Is this Armageddon for Murdoch and NewsCorp?

Well, Well, Well, seems surveillance was favoured from 2003.!!!!!!

Remember Tom Watson who bought shares in Newscorp so he could attend the AGM? He is a Lawyer and Labour MP and said at the time there would be a big surprise coming. Well, the News of the World used surveillance to spy on a myriad of Celebrities and Royalty, plus MP"s and this was going on since 2003. How will James Murdoch explain this away to the PCC meeting on Thiursday .

IT WAS SAYING ON THE NEWS THAT ABOUT 200 FRIENDS AND FAMILY OF THE ROYAL FAMILY(PRINCE WILLIAM ETC)WERE UNDER SURVEILLANCE BY NOTW HIRED DETECTIVES.

Badboy wrote:IT WAS SAYING ON THE NEWS THAT ABOUT 200 FRIENDS AND FAMILY OF THE ROYAL FAMILY(PRINCE WILLIAM ETC)WERE UNDER SURVEILLANCE BY NOTW HIRED DETECTIVES.

Prince William and Harry were mentioned, Angelina Jolie, Boris Johnson, David Beckham , Tom Watson and several other MP"s to name a few and this was going on from 2003. Add to this the £1.7 million paid to whatshername and there is no way the Murdochs will stay on the Board of Newscorp.

I bet James is very nervous about his expected grilling by the PCC and if found guilty of lying, he could go to prison.

AT THIS RATE,I WILL NEED A LIST TO KEEP UP WITH THE EVER INCREASING LIST OF VICTIMS.

Badboy wrote:AT THIS RATE,I WILL NEED A LIST TO KEEP UP WITH THE EVER INCREASING LIST OF VICTIMS.

Rupert Murdoch must have known what was going on, why would he pay whatsername £1.7 million, free use of a London Office and a chauffer driven
car if that wasn"t hush money? James cameron is looking distinctly more devious now, he certainly socialised with Murdoch and was happy to let him
help him yo win the Election.

Panda

Didn't "Whatshername" say right at the beginning of this hacking saga something like - "wait till you hear about what's really been going on- your jaw will drop". Maybe she has been silenced about what she knows as you say. she will be ok though - she's friends with Cameron.

Angelique wrote:Panda

Didn't "Whatshername" say right at the beginning of this hacking saga something like - "wait till you hear about what's really been going on- your jaw will drop". Maybe she has been silenced about what she knows as you say. she will be ok though - she's friends with Cameron.

Doesn"t it make you sick Angelique, the corruption in Politics, David Cameron is a Minnow in European Politics yet thinks he has a say in what should be done. He will rue the day he denied the British people a referendum.

A new CEO is to replace the existing CEO at Newscorp"s Interests in Australia......could it have something to do with the Austrralian Prime
Minister ordering an investigation when the phone tapping by the NOTW surfaced.

Newscorp is ordering an enquiry said to turn on Staff in the wake of James Murdoch"s meeting with the PCC and the revelations about
surveillance.

Apparently James Murdochs statement at the PCC meeting was contested within 24 hours.At the end of the month he faces the board of bskyb, will he be asked to resign ?

I wouldn"t be surpised if the shareholders demand the resignations of all the Murdochs from Newscorp with this latest news

Panda

I agree - the Murdoch's are a dirty name now - it seems this hacking has gone deeper and wider than even the majority of people suspected.

Your mention of a referendum makes me wonder about the word "suppression". After the treatment of the student rally today police-wise - one begins to wonder if the Government are beginning to go down the same road as all the other countries. There is only so far that you can push the electorate and maybe, just maybe they have taken the wrong turning. It's still subtle - the control that they have - but the people will only take so much.

Badboy is right in his post to remind us that we are on the verge of a depression.

Angelique wrote:Panda

I agree - the Murdoch's are a dirty name now - it seems this hacking has gone deeper and wider than even the majority of people suspected.

Your mention of a referendum makes me wonder about the word "suppression". After the treatment of the student rally today police-wise - one begins to wonder if the Government are beginning to go down the same road as all the other countries. There is only so far that you can push the electorate and maybe, just maybe they have taken the wrong turning. It's still subtle - the control that they have - but the people will only take so much.

Badboy is right in his post to remind us that we are on the verge of a depression.

Yes Angelique, certainly a recession , but yet again the rich will get richer aand the poor get poorer. I caught the tail end of the News earlier and Bernie Eccles of Formula One racing Cars fame could be in trouble with the Tax Man. It"s to do with some dispute he has with a Foreigner
and Eccles paid him millions, but from an offshore bank account so HMR are investigating on whether he should pay U.K. Tax. Also, I think
the Murdochs are interested in buying Formula One.

David Cameron knows if he agrees to a referendum , not just him, but the LibDems are very pro=Europe, so it could cause an election
because the LD"s might end the coalition.

