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Post  Wallflower on Sat 14 Jul - 16:09

It is one aspect of the case which we're so used to, that we haven't really taken any notice about it in ages. But one of the strangest aspects of this case is that remarkably few people in the public eye have ever said much against the McCanns. That is despite all the column inches and TV coverage tht they've had.

I've had a long think and could come up with 3....

Booker prize winner Anne Enright wrote a 2000 word essay on Disliking the McCanns
http://toodumbtolivearchive.blogspot.co.uk/2007/10/disliking-mccanns.html
It's actuallly a pretty good summation of the case. What a shame that when it was reported in the papers

eg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1566565/Booker-winner-writes-of-dislike-for-McCanns.html
and
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488130/New-Booker-Prize-winner-Anne-Enrights-amazing-attack-Gerry-Kate-McCann.html
They've chosen to make no mention of what Anne has to say about the dogs, for example, but that Anne doesn't like the way Gerry speaks. And who could blame her for that anyway? It's interesting also, to note that Anne's diary entry was, in fact on a blog. A blog which was picked up on by the papers, who only commented that she's made an "amazing" attack on the McCanns. Hmmm....

John Redwood MP
Said that the McCanns should concentrate on looking for their daughter rather than all of the other stuff they were doing. He said this in a blog, his blog entry disappeared.


http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2007/09/this-would-have-to-be-mother-of-all.html
I can't work out where this was origianally published. Perhaps his own blog.
In any case it is brilliantly erudite and well worth a re-read

"So even Dante himself would find it difficult to describe any circle of the inferno fit for Kate and Gerry McCann if it all turns out to have been a lie."

Is there anyone else?


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Post  nospinnaker on Sat 14 Jul - 16:39

John Stalker

Pat Brown (does she qualify as 'Public'?)

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Post  Guest on Sat 14 Jul - 16:47

George Galloway
Frankie Boyle
Captain Sensible (of the Damned)

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Post  pennylane on Sat 14 Jul - 17:00

Hi Wallflower, here's a timely reminder of John Redwoods excellent observation. With thanks to McCannfiles xxx




Published by John Redwood at 11:00am under Blog
Sep 10 2007
With thanks to Paulo Reis at Gazeta Digital for screenshot/text

It is not usually wise to venture into questions of individual guilt or innocence. These are properly matters for the courts, not for politicians.

I do so briefly today because I have never seen so much speculation and so many press stories, created by the spin doctors of the parents and by mysterious sources for the Portuguese authorities, when there is so little fact behind it all. It is part of the modern disease, of fighting battles through the media instead of people getting on and doing their jobs diligently.

The Portuguese side, after four months, seem to have decided that the little girl is dead and the parents were involved in the death. To prove this it would be helpful to have a body, and an autopsy which shows how she died. At the very least, if they cannot find the body, it would help if they had an independent witness who had seen the death occur, or had seen the parents moving the body after the time of the disappearance. It demonstrates little police competence that this most closely watched couple was able according to sources to keep the body from police attention immediately after the disappearance, and then to move the body many days later. How come the police did not search extensively enough to find the body at the beginning? How did they miss any evidence of harm to the child they now might claim to have? How did no-one see anything strange when the body was moved?

The McCanns theory that the girl was abducted also needs evidence to support it. Can they clear away any doubt over whether entry was forced into the holiday home? Were there no screams or disturbances as the little girl was taken? Did no-one see her at any point as she was carried away? Why has no-one seen her since, despite the massive awareness campaign? How did the abductor time the removal, given the fact that parents and friends were returning to keep an eye or ear open for the children?

Have the police questioned all who left that resort around the time of the loss of Madeleine?

This is a heart rending story. The two sides seemed determined to damage each other. The truth remains a casualty. Maybe the McCanns should employ a private detective rather than a spin doctor, to find evidence of the abduction they are sure happened and the trail to her present whereabouts. In the meantime with so few facts it is difficult to say what happened, apart from understanding the grief that the loss of Madeleine is causing.



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Post  Guest on Sat 14 Jul - 17:18

I too have spoken out against Healy & McCann.

