Robert Murat Statements

Volume V, pages 1170-1178 (9 pages)

ROBERT MURAT: STATEMENT 1 OF 3

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WITNESS STATEMENT OF ARGUIDO: ROBERT MURAT

Date: 2007/05/14; Time: 10:00; Location: DIC Portimão
Officer: João C. and Luís P., Inspectors

Defender appointed / constituted: Dispensed with for the present diligence

He was told that he is being considered a defendant in these proceedings, it having been given and explained to him the rights and duties under art. 61 of the Code of Criminal Procedure and, concerning legal support, the Law no. 34/2004 of 29/07, and the document of constitution of defendant was given to him. He is signing as having received the above.

Signature __________________________________

He was advised that the lack of response or falsehood about his identity and his criminal background does incur criminal liability.

Name: ROBERT JAMES QUERIOL EVELEIGH MURAT
Nickname: "ROB"

As for his criminal background he said:
--- He has never been before a court, nor been arrested.

Asked if he wanted to respond to the facts that are imputed against him, he responded:
--- Affirmatively.
--- He comes to the case in order to clarify the facts with which he is charged, dispensing with the presence of a lawyer and an interpreter as he understands perfectly the Portuguese language in its oral and written form. He was already present in the procedural activities as an interpreter.
--- Born in London, England, about 33 years ago. His parents have lived in Portugal, which his mother still does (Casa Liliana) given that his father died when he was twelve years old. He came to Portugal when he was two weeks old, returning to the United Kingdom in 1989, returning to Portugal in 2005, where he has been living in Praia da Luz, Lagos. He has also lived in Lagos and in Almádena.
--- In England he lived in various localities, Norfolk, Devon - Sidford and Norwich.
--- He has two siblings, one a male who is 38 years old and a female who is 35/36 years old, [both of whom] have also lived in Portugal with the deponent. However the respondent returned to the United Kingdom and his siblings also eventually returned to their country of birth, where they currently live. He has four nephews, two couples, in age from four to sixteen years. He has a healthy family environment, of good relations and frequent contacts.
--- On the educational background, said he did not know whether he began in Portugal or the UK. He attended primary school in Espiche, later the International School of Porches and soon after the Secondary School in Lagos, which he left by the seventh year.
--- He doe not have technical and professional courses [qualifications], but attended an accountancy course in the UK.
--- After the death of his father, he left the school, that being the main reason, and then often consumed some drugs and alcohol. Five to six years later, his Mother became involved with another person, which disagreeing, took him back to Portugal [NOTE *], in conjunction with a state of passion [love], for a British girl.

[* There is an illegible hand-written mark, possibly a correction, against the word 'Portugal'. It might indicate that he returned to England from Portugal]

In the United Kingdom has pursued several activities from canvasser of customers for window sales, factory worker in the meat business and seller of cars. In the south of England worked as an assistant to geriatrics, search and rescue of shipwrecks, before the meat factory and trade in automobiles. Then he came to Portugal where, always, he worked in real estate.
--- As for his wife, Dxxx MURAT, from whom he is in the process of divorce, he met her when he was 19 years old, in the south of the United Kingdom, resulting from that relationship a daughter born in 2002. Besides his wife he never had many lasting relationships, only fleeting situations. He is separated since 2005, which corresponds to his return to Portugal, together with her. After the separation his wife returned to England, he believes in August, with their daughter, Sxxxx MURAT. He only returned to see his daughter when he went to the United Kingdom in October and November of that same year. In May, June of 2006, he went back to the United Kingdom to see his daughter, which is repeated once again in November, though he says that in this time gap he made another visit, but cannot be sure. Again he made a further visit in December, in time for Christmas. Earlier this year he visited in January, returning to Portugal on May 01, the public holiday. When he goes to the United Kingdom he stays in the residence of his Grandmother or sister.
--- Generally, his movement to Portugal was to hold several meetings in order to form the company, MICHAELA was also involved in this activity, which was always linked to real estate. He states that she was in the UK with the respondent, accompanied by her daughter on three occasions.
--- His Mother, receives a pension from Portugal and England, a total of €700, having means [assets] through inheritance and sale of a property.
--- Currently his closest female friend is MICHAELA WALCZUCH, with whom he worked in the company "Remax" in April 2005, beginning the close friendship a few months later. With her he is trying to open a company [firm] in the real estate business, which will be named ROMIGEN, already owning a website. It is with her that he passes his leisure time, usually walking. Speaking about the Internet, he uses this tool to contact Michaela, and for visiting sites of a sexual nature, in particular - www.redclouds.com - to which he does not access daily.
--- He has several e-mail addresses, namely:
[6 e-mail addresses edited out]
--- With respect to Michaela, she has e-mail addresses:
[3 e-mail addresses edited out]
--- As regards his daily life, he said he made several meetings with business partners, or future partners, it being that these meetings are conducted at restaurants or at the residence of Michaela, located at Rua Adelina ... Lagos.
--- During the previous week, 09 May, he intended to return to the United Kingdom, but has not done so due to the disappearance of the child, since he was already helping the authorities. He changed the flight to Saturday 12th of his own accord, and for the same reason, at the request of Police, he said, once again he changed the journey [for his return to England] to the 19th. The first change in the trip cost the respondent 41 pounds.
The Second amendment had no cost, as he explained the situation to the operator "Flybe." The trip to the UK was for the restoration of his house, and a medical consultation scheduled for the 14th.
--- Asked, he uses his mother's cars, VW Transporter, whose number plate is he does not know, and "Skoda Fabia", does not know the registration, which is in the repair shop "Autojoteca", next to Torre, Lagos. Currently and given that his mother uses the VW at the stand that she has set up in Luz, he rented a Hyundai Getz, at the cost to his Mother.

--- Relating to the events under investigation, he said he arrived on May 01 at 09:30 at the airport in Faro, coming from the city of Exeter, which has an airport. His address, that is the home of his grandmother that he is restoring, is at Sidmouth in Devon. His sister lives in two different locations, both in Exeter.
--- At the airport he was met by his mother, in the VW that the respondent drove. He went to a petrol station at the airport exit, that had closed the toilets. He didn't eat anything ot fill up the car. He then drove to the A22, where he stopped at the first service station on the way, M24. He drank a "galão" [a typical breakfast drink comprising 50% coffee and 50% hot milk] as did his mother. He ate a meat pie and his mother a "folhado misto" [a cheese and ham croissant]. They resumed the journey, having stopped at another M24 station [NOTE: "M24" is the name of the 24 hour convenience shops at many GALP service stations], where they drank coffee. Soon after they went directly to Casa Liliana in Luz, where he arrived at 11:30-12:00. Soon after and without unpacking his suitcase or entering his home, he went in the VW to see Michaela at her house in Lagos, about 12:00-12:30, where he took some gifts for both mother and

