Re: Gonçalo Amaral's books

**AnnaEsse** Thu 22 Mar - 21:50

Krisy22 wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Chris wrote:I thought it was 10 working days from an order dated 14 March. That deadline would run until next Wednesday or possibly Thursday.

Yes, I count 10 working days as ending on Wednesday next week.

Oh Anna ... I am all geared up for Saturday now. Something to happen at last.

Oh dear! 10 working days does take it to Wednesday 28th! Gonçalo Amaral's books - Page 2 868596

**Krisy22** Thu 22 Mar - 22:10

AnnaEsse wrote:
Krisy22 wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Chris wrote:I thought it was 10 working days from an order dated 14 March. That deadline would run until next Wednesday or possibly Thursday.

Yes, I count 10 working days as ending on Wednesday next week.

Oh Anna ... I am all geared up for Saturday now. Something to happen at last.

Oh dear! 10 working days does take it to Wednesday 28th!

Well I suppose we just have to wait a bit longer ... whats a few days compared with the last 5 years of waiting.. for one thing or another to happen. Gonçalo Amaral's books - Page 2 956518

Lillyofthevalley Thu 22 Mar - 22:15

AnnaEsse wrote:
Krisy22 wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Chris wrote:I thought it was 10 working days from an order dated 14 March. That deadline would run until next Wednesday or possibly Thursday.

Yes, I count 10 working days as ending on Wednesday next week.

Oh Anna ... I am all geared up for Saturday now. Something to happen at last.

Oh dear! 10 working days does take it to Wednesday 28th!

Joana Morais said... 105
Isabel Duarte, the McCann couple mandatary and book trustee(appointed by the Civil Court as such) has until the 24th of this month to deliver the 7.500 copies of Gonçalo Amaral's book to the rightful owners,

**Krisy22** Thu 22 Mar - 22:25

Lillyofthevalley wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Krisy22 wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Chris wrote:I thought it was 10 working days from an order dated 14 March. That deadline would run until next Wednesday or possibly Thursday.

Yes, I count 10 working days as ending on Wednesday next week.

Oh Anna ... I am all geared up for Saturday now. Something to happen at last.

Oh dear! 10 working days does take it to Wednesday 28th!

Joana Morais said... 105
Isabel Duarte, the McCann couple mandatary and book trustee(appointed by the Civil Court as such) has until the 24th of this month to deliver the 7.500 copies of Gonçalo Amaral's book to the rightful owners,

Soooo when do we start counting down then. I am very confused although it doesnt take a lot to get me in that state these days.

Oldartform Fri 23 Mar - 13:04

Update on the books restitution:

Update on March 23, 2012
The mandatary and lawyer of the McCann couple, Isabel Duarte, has until the 29th of this month to return the books; the 10 days deadline are not consecutive and are measured as working days. Meanwhile, the lawyer to whom the books were entrusted by the First Instance Civil Court of Lisbon, has been trying to delay the restitution of the books to its rightful owners as ordered by the Supreme Court of Justice alleging that the Court of Appeals judgement did not transit in rem judicatam [unappealable decision/final ruling].

23/03/2012 12:37

**wjk** Fri 23 Mar - 13:08

Right, so it's the 29th March, next Thursday.
At least we have the actual date to look forward to now.
Thank you, Oldartform xx

**margaret** Fri 23 Mar - 13:15

Oldartform wrote:Update on the books restitution:

Update on March 23, 2012
The mandatary and lawyer of the McCann couple, Isabel Duarte, has until the 29th of this month to return the books; the 10 days deadline are not consecutive and are measured as working days. Meanwhile, the lawyer to whom the books were entrusted by the First Instance Civil Court of Lisbon, has been trying to delay the restitution of the books to its rightful owners as ordered by the Supreme Court of Justice alleging that the Court of Appeals judgement did not transit in rem judicatam [unappealable decision/final ruling].

23/03/2012 12:37

Who is that lawyer, anyone know? Or is it Duarte herself, 'the lawyer to whom the books were entrusted by a court' doesn't sound like it is.....

