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Post  Guest on Mon 4 Jan - 9:53



The leader of an Islamic group, said to have extremist links, has written to families of fallen soldiers about its plans to march through Wootton Bassett.

Islam4UK wants to walk through the Wiltshire town, which has become famous for paying tribute to soldiers killed in Afghanistan, carrying empty coffins.

Anjem Choudary, of Islam4UK, admitted the town had been chosen because it would attract the most media attention.

But former mayor Chris Wannell asked the group to reconsider its choice.

Islam4UK is said to call itself a "platform" for the extremist movement al-Muhajiroun.

Mr Choudary, a former lawyer and the leader of Islam4UK, has written a letter on the organisation's website entitled "To the families of British soldiers who have fallen", explaining reasons for the planned march.

He said the event, if permitted by police, would involve peaceful "symbolic coffins" being carried to honour Muslim victims of the conflict in Afghanistan.


The sad reality of the situation is that if I were to hold it somewhere else it would not have the media attention that it has now.
Anjem Choudary - Islam4UK

Mr Choudary said: "The procession is not actually about the people of Wootton Bassett and it never was about them.

"We are having a procession, it's in Wootton Bassett but it's not about the people there and it's not against them personally - rather it's to highlight the real cost of war in Afghanistan.

"The sad reality of the situation is that if I were to hold it somewhere else it would not have the media attention that it has now.

"If I am to balance between the sensitivity of having it in Wootton Bassett and the possibility of continuing the quagmire and cycle of death in Afghanistan, then quite honestly I'm going to balance in favour of the latter.

'Bad choice'

"In the next couple of weeks, I'm going to be engaging with the local community and the public at large by way of press releases and letters to explain why we're having this march."

Mr Wannell, of Wootton Bassett, said: "I know we still have freedom of speech and freedom of movement but I think that Mr Choudary has made a bad choice and I would hope he would examine himself and say, 'no I'm doing the wrong thing here', and go somewhere else.

"I think if Mr Choudary has any decency about him he will not march in Wootton Bassett."

Mr Choudary said he had not yet applied to the police with a date requesting permission for the procession through the town.

He said it would not coincide with a repatriation ceremony.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/8438915.stm

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 4 Jan - 12:02

"They shall not pass."

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Islam4UK, an Islamic group linked to the extremist organisation Al-Muhajiroun is planning a march through Wootton Bassett in the coming weeks in memory of Muslims, "‘murdered in the name of democracy and freedom’. There's something quite ironic there.

Islam4UK's leader, Anjem Choudary, said the protest, involving 500 people, would be ‘peaceful’ and that ‘symbolic coffins’ would be carried to honour Muslim victims of the conflict.

"But Chris Wannell, the Wiltshire town’s former mayor, said: ‘We don’t do what we do for any political reason but to pay our respects to those who have given their lives for our freedom.

‘We are a Christian country and a traditional old English market town who honour very much our Queen and country. We obey the law and pay respects to our servicemen who protect our freedom."(Daily Mail)

Now, I'll come out here and say that I am a pacifist and that I particularly see no sense in the original reasons for invading Afghanistan or for the continuing conflict there. However, I have known men and women who have served in the armed forces, most of whom have joined with very good intentions and a belief that they were defending the freedoms we in the west enjoy and possibly helping people in countries who did not enjoy those freedoms. I have also, as a teacher, known young people who intended to join the armed forces, some because they saw it as a way to gain training for future employment and as a way to travel and see some of the world, some because they couldn't think of any other way to leave home, most with a sense of doing something honourable and decent.

The people who turn out time after time in Wootton Bassett to pay their respects to the British service men and women who have been killed in Afghanistan could be honouring one of my ex-students, young people who went where they were sent and died for a cause that I don't believe is worth dying for, but I think they and their families and the people of Wootton Bassett should not be insulted by this planned march.

On October 4th, 1936, an event took place in London, that came to be known as, "The Battle Of Cable Street." Oswald Mosley and his British Union of Fascists planned to march through Stepney, the area with the largest Jewish population in England.

"Their way was blocked by thousands of demonstrators, made up of communists, Jews, dockers and labourers from the local community.

They flooded the narrow streets, making them impassable. They carried banners and chanted "They Shall Not Pass" a slogan adopted from the Spanish Republicans." (BBC)


This planned demonstration by around 500 people from Islam4UK must not be allowed to happen. Those of us who feel that the dead from a futile war should be allowed to travel in peace to their final resting place and that the route of their final journey should not be tainted by hate must come together now and echo the words of those ordinary folks of East End London.

"They shall not pass."