Oh I didn't know that Murdoch was interested in Formula One! Yes - Ecclestone apparently paid a Banker to avoid a costly tax investigation?

So Cameron has power but with one hand tied behind his back. I have to admit the coalition has not been an unmitigated success. Though the LD on their own now are a spent force IMO. If there was an election, it would be a foregone conclusion - Labour - Yikes!

Did you know the students where informed by the police that they were prepared to fire rubber bullets at any threat to their officers? The Police were determined there would be no meeting up with the protestors at St. Pauls - they were very heavy handed. Wrong decision IMO. If people are not allowed to protest without being herded like animals there will be a reaction. From the way the police were talking in interview it sounded just like other places - Syria, China - it was - "We have a range of tactics to deal with any trouble".

Angelique wrote:Oh I didn't know that Murdoch was interested in Formula One! Yes - Ecclestone apparently paid a Banker to avoid a costly tax investigation?

So Cameron has power but with one hand tied behind his back. I have to admit the coalition has not been an unmitigated success. Though the LD on their own now are a spent force IMO. If there was an election, it would be a foregone conclusion - Labour - Yikes!

Did you know the students where informed by the police that they were prepared to fire rubber bullets at any threat to their officers? The Police were determined there would be no meeting up with the protestors at St. Pauls - they were very heavy handed. Wrong decision IMO. If people are not allowed to protest without being herded like animals there will be a reaction. From the way the police were talking in interview it sounded just like other places - Syria, China - it was - "We have a range of tactics to deal with any trouble".

sorry Angelique , I disagree with you on this. The last Student protest ended in a riot with Students smashing windows, throwing paint over
the Police Vans and cars, pushing over wheelie bins and the worst of all, a Cambridge Student throwing a Fire extinguisher from a roof,
narowly missing a Policeman. That"s not protesting that"s hooliganism, note too the masked brigade ready to cause trouble, cowards that
they are not to show their faces.

Compare this with the OWS march where some formed a human chain to stop masked demonstrators destroying a shop and tne Jarrow
marchers and anarchy , not genuine protests is rife. Students don"t have to repay the Loan until they have finished their education and earning a good wage , which they will,. Repayment is not onerous and I think only &% interest is charged, so why are they protesting.?

The Chairman of an Asset Management Company with bskyb shares in it"s portfolio says James Murdoch faces a tough time with the PCC.
He cannot change his statemennt because that would assume he was lying before, a grave offence. He cannot say he didn"t know what was
going on because the two ex Employees say he did. He thinks JM will have sought legal advice on how to proceed at the Meeting.

In the meantime, JM is certain to be voted off Newscorp, he had 35% negative votes, his brother Lachlan 44%.

I think Rupert Murdoch will also be asked to step down from Newscorp with the news that a new CEO has been appointed to manage it"s
Australian assets and the severance payment to whatsername. the share structure of Newscorp where the Murdochs hold a 40% stake yet have
70% voting rights will be challenged . If Murdoch doesn"t agree to restructure, there is probably a U.S. Companies Law which will force him to,
especially as it is now proven that the Murdochs are not fit to Govern.

9:44am UK, Thursday November 10, 2011

David Bowden, senior news correspondent


James Murdoch appears before the Media Select Committee for a second time
later with his evidence to MPs earlier this year being questioned.


News International (NI) originally asserted that phone hacking was confined
to one rogue reporter.


joey jones on the questions facing james murdoch








Mr Murdoch, NI Chairman, told the committee in July that he was not shown
evidence that hacking was more widespread.

However, evidence that has emerged in recent months has called his account
into question.

Since this summer's hearing, the Metropolitan Police have said they believe
thousands of people may have been targeted by the newspaper.

Rupert Murdoch's son and corporate heir has never had his personal and
business credibility questioned so closely.

One of the most high profile phone-hacking lawyers, Charlotte Harris, said:
"It does seem to be totally implausible that he didn't know what was going
on.

"Even if his evidence was in fact correct, the shareholders simply were not
informed of the investigations that were going on."


July 19, 2011: James Murdoch on 'smoking gun' email










Earlier this week NI admitted it had hired a private investigator to carry
out surveillance on Ms Harris and another lawyer acting for hacking victim Mark
Lewis, whose family were spied on by a former policeman Derek Webb in an attempt
to discredit the solicitors as the scandal gathered momentum.

Last week a series of damning NI internal documents were released, clearly
showing the company was aware at a very senior level that phone hacking was
widespread and that other illegal activities were going on at the News Of The
World.

Late last month a former NI lawyer, Julian Pike of Farrer and Co, told the
Select Committee the legal advice was clear: "You had three journalists other
than Goodman (Clive Goodman former royal editor at the News Of The World who was
also the original "one rogue reporter") involved in phone hacking.