Oldartform Fri 23 Mar - 13:23

margaret wrote:
Oldartform wrote:Update on the books restitution:

Update on March 23, 2012
The mandatary and lawyer of the McCann couple, Isabel Duarte, has until the 29th of this month to return the books; the 10 days deadline are not consecutive and are measured as working days. Meanwhile, the lawyer to whom the books were entrusted by the First Instance Civil Court of Lisbon, has been trying to delay the restitution of the books to its rightful owners as ordered by the Supreme Court of Justice alleging that the Court of Appeals judgement did not transit in rem judicatam [unappealable decision/final ruling].

23/03/2012 12:37

Who is that lawyer, anyone know? Or is it Duarte herself, 'the lawyer to whom the books were entrusted by a court' doesn't sound like it is.....

I think it must be Duarte. Sounds like she thinks she can drag it out even longer because the Appeal decision in favour of Goncalo wasn`t a final ruling.

Oldartform Fri 23 Mar - 13:27

Looks like she`s trying to drag it out until after the main court case next month in the hopes that, if they win that, they will then have more leverage to stop the books being freed up.

jeanmonroe Fri 23 Mar - 13:42

Oldartform wrote:Looks like she`s trying to drag it out until after the main court case next month in the hopes that, if they win that, they will then have more leverage to stop the books being freed up.

Surely you are not suggesting thar Ms Duarte is a 'drag artist'? LOL.

almostgothic Fri 23 Mar - 13:52

For as long as she and they refuse to hand over the books as ordered by a judge, then those books should be regarded as stolen. And she and they should be regarded as common thieves and punished as such.

As usual, the McCanns and their hired hands think the law does not apply to them.
Another desperate move by the Scared Sh*tless Squad.

**dazedandconfused** Fri 23 Mar - 14:13

almostgothic wrote:For as long as she and they refuse to hand over the books as ordered by a judge, then those books should be regarded as stolen. And she and they should be regarded as common thieves and punished as such.
As usual, the McCanns and their hired hands think the law does not apply to them.
Another desperate move by the Scared Sh*tless Squad.

That would be lovely, but I shan't hold my breath.

Guest Fri 23 Mar - 14:15

Oldartform wrote:Update on the books restitution:

Update on March 23, 2012
The mandatary and lawyer of the McCann couple, Isabel Duarte, has until the 29th of this month to return the books; the 10 days deadline are not consecutive and are measured as working days. Meanwhile, the lawyer to whom the books were entrusted by the First Instance Civil Court of Lisbon, has been trying to delay the restitution of the books to its rightful owners as ordered by the Supreme Court of Justice alleging that the Court of Appeals judgement did not transit in rem judicatam [unappealable decision/final ruling].

23/03/2012 12:37

I don't believe that they have them anymore. She's probably trying to drag it out until they can find 7500 copies on Ebay.

SteveT Fri 23 Mar - 16:28

Can't wait until Thursday! I wonder what excuse they will have for not having the books. Did a burgler take them out of the warehouse window?

**Krisy22** Fri 23 Mar - 16:35

Oldartform wrote:Update on the books restitution:

Update on March 23, 2012
The mandatary and lawyer of the McCann couple, Isabel Duarte, has until the 29th of this month to return the books; the 10 days deadline are not consecutive and are measured as working days. Meanwhile, the lawyer to whom the books were entrusted by the First Instance Civil Court of Lisbon, has been trying to delay the restitution of the books to its rightful owners as ordered by the Supreme Court of Justice alleging that the Court of Appeals judgement did not transit in rem judicatam [unappealable decision/final ruling].

23/03/2012 12:37

Thank you for that Oldartform Gonçalo Amaral's books - Page 2 Icon_flower

We can now count down the days.

**Chris** Fri 23 Mar - 18:00

Oldartform wrote:
margaret wrote:
Oldartform wrote:Update on the books restitution:

Update on March 23, 2012
The mandatary and lawyer of the McCann couple, Isabel Duarte, has until the 29th of this month to return the books; the 10 days deadline are not consecutive and are measured as working days. Meanwhile, the lawyer to whom the books were entrusted by the First Instance Civil Court of Lisbon, has been trying to delay the restitution of the books to its rightful owners as ordered by the Supreme Court of Justice alleging that the Court of Appeals judgement did not transit in rem judicatam [unappealable decision/final ruling].

23/03/2012 12:37

Who is that lawyer, anyone know? Or is it Duarte herself, 'the lawyer to whom the books were entrusted by a court' doesn't sound like it is.....