daughter. He remained in her house, he thinks, until 15:00-15:30, having offered the gifts and talked with the entire family, including the father Luís António, in addition to drinking tea. He does not remember having eaten lunch, or if someone else had lunch. He said goodbye to those present, left the apartment and drove himself home, where he arrived at 16:00. He does not remember having gone to another place, before arriving at his residence. Once at home, he does not know if he went out again.
--- The following day (02/05), he got up around 09:00 and left home by 10:00-10:30. He went to Lagos in the VW, to the home of Michaela, where he arrived at 10.40 am. He entered her house, where she was alone. He remained there for a short time talking. They left there and went in the VW to the centre of Lagos. He parked in one of the streets and went to the residence of FRANCISCO PAGARETE, who was not there, but his girlfriend Sonia was there. Next he went to meet his future real estate partners in their shop, called "Putos and Graúdos", located in Lagos, not knowing the street, whose line of business is the sale of clothing and is owned by JORGE S. He does not know the time. After the meeting in the store they went to a café, but does not know the name, now four people - the respondent, Michaela, Jorge S. and his son Jason. Soon after went to another café, located in Lagos Marina, less noisy, where they talked about business. He consumed a "galão" drink, but does not know if the others did. The bill was paid by MICHAELA in the first café, he thinks, and he has no idea who paid in the second. In that café they spent some time until 13:50-14:00.

After the Marina they walked back to the VW and then had lunch in the restaurant "Bem Bom" in Lagos, this time only with Michaela, where he arrived a little after 14:00. He ate roast meat. Lunch ended by 15:15-15:20, they went to the school of Cxxxxxxx (daughter of Michaela, who is 8 years of age) in order to collect her, they arrived five minutes later. They went
again to the home of PAGARETE, who this time was at home. They were talking next to the VW, to Michaela about the divorce and the respondent about buildings [properties]. He does not remember the time that he left from there. He returned to MICHAELA's house in Lagos, with her and her daughter. He entered the apartment. He does not know what they did or talked about. He remained in the apartment, with the mother and daughter for a long time, LUÍS having arrived by 21:00 or shortly after, when they were having dinner of pork or turkey. He left Michaela's home about 22:30-23:00, got the VW and went to his house in Luz, parking the vehicle in front of house. He spoke with his mother who was awake. He is certain that he remained at home until the next morning. Turned on the computer and played cards, going to sleep at 01:00-01:30.
--- On 03 awakened at 08:00-09:00, took a bath, dressed and drank some tea. Left home at 10:00, got the VW and presumes having gone to Lagos to see Michaela. He does not know where he parked the VW. He went up to the apartment, rang the bell, Michaela opened the door. Only Michaela was at home. The talked about the website for their real estate project in the lounge and the kitchen for a long time. The two left the apartment around 12:00 in the VW. They took the road towards Portimão and before Odiáxere, they went round the access roundabout to the A22, direction Portimão - Lagos. Ten to fifteen minutes after leaving the apartment, they came the petrol pumps of the Galp-M24, on the A22, where they had lunch, he does not remember what and for less than an hour. They left the pump station and returned to the apartment, where they were once again talking about various things. They collected Cxxxxxxx from school in the VW at 15.30 and the three met with Jorge Sxxxx and his son, he does not know where, but believes it was at the Lagos Marina. There they went into a café, whose name he can't recall, next to a play area for children, where Cxxxxxxx played. They spoke about "Romigen" and the meeting finished late, perhaps by 18:00-19:00. Everybody left together, went to the VW which was parked in the car park at the rear of the Marina, they gave a ride to Jorge S. and his son to the bus station, next to the CTT in the city centre Lagos. Then he went to the home of MICHAELA, close to 19.00. He said farewell to them in the VW and headed for his residence, where he arrived between 19.15 and 19.30. He parked the VW in front of the house and entered. He does not know if his mother was at home, but thinks so because it was late for her to walk the dogs, as they usually leave at 17:00 and return at 19.00. After entering, he may have taken some tea and turned on the TV or it was already on. He may also have read a newspaper. He talked with the mother, who if she was not there had arrived shortly afterwards, about Romigen. He ate a sandwich of cheese and ham sitting in the kitchen with his mother, until 22:00 or 23:00. Contrary to what he said originally, he was not with MICHAELA when she went to a Jehovah witnesses' meeting between 20:00 and 22:00, which is why he didn't phone her, because she turns her phone off. He does not know if he called her after 22:00, but accepts that possibility. He does not remember having used the computer. He was home with his mother, when at 22:30 or a little later, he heard a siren of an ambulance or police. He commented on that with his mother, however, did not leave the house to investigate. He did not leave again until the morning, having gone to bed around midnight.
--- On Friday, 04/05, woke around 09:00, took a bath, went to the kitchen to his mother, the latter told him that something terrible had happened, because a child had disappeared in Praia da Luz, according to 'Sky News' that she had been watching. At once the respondent and his Mother went to look in the garden, walled with a fence of 1m in height, checking if the child had managed to enter, which in a way was almost impossible without aid. In one corner of the garden is a greenhouse, which was searched, and then they saw an English passer-by on the outside, he does not know the identity. When asked about this, he was told that the child had disappeared. Accompanied by that person, he went to the place of the disappearance, and was introduced to the parents of the child, as he spoke the two languages, Portuguese and English. Assumes that the passer-by would be staying at the Luz Ocean Club, in the block opposite the home of the respondent. This individual already knew the parents of MADELEINE, or met them at the time. He started a conversation with the family of the child, offering to help. Together with an officer of the GNR and an employee of the resort with several keys, entered several apartments, opened with the keys or by the tenants in order to locate the child. Some of the apartments were closed and there were no keys, these sites were flagged by the GNR man.

--- At that time he met John Hill, manager of MARK WARNER, who supplied them with more keys to other apartments.
--- Prior to this occasion, he did not know the interior of the "Ocean Club", only entering the resort after the disappearance.
--- In the meantime the tracker dogs arrived that undertook a more rigorous form of search.
--- Then, having told several of the present people, including officers of the GNR, that he spoke two languages, he was taken to some places to make verbal translations for people who wanted to testify, remaining in that role during the afternoon. On the evening of that day by 19:00-19:30 went to see Michaela, returning to Luz about 23:00-23:30.

--- On Saturday he continued the verbal translations next to the GNR mobile police station, making various contacts with the press, and that night went again to Lagos.
--- When asked he said the relationship with the press was somewhat troubled.
--- He clarifies therefore, that on the Sunday he spoke to the wife of Batista, owner of the supermarket, not knowing her name, asking her to leave the establishment open in order to supply the people who were there. The supermarket did not stay open due to lack of members of staff, however they gave several litres of water that were placed at the entrance of Block 5. He also asked John Hill that electricity would be supplied to the mobile GNR police station.