"There was a powerful case to support a culture of illegal accessing of
information to get stories."

Already the phone-hacking scandal has damaged James Murdoch's business
reputation, with a mass vote against him at News Corp's shareholders' meeting
last month in Los Angeles.


highlights of murdochs' committee evidence, July 19,2011








Here, the City is watching him closely - though analyst Ian Whittaker from
Liberum Capital told Sky News there is a "wait and see attitude in the UK".

"Obviously a lot of things have gone on but at the same time James Murdoch
has been consistent in his defence.

"I don't think there is a feeling of 'let's throw him under a bus if he
hasn't had a full chance to explain himself'."

James Murdoch is Chairman of BSkyB - the board of which has so far backed
him.

Nevertheless, James Murdoch's appearance before the select committee promises
to be an uncomfortable one - and his professional future may depend on his
performance.

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James Murdoch: I Wasn't Shown Key Email

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11:47am UK, Thursday November 10, 2011


James Murdoch has insisted he was not made aware of the extent of phone
hacking at the News of the World back in 2008.


The executive chairman of News International told MPs he was never shown a
crucial email revealing the practice at the paper was more widespread.

Giving evidence to the Culture, Media and Sport Committee for the second
time, Mr Murdoch admitted he was made aware of the document.

But he denied claims made by the paper's former editor Colin Myler and legal
manager Tom Crone that he was told it indicated wider wrongdoing.

He said: "The nature of the so-called 'For Neville' email... any wider spread
or evidence or suspicion of wider spread wrongdoing - none of these things were
mentioned to me."

He told MPs the meeting had been to discuss increasing an offer to settle a
legal claim brought by the chief executive of the Professional Footballers'
Association Gordon Taylor.

"The meeting, which I remember quite well, was a short meeting, and I was
given at that meeting sufficient information to authorise the increase of the
settlement offers that had been made but I was given no more than that," he
said.


highlights of murdochs' committee evidence, July 19,2011








Mr Murdoch explained that the email was important for two reasons - firstly
because it was a transcript of "voice interceptions made on behalf of the News
Of The World" and secondly was that it named another journalist working for the
paper.

"That second part, that importance, was not described to me in detail or at
all," he said.

"It was not described as the For Neville email, and I want to be very clear.
No documents were shown to me at that meeting or were given to me at that
meeting."

The NI boss also said he could not recall discussing the Taylor case with Mr
Myler before June 10 2008.

This contradicts documents released by the company's former lawyers Farrer
& Co last week which suggested an earlier discussion between the two in late
May.

A briefing note prepared at the time by Mr Crone said that the discovery of
the "For Neville" email left the company in a "very perilous" position.

Mr Murdoch said: "The first and only substantive meeting or conversation that
I recall about the matter was the June 10 meeting with Mr Crone and Mr Myler,
although I cannot rule out whether or not he called me or stopped me in the
hallway, or something like that, for a brief conversation," he told MPs.

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was not given to him by Colin Myler and Tom Crone in May 2008
• Murdoch stated he has never seen the 'for Neville' email
• He described Myler and Crone's testimony as 'misleading'
• Murdoch described Tom Watson MP's line of questioning about the mafia as 'offensive'
• He said the use of an investigator to spy on hacking victims' lawyers was 'appalling'
• Murdoch said he could not rule out closing the Sun were it to be proved that phone hacking took place at the paper


By George she"s got it........Iv"e learned how to embolden.
The Sun will be the next scandal .
Davies, one of the PCC Committee Members says he cannot believe any
self respecting CEO would not want to see details of £500,000
paid for "services" rendered.
Now, with the latest allegations of surveillance of Celebrities they don"t need phone hacking to close the Paper down.

Thanks AnnaEsse, well James fooled no one, but as the reporter said, it didn"t prove that he lied.......if the two Staff said 24 hrs later that he
knew, why didn"t the PCC get SY to find the evidence??? Nothing has been resolved has it.

However, I have faith in Newscorp and the latest revelation that the Sun was involved in surveillance and the Australian COE has been
replaced after an investigation ordered by the Prime Minister will be enough to oust all the Murdochs , not forgetting the £1.7 million paid to
Rebekah.

Panda wrote:Thanks AnnaEsse, well James fooled no one, but as the reporter said, it didn"t prove that he lied.......if the two Staff said 24 hrs later that he
knew, why didn"t the PCC get SY to find the evidence??? Nothing has been resolved has it.

However, I have faith in Newscorp and the latest revelation that the Sun was involved in surveillance and the Australian COE has been
replaced after an investigation ordered by the Prime Minister will be enough to oust all the Murdochs , not forgetting the £1.7 million paid to
Rebekah.

"Mr Murdoch, you must be the first Mafia boss in history who couldn't know he was running a criminal enterprise!"