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Post  Angelina on Mon 4 Jan - 13:46

They've got an effing cheek and it's about time the UK Gvt put a stop to it.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 4 Jan - 13:53

Angelina wrote:They've got an effing cheek and it's about time the UK Gvt put a stop to it.

Abso-f*cking-lutely. If that group truly just wanted to honour Muslims killed in Afghanistan, they would march through an area that was predominantly Muslim. Choosing Wootton Bassett is a confrontational act, to stir up hatred and probably violence and I can imagine the sickening banners they will present.

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Post  Angelina on Mon 4 Jan - 14:16

AnnaEsse wrote:
Angelina wrote:They've got an effing cheek and it's about time the UK Gvt put a stop to it.

Abso-f*cking-lutely. If that group truly just wanted to honour Muslims killed in Afghanistan, they would march through an area that was predominantly Muslim. Choosing Wootton Bassett is a confrontational act, to stir up hatred and probably violence and I can imagine the sickening banners they will present.

Can you imagine the outcry if the residents of Wootton Bassett marched through a mainly Muslim area....the fur would be flying everywhere. One of these days it will all be a step too far and there'll be massive trouble on our streets.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 4 Jan - 14:29

Angelina wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Angelina wrote:They've got an effing cheek and it's about time the UK Gvt put a stop to it.

Abso-f*cking-lutely. If that group truly just wanted to honour Muslims killed in Afghanistan, they would march through an area that was predominantly Muslim. Choosing Wootton Bassett is a confrontational act, to stir up hatred and probably violence and I can imagine the sickening banners they will present.

Can you imagine the outcry if the residents of Wootton Bassett marched through a mainly Muslim area....the fur would be flying everywhere. One of these days it will all be a step too far and there'll be massive trouble on our streets.

The words of Enoch Powell now seem somehow prophetic. "Rivers of blood," we may be close to seeing. This is Anjem Choudary, leader of Islam4UK which is planning the march through Wootton Bassett, talking about 7/7, refusing to condemn his "Muslim brothers," and in stating that only Muslims are "innocent," implicitly saying that all those killed or seriously injured were legitimate targets.


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Post  Angelina on Mon 4 Jan - 15:03

Peaceful....yeah right!!

Choudary compares British troops to Nazi stormtroopers as 198,000 sign Facebook bid to stop his Islamic extremist march

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240318/100-000-people-Facebook-protest-Islamic-extremist-march-military-town.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo#ixzz0bekAAEPb

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 4 Jan - 15:18

Angelina wrote:Peaceful....yeah right!!

Choudary compares British troops to Nazi stormtroopers as 198,000 sign Facebook bid to stop his Islamic extremist march

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240318/100-000-people-Facebook-protest-Islamic-extremist-march-military-town.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo#ixzz0bekAAEPb

There's another group linked from that Facebook site: paratroopers are planning to line the streets of Wootton Bassett if those hate-mongers do their march! Could be interesting!

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Post  Angelina on Mon 4 Jan - 15:22

AnnaEsse wrote:
Angelina wrote:Peaceful....yeah right!!

Choudary compares British troops to Nazi stormtroopers as 198,000 sign Facebook bid to stop his Islamic extremist march

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240318/100-000-people-Facebook-protest-Islamic-extremist-march-military-town.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo#ixzz0bekAAEPb

There's another group linked from that Facebook site: paratroopers are planning to line the streets of Wootton Bassett if those hate-mongers do their march! Could be interesting!

I'm not surprised...I think a lot of people here feel enough is enough. Of course the Police will be out in force protecting all the poor innocent Muslims! (police - force...no pun intended )

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 4 Jan - 15:27

Angelina wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Angelina wrote:Peaceful....yeah right!!

Choudary compares British troops to Nazi stormtroopers as 198,000 sign Facebook bid to stop his Islamic extremist march

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240318/100-000-people-Facebook-protest-Islamic-extremist-march-military-town.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo#ixzz0bekAAEPb

There's another group linked from that Facebook site: paratroopers are planning to line the streets of Wootton Bassett if those hate-mongers do their march! Could be interesting!

I'm not surprised...I think a lot of people here feel enough is enough. Of course the Police will be out in force protecting all the poor innocent Muslims! (police - force...no pun intended )

There is a planned march in protest about Islam4UK and I think this time there could be BIG trouble if those Muslims actually do get out onto the streets. Wootton Bassett will be a step too far.....much too far! There are Facebook groups cropping up like mushrooms. People have had enough now.

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Post  malena stool on Mon 4 Jan - 20:38

Perhaps we should invite retired members of the Waffen SS to march past the Cenotaph also?
Why not some Japanese prison camp guards as well?

Perhaps Gordon Brown should grow some gonads and ban any marches which offend the feelings of the indigenous British residents of this nation just for once.

