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Post  Susan on Sat 15 Aug - 17:00

But while Jacko had prodigious musical talent, Lester was just another pretty actor. He gave up acting in the early Eighties because he wasn't getting work.

To what extent Lester and Jacko remained in touch over the following 15 years is a slightly open question - Lester's claims of an intimate decades-long friendship are not quite what they seem.

As Jackson claimed superstardom with Thriller, Lester was becoming paunchy and depressed, and was working in his father's bar. He went on to work as an insurance salesman on £150 a week.

There was no sign of any help from his world-famous friend and his interviews from this period don't mention the singer.

Eventually Lester became an osteopath. This was the fortunate chance that allowed him to rekindle his association with Jackson, who was by the early 1990s suffering from recurrent back and ankle pain.

Lester met Jane - a radiographer - while training as an osteopath. They married in 1991 when she was pregnant with their eldest daughter Lucy.

Two years later, they set up a healthcare business in Cheltenham. This was the year when the Jordy Chandler abuse allegations emerged. In a lengthy interview in 1993, Lester made no mention of his alleged friendship with Jacko.

According to Jane, who is now living on a farm in the West Country, this is because the pair were not in touch at this time.

Jane Lester is described by both her brother and by Mark Lester as an alcoholic. She herself concedes: 'I do like a bottle of wine, that is my vice.'

She does not have custody of her children with Lester, and tells me that out of the four, only Olivia, eight, still comes to visit her.

That doesn't mean, though, that her recall is necessarily inaccurate - she is impressively collected and precise when talking about why she is certain what Mark Lester says is untrue.

'It makes no sense to me,' she says. 'Mark had only met Michael three times before we were married in 1991. From 1991 there was no contact with Michael Jackson for years.

'The first real contact the family as a whole ever had was when Jackson came [to the UK] after he had broken his ankle [Jackson had an accident in rehearsals in 2003].

'Michael only contacted Mark in 2001 and renewed the friendship. There is no way Mark could be Paris's father, as she was born by then.'

Indeed, the dates do not add up. Prince was born in 1997 and Paris in 1998. In Lester's defence, he claims he offered to make the sperm donation in a telephone call to Jackson in 1996 and the whole thing had been arranged without meeting face-to-face.

Lester says he made the donation in a Harley Street clinic. He presumes the sperm was frozen and taken to America to impregnate Debbie Rowe, Jackson's ex-nurse and mother of his two eldest children.

This is a big presumption. There are also claims that Jackson's dermatologist Arnold Klein gave the singer sperm donations.

It is generally accepted that Jackson's youngest son Blanket, seven, is the result of an anonymous donor egg and anonymous donor sperm carried by a surrogate mother.

Who is to say that the same is not true of Prince and Paris?


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* Are these the pictures that prove Mark Lester is the father of Michael Jackson's daughter, Paris?
* Michael Jackson asked if I wanted to be Blanket's godfather: Friend Mark Lester gives a touching insight into the tortured singer

It is true Lester was close to Jackson during his final years. He was the godfather to Jackson's children when they were baptised in 2003 and Jacko was the godfather of his. This, Jane readily confirms.

Although, rather extraordinarily, she says Mark never allowed her to have any contact with his superstar friend.

'I never went with him to see Michael. Mark just refused to bring me along, saying: "Oh no, Michael would hate you," which was quite hurtful.

'I was absolutely uneasy about the friendship and about Mark taking the children over there, for obvious reasons. But I felt that Michael would not be interested in the girls and Felix was only young. He was two or three when he went to Neverland for the first time. He loved it.

'Mark liked to travel first-class and Michael would pay. Michael liked to have my son over there. Of course I was aware of the allegations, but, although I had my personal views, there was nothing I could do.'

By 2003, the Lesters' marriage was over. 'Of course it contributed to the end of the marriage. I remember that after one visit from Michael, Mark announced: "I'm going to be Michael's osteopath and I'm going to travel the world with him. I am leaving and will have a better life without you." '

Jane's father, Jeff, 79, who lives in West Mersea, Essex, confirms her story, saying: 'Mark wanted to go to the States but Jane didn't want to drag young children across there.'

Her brother Richard says he recalls Jane talking about Lester treating the singer for his back pain during visits. Lester was also travelling with him in Berlin when Jackson infamously dangled the infant Blanket off a hotel balcony.

So why were the two so close? Jane says: 'I think that all the fuss of being with Jackson appealed to Mark's ego.

'When I met Mark, we talked about his having been a child star. He told me it was behind him. He said: "I don't want to be a star any more, I want to be an osteopath. I want nothing to do with that side of life."