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Post  cherry1 on Sat 14 Jul - 17:26

Chelsea Hoffman - Crime analyst and profiler

http://www.chelseahoffman.com/2012/05/was-madeleine-mccann-murdered-analysis.html

2, 2012Was Madeleine McCann Murdered? Analysis Part Three

What happened to missing Madeleine McCann? In the last two installments of my analysis I highlighted the probability that the child was abducted either by a stranger or an acquaintance in Portugal. While there are always variables and possibilities in these unsolved cases, I am led to believe that this child was not necessarily "abducted," and I do believe that this case shares a similarity with the Amanda Knox case in that the PR campaign supporting the parents of the case have really done no help in finding justice for this missing, possibly murdered, child. I understand that this is not going to be a "popular" opinion, but it's not my job or intent to compete in a popularity contest.

I've watched video after video, read article after article and file upon file, but have come to no credible evidence that indicates this child left the apartment rented by the McCanns during their Portugal holiday. So then what happened to her? It's most likely that this young girl never left Portugal and most importantly, never left the vacation cottage in which she slept.

So far here is the list of verifiable evidence that I have been able to find in my research, although I am quite positive there are loads more:
Blood and cadaver dogs specifically hit on the scent of blood and post-mortem human oils in more than one part of apartment 5A -- and again in the hired/rental vehicle of the parents. The dogs also hit on these scents on the clothing belonging to the child and Kate McCann. The below video shows exactly what these celebrated scent dogs discovered.
By April 12, 2008 it was confirmed and released that the samples taken from the areas 'hit' by the blood and cadaver dogs indeed matched the DNA of Madeleine McCann. In fact, it was reported that the samples were a 88% match to the missing child's DNA found in the apartment and car. It should be noted that this car was not rented until approximately 25-days after the child was reported missing.
No so-called evidence points to an abduction.
No so-called evidence points to the child wandering away on her own.
No so-called sightings of Madeleine McCann have ever been confirmed.

First of all, I am a fan of forensic science. I am also a fan of scent dogs and the intelligence of working dogs in general. The fact that these two dogs are among the most famous in England for their work with police leaves me no reason to deny their discoveries -- especially since the DNA was confirmed as belonging to the missing child. When this is paired with the lack of any other DNA left by a "perp" it's hard to believe the child was kidnapped. No proof of abduction but forensic evidence of a dead body being both behind the couch and in the parents' bedroom in the villa directly points to foul play and directly indicates that the child may have never left the apartment alive.


That's really all there is to say about that.




Still, there is the issue of who, what, why and how?
A 2012 study out of the UK reveals that 65% of child homicides are at the hands of the child's parent(s). Forty-seven percent of child homicides are at the hands of their mothers, while 53% at the hands of their fathers -- this is in England and Wales of course. On a worldwide scale, the statistics are a little different. I am, obviously, going by the UK stats in this example since the child and the parents were British visiting Portugal abroad.


As for the mode of homicide a United States governmental source indicates that homicides against young children are mostly perpetrated by family members. Suffocation and beatings are the top causes of homicidal death in both young boys and girls in this aspect. It should be mentioned, however, that the United States does surpass the leading countries where child homicide is prevalent by at least five times.


So where am I going with this? I think it's obvious, but more needs to be analyzed. I think the parents of Madeleine McCann have done a poor job of representing themselves to the public and the media with all of the evidence that has been claimed against them. What's more, their reactions to the forensic evidence confirmed to match the DNA of their missing daughter. See the video below:
The blatant avoidance of the topic perplexes me, and leads me to wonder just how deep this story is and just what may have happened to Maddie. One thing I am certain, however, is that this child never made it out apartment 5A alive. That's just my honest opinion.

Was she murdered or did she die as a result of an accident? Did something else entirely happen that still leaves the family completely unconnected? Possibly.

In the next installment of my analysis, I will dig deeper into what may have happened to Madeleine McCann and who may be responsible.

Please keep in mind that I am only giving my own analysis of the evidence available. These are my views only, and not intended to sway the opinions of others. Furthermore, I stand to gain nothing by sharing my opinions.

(some videos in the article on her site)

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Post  Wallflower on Sat 14 Jul - 17:29

Ok there are a few more people than I remembered Not sure how I left you off the list The End Is Nigh.

Frankie Boyle Yup. John Stalker, that one must be tough for the McCanns to take, given his area of expertise. I'm not sure how much of a public figure Pat Brown is (in the UK) I'd never heard of her until I read about her in the forums. No disrespect to her, I think she's great.