But we know he won't after all there are lots of votes at stake here, isn't there Gordon.....

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Post  Guest on Tue 5 Jan - 14:18

Guys, I know this is a sensitive issue and I may be inclined to agree with you after you refute what I am about to say:

Isn't this war about ALL people dying? Does it matter where they come from? Isn't this Choudry just saying "Look, This war is bad and we have all these deaths too!" ?? Isn't it like saying "we're all people and this war is wrong?"

Maybe I am reading it wrong..? I am not saying that they shouldn't consider doing it elsewhere and very possibly I am not seeing the whole picture so can someone enlighten me as to what real harm this is doing?

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 5 Jan - 14:25

eddie wrote:Guys, I know this is a sensitive issue and I may be inclined to agree with you after you refute what I am about to say:

Isn't this war about ALL people dying? Does it matter where they come from? Isn't this Choudry just saying "Look, This war is bad and we have all these deaths too!" ?? Isn't it like saying "we're all people and this war is wrong?"

Maybe I am reading it wrong..? I am not saying that they shouldn't consider doing it elsewhere and very possibly I am not seeing the whole picture so can someone enlighten me as to what real harm this is doing?

I agree eddie: the war is wrong. However, I think that there are many other more appropriate places for Choudary to stage his march. He could choose a predominantly Muslim area, where his march would get support and I would say let him get on with it. He is choosing Wootton Bassett simply to be confrontational and not just to honour the dead citizens of Afghanistan. He could also stage his march to no. 10 Downing Street, which would be a much more appropriate place than Wootton Bassett.

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Post  Guest on Tue 5 Jan - 14:30

AnnaEsse wrote:
eddie wrote:Guys, I know this is a sensitive issue and I may be inclined to agree with you after you refute what I am about to say:

Isn't this war about ALL people dying? Does it matter where they come from? Isn't this Choudry just saying "Look, This war is bad and we have all these deaths too!" ?? Isn't it like saying "we're all people and this war is wrong?"

Maybe I am reading it wrong..? I am not saying that they shouldn't consider doing it elsewhere and very possibly I am not seeing the whole picture so can someone enlighten me as to what real harm this is doing?

I agree eddie: the war is wrong. However, I think that there are many other more appropriate places for Choudary to stage his march. He could choose a predominantly Muslim area, where his march would get support and I would say let him get on with it. He is choosing Wootton Bassett simply to be confrontational and not just to honour the dead citizens of Afghanistan. He could also stage his march to no. 10 Downing Street, which would be a much more appropriate place than Wootton Bassett.

Hi Anna, I think you are quite right in saying 10 Downing Street would be more appropriate...If he is doing this just to be confrontational then I am not sure what he thinks he may be achieving tbh.

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Post  Angelina on Tue 5 Jan - 14:34

There is no way he is being anything but confrontational (imo of course).

I'm sure there are plenty of horrified peace loving muslims out there who would not want the march either.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 5 Jan - 14:56

eddie wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
eddie wrote:Guys, I know this is a sensitive issue and I may be inclined to agree with you after you refute what I am about to say:

Isn't this war about ALL people dying? Does it matter where they come from? Isn't this Choudry just saying "Look, This war is bad and we have all these deaths too!" ?? Isn't it like saying "we're all people and this war is wrong?"

Maybe I am reading it wrong..? I am not saying that they shouldn't consider doing it elsewhere and very possibly I am not seeing the whole picture so can someone enlighten me as to what real harm this is doing?

I agree eddie: the war is wrong. However, I think that there are many other more appropriate places for Choudary to stage his march. He could choose a predominantly Muslim area, where his march would get support and I would say let him get on with it. He is choosing Wootton Bassett simply to be confrontational and not just to honour the dead citizens of Afghanistan. He could also stage his march to no. 10 Downing Street, which would be a much more appropriate place than Wootton Bassett.

Hi Anna, I think you are quite right in saying 10 Downing Street would be more appropriate...If he is doing this just to be confrontational then I am not sure what he thinks he may be achieving tbh.

I think he wants to achieve confrontation and he is producing anti-Muslim sentiment all over the internet. He is now saying that he will call off the march if the PM agrees to a debate on Afghanistan. I hope the PM refuses to negotiate with him. The police will decide whether the march goes ahead or not, not Anjem Choudary and it looks like permission will not be granted.

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UPDATE: Wootton Bassett Demo Group Challenges PM

Post  Guest on Tue 5 Jan - 15:18

Wootton Bassett Demo Group Challenges PM
Mark White, Home Affairs correspondent

An Islamist group organising a demo in Wootton Bassett has agreed to call it off - if the Prime Minister agrees to a debate on Afghanistan.
Islam4UK has said it would apply to police "in the next few days" for permission to protest in the Wiltshire town famous for honouring repatriated British troops.