'But as soon as he got a whiff of it, he went ballistic. I remember one day David Gest rang our house. I had never heard of him but when I called out to Mark, I was almost knocked over by him rushing to get to the phone.'

Lester and Jackson's friendship was at its closest when Jackson was at his lowest ebb. The singer was tried for child molestation in 2005. After he was acquitted he fled to Bahrain with the children. As we discovered in a subsequent court case, he lived off the largesse of Sheikh Abdullah bin Hamad al-Khalifa.

In an interview this year Lester said: 'When we spent Christmas with Michael in Bahrain, immediately after he was acquitted of child abuse, we returned with 22 crates of gifts including everything from iPods, phones, digital cameras, computers, laptops and PlayStations to trampolines and water slides for our garden.'

Jane says Lester sold all the gifts, which upset the children. She adds: 'I am not sure to what extent Mark was a part of the inner circle. He never met any of Jackson's family for instance, but, yes, there were visits later on.'

She is perturbed that Lester has sold this story - and by the pictures for which their daughter Harriet, 15, posed to prove the supposed similarities with Paris Jackson. Jane says, somewhat unkindly: 'Harriet wants to be a famous model and is probably thrilled by the attention.'

The Jackson family are also less than thrilled. Katherine Jackson's lawyer, Londell McMillan, said: 'These genetic lottery attempts aren't going anywhere. They may seek five seconds of fame but the claims have no merit.'

It's not the response Lester was hoping for. He seems to have revealed the alleged sperm donation in a bid to regain contact with the Jackson children, after being abruptly cut off from them once the singer died.

Jackson family lawyer Brian Oxman is on Lester's side, telling me Lester is 'not making anything up'. He calls him an 'honest, straight and decent guy'.

He adds: 'Michael liked Mark a great deal. I think some of the closeness was a result of them both being child stars.

'Mark has had opportunities over the years to profit financially from selling stories about Michael and to sell off mementoes. He never has. So I don't believe that this is about money, or financial gain. Mark was a loyal and trusted friend.'

There's no chance of these claims being tested in law - under Californian law a child born to a man and a women is presumed to be the child of those two people.

Anyone doubting this has two years from the birth to make their challenge, which has obviously long past.

In the face of the Jackson family's negative reaction, Lester is backtracking - now claiming he had donated sperm but has no proof it was used.

'I'm sure, as far as I know, the children were all his,' he told a television interviewer this week, looking crestfallen.

He's too late though - the Jackson clan now class Lester with the other fruitcakes, charlatans and crooks who they think took advantage of Michael.

Now he's been left out in the cold. 'This isn't what Michael would have wanted,' Lester bleats. On that at least, they can all agree.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1206715/Is-ex-husband-Mark-Lester-father-Jackos-children-No-hes-completely-nuts.html#ixzz0OGg5wXSY


OK so they didnt meet until Paris was born....this also makes Uri Gellar a fricking liar!

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Post  Guest on Sat 15 Aug - 22:51

I think it is so sad that people have to make things up. True friends do not need to brag to others about their friendship.

Look at Diana Ross and Liz Taylor; they were Michael's true friends and they do not need to step out into the limelight and speak of it.

Mark Lester sounds like a prize pillock!


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Post  Susan on Sun 16 Aug - 14:38

His wife sounds a tad weird too....Why hasnt she got custody of her kids bar one?

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Post  littlepixie on Sat 22 Aug - 23:06

I dont think Paris is particularly dark, she looks white with a tan. Mark Lester is not very nice opening his mouth (if he is her father) at this stage of the game. Maybe he had his reasons but he should have spoken to Paris first (unless he already has)

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Post  littlepixie on Sat 22 Aug - 23:14

I read that Elvis used to have himself "put to sleep" so he didnt eat/would lose weight. I have never thought about MJ doing it to wean himself off Demerol. I suppose its a possibility. It makes more sense to me than someone being addicted to anesthesia.
Latoya was the only blood relative who came outright and said that she had reservations about her brother and little boys.
Too be honest I think they would all sell their souls for money. Maybe MJ was to blame for that as I read he put the mockers on their careers so they were dependent on him. Who knows.
I STILL think (and always will) that the timing of his death was very, very convenient. For who I dont know.