Also thanks for finding Redwood's original blog Pennylane. Thank God for the McCannfiles.

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Post  Guest on Sat 14 Jul - 17:36

Interestingly, Frankie Boyle went to the same school as Mister Gerry, although there are a good few years between them. Just shows that not all Glaswegians (and Glasgow Catholics from the Southside) support the McCanns.

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Post  Lioned on Sat 14 Jul - 17:38

Not sure John Stalker really counts as he agreed with the abduction,just thought there was a bit more to it,as i recall.

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Post  Guest on Sat 14 Jul - 17:40

John Stalker?

Isn't he a Garage Door Salesman?

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Post  cherry1 on Sat 14 Jul - 17:42

He did say this, I wonder if he got into trouble for saying it!


The former Deputy Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police told the Sunday Express: ?My gut instinct is that some big secret is probably being covered up.
?I have watched the investigation into the Madeleine McCann case drag out for six months.
?One thing above all worries me: Why have the McCanns and the seven other members of their group ? the Tapas Nine ? remained so silent?
?Unlike other high-profile cases I have worked on, not one of them has been prepared to break ranks or really come out and support each other.
?After all this time and pressure, I cannot believe that nobody wants to speak.
?I have a real suspicion that we are not being told the whole truth. There is something else there, some issue that members of the party are embarrassed about?


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-490254/McCanns-hiding-big-secret-police-chief-claims.html#ixzz20cFhvqmN

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Post  cherry1 on Sat 14 Jul - 17:45

Thursday, September 22, 2011#McCann : John Stalker is not a Freemason..
John Stalker is not a freemason but clearly those around him were. Maybe John was sending out a message to the McCanns 'and their secret' as a warning sooner or later freemason or not the truth will out, although four years down the road and their 'secret' does not look like beng outed.

Also John's comment about one of the group having murdered Madeleine, no one has ever suggested the child was murdered, a domestic accident. John also had no problem in placing evidence on Murat yet makes excuses for evidence found around the McCanns.

I have been advised that when the Goverment use the term 'national security' as Madeleine has now been classed under, there is no 'national security' as such , it is a term they use when they wish to cover up one of their dirtly little secrets...glad that's been cleared up.

http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/mccann-john-stalker-is-not-freemason.html

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Post  dutchclogs on Sat 14 Jul - 17:47

This ex South side Glaswegian HERE WILL NEVER EVER SUPPORT THEM

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Post  Guest on Sat 14 Jul - 17:48

Not sure what Freemasonry has to do with it - It isn't part of their ethos to conceal serious wrongdoing.

Nevertheless, the truth will indeed come out - Of that I am sure.

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Post  widowan on Sat 14 Jul - 17:52

Enright said

How much do doctors drink? ‘Lots,’ she said. Why are the McCanns saying they didn’t sedate the child? ‘Why do you think?’ Besides, it was completely possible that the child had been sedated and also abducted – which was a sudden solution to a problem I did not even know I had: namely, if the girl in the pink pyjamas was being carried off by a stranger, why did she not scream? Sedation had also been a solution to the earlier problem of: how could they leave their children to sleep unprotected, even from their own dreams?

This is what gives further credibility to me, to the case against McCanns - not that so many famous people have spoken out in favor or against but all the little conversations like this amongst ordinary people who don't blog or who don't get into print, Ann's conversation just happened to get into a blog because she's a writer but you know people all over the UK were having the same conversations (which includes doctors, however uppity the McCanns may think they are) - a normal doctor says, well, doctors drink a lot and sedate their kids more than most and obviously would lie about that if they could, had they done it - for very obvious reasons. Why do you think? It make sthem look as culpable as they are. Of COURSe they sedated all 3 kids, the twins never woke up through all of this and then were held back from drug tests for 3 months and THEN tested privately. Christ. You don't have to be a sleuth to figure that one out.

( in Kate's bewk she mentions Madeleine waking up in a strange place - why would Maddie have been asleep while being carried out a window into the cold night, a child who was a light sleeper, in the arms of some pervert she is totally unfamilliar with, unless she was drugged?)

That must have been part of her fantasy, as she "beat herself up" over leaving Madeleine alone. "We've let her down" seems not so much like beating yourself up as in letting yourself off the hook in a major way. It's not ALL you've done is to let her down, letting her down is to tell her you'd take her to the beach on holiday, then leaving her in the creche.

