I agree too. Very far fetched

Antoinette wrote:I agree too. Very far fetched

Far-fetched? That means unlikely or with no reference to reality. Now, we may not want to think of something gruesome happening to Maddie's body, but chopping up is not far-fetched for a couple of doctors. If an ordinary villain, like the man in the "jigsaw murder," can do it, it's not far-fetched to contemplate doctors doing it. Suppose someone had a body they had stored in a convenient freezer and then had to consider how to dispose of it without attracting too much attention? Bury it? Transport it on a day when the press were not expecting any activity? Could be. I guess I have a very active imagination and I'm not really squeamish!

AnnaEsse wrote:

Antoinette wrote:I agree too. Very far fetched

Far-fetched? That means unlikely or with no reference to reality. Now, we may not want to think of something gruesome happening to Maddie's body, but chopping up is not far-fetched for a couple of doctors. If an ordinary villain, like the man in the "jigsaw murder," can do it, it's not far-fetched to contemplate doctors doing it. Suppose someone had a body they had stored in a convenient freezer and then had to consider how to dispose of it without attracting too much attention? Bury it? Transport it on a day when the press were not expecting any activity? Could be. I guess I have a very active imagination and I'm not really squeamish!

U mean they could have done a Jeffrey Dahmer....yowza.