--- At some point on Monday, a well-known acquaintance since the age of twelve years, named GAYNOR Exxxxxx, told him that he was the main suspect among the journalists. Subsequently he learned that she was working for "Sky", with a journalist, and she was told that they were comparing with a case of homicide that occurred in the United Kingdom, in which two girls had been killed and that the perpetrators of the crime were close to the place of the investigation. From then on he refused to speak with journalists and alerted the the Police to this. That refusal [of his] was to not provide his full name, nor to allow the taking of a photograph.
--- He said he had pornography on the computer. He has pictures with women over 18 years. He has no photographs of men. Just naked women, not sexually explicit, not remembering if they were using phallic objects. He has no record of violent sex, or sadomasochism or submission. He does not have images of rape, or fetishes with children or animals. He does not use an encrypted external server or encrypted content.

--- Asked he said he has nothing to do with the disappearance of the child, nor anything about this case.
--- Asked he clarified that never has anyone accessed, without his authorization, his computer systems, a total of three, one an ACER (which has the Vista operating system installed), another an ASUS brand and his own an LG, these two systems having the XP operating system installed. That the computer systems were interconnected and shared the access to the
INTERNET through an ADSL MODEM-ROUTER, by mere chance, by choice of his mother. That the contract for access to the INTERNET was signed by his mother with the company supplying INTERNET services, from Portugal TELECOM, named "SAPO". Asked he said he does not see himself as an expert in computing and communications but these are areas that are not unknown to him, given that he had his first computer some ten years ago. That the current ADSL Modem-Router equipment is, as far as he recalls, an SMC brand and it makes it possible to operate a network of computers, via "network-without-wires." [WiFi; wireless networking]. Asked, he responded that the computer systems he had in his house, have clocks, date and time, set to
the official time; that he does not know [how] to explain why the clock of the equipment that permitted him to connect to the INTERNET, the SMC ADSL modem-router, was unsynchronized. That this is due to the fact of it having been to an outside company, "125 computers", with its main office or place of business in the town of Mexilhoeira-Grande. That regarding the remaining computers it was the declarer who had configured them. That on the computer systems in question were installed normal programs. Asked about what he considers to be normal programs, he said they would be the operating system and work tools typical of the Microsoft family, such as word processing, spreadsheet, the Internet browser (Internet Explorer) or anti-virus programs. That his commercial activity is in the area of real estate, promoting and making it pay through advertising homes for sale on the INTERNET and that the programs installed in the computers were in accordance with [needed for] his commercial activity. Asked about if, unlike the normal programs that he described, he had kept or had had installed on his systems [any] abnormal or peculiar [strange] programs, he replied that he only has a program called "CCCleaner" for the improvement of the performance of the system, not retaining programs that erase traces of child pornography. That that program "CCCleaner" was installed by his son three years ago, which statement [for the record] the respondent corrects and declares that his son informed him of the existence of the "CCCleaner" program years before, it having been the declarer who installed it on the XP systems. That he does not know the full potential of the "CCCleaner" program, particularly those that are said in this deposition by the declarer: erasing the history of navigation in INTERNET, of temporary files, exchange of files, recently used documents, register [record] of applications (registry), the various registry files (log's), the "garbage can" or "recycle bin"; asked about the effects of deleting the program, said he was not an expert on the subject and does not know the program well. Asked how he does not know well the effects of the program, if he has known it for more than three years, he said that he is not expert. Asked if he uses cryptography on his computers, he said categorically not. Asked if he would use strong encryption in the Internet browser, [he said] he does not use encrypted communications on the Internet and in his computer system. That he does not use nor has encrypted data in his systems, nor used enciphering to mask, hide or to prevent access to data contained in his systems. Asked if he uses encryption or enciphering in e-mail communications, he declared: that he did not know what it is or how to use encryption. Asked about how he could justify the presence of several encrypted or enciphered files, of credentials to access programs, in his systems, seeing he is an experienced user with more than ten years in the use of personal computers and no-one else had access to his network without authorization, he said: "I would not know how to justify that."

Asked how he explains the contradiction of maintaining a contradiction between the maintenance of his network unprotected or "open" and his experience that must be telling him to act to the contrary in respect of the security of his network, he said "not to have thought of that."

No more was said ...

With many thanks to Albym
See also http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/R ... tm#p8p1947

Processo, Volume VIII, pages 1947-1956 (10 pages)

WITNESS STATEMENT (2 of 3) OF ARGUIDO: ROBERT MURAT

Date: 2007/07/10; Time: 10:00; Location: DIC Portimao
Officer: Paulo F., Inspector.

Defender: Dr. Francisco Pagarete
Credentials no. 498F
Office: Rua Conselheiro Joaquim Machado, 37

The constitution of defendant status and the formalities provided for in Articles 58 and 196 of the CPP have been met in this case.
He was warned that the lack of response or falsehood about his identity and criminal background does incur criminal liability.