They're so easy on themselves, is what gets to people. And then they want paid and to become ambassadors -!

the normal everyday cops we know in our lives assume they did it. Probably if they read the files they'd assume it even more so.
But for a fmaous name, Martin Grimes - wasn't it he who said if this was the UK they'd be arrested by now?

Nancy Grace spouted off about the Portuguese police (her Southern racism outweighed her prospecutorial slant) without every cracking a file but when Pat Brown, a frequent NG guest host and talking head did go thru the evidence she clearly spoke out in favor of the theory that MM is dead and the parents were possibly involved, as a theory that needs looking into.

I also heard an interview of some kind of social worker from Canada talking about leaving kids that age alone and how it's illegal and wrong. don't recall his name, he wasn't famous just some guy that works for very little money or recognition to keep children safe, so not a talking head whose ability to get paid relies on being on the right side of the media story (rather than the right side).

But that's considered kicking them when they're down for some reason, to mention this - never MIND if the child was sedated, when they should have been home protecting her.


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Post  cherry1 on Sat 14 Jul - 17:53

Thursday, June 30, 2011George GALLOWAY on the McCanns...
10 September 2007

THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE MOTHER OF ALL INJUSTICES

George Galloway

NOT since Dr Crippen - long before the blizzard of 24/7 satellite media - will there have been a case like Madeleine McCann's if the now official suspicions of the Portuguese police turn out to have been well founded.

They have turned it into a circus, with daily appearances at mass and the flight to the Vatican to kiss the hand of the Pope, invoking celebrities, inducing millions of people around the world to raise a fortune in a campaign fund and turning their child into one of the iconic faces of our age.

So even Dante himself would find it difficult to describe any circle of the inferno fit for Kate and Gerry McCann if it all turns out to have been a lie.

I have been in and around the Ocean Club in the sleepy Algarve village of Praia da Luz for more than 20 years and it has been surreal enough watching its tiny cobbled streets bristling with television crews broadcasting around the world from a
once little-known holiday idyll.

And now this.

On my Talk Sport radio shows I have been critical of the McCanns from the start. Not least because I knew aspects of their story could not be true.

Their supposed constant vigilance of their three toddlers while they ate in a tapas bar and the children slept in an unlocked apartment was not possible. The distance between the two points was both greater and more convoluted than they said.

In any case, the children's bedroom was on the OTHER side of the apartment block and, though both doctors, neither parent possessed X-ray vision.

I said that if a single mother had left her three kids in the chalet at Butlins while she supped scampi and chips in the boozer, she would have immediately been attacked as a feral, feckless, unfit mother by the same media which was painting the grieving McCanns as the very embodiment of modern middle-class Britain.
For months I have watched that media poke ridicule at the supposed bumbling Inspector Clouseaus of the Portuguese police for their apparent leaden-footedness in the investigation.

Of course no Johnny Foreigner could be as good as our own police, who brought us the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six.
Now with this new development, the same media seems coiled like a spring to turn on the McCanns as they previously did on the other "suspect" Robert Murat.

Sensing they may have been made the biggest fools in history, the Press tables can be seen turning, the plates beginning to move.

Of course, the most xenophobic commentators say the science which has led to the Mccanns being named as suspects is inherently suspect due to the foreign hands through which it has passed, oblivious to the fact that it came from British laboratories.
If Madeleine's blood and other DNA evidence really has been found in the boot of her parents' hire car, there are only a few possible explanations. A previous renter of the car - it was 25 days after the child went missing that the family took

In these circumstances the Portuguese police really would be clots if they did not consider the girl's parents to be suspects.

Of course there could be other, some would say unlikely, possibilities.

The DNA and blood evidence in the boot may not, after all, be Madeleine's and the forensic scientists may be mistaken.

The blood in the boot of the McCanns' hire car may be somebody else's, in which case Goodfellas comes to the Algarve and the family are the victims of the most grotesque coincidence.

The DNA could have been planted in the boot of the McCanns' car, presumably by the police.

The sort of thing which happened to Mr O
J Simpson.
The McCanns have either been the victims of a cataclysmic historic injustice, almost unprecedented, or they have been complicit in a scheme so duplicitous, so evil, so foul that Shakespeare himself could not have written it.