I think it must be Duarte. Sounds like she thinks she can drag it out even longer because the Appeal decision in favour of Goncalo wasn`t a final ruling.

Once you are on the fee gravy train why get off if you can stuff the fund for a little bit more.

jay2001 Fri 23 Mar - 18:27

Unbelievable arrogance! Wasn't the original ruling overturning the ban in October 2010 and now we're here a few days short of the 10 days allowed and the legal team are bleating in latin.

This blatant and unethical action imo is what's wrong with the legal system nowadays. Clever lawyers can use the system. To win at any cost is their only aim. Bugger justice.

Guest Fri 23 Mar - 18:58

rem judicatam >>>> "Sh*t, we burnt 'em, didn't we?"

**MaryB** Fri 23 Mar - 21:19

I never thought those books would be returned.

**AnnaEsse** Fri 23 Mar - 21:24

jay2001 wrote:Unbelievable arrogance! Wasn't the original ruling overturning the ban in October 2010 and now we're here a few days short of the 10 days allowed and the legal team are bleating in latin.

This blatant and unethical action imo is what's wrong with the legal system nowadays. Clever lawyers can use the system. To win at any cost is their only aim. Bugger justice.

If Duarte is stating that the decision was not unappealable, she should never have been able to take possession of the books in the first place because the decision to ban was appealable.

**kitti** Fri 23 Mar - 21:29

I thought that the mccanns wanted to take this further by appealing to a higher court but it couldn't be.....it was final....end off.

**Angelique** Sat 24 Mar - 1:56

I have just picked this up from Joana Morais site:

https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/xklamation

Joana Morais
@xklamation
@justice4maddie Precisely, #McCann lost all actions and now they don't have any grounds to base their "libel claim" for 1,2 million euros.

Does this mean Goncalo Amaral is finally vindicated ?

**Panda** Sat 24 Mar - 7:54

Why did the Court give 10 days, working or not for the books to be returned.? I think it is over a Year since Duarte has held them illegally so why didn't
the Judge order their immediate return? Why did it take so long for this case to get to Court.?Have the Publishers made a claim for compensation for lost income from the books being unavailable for sale.

The more we read, the more ridiculous this seems.

NoStone Sat 24 Mar - 9:46

I wonder if both the MET and the PJ are waiting for the books to be released again and for the outcome of the libel trial (possibbly even PB's action?). If both (all) go against the Mc's then both policeforces (and press corps) will find it difficult to keep the lid on the emerging onslaught that will ensue.

As much as they might like otherwise - political support or not - they will not be able to keep the lid from blowing off the alternative 'thesis'. There will be too much public interest will there not? Just a thought Gonçalo Amaral's books - Page 2 857143

**Panda** Sat 24 Mar - 10:22

NoStone wrote:I wonder if both the MET and the PJ are waiting for the books to be released again and for the outcome of the libel trial (possibbly even PB's action?). If both (all) go against the Mc's then both policeforces (and press corps) will find it difficult to keep the lid on the emerging onslaught that will ensue.

As much as they might like otherwise - political support or not - they will not be able to keep the lid from blowing off the alternative 'thesis'. There will be too much public interest will there not? Just a thought

Morning NoStone, to be honest, so much of this case is a mess I don't think hazarding a guess on the outcome of the Amaral Trial will alter matters.
Just think for a minute,everything is out of sync.

1. The injunction was lifted over a year ago, I'm sure someone will come up with the exact date.

2. The Book Publisher does not demand the immediate return of the books.

3. Ten months ago Cameron agreed to a Review and 37 Police Officers have been engaged in this with the PJ

4. As far as I know a date still hasn't been set for Amaral's Trial, the outcome of this is very important. If Amaral wins the McCanns will be dealt a
severe blow.

5. uestion:- The U.K. Government must have known about the injunction so why not wait for the result of the Trial before committing British Taxpayers
to this enormous expense. Why not a uiet word between the Portugese and British Ambassadors asking for a Trial date for Amaral. Why did the
Publishers not demand the return of the Books and Amaral's Lawyer ask for a Trial date when he knew a Review was to be made by the British Police

Can you see what I'm getting at? Why a new Portugese Team from Oporto, is there evidence of poor investigation by the original Team ? After 10 months there must be a reason for this.

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