Name: ROBERT JAMES QUERIOL EVELEIGH MURAT

Asked if he wanted to respond to the facts that are imputed against him, he responded:
---- Yes, he intends to respond to the questions that are going to be put to him.
---- Despite having British nationality he understands perfectly the Portuguese language both spoken and written therefore the presence of a translator is not necessary in this interview.
---- Asked if he confirms his previous testimony he responded that because on the day the interrogation was conducted he was very tired and does not remember exactly what was said at that time, that is he recalls in general terms what he said, but does not remember the detail of some statements.
---- His previous declarations having been read to him he confirmed having made them, however it is his wish to amend some of affirmations that were made then [at that time] as he had confused some events, in particular in what he said with respect to the dates and times of what happened. He stated events that he said had happened on Wednesday 02 and that now he more calmly recalls them having happened on Thursday and vice versa. There are also other events that he now recalls happened in those two days in particular that he wants to disclose.
---- Further in what he said with respect to the days before and those subsequent he confirms the facts reported in the previous interrogation, giving them as if fully reproduced for this present interview.
---- He intends to clarify that when he stated having lived at various locations in England, instead of Norfolk, Devon - Sidford and Norwich he would like to say Norwich, Norfolk, that corresponds to the house where he lived with his ex-wife, Dxxx, his daughter Sxxxx and his adopted son Dxxxx, namely in the locality of Hockering ... Norfolk, and when he
said Devon Sidford he would like to say Sidmouth, Devon which corresponds to the house previously of his grandmother, now owned by his mother, located in Sidmouth, Devon, Ex..., it being that the Ex corresponds to the post code of region's principal city which is Exeter, located about 20 km from the town of Sidmouth.
---- He intends to clarify that he has no accounting qualification. In truth when he worked in car sales firms, called INCHCAPE and NISSAN, in Norwich, he attended professional training courses aimed at the sales sector.
---- He clarifies that when he said that after the death of his father he returned to Portugal, he would like to say that he returned to England because on that occasion [at that time] he was living with his mother in Portugal.
---- He wants to clarify that now he is already divorced from Dxxx since 04 July 2007.
---- He states that when he travels to the United Kingdom he is housed in the home of his sister Sxxxxxxx MURAT, or in the home of her boyfriend, both mentioned in the previous record of the interrogation, or in the house that was previously their grandmother's, now deceased.
---- He wants also to clarify that in fact Michaela accompanied him three times to the United Kingdom and her daughter, Cxxxx Sxxxx Walczuch Ant�nio, only accompanied them once, namely at the time of Christmas of 2006.
---- The trip to the United Kingdom that he intended to make on 09 May was based on the fact of him having booked there a medical consultation and he intended to stay in the house that was previously his grandmothers.
---- The defendant intended to clarify that on the morning of 02 [May] he did not leave the house by 10:00-10:30, as stated previously but in fact he had met with Sergey Malinca on 02 [May], Wednesday, in the Baptista supermarket, at 10:00, he having arrived 15 to 20 minutes before and accompanied by Michaela whom he had gone to collect at her home in the VW. They talked about the Romigen web site that Sergey was setting up. The meeting lasted about 30 minutes and in the end Sergey left alone with the accused and Michaela having proceeded to Lagos.
---- Asked for what reason he had not previously remembered this meeting, given that he had said previously that that morning he had left the house by 10:00-10:30, he said now that on the date of the first interrogation he was "rattled" and had not remembered this fact.
---- To this point he wants to say that on the day prior to his interrogation he went to bed around 03:00, having up to that time accompanied officers of the PJ, namely Inspector Reis Sxxxxx, who invited him for coffee in the bar Bom Vivant, where they remained until about that hour he being certain that he was woken up at 07:00 when PJ officers went to his house. So he had slept for only about 4 hours and was therefore very tired.
---- In truth after the meeting he proceeded with Michaela to Lagos, as he had affirmed in the previous interrogation. He wants also to clarify in this interview that before they had gone to Francisco Pagarete's house they were both at Caixa Agr�cola [a bank in Portugal]. There the defendant made a cash deposit, of [English] pounds, into his account. He does not remember the exact amount deposited but thinks that it would be about one hundred or so pounds. In this interview [for the record] the defendant confirmed through the reading of a tally slip that that deposit was exactly an amount of 287.51 Euros. He states that when he was in England he withdrew this amount, from an Automated Teller Machine (ATM), from an account of his or his mother's that he/she has in Lloyds bank with the objective of coming later to deposit it in his account at Caixa de Cr�dito Agr�cola. Asked he states that usually he has with him debit and credit cards of his mother.
---- Later the defendant and Michaela went to the home / office of Dr. Francisco Pagarete, on foot, given that that residence is situated about 200 meters from the bank. It would have been about 11:00-11:30 when he found Dr. Francisco Pagarete in his home. Since he [FP] had not been telephoned by him [RM], using his mobile phone 91918xxxx, it was then agreed to meet later.
---- For reason of accuracy he now says that the meeting that happened afterwards was not with four persons but with five, that is Michaela, Jorge Sxxxx, Jason, another son of Jorge and the defendant himself.
---- Also he clarifies that before having been with Dr. Francisco, already during the afternoon, the defendant and Michaela went to collect Cxxxxxxxx at school who then accompanied them during all the rest of the day. He refers therefore that after having been with Dr. Francisco they did not go directly to the home of Michaela, having instead gone to the marina of Lagos where they had met again with Jorge Sxxxx, and his son where they continued the conversation about the company that they intend to make. It was at this time that Cxxxxxxxx was allowed to play in an playground behind the caf� where they were. He does not remember the exact time that they left the caf� but he knows that when they had left there the owners of the caf� where they had been closed the doors of establishment. He recalls that he gave Jorge Sxxxx and his son a ride in his VW van to the bus stop located next to the post office, where they left them, the defendant, Michaela and Cxxxxxxxx having then proceeded to Michaela's house. He remembers that when they arrived there Michaela began to prepare the dinner so it would have been about 20:00.
---- He states not being sure about having seen Lu�s arriving that night at Michaela's house. He affirms that around 22:30-23:00 he left from the home of Michaela having gone directly to his home, that is to Casa LILIANA, where he will have arrived by 22:45-23:15. He does not remember having stopped anywhere nor having spoken with anybody on that journey and he took the route that he usually takes passing by Intermarch� [a super/hypermarket chain in Portugal] and by the Total petrol station. He is sure that he left the van parked in the street, that is in front of the house, because he always does that when he uses the van.
---- Again questioned, he states with absolute certainty that on the night of 02 May, after leaving the home of Michaela, he went directly to his home. Once in the village of Luz he only stopped the car next to the gate and entered his home immediately.