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Post  littlepixie on Sat 22 Aug - 23:30

I watched a programme the other day about Grandparents bringing up their grandchildren after their mother was murdered by their father. The grandparents were 69 and the girl was about 15 and the boy about 12 (I am guessing on their ages) The boy got on great with his grandparents but the girl positively hated her Grandma and I think the feeling was mutual. It was horrible to watch. I thought the girl might remind the Grandma of her father (who had killed the grandmas daughter)
It will end in tears IMO.
Katherine declared herself bankrupt at one stage and stated she was living on social security. I didnt believe her. If there is a chance those children arent blood Jackson I fear for them and am glad they now have a legal representative of their own.

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Post  Guest on Sat 22 Aug - 23:36

I actually think the best person to look after those kids is either Janet, his closest sister, or Jermaine, his closest brother and also a family man.

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Post  Guest on Fri 18 Sep - 13:07

I cannot understand the decision to give custody to Michaels mother, no disrespect to the lady at all but even though Michaels father is not meant to be having any influences/decisions on the children; after Michaels death his father seemed to be still domineering etc so my common sense tells me that if Michaels mother could not protect Michael (emotionally etc ) from his father while he was growing up now she is older and Michaels fathers attitude/character doesn't seem to have altered/changed how is she going to be any better prepared and able to protect the children and their interests against their grandfathers domineering personality ? As eddie says they should have given care/custody of his children to either his brother or sister. All best wishes from Rose xxx

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Post  littlepixie on Fri 18 Sep - 23:25

Janet has had drug problems and Jermaine has been to court for not supporting the children he already has.

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Post  Guest on Sat 21 Nov - 8:45

Justice is served for his vile money making acts.

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Post  wantthetruth on Sat 21 Nov - 9:38

Jordon Chandlers original statements are widely available on the internet, they make pretty sickening reading.

There's an interesting article about this in today's Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1229622/Killed-curse-Michael-Jackson-What-drove-father-Jordy-Chandler-gun-head.html

Killed by the curse of Michael Jackson: What drove the father of Jordy Chandler to put a gun to his head?

I don't think Justice was ever really served in this sorry tale.

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Post  Guest on Sat 21 Nov - 9:57

A perfect example of 'What goes around comes around' I think.

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Jacko doc 'on manslaughter charge'

Post  Guest on Tue 2 Feb - 23:13

Tuesday February 02 2010

US prosecutors plan to charge Michael Jackson's doctor with manslaughter, a law enforcement official in Los Angeles has said.

The prosecutors will file a criminal complaint against Dr Conrad Murray in court rather than go through a secret grand jury, he said.

The source spoke on condition of anonymity.

The complaint would be the prelude to a public hearing in which a judge would consider evidence from witnesses to decide if there is cause to try Dr Murray on a charge of involuntary manslaughter.

Jackson died on June 25 last year from an anaesthetic overdose. Murray maintains nothing he gave Jackson should have killed him.

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Post  Guest on Fri 26 Mar - 11:35

Conrad Murray Pleads Not Guilty in Jackson Case
Posted Feb 8th 2010 6:04PM by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad Murray was arraigned today and pled not guilty to involuntary manslaughter charges in the death of Michael Jackson. He was taken into custody for booking and bail was set at $75,000.






Jackson's parents and several of his siblings were front and center for the 25-minute hearing. The judge ruled as a condition to bail, Murray cannot be in possession of (or prescribe) anesthetics and specifically mentioned Propofol. At one point the judge said, "I do not want you sedating people."

Murray had to surrender his passport.

Murray will be in court again on April 5.

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Post  Guest on Fri 26 Mar - 11:47

The father who sensationally accused Michael Jackson of molesting his 13-year-old son has committed suicide, it was revealed last night.

Former Beverly Hills dentist Evan Chandler was found in bed with a single bullet wound to his head.
Chandler, 65, died in his luxury waterfront flat in Jersey City, New Jersey, on November 5, but details of the death only emerged yesterday.

A police source said the victim was still holding the gun when his body was found.
'I won't confirm or deny anything,' said Chandler's brother, Raymond, a California lawyer. Jersey City Police confirmed the death.
Chandler's body was discovered at around 5.30pm after he had been reported missing.


He missed an appointment with his doctor earlier in the week which prompted concern for his well-being, Jersey City spokesperson Stan Eason said.
After several failed attempts to reach his patient, Chandler's doctor, who has not been identified, called the building's superintendent to check on him.
The superintendent discovered the victim's body inside his flat at the Liberty Towers located on Hudson Street in Jersey City, Eason said.



Claims: Evan Chandler, shown here in an undated photo, has killed himself years after accusing Michael Jackson of molesting his son

Another family source told the New York Post that Chandler had undergone plastic surgery and regularly administered Botox injections in his face that made him virtually unrecognisable from the time he first accused Jackson sixteen years ago.