The plan for the demonstration, which would see dozens of symbolic coffins representing Afghan civilians killed in the conflict, has caused widespread public anger.

More than 250,000 people have signed an online petition calling for it to be banned.

Now, Islam4UK leader Anjem Choudary has said it could be called off - as long as Gordon Brown or any of his ministers agrees to take part in a televised debate on the war.

He added that controversial cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed should be allowed to take part.

A Downing Street spokesman said Mr Brown had already made known his views on the planned march, which he described as "abhorrent and offensive".

The spokesman declined to comment on Mr Choudary's offer to call off the protest if the Prime Minister agreed to a debate.

Home Secretary Alan Johnson said he would have "no hesitation" in supporting a ban on the march if police or the council requested one.

The Wiltshire Islamic Cultural Centre has asked Wiltshire Police not to allow the march.

A statement on the group's website said: "We, along with all other Muslim community groups in Wiltshire and the surrounding area... unreservedly condemn this march and call on the organisers, Islam4UK, to not go ahead with it in the interests of public safety and the Muslims they claim to represent as well as to respect the rights of the people of Wootton Bassett and Wiltshire.

"We will hold Anjem Choudary and al-Muhajiroun responsible for any backlash against any Muslim in Wiltshire or elsewhere as a result of their proposed irresponsible and irrational actions and any insecurity brought upon the majority peaceful Muslim population."

The groups said they were willing to stage their own rally to "peacefully counter-demonstrate against Islam4UK" should the march be permitted to go ahead.

Hundreds of people are set to line the streets to pay their respects as the bodies of Rifleman Aiden Howell and Sapper David Watson are driven along Wootton Bassett's High Street.

Sapper Watson, 23, of 33 Engineer Regiment - a bomb disposal expert - and Rifleman Howell, 19, of 3rd Battalion the Rifles, were killed in Afghanistan in the last week of December.

The men have been flown in to nearby RAF Lyneham in advance of the funeral procession through Wootton watched by civic leaders, relatives and British Legion members.

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Post  malena stool on Tue 5 Jan - 21:32

eddie wrote:Wootton Bassett Demo Group Challenges PM
Mark White, Home Affairs correspondent

An Islamist group organising a demo in Wootton Bassett has agreed to call it off - if the Prime Minister agrees to a debate on Afghanistan.
Islam4UK has said it would apply to police "in the next few days" for permission to protest in the Wiltshire town famous for honouring repatriated British troops.

The plan for the demonstration, which would see dozens of symbolic coffins representing Afghan civilians killed in the conflict, has caused widespread public anger.

More than 250,000 people have signed an online petition calling for it to be banned.

Now, Islam4UK leader Anjem Choudary has said it could be called off - as long as Gordon Brown or any of his ministers agrees to take part in a televised debate on the war.

He added that controversial cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed should be allowed to take part.

A Downing Street spokesman said Mr Brown had already made known his views on the planned march, which he described as "abhorrent and offensive".

The spokesman declined to comment on Mr Choudary's offer to call off the protest if the Prime Minister agreed to a debate.

Home Secretary Alan Johnson said he would have "no hesitation" in supporting a ban on the march if police or the council requested one.

The Wiltshire Islamic Cultural Centre has asked Wiltshire Police not to allow the march.

A statement on the group's website said: "We, along with all other Muslim community groups in Wiltshire and the surrounding area... unreservedly condemn this march and call on the organisers, Islam4UK, to not go ahead with it in the interests of public safety and the Muslims they claim to represent as well as to respect the rights of the people of Wootton Bassett and Wiltshire.

"We will hold Anjem Choudary and al-Muhajiroun responsible for any backlash against any Muslim in Wiltshire or elsewhere as a result of their proposed irresponsible and irrational actions and any insecurity brought upon the majority peaceful Muslim population."

The groups said they were willing to stage their own rally to "peacefully counter-demonstrate against Islam4UK" should the march be permitted to go ahead.

Hundreds of people are set to line the streets to pay their respects as the bodies of Rifleman Aiden Howell and Sapper David Watson are driven along Wootton Bassett's High Street.

Sapper Watson, 23, of 33 Engineer Regiment - a bomb disposal expert - and Rifleman Howell, 19, of 3rd Battalion the Rifles, were killed in Afghanistan in the last week of December.

The men have been flown in to nearby RAF Lyneham in advance of the funeral procession through Wootton watched by civic leaders, relatives and British Legion members.

This latest obscenity if not stopped will simply turn moderate electors away from mainstream politics and give votes to extreme political parties.

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