---- Having been informed in this interview that around 15:44 on 02 May he made a telephone call to the number 91822xxxx, which corresponds to the phone of Dr. Francisco Pagarete, he confirms that in fact, before driving to his
[FP's] office/home, he [RM] had contacted him [FP] to know if he was there, [that] was what happened. For the rest of what happened that day he confirms what he stated in the previous interrogation, reaffirming that in truth he spoke with his mother, who was still awake, and that he connected the computer having stayed awake until about 01:00-01:30. In this regard he affirms it to be normal [usual] that his mother is still up until about 00:00-01:00, given that only after dealing with some tasks, namely feeding the cats and other chores does she go to bed.
---- He had states that on 02 or 03 May, in the afternoon, for matters related with business, he visited two apartments of the same owner, located at the foot of the "rotunda da bola" [football roundabout/traffic circle] in Lagos. These visits lasted about 20 to 30 minutes and he did them together with Michaela.
---- He also wants now to amend what he previously said about what he did on 03 May. Once again he states that being tired and confused he had stated things that he now sees are not correct. He refers therefore that he will have got up at 08.00 having left home by 08:45. He had already scheduled a business visit to a tourist complex called "Montinhos de Ouro", located in the region of Espiche, which he made in the company of Michaela. So he went to collect Michaela at home, driving the VW. He does not remember if he went up to Michaela's home. He states that that morning they were both in his van at the complex where they had scheduled a meeting at a time he does not recall exactly but thinks it would be by 09:30.
---- They showed up at that location where they met with the father-in-law of the owner of the venture, whose name he does not remember, but knows that he is a builder in Lisbon, since she still had not yet arrived. However the owner of the enterprise arrived and Michaela made conversation with her. Later they went to lunch at the place mentioned in the previous interrogation after which they went to the marina in Lagos where they met with Jorge Sxxxx and his son. Cxxxxxxxx did not accompany them this day. They went to the Palmares Golf where they remained until the time came for them to go to pick up Chnstine, that is 15:00-15:30. Again he gave a ride to Jorge Sxxxx and his son leaving them again at the bus stop next to the post office. From there they proceeded to the school to pick up Cxxxxxxxx and the three went to Michaela's house having arrived by 15:45. They were in Michaela's home until 19.30.
---- He states that about 19:30 he left the home of Michaela alone and went directly to his house. He took the same route the day before and is absolutely certain that he did not stop anywhere.
---- For the rest of what he said about this day during the 1st interrogation he maintains all its content. He adds, however, that in the meantime he consulted on the Internet his mobile phone billing and found that on that night he made two calls which he had not remembered having made. At 23:39 to the number of Sergey Malinca and another at 23:40 to the number of Michaela. He does not remember, however, having made these calls nor having spoken to those people although he admits he had.
---- Further to what he said about Friday morning he intends to change the time that he woke up. In listings of his fixed phone it says that he made a call to Michaela at 08:27, which he presumes he must have done, despite not remembering the contents of the conversation nor even having made that call, and therefore he did not wake at 09:00 but before that time.
---- After the opportunity having been given to the defendant to amend facts and information that he had stated in the first interrogation, he was questioned about other matters.
---- In this interview the defendant was shown the list of contacts obtained from the calendar/address book of his mobile phone and PDA previously examined by the PJ, and he was asked to clarify who those people are which was done as follows:
PDA-
Michaela Empre: MW. 282..., telephone number installed in the home of Michaela;
Michaela reside: MW. 919..., the number of phone Michaela;
Michaela MW. 960..., number of Michaela's mobile;
Lithografi L: 966..., number of the graphics/printing company in Albufeira, this company undertakes the printing for
Romigen;
Samantha SM: 441..., phone in his sister's house ... in Exeter Devon;
Richard Resid RM: 441..., phone in his brother's house ... in Warwick;
Neil N: 447..., is not sure but thinks this is the mobile phone number of a former co-worker of Nissan, Norwich;
Samantha SM: 447..., mobile of his sister;
Richard RM: 447..., mobile of his brother;
Mike Wxxxxxx MW: 491..., telephone of Michaela's brother who lives in Germany;
Ian CI: 139..., phone in the Mr Ian Cxxxxx's house ...in Exeter, "ansiao" of the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in Exeter with whom he maintains a close relationship because he had been his Bible teacher in Exeter;
Michaela car MW 778..., mobile that Michaela used when she was in England;
Dawn D 790..., mobile of his ex-wife, but this has been changed recently;
Checo C 792..., mobile of a friend called M.R.C., who lives in England, where he is an accountant in the NHS, they have known each other since childhood and contact each other with some frequency;
Raj R 797..., mobile of a boy he met when he was helping in the search for Madeleine with whom he spoke for some time, he has not talked to him since;
Ian IC 797..., Ian Cxxxx as previously said;
Z� Montinho ZM 282..., a car repair workshop used by his mother;
Jenny Resid JM: 282..., his mother's telephone;
Vital Rxxxxxx VR 912..., mobile of a Jehovah's Witness whom he met through Michaela, name Vital Rxxxxxx, resident in Lagos, with whom he does not maintain close contact;
Manuel Mxxx MM: 914... mobile of Mr Manuel Mxxx, whom he met professionally and with whom he has met about twice;
Serge S: 914..., mobile of Sergey Malinca with whom he maintains a professional relationship;
Ricardo Hxxx RH: 914..., mobile of Ricardo Hxxxxxxxx, a former colleague in Remax, currently not in contact with him;
Sara Nxxxx SN: 916..., mobile of a colleague in Remax with whom he has no current relationship;
Nuno Bxxxxx NB: 916..., mobile of Nuno Bxxxxx, married to the former manager of Remax in Lagos, with whom he was a friend but currently not in contact;
Rita Dxxxxx RD: 9163xxxxx, mobile of an Irish girl he met about 2 years ago at a fashion event who then worked with Michaela in Centry 21, with whom he has no contact nor knows where she lives;
Sonia Cxx SC: 917..., mobile of Sonia Cxxxxxx, a former manager of Remax of Lagos, former wife of Nuno Bxxxxx;
JM Jenny: 917..., mobile of his mother;
S�nia Cx CYC: 918..., another mobile number of Sonia Cxxxxxx;
Luis A LA 919..., husband of Michaela;
Tina Infa TI 934..., mobile of the nursery that the daughter of Michaela attended in 2006;
Laura Cxxxxxxx LC 939..., seamstress in Lagos to whom he turned several times for small clothing [business] deals;
Robbie Murat RM: 960..., he thinks that is the mobile number he used when he worked for Remax;
Telma Nxxxx TN: 961..., a former colleague Remax with whom he has no relationship;
Lita Oxxxxxx L0 962..., mobile of Lita Oxxxxxxxx a former colleague in Remax, mother of Ricardo Hxxxxxxxx, no contact;
Rui Cxxxxx RC 963..., mobile of a former colleague of Remax with whom he currently has no contact; when they worked together, between June 2005 and early 2006, they were friends and travelled to Germany twice together to find cars for market;
Luis Sxxxxx LS: 964..., old colleague in Remax who is not in contact;
Pedro Mxxxxx PM: 964..., Manager of Century 21 in Lagos who is not in contact, they only spoke on professional matters;
Aunt Mxxx TM: 966..., Filomena Sxxxxx, Michaela's aunt who lives in Lisbon whom they have visited two or three times;
Lindsay Gr L: 967..., he does not remember who this person is;