Chandler's claim that Jackson's sexually abused his son, Jordan, initiated the King of Pop's fall from grace in the early 1990s.

A 13-month police probe was launched into the molestation allegations, including a raid on his famous Neverland Ranch near Santa Barbara, California.
But the case never went to trial because the boy received a £13million civil settlement from Jackson.



Both parties signed a confidentiality agreement promising not to talk about the case or the settlement.
The case was abandoned after the boy refused to testify in criminal proceedings.
Jordan, now 29 and living under an assumed name in Long Island, New York, has never spoken publicly about the allegation.

His father was widely reviled by Jackson fans or trying to profit from the scandal.
In 1996, Chandler filed a £40million lawsuit against Jackson and his then wife Lisa Marie Presley, claiming they breached the terms of the confidentiality agreement by talking about the case on TV.
After learning of Chandler's death yesterday, former Santa Barbara County Sheriff Jim Thomas, the officer in charge of the first Jackson probe, said: 'Everybody in this whole saga was touched tragically.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1228772/Michael-Jackson-Jordan-Chandlers-father-Evan-commits-suicide-years-accusing-star-molesting-son.html#ixzz0XFryk6Wd

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Post  Guest on Mon 10 May - 23:30

BREAKING NEWS: Michael Jackson's Death Ruled 'Homicide'(probably)


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Post  Guest on Mon 10 May - 23:31

Michael Jackson's series of 10 concerts at London's O2 arena in July will be "the final curtain call", he has said.

He told fans at the venue: "This is it. I just want to say that these will be my final show performances in London."

The pop superstar, 50, may take the show around the world, but that would be his last tour.

He made a five-minute appearance in front of hundreds of screaming fans to announce 10 the London dates, which will earn him more than $50m (£35m).

His first words to fans were: "I love you so much.

This will be it. When I say this is it, it really means this is it," he added.

"I'll be performing the songs my fans want to hear. This is the final curtain call."

The first concert will be on 8 July, with tickets costing between £50 and £75. They go on general sale on 13 March.

The star will put on a "big budget, grand, highly technical, incredible show", according to Randy Phillips, chief executive of promoter AEG Live.

"Michael Jackson is a perfectionist so it's going to be amazing," Mr Phillips told BBC News. "He'll try a lot of new things."

Asked whether the London dates would be his last ever performances, Mr Phillips replied: "These will be the last shows in London.

"Whether he will go on from here around the world... this will be his last tour. All he's agreed to are the London shows at this point."

The star was "in great shape" for the dates, he said.

"He's passed an extensive four-hour physical with independent third party doctors selected by the insurance carriers. He's in incredible health."

Mr Phillips added that AEG had a "broader relationship" with Jackson, which could involve a new 3D film based on Thriller as well as future concerts.

The three-and-a-half year plan could earn Jackson more than $400m (£283m), he predicted.

The singer had been due to appear at the O2 at 1600 GMT, but only left his central London hotel at that time and arrived an hour and a half late for the announcement.

Several hundred fans waited at the O2 to see him, and said they were not disappointed by his brief appearance.

Peter Scott from London said: "It was brilliant, awesome seeing the man in the flesh again. He looked in fine shape, looked fit, I reckon he can handle the 10 [shows].

"And they're going to put on more concerts definitely. Ten isn't enough."

Mr Scott said he would come to "as many as possible", adding it was the "credit crunch - but I'll find a way, somehow".

And he did not believe Jackson would really retire from the stage.

"Never say never," he said. "The man can always change his mind. When he sees the demand, he's going to have to perform next year and the year after that for eternity."

Another fan, Fiona Hetherington, 37, from Ewell in Surrey, said the experience of Jackson's announcement was "was pretty surreal".

"It was amazing to see him," she said. "Very few words. A man of few words, but amazing.

"I actually went very hysterical. I was stranding next to a lookalike and a guy who has the moonwalk world record."

The singer "looked really, really well", she added. "And I can't wait to see him in July."

Some wore T-shirts bearing his image, while others clutched memorabilia.

The O2 is the venue where Prince played for 21 nights in 2007, and where Britney Spears is performing for eight nights in June.

Jackson last toured 12 years ago. In 2006, he performed at the World Music Awards in London, but disappointed fans by singing just a few lines of We Are The World.

Stories about personal, health and financial problems have circulated in recent years. He was cleared of child abuse after a four-month trial in 2005.

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strange coincidence?