Either way, the name McCann is now well and truly in the history books.

http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/george-galloway-on-mccanns.html

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Post  Bobsy on Sat 14 Jul - 18:26

Wasn't there also Lord who wrote something? For the life in me I cannot remember his name but Howe is niggling. He wrote something on his blog about a 'Dead' Madeleine and the word dead was removed.

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Post  Guest on Sat 14 Jul - 18:26

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Shocked to hear "Two Out of Three Ain't Bad" picked on Desert Island discs there by the McCanns
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Post  Guest on Sat 14 Jul - 18:28

Bobsy wrote:Wasn't there also Lord who wrote something? For the life in me I cannot remember his name but Howe is niggling. He wrote something on his blog about a 'Dead' Madeleine and the word dead was removed.

Lord Toby Harris? He has been very critical of the McCanns.

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Post  Bobsy on Sat 14 Jul - 18:31

Iris wrote:
Bobsy wrote:Wasn't there also Lord who wrote something? For the life in me I cannot remember his name but Howe is niggling. He wrote something on his blog about a 'Dead' Madeleine and the word dead was removed.

Lord Toby Harris? He has been very critical of the McCanns.

Thank you Iris. Well I got the first letter correct.

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Post  cherry1 on Sat 14 Jul - 18:55

LORD TOBY HARRIS

The Prime Minister’s instruction to the Metropolitan Police to review the Madeleine McCann case is in breach of the draft protocol that is supposed to protect the operational independence of the police
Author: Toby Filed under: Conservative Party, Criminal justice, Culture media and sport, Europe, House of Lords, Liberal Democrats, London, Parliament, Policing, Security and counter-terrorismFriday

May 13,2011
David Cameron has instructed the Metropolitan Police to review the case of Madeleine McCann. This is in response to an open letter in The Sun and is entirely predictable in terms of the “pulling power” of News International on Government policy.

However, his intervention drives a coach and horses through the draft protocol issued by the Home Office designed to preserve the operational independence of the Police which says:

“The operational independence of the police service, and the decisions made by its operational leadership remain reserved to the Office of Chief Constable and that Office alone.”

Whilst no-one doubts the desirability of doing what can sensibly be done to find out what has happened to Madeleine McCann, I can imagine that the senior leadership of the Metropolitan Police are not exactly happy about this. It again embroils their officers in a high profile investigation, where the chances of success are unclear, and which will divert limited investigative resources away from other matters.

http://www.lordtobyharris.org.uk/the-prime-ministers-instruction-to-the-metropolitan-police-to-review-madeleine-mccanns-death-is-in-breach-of-the-draft-protocol-that-is-supposed-to-protect-the-operational-independence-of-the-poli/

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Post  almostgothic on Sat 14 Jul - 19:14

Alex Thompson (Ch 4) quite early on said:

"I've been sickened by the way the media have allowed themselves to be taken for a full-scale ride by the McCanns."

IIRC he got quite a telling off from his bosses.

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Post  cherry1 on Sat 14 Jul - 19:15

yes I heard that he got a right telling off!


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Post  widowan on Sat 14 Jul - 19:28

cherry1 wrote:He did say this, I wonder if he got into trouble for saying it!


The former Deputy Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police told the Sunday Express: ?My gut instinct is that some big secret is probably being covered up.
?I have watched the investigation into the Madeleine McCann case drag out for six months.
?One thing above all worries me: Why have the McCanns and the seven other members of their group ? the Tapas Nine ? remained so silent?
?Unlike other high-profile cases I have worked on, not one of them has been prepared to break ranks or really come out and support each other.
?After all this time and pressure, I cannot believe that nobody wants to speak.
?I have a real suspicion that we are not being told the whole truth. There is something else there, some issue that members of the party are embarrassed about?


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-490254/McCanns-hiding-big-secret-police-chief-claims.html#ixzz20cFhvqmN

oooh, interesting. Turn the kaleidoscope another way and you have why has no one spilled the beans which we've all harped on about for ages but as the Chief Constable says, why have they not come out to support each other?

No kidding there's a secret being covered up.

Hoiw on earth did MM's disappearance get to be a matter of national security? Are there that many British pedophiles expatriated into Portugal? Is that where the old pedos go to retire when they leave the government? What possible connection to national security could a child kidnapping have?

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Post  cherry1 on Sat 14 Jul - 19:30

didnt the government refuse to give list of paedophiles who were out there to the PJ?

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