Prazeres R PR: 967..., a friend of his and Michaela who resides in Lagos with whom they have a close relationship but it has been many months since they got together;
Lurdes Mxxxx LM: 967..., Lurdes Mxxxxxx a former colleague in Remax who is not in contact;
Tania Rxx TR 968..., a colleague in Remax who is not in contact;
Z� ZC: 969..., he thinks this Jos� Nxxxx, a colleague in Remax who is not in contact;
Veronica Fxx VF 969..., colleague in Remax who is not in contact;
Romigen R does not know why he put this in his agenda but it is the name of the firm he plans to implement.
---- Regarding the agenda of the phone he states that:
Michaela 919... is Michaela's mobile;
Michaela 282... is Michaela's fixed line at her home;
Michaela 960... is another mobile of Michaela;
Anna 447... is the mobile of his niece, daughter of Samantha;
Chris 447... is the mobile of his former boss at Inchcape, the car firm in Norwich, Chris Sxxxxx, with whom he remains friends and has sporadic contacts;
Dawn 447... is the former mobile of his ex wife;
Dawn 441... is the current fixed phone of his ex wife;
Elena 966... is a friend, solicitor with offices in Portimao and Monchique with whom he maintains close links but they have not met for some time;
Elena 282... is the telephone at the house of his solicitor friend;
Lucy 916... is Lucy Cxxxxxxx's mobile, his mother's house maid but with whom he is friends;
Lucy 282... is the phone in the home of Lucy;
Maria 968... is the phone of the wife of former colleague and friend Rui Cxxxxxxx already mentioned;
Nelson 968... is a friend, Nelson Pxxxxxx, living in Lisbon, whom he has known since the age of 16 but meets only sporadically;
Rob 969... he does not remember this number;
Rob 919... is his current mobile number;
Celly 917... is the current contact for his aunt Sally Exxxxxxx;
Celly 282... is the phone at the house of his aunt above;
Sonia Cxxxxxx 918... is the former manager of Remax in Lagos who is not in contact;
Ant�nio Fxxxxxxxxx 917... is a Civil Constructor in Lagos with whom he has a professional relationship;
Carlos Dxxxx 917... is another house-builder in Lagos with whom he also has a professional relationship;
Diana Mxxx 282... is an American lady who had a home for sale in Praia da Luz with whom he did not do business;
Fernandes 336... it seems to him that this was a potential Spansih client with whom he did not do business;
Manel Cxxxxxx 917... is a civil builder with whom he maintains a professional relationship;
Paulos 964... is a man who had an apartment in Lagos to sell but with whom he did not do business;
Peter Wxxxxx 912... is responsible for a building in Lagos with whom he maintains a professional relationship;
Steve Axxxxxxx 282... no recollection of who this is but probably a client;
Jorge Rxxx 968... it seems that this is a PJ Inspector with whom he spoke during the Madeleine case;
Jo (Sky) 351... he knows this lady, a friend of his uncles who live in Burgau, but with whom he does not and did not maintain any relationship;
Nuno Jxxx 918... he does not remember to whom it belongs;
Jorge CB 914... a builder who maintains a professional relationship;
March Mxxxxxx (without number) is friend of the accused that he knew when he worked at Remax, lives in Lagos and who keeps current relationship;
Paul 125... owner of the firm 125 computers, which did maintenance on his computers;
Skoda 282... is the telephone number of Skoda in Portimao;
Teresa 969... a lady known to Michaela and her husband who performed office organisation services Luis' firm and also provided some help in Romigen;
Valter 918... has a mechanical workshop in Lagos and services cars in particular the VW van;
Pedro Oxxxxxxx 917... he does not recall who this person is;
Reis Sxxxxx 966... is an Inspector of PJ contacted in this process;
Alex 282... is Dr.Alexandra Sxxxxx who has an office in Praia da Luz, whom he contacted when working in Remax;
Dr. Alex 918... mobile of Alexandra Sxxxxx;
Carla 963... Carla Bxxxxxxx, coordinator of Remax in Lagos;
John Nxxxx 917... a former colleague with the Remax who is not related;
Luis Fxxxxxxx 969...a former colleague of Remax who are not relates;
Lurde 967... a former colleague of Remax who is not related;
Nuno Bxxxxx 916... former husband of the former manager of Remax who is not related;
Richard Mxxxx 969... a former colleague of Remax who is not related;
Tania 967... a former colleague of Remax who is not related;
Z� accounting 969... Jose Fxxxx, accountant for Remax who is related in professional terms;
Anja 919... a friend of his and Michaela, lives in Lagos, is German and they relate frequently;
Czech 967... mobile of the son of Mrs Lxxx who he has known for many years and working in England in health services; Dan 918... who takes care of Villa Liliana when there is nobody at home, lives in Praia da Luz;
Dan 282... Dan's home phone;
Glyn 447... mobile of a friend of his aunt who stays with her when he comes to Portugal, lives near London and did not meet with him when he went to England;
Home 282... phone of his home (Casa Liliana);
Luis 919... Luis Axxxxxxx Michaela's husband;
Mum 447... mobile phone that his mother used in England;
Mum 917... mobile of his mother;
Pagarete 918... Dr. Francisco Pagarete is a friend with this gentleman who is also his lawyer;
Rui 969... Rui C. a former colleague of Remax who is not now in contact but with whom he had a close relationship;
Rui 963... another number of Rui Cxxxxxxx;
Serge 914... Sergey Malinca's mobile;
Vital 912... A Jehova's Witness who provided bible lessons;
Carlos Bxxxxx 917... builder in Lagos who keeps a professional relationship;
Catherine 968... friend of his mother who lives in the Pxxxx Gxxxxxx, Praia da Luz;
Maria Sxxxxx 962... (incomplete) sold an apartment to her son when he worked at Remax;
Lloyd Hxxxx 447... sold an apartment to him when he was in Lagos at Remax, has no other relationship with him;
Mike Hxxxxxx 918... had professional relationship with this gentleman;
Paul Axxxxxxx 917... has a ruin in Aljezur and is related in professional terms, is a friend of his brother Richard;
Roger 447... and 447... does not recall who this person is;
Vitor 962... it seems that this is the Vitor that had an apartment and a shop for sale in Lagos whom he met while working at Remax;
Jorge Sxxxx 282... Jorge Sxxxx's office in Lagos, person with whom he intends to form a partnership;
Mark resident 917... manager of the newspaper Algarve Resident whom he met through his involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine, does not maintain contact;
Consulate 282.490.750 British Consulate in Portimao;
Lili Bxxx 918... was manager of the Caixa Agr�cola in Praia da Luz, does not maintain relations with her;
Michael Gxxxxx 282... is not sure but it will be the number of the house of a boy who he met about two years ago, was employee of a restaurant in Lagos and currently are not in contact;
Pedro 966... and 282... and 913... does not remember who this person is;
Sonia Vxxxxx 917... Dr. Pagarete's girlfriend, a friend;
Tom Hxxxxxx 969... seller of advertising space in the newspaper Portugal News, only relates to professionally;
Z� Fxxxxxx 917... man providing firewood;
Pxxxxxxx 967... friend who lives in Lagos;
Saly 965... owner of the "big house" in Burgau with whom he has had a relationship for many years;
Saly 447... Saly's mobile in England;
Anica 966... former colleague from Remax who is not related;
Delfim 963... representative of Remax in Lagos who is related in professional term;
Larysa 969... ex colleague of Remax who is not related;
Luis Sxxxxx 964... a former colleague of Remax who is not related;
Marisa 969... a former colleague of Remax who is not related;
Remax 282... Remax shop in Lagos;
Sandra 967... a former colleague of Remax with whom he relates from time to time;
James 916... a former colleague of Remax who is not related.
---- In this interview, at 19.30, notification is given that interrogation of the arguido is ended and will continue tomorrow, notice of that session having already been given to him as well as to his defence attorney.
---- That session will take place at 10:00 in the premises of the Department of Criminal Investigation of Portimao.