Post  ann_chovey on Sun 16 May - 19:37

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1278878/Dr-Conrad-Murray-accused-killing-Michael-Jackson-saves-womans-life-collapses-mid-flight.html

Doctor accused of killing Michael Jackson saves woman's life after she collapses mid-flight
By Paul Thompson
Last updated at 4:59 PM on 16th May 2010

Dr Conrad Murray, who is alleged to have given the singer a fatal drug overdose, was able to stabilise the woman using equipment from the passenger jet's medical kit.

The 57-year-old set up an IV line and monitored her while the Phoenix bound flight was diverted to Albuquerque in New Mexico where it made an emergency landing.
Accused: Dr Conrad Murray, who is alleged to have given Michael Jackson a fatal drug overdose, helped stabilise an unconscious woman during a flight to Los Angeles where Murray was to meet his trial lawyers

Paramedics waiting at the terminal took the 23-year-old to hospital where she was released after treatment.

The woman, who has not been named, later told celebrity website TMZ that when she regained consciousness the doctor was standing over her and said: 'You probably know me. I was Michael Jackson's doctor.'
When asked what she would say to Murray, she said : 'Thank you so much. Thank you for helping me even without knowing me.'

Murray was on his way from Houston, Texas, to see his trial lawyers in Los Angeles when his medical services were called upon.

Staff on the U.S. Airways flight had made an announcement over the jet's tannoy system appealing for a doctor on board the flight.
Murray, who has had his licence suspended in California while he awaits trial, identified himself to the flight attendants.

He said the woman, who was travelling with an 11 month old baby, had a weak pulse, and was able to hook up an IV line from the plane's emergency medical kit.

He stayed with the woman while the plane made an emergency landing and briefed paramedics who boarded the jet.

'We're not surprised,' said Miranda Sevcik, from the legal team representing Murray.

'He's a good doctor, we've always said he was a good doctor, and that's what good doctors do is save people.'

Murray was travelling alone on the flight from Houston, Texas, to Phoenix, Arizona.

U.S. Airways confirmed that a doctor on the flight helped stabilise a patient who had a medical emergency.

Spokesman Todd Lehmacher said it was against company policy to identify the passenger or the doctor on board who helped stabilise her.

Murray has been charged with the involuntary manslaughter of 50-year-old Jackson last June.

He is accused of administering a fatal overdose of the anaesthetic drug Propofol which Jackson used as a treatment for insomnia.

Murray, a trained cardiologist, was hired by Jackson to act as his $100,000 a month personal physician for his series of comeback concerts at the O2 arena in London.

The singer was found unconcious at his rented Los Angeles mansion by Murray and despite his efforts was unable to revive the star.

He has pleaded not guilty to the involuntary manslaughter charge which could see him jailed for up to ten years.

His license to practice in California has been revoked and he is fighting to stop courts in Las Vegas also taking away his license.


Well, I think we all know of a certain doctor (an arguido at the time) who reportedly came to the aid of a sick man on a flight from Portugal to U.K.

The bold sentence reminds me of the the drunk in the road, who instantly recognised the McCanns (even though he was so paralytic he was lying in the middle of said road).

What is it with these dodgy doctors and their narcissistic tendencies? They love to be in the headlines come what may it seems.

Mods please move if not relevant, but it just struck me as odd.
same only different iykwim.

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Post  wantthetruth on Sun 16 May - 19:59

He probably said it because he was worried if she recognised him, she'd think he was trying to kill her!

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Post  geowoo on Sun 16 May - 21:00

The passenger who was tended to by Dr Gerry mid-flight has never come to the fore...or Have I missed something?

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Post  ann_chovey on Sun 16 May - 21:51

geowoo wrote:The passenger who was tended to by Dr Gerry mid-flight has never come to the fore...or Have I missed something?

That was one of the things I found interesting, from the above article.......

Spokesman Todd Lehmacher said it was against company policy to identify the passenger or the doctor on board who helped stabilise her.

????????

e.t.a. in each case it seems the doctor involved, or his PR, fed the story to the press.

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Post  LJC on Sun 16 May - 23:56

I have often thought about this event and why it was even mentioned at all if the patients anonymity is to be preserved.

Also the drunk in the street - how did they know where he lived? He was so drunk he was lying in the road but they stopped to help him home? Sounds like someone they already know to me who lives very near to where they were staying.

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Post  fred on Mon 17 May - 6:37

Wonder if the doctor had his wallet stolen as well?

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Post  kitti on Mon 17 May - 7:31

The same 'person' that was on a plane full off passengers!!

There was no 'person'.


You CANT shut up a plane full off passengers, one off them would want to make a buck, after all, it was at the very beginning off the investigation, the mccanns werent liked and ANY juicy piece off gossip would off been worth its weight in GOLD.

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