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Post  Justiceforallkids on Wed 13 Jan - 12:24

Flores: It was a scandal to see such nasty portraits painted of the Portuguese investigators by the British media. 2 minutes ago from web

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 12:27

carlymichelle wrote:
Harvesmom wrote:Glamorous judge Maria Gabriela Cunha Rodrigues halts the cross-examination of Mr Flores by the McCanns' lawyer, saying it is not relevant.
half a minute ago from web

hmmm is this good or bad?

Neither, it is usual for a Judge to interject when a barrister tries to take their cross examination too far.

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Post  Justiceforallkids on Wed 13 Jan - 12:28

Flores: Mr Amaral was the co-ordinator of the investigation. He was not in the field. less than a minute ago from web



Flores: Mr Amaral was the victim of a smear campain. He is a good professional with a good technical background. 1 minute ago from web

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 12:29

oooh all this irrelevant cross examining by the McCann's lawyer... this is becoming more and more interesting.

Just hope it doesn't jeopardise any future trials that may arise!!!

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Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 12:36

The Famous Grouse wrote:
quickfingers wrote:
vengefulangel wrote:
Marky wrote:
quickfingers wrote:...Luis Frois.

who is this? thanks.

Supposedly the head/owner of a telecommunications company in Portugal!

I expect he will give evidence to say that there was a technical glitch that wiped out Gerrys stored texts and calls but left Kates in place

I think someone else said they found a Luis Frois in the film industry in Portugal too - so could be either.

I found a Luis Frois in the Security business as well. But he is in Brasil. There is a Luis Froes who is a Film producer, in Portugal, which I jokingly suggested might be a pal of Jon Corners; can anybody remember the name of Corner's company which was wound up with no explanation? I might be on to something.

He probably wound it up because there was a far more lucrative position as fund manager waiting....think the company was called RIVER! or something like that. There was talk of him being the one who set up maddies website (£36k) paid out for the creation/fund money.

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  ann_chovey on Wed 13 Jan - 12:41

Jon Corner....River media productions

http://www.applegate.co.uk/all-industry/river-media-motion-picture-video-activities-1211465.htm

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Justiceforallkids on Wed 13 Jan - 12:43

The proceedings have adjourned for lunch. Back in an hour's time. 1 minute ago from web
Duarte: What does the title of the book (by Mr Amaral) mean? Flores: The book is a thesis, not the absolute truth.


hmmmmmm that last line worrys me....


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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  margaret on Wed 13 Jan - 12:43

vengefulangel wrote:
carlymichelle wrote:
Harvesmom wrote:Glamorous judge Maria Gabriela Cunha Rodrigues halts the cross-examination of Mr Flores by the McCanns' lawyer, saying it is not relevant.
half a minute ago from web

hmmm is this good or bad?

Neither, it is usual for a Judge to interject when a barrister tries to take their cross examination too far.

Disagree with you there, the McCanns lawyer couldn't get to ask the question she wanted to because the judge says it's irrelevant - so it's good. (Even if it's a very small victory)

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  margaret on Wed 13 Jan - 12:46

carlymichelle wrote:The proceedings have adjourned for lunch. Back in an hour's time. 1 minute ago from web
Duarte: What does the title of the book (by Mr Amaral) mean? Flores: The book is a thesis, not the absolute truth.


hmmmmmm that last line worrys me....

It did me at first, but she's asking about the TITLE of the book, not what's in it...?

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Post  halfamo on Wed 13 Jan - 12:47

I'm quietly upbeat about this at the moment,hoping they've scored an own goal,fingers crossed.

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 12:47

carlymichelle wrote:The proceedings have adjourned for lunch. Back in an hour's time. 1 minute ago from web
Duarte: What does the title of the book (by Mr Amaral) mean? Flores: The book is a thesis, not the absolute truth.


hmmmmmm that last line worrys me....

I wonder if something got lost in translation here. I could have understood it if he'd said, it is an opinion based on facts or something

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Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 12:49

1001 thanks to everyone for posting this stuff. I missed this mornings fun and games.... I had to do some work :-(

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Alpine Aster on Wed 13 Jan - 12:50

Is Sky Live Feed on today just signed on Line but I can't get it on Sky, Does anyone know? please.
I saw Gerry on Sky News he is not a happy bunny he was angry, he is not liking this at all I do believe they will rue the day they went ahead with this, whatever the outcome they have lost.

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 12:54

Alpine Aster wrote:Is Sky Live Feed on today just signed on Line but I can't get it on Sky, Does anyone know? please.
I saw Gerry on Sky News he is not a happy bunny he was angry, he is not liking this at all I do believe they will rue the day they went ahead with this, whatever the outcome they have lost.