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Volume VIII, pages 1959-1964 (6 pages)

WITNESS STATEMENT (3 of 3) OF ARGUIDO: ROBERT MURAT

Date: 2007/07/11; Time: 10:00; Location: DIC Portim�o
Officer: Paulo F., Inspector.

Defence attorney: Dr. Francisco Pagarete
Credentials no.: 498F
Office: Rua Conselheiro Joaquim Machado

The constitution of defendant status and the formalities provided for in Articles 58 and 196 of the CPP have been met in this case.
He was warned that the lack of response or falsehood about his identity and criminal background does incur criminal liability.

Name: ROBERT JAMES QUERIOL EVELEIGH MURAT

Asked if he wanted to respond on the facts that are imputed against him, he responded:
---- Yes, he intends to continue to answer the questions that will be put to him.
---- Relating to the listing of phone numbers obtained from the agenda of his mobile, that was present yesterday with him, he remembers now that the numbers for Roger 447... and 447... are mobile phone numbers of two partners who buy and sell land with whom he is related professionally.
---- Asked he says that before the events under investigation in this inquiry he was in England for about a month, carrying out the reconstruction of the house that was previously his grandmothers and is now his mothers. He made this trip at the request of his mother, given that they had agreed that he would carry out the repair in exchange for his mother investing in Romigen.
---- The trip, as well as all the money used in reconstruction, were the costs of his mother.
---- While in England he basically associated with his relatives who reside near there, the sister, the brother-in-law, the nephews, as well as with his friend of long-standing M.R.C. (Checo) who also resides in the area (Exeter).

---- There the defendant lived in the house of his mother. During his stay in that place he continued to make contacts, via the Internet, with the future partners Jorge Sxxxx and Jason, as well as with Michaela.
---- Questioned he affirms that he does not remember for certain if he contacted in that way, or any other, Sergey Malinca, he being sure that that, in doing so, such messages or contacts with Sergey are kept on his computer given that he does not remember having deleted anything off the computer. The computer that he used in England is one of those that were subsequently seized during the search carried out at his home.
---- During the contacts that he made with the future partners it happened that the negotiations stalled. Therefore he decided to travel to Portugal to try to progress that matter because he believed that that could only be done personally.
---- He made the travel reservation to Portugal for 01 May. This reservation was made through the Internet, having used the site www.flybe.com.
---- Questioned he answered that the reservation was made exactly for 01 May, being sure that he did not anticipate/advance nor anticipate/advance such a reservation.
---- The night before the trip he slept in his brother-in-law Steve's home, where his sister and nephews also were.
---- He recalls that the flight that brought him from Exeter to Faro airport was in the morning, and it was his sister Samantha who drove him to the airport.
---- Questioned he affirms that during his stay in England he did not contact with any of the people who he later came to find here in Portugal, namely those who were involved in the disappearance of Madeleine. He is not aware that any of his family has made any contacts or know any of those people, namely anyone close to the McCann couple.
---- Having been asked for the record if on the night that Madeleine disappeared he was in the Ocean Club helping in the searches and in contact with several people, about 23h30 to 24h00, the defendant replied categorically that he was not. He affirms that he was not on that night helping in searches given that, as he had stated he did not leave the house from 19h30 on 03 May until the morning of 04 May.
---- For the record, at 12:00 noon, this interrogation was interrupted in order to proceed with an interview of confrontation between the defendant and witnesses RACHEL MARIAMMA JEAN MAMPILLY, RUSSEL JAMES O'BRIEN, and FIONA
ELAINE PAYNE, the competent document having been drawn up.
---- After that diligence and for the record, 12:40, this interrogation is interrupted to continue opportunely.
---- At 14:30 the present interview was restarted.
---- Questioned the defendant reaffirms that in truth on the afternoon of 03 May he arrived at Casa Liliana around 19:00/19:30 having left the VW stopped in front of the house, that is outside the property, immediately entering into the property. Questioned he does not remember the clothes he was wearing at the time. Nor does he remember if his mother was at home or not. Nor does he recall in detail what he did. He remembers that at one time he spoke with his mother, however he cannot recall whether she arrived meanwhile or she was already there. He remembers that they were sitting in the kitchen and the defendant remembering that he ate, how long with his mother he does not remember. Confronted with the testimony of his mother who told that she arrived at the house around 20.30 and that Robert had also arrived at that moment, he says that he cannot account