Sorry not been reading much of this so just got to say (probably repeat what others think) that this hacking business is absolutely shameful,and if either of the murdoch's or any other major player in the newspaper business claims to have not known whats going on then i would say they lie with as many teeth (real or false dont care) as they have and they should all be put down a pit and exposed for the slugs that they are.

James Murdoch has been labelled as "the Man who knew nothing about his Company."

Newscorp faces fury of Shareholders at the JM fiasco and the Sun surveillance scandal. There is to be an enquiry by the Board of Newscorp.

bskyb shareholders should reject James Murdoch at the meeting later this month says sdvisory Glass News ..

James Murdoch as laughing stock: not good for survival prospects at BSkyB



Chairmen of FTSE 100 companies don't usually last long when they are being ridiculed






































James Murdoch gives evidence at Westminster yesterday. Photograph: Reuters





Bosses of FTSE 100 companies don't usually last long when they become a laughing stock. James Murdoch finds himself in this position today, the widespread response to his testimony to parliament yesterday being captured by the Telegraph's pocket cartoonist, Matt. Brilliant.
Being
chairman of a large public company requires an ability or willingness
to ask tough questions of executives and to stick your nose into their
affairs of behalf of shareholders. Those were not qualities on display
at News International, it is felt. The Guardian's leader styles Murdoch as The Man Who Wasn't There. The Times leader (paywall) concludes that "a powerful organisation with a victim complex has the capacity to do great damage, not least to itself." Alex Brummer in the Mail says Murdoch's failure to track the cash "smacks of inexperience and even incompetence".
News Corporation owns 39% of the shares in BSkyB.
But the official line, or polite fiction, has always been that James
Murdoch is chairman on merit, having performed commendably as chief
executive (if one ignores the big loss on buying a stake in ITV). It's
rather harder to maintain that stance now that fundamental questions of
business judgment are being raised.
The other argument has been
that non-News Corp shareholders want James Murdoch as their chairman.
Well, we'll see about that they vote on resolution 9 at the annual meeting
on 29 November. But, if the vote against Murdoch's re-election turns
out to be modest – say 20% of non-News Corp votes – senior non-executive
directors such as Nicholas Ferguson and Jacques Nasser should ask why.
Part
of the answer, one suspects, is that having a weakened Murdoch as
chairman could be viewed as having a few advantages, from the point of
view of ordinary shareholders. A showdown would be avoided but Murdoch
might be less inclined to push any issue where the interests of News
Corp could be construed as colliding with those of other investors;
madcap adventures like the ITV share-purchase might be thought less
likely to happen.
But, come on, these are poor arguments. The
non-executives' job is to do what's best for the company. They should
ditch James Murdoch for two good reasons: he's not the best person for
the role and having an independent chairman is a healthier way to live.














































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Nils Pratley

Friday 11 November 2011

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Parliamentary committee likely to characterise James Murdoch as ill-informed rather than mendacious

Iv"e included some of the comments because they are interesting.......PANDA

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Tom Crone, News International's chief lawyer at the time phone hacking was rife, is likely to be severely reprimanded by the culture, media and sport select committee.

The parliamentary committee investigating phone hacking at the News of the World is expected to heavily criticise Tom Crone, the paper's former lawyer, when it publishes its report into the affair.
Highly placed Westminster sources said Crone was likely to be severely reprimanded by the Commons culture, media and sport select committee over his failure to fully answer questions about surveillance carried out by the paper when he gave evidence in September.
Crone told MPs in September he "may" have commissioned private investigators "a long time ago maybe … on various things like tracing, maybe a bit of surveillance".
James Murdoch is expected to be characterised as ill-informed rather than mendacious by MPs, but News Corp's deputy chief operating officer is also likely to emerge with little credit when the report is finally published.
It is thought MPs will express surprise at Murdoch's lack of knowledge about phone hacking at the paper at a time when several key documents were circulating within the company that clearly showed the practice was widespread.
Murdoch said on Thursday in his own evidence to the committee that it was Crone and another unnamed NoW executive who commissioned a private investigator to spy on two lawyers who are acting for phone-hacking victims suing the paper. MPs are believed to be furious at what they regard as Crone's failure to offer up the whole truth about his involvement in that activity.
Colin Myler, the NoW's former editor, is also likely to be criticised in the report to be published at the end of the year or the beginning of 2012. MPs are expected to attack him for saying in September 2009 that the company had conducted its own inquiry two years earlier and "no evidence was found" that hacking went any further than a single NoW journalist.
Myler also told MPs: "No evidence or information emerged to suggest that others at the News of the World knew of these activities or were complicit in them." The committee is likely to take Myler to task because at the time he made that statement in 2009, he had seen the "for Neville" email, which showed the practice was not limited to a single "rogue reporter".