Yes its there Alpine,

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/McCanns-Face-More-Cover-Up-Claims/Article/201001215520802?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15520802_McCanns_Face_More_Cover-Up_Claims

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  hobnob on Wed 13 Jan - 12:54

the full proceedings up till lunchtime

9:54 jondipaolo: Kate and gerry mcann are sitting outside the court, only a few yards away from where mr amaral and his team are standing.

9:59 jondipaolo: Gerry mccann outside court: we've heard no evidence madeleine is dead.

10:00 jondipaolo: Gerry mccann: we're not denying the existence of the dogs, or anything else. It's evidence we're interested in.

10:02 jondipaolo: Gerry mccann: this is the legal process we're going through to protect our daughter. We're looking for more information to help the search.

10:03 jondipaolo: Gerry mccann: anyone else with children would do the same.

10:15 jondipaolo: Mr amaral claimed victory outside court, saying the witnesses had borne out his argument.

10:38 jondipaolo: We're back in court. The first witness is moita flores, former senior policeman and noted public figure

10:41 jondipaolo: Flores: this case involves a question of freedom of speech.

10:44 jondipaolo: Flores is an acquaintance of amaral's and wrote the preface to the sequel to his book about madeleine.

10:50 jondipaolo: Flores: PJ investigation was based on well-established principles of police work adhered to all over the world.

10:54 jondipaolo: Flores: mcanns have been trying to convince police since the beginning that abduction was the only line of inquiry worth pursuing.

11:02 jondipaolo: Flores: I have spoken to respected experts on crime and none of them agrees it would be possible to pass a child through the window

11:03 jondipaolo: Flores: It is not possible to ask an investigator anywhere in the free world to follow the abduction line only.

11:03 jondipaolo: Flores: We would all like to find Madeleine alive, but that is another thing.

11:03 jondipaolo: Flores: Our constitutional rights cannot be attacked.

11:05 jondipaolo: Flores: The good name of the McCann family is not attacked by Mr Amaral's book. The book is about the investigation.

11:11 jondipaolo: As on the first day of the case, the McCanns are sitting on the front bench, listening impassively to the proceedings

11:12 jondipaolo: Flores: No judge should be able to order people not to think about a case just because the police investigation has ceased,

11:17 jondipaolo: Flores: No-one should be allowed to steal our constitutional rights - rights that were very hard to win. That is what this trial is about.

11:24 jondipaolo: Mr Flores is being cross-examined by a lawyer from a Portuguese television company that aired a documentary based on Mr Amaral's book.

11:26 jondipaolo: Flores: It is not true to say that the police only pursued the line of inquiry that the McCanns were guilty.

11:26 jondipaolo: Flores: Many, many hours were spend by officers checking out every other possible line of inquiry.

11:27 jondipaolo: Flores: A detective has to think about what went through the head of the victim and the criminal.

11:30 jondipaolo: Flores: It would have been a very stupid person who tried to pass a sleeping child through the window of the McCanns' holiday flat.

11:30 jondipaolo: Flores: The theory about passing the child through the window makes it seem as though someone is trying to fool the police.

11:41 jondipaolo: The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte , is repeating the same question to Mr Flores. Yesterday, she became quite impassioned on their behalf.

11:42 jondipaolo: The McCanns are both in conversation with their interpreters. Gerry however looks relaxed and smiles as he talks.

11:47 jondipaolo: Flores: I worked in a different part of the police to Mr Amaral but I know him from the investigation and I respect him a lot.

12:00 jondipaolo: Isabel Duarte, the McCanns' top lawyer, leaves the bench and approaches the couple for a quick huddled chat before returning to the fray.

12:04 jondipaolo: Flores: This case is pathetic. A citizen is being prevented from freely expressing his opinions in a reponsible way.

12:06 jondipaolo: Flores: The McCanns have every right to do everything they can beyond what the Portuguese police did in order to find their daughter.

12:12 jondipaolo: Flores: The documentary (based on Mr Amaral's) book is a hypothesis that believers take to be the truth.

12:13 jondipaolo: Flores: The book is autobiographical, it traces a period of Mr Amaral's life.

12:16 jondipaolo: Flores: Sections of the British media spread propaganda about Mr Amaral.

12:20 jondipaolo: Glamorous judge Maria Gabriela Cunha Rodrigues halts the cross-examination of Mr Flores by the McCanns' lawyer, saying it is not relevant.

12:22 jondipaolo: Flores: It was a scandal to see such nasty portraits painted of the Portuguese investigators by the British media.

12:27 jondipaolo: Flores: Mr Amaral was the victim of a smear campain. He is a good professional with a good technical background

12:27 jondipaolo: Flores: Mr Amaral was the co-ordinator of the investigation. He was not in the field.

12:40 jondipaolo: Duarte: What does the title of the book (by Mr Amaral) mean? Flores: The book is a thesis, not the absolute truth.

12:41 jondipaolo: The proceedings have adjourned for lunch. Back in an hour's time.

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  ann_chovey on Wed 13 Jan - 12:55

Alpine Aster wrote:Is Sky Live Feed on today just signed on Line but I can't get it on Sky, Does anyone know? please.
I saw Gerry on Sky News he is not a happy bunny he was angry, he is not liking this at all I do believe they will rue the day they went ahead with this, whatever the outcome they have lost.

I think we are mostly following via this...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Madeleine-McCann-Kate-And-Gerry-Goncalo-Amaral-Lisbon-Libel-Case-Enters-Second-Day/Article/201001215520367?lpos=World_News_First_UK_News_Article_Teaser_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15520367_Madeleine_McCann%3A_Kate_And_Gerry_Goncalo_Amaral_Lisbon_Libel_Case_Enters_Second_Day

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Alpine Aster on Wed 13 Jan - 12:56

Harvesmom wrote:
Alpine Aster wrote:Is Sky Live Feed on today just signed on Line but I can't get it on Sky, Does anyone know? please.
I saw Gerry on Sky News he is not a happy bunny he was angry, he is not liking this at all I do believe they will rue the day they went ahead with this, whatever the outcome they have lost.

Yes its there Alpine,

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/McCanns-Face-More-Cover-Up-Claims/Article/201001215520802?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_2&lid=ARTICLE_15520802_McCanns_Face_More_Cover-Up_Claims

Thank you Harvesmom ya a star.
Thank you Ann too.


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Post  halfamo on Wed 13 Jan - 12:56

Yes AA the live feed is on Sky website i've had in on all morning,i'm upbeat at the moment.

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 12:57

Marky wrote:
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Marky wrote:
quickfingers wrote:...Luis Frois.

who is this? thanks.

Apparently he is a Telecommunications expert, probably to do with the tap put on the McCanns mobiles,
invasion of privacy because they were not arguidos then.

hmm, so were they were worried the alleged tex messages were going to used in this, being a civil case, though they were deemed inadmissable in any criminal case and they were going to use this guy to admit he acted unlawfully?


Marky, it"s the other way around. the British Police took State of the Art equipment to Portugal to monitor the
McCanns Mobiles, several texts were deleted. The PJ later asked if the evidence they had could be allowed but the Judge refused on the grounds of Privacy but said they could use the triangulations. This guy Frios will
probably testify that it was an invasion of the McCanns privacy to monitor their calls.

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Post  Guest on Wed 13 Jan - 12:57

Gerry is not happy at all... but what did he expect?

What worries me though, is if us mere mortals knew that Mr Amaral's defence would bring all this up, the McCann's lawyers must definately have known what to expect.

Just very curious and slightly worried what they have up their sleeves.

Suppose we just have to have faith that justice will be done, without jeopardising any future trials.

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Post  Alpine Aster on Wed 13 Jan - 12:58

halfamo wrote:Yes AA the live feed is on Sky website i've had in on all morning,i'm upbeat at the moment.

Hi Mo\o thank you too for Sky info.
I hope you are feeling better now?, good to see you
Ole Gerry lost it this Morning he has a temper on him thats for sure.
They have lost whatever the outcome.

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Post  halfamo on Wed 13 Jan - 13:01

Alpine Aster wrote:
halfamo wrote:Yes AA the live feed is on Sky website i've had in on all morning,i'm upbeat at the moment.

Hi Mo\o thank you too for Sky info.
I hope you are feeling better now?, good to see you

And to see you AA,got to pop out catcha later.

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Post  margaret on Wed 13 Jan - 13:06

beausnanna wrote:Gerry is not happy at all... but what did he expect?

What worries me though, is if us mere mortals knew that Mr Amaral's defence would bring all this up, the McCann's lawyers must definately have known what to expect.

Just very curious and slightly worried what they have up their sleeves.

Suppose we just have to have faith that justice will be done, without jeopardising any future trials.

Agree with you, l cannot imagine why they would go through with this, they have GOT to have something good because they are getting a hammering.

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Re: Sky Live Day 2 - 13/01/10

Post  Alpine Aster on Wed 13 Jan - 13:13

Thank you Hobnob for the Transcript x.

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Post  dazedandconfused on Wed 13 Jan - 13:13

margaret wrote:
beausnanna wrote:Gerry is not happy at all... but what did he expect?

What worries me though, is if us mere mortals knew that Mr Amaral's defence would bring all this up, the McCann's lawyers must definately have known what to expect.

Just very curious and slightly worried what they have up their sleeves.

Suppose we just have to have faith that justice will be done, without jeopardising any future trials.

Agree with you, l cannot imagine why they would go through with this, they have GOT to have something good because they are getting a hammering.

I do hope you're wrong margaret.

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