for having arrived at the same time as his mother.
---- Questioned he says that when he heard the sound of a siren he was with his mother in the kitchen, still talking, it would be about 22:00/22:30, the time he estimates taking into account that they had the television on. Questioned he said not to recall if the sound was continuous or discontinuous. He remembers only that at that time there was the sound of voices from both their talk and the sound of television, not recalling other sounds in the background. He remembers well having heard that sound given that after it he commented to his mother that it seemed that he was in her house in England given that there he assiduously heard the sound of sirens. He was not aware of other noises namely raised voices or the dogs barking outside the property.
---- Questioned about if he considers it normal or abnormal the fact of not having made nor received calls on his mobile phone between 15:00 on 02 May until the night of 03 May he said that that fact seems normal to him since in that period of time he had been accompanied by Michaela she being the person with whom he usually speaks to on the phone. However, he states that he had assumed no purposeful position [given no thought to] that that fact had happened.
---- Questioned he states that he rented a grey Hyundai car on Saturday, 12 May, from the Auto Rent firm in Praia da Luz. He thinks that he picked up the car in the afternoon of that day. This car was returned by his mother on Tuesday 15th of that month. Basically he used the car in the area of Lagos and Portim�o. He did not leave the Algarve with it. He does not remember how many kilometres he drove with the car, however he estimates about 100 to 200 at most. He informs having rented it because his mother was using the VW in the information table [she had set up] and the Skoda was in the workshop and he had no other means of transport. Confronted with the fact that there is information that that car had done 700 km during the rental period, he says this is not true. He denies having gone so many kilometres in that car, adding that to have more mileage than what he indicated that this will be an error of whoever read the mileage [odometer], the defendant was the only person to use the car.
---- Questioned he says that never in his life has he entered the apartment where Madeleine was when she disappeared, neither before nor after the events under investigation.
---- Questioned if he knows anyone who is the owner of a boat he said that his uncle has a boat stored in the back of his property but that is on land. Last year, when he worked in Remax, he sold an apartment to an English man that he knows is the owner of a boat, but does not know however where this boat would be, nor had he ever seen it. His relationship with this person was strictly professional. There is also a friend of Luis, the husband of Michaela, whom he thinks is called Steve and that he said that he has a boat. The defendant has never seen that boat nor does he even know if that is true or not. He has no contact with this person. Nelson Pxxxxxx, who is in his mobile phone address book, is the son of a man called Carlos Pxxxxxx who is the owner of a vessel that the defendant however never saw nor knows where it is.
---- Asked if on the day of the disappearance of Madeleine or in subsequent days he was in any marina or in any port, he said no, that he was not in any of those places on those days.
---- For the record, the defendant having been shown a photograph in which one can observe the defendant speaking with an individual on '25 de Abril' road, in Praia da Luz, he said that such person is one known to him, a resident of Praia da Luz, who knows Robert, and that he knows him to be of Romanian nationality. He met this individual on an occasion in which he, the Romanian, did some gardening work at Casa Liliana, which he thinks was contracted by his mother. The contact that happened when they were photographed was based on a request that the defendant [should be: the Romanian] made to Robert in the sense of him [RM] making a translation of an appeal in the Romanian language regarding the disappearance of Madeleine.
---- Asked about if at any time he had used used computers in the cyber caf�s either in Praia da Luz or in other places he responded negatively, that is, he had never used computers in those locations. He affirms further that [n]either Michaela [n]or Sergey also [n]ever did so in the presence of the defendant.
---- For the record the defendant was asked if he has had conversations wit any person, besides his lawyer, about the way he could prove his innocence, be it personally, be it by telephone, be it in caf�s, or in any other place, conversations that could conflict with police techniques to prove the guilt or innocence of a person.
---- For the record the defence attorney requested some time to explain the question to the defendant and he was permitted a short break in order for them to converse.
---- Resuming the interrogation the defendant said yes he had spoken about this subject but he did so primarily with the family and with intimate friends. In particular he states that he remembers having spoken with Inspectors of the PJ on an occasion at his home when he asked them if they could, through the antennas of mobile phones, prove that he was at home at a given moment, to which they replied that it would be possible but that he should not be concerned about it because that matter was going to be handled. Questioned he responded that he thinks he had not asked anyone else.
---- For the record it being asked of him if he knows a British police officer by the name of Phill, he answered yes. It also being asked of him if he had not asked this British police officer about the method that British police had to locate a person in a particular place and at a particular time, he said yes. Asked if that conversation was had on a personal level [in person] or by phone he responded that it was personal [in person]. For the record the transcript of of the telephone intercept recorded on pages 1681 to 1690 being shown to him, he states for the record that effectively he continues to not recall having telephoned Phil nor having spoken with him on the phone, although he does recall a
conversation that he had with this individual at the home of his aunt, perhaps in the bar, repeating it in the following manner: He had asked Phil if the Police could locate him in the house through the mobile phone to thus
prove his innocence. Phill had replied that such would depend on the distance from the antennas [masts], namely their active radius. It being asked of the defendant if he had or had not asked [Phil] if he, the defendant, could be located to within a distance of one meter of the place where he was, he responded yes. It being looked for from him the reason for such a question when his home, without the adjacent land, is about 300 square meters not justifying, perhaps, that he had asked the question about the location of the defendant within a meter, unless the defendant had been elsewhere, he did not respond. It being asked of him for what reason he resorted to a British official given that he had already said previously he had good relations with the PJ and GNR, he said that when he asked officers of the PJ it was done to know if that technology was already in the possession of the Portuguese police.
---- He states not remembering if after that contact he had had any further [contact] on this matter with whomever that was.

[NOTE: I have no idea what the next three sentences are talking about. I cannot determine a context so I have given a literal word for word translation.]
---- Asked if later on that he had given an account that the PJ him/it would be, like him defendant, later [following], what the procedure that he/it adopted. He responded that he ended by noting [taking note of] the licence plate of a car and that an officer of the PJ, named Reis Sxxxxx, said to him that the car would not belong [pertain] to this corporation. Questioned he said that all the contours [outlines] of this circumstantialism [all pertinent circumstances] were revealed to Michaela and possibly to other people, either by phone or in person.

---- Having read the statements the defendant intended to clarify that when he refused to answer the question that was put to him on lines 128 and 129, he did it on the advice of his lawyer.
---- The next day the conversation he had with Phill the defendant was again at the home of his aunt where he found Phill and that he said to the defendant that he could not speak more with him about this case given that he was informed by his superiors he could not do so.

Read and found it in agreement, ratifies and will sign.

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08-Processo, Volume V, pages 1957 to 1958

RECORD OF CONFRONTATION

---- On 11 July, at 10:00, in the premises of the Department of Criminal Investigation of the Portimao Judicial Police, before me, Paulo Ferreira, Inspector, and Dr. Guilhermino Encarnacao, Deputy National Director of Judicial Police, appeared the defendant ROBERT JAMES QUERIOL EVELEIGH MURAT, already identified in the file, in order to proceed with his interrogation. Following on [prior] interrogatory work and contradictions having been seen between that which the defendant said and that of the witnesses, RACHEL JEAN MARIAMMA MAMPILLY, RUSSEL JAMES O'BRIEN, and ELAINE FIONA PAYNE, all also duly identified in the file, given that in the depositions of these people there exist clear contradictions with the answers of the defendant, this present work proceeded.
---- This work was conducted in the presence of the defence attorney of the defendant, Dr. Francisco Pagarete, as well as Mrs Carla E., translator and interpreter who translated all the declarations in English and vice versa, that having been started at 12:00.
---- By the first confronter, RACHEL MARIAMMA JEAN MAMPILLY it was said that she confirms her deposition recorded at pages 1212 ff. of the case file, namely that she saw the defendant present in this confrontation at about 23h30 on 03 May 2007 in the circumstances that she makes clear in the [above] document.
---- By the second confronter, RUSSEL JAMES O'BRIEN it was said that he confirms his testimony recorded in pages 1320 and 1321, specifically when it states that he saw the defendant ROBERT MURAT on the night on which occurred the events now under investigation, that is on the night on which Madeleine disappeared, about 01:00 in the early hours of 04 May last, [and] in all the rest he confirms his testimony in what it says with respect to the contact that he had with the defendant.
---- By the third confronter, FIONA ELAINE PAYNE it was said that she confirms her testimony recorded in pages 1323 and 1324, namely when it states that she saw the defendant for the first time, personally, on the night of 03 May about 23h30 outside, next to the door of the McCann apartment in the company of officers of the GNR that in the meantime had already arrived at the place. In all the rest she confirms the "circumstantionalism" [all encompassing circumstances] of the approach that she made to the defendant.
---- By the fourth confronter the accused ROBERT JAMES QUERIOL EVELEIGH MURAT it was said that it is a lie [fabrication] what the other confronters had said because on that night of the disappearance of Madeleine he was not nor had been in that place, not having on the night of 03 May 2007 even gone out of [left] his house.
---- Nothing else was declared by the confronters, this document having been read to them they found it conforms (with their statements made) it is going to be signed by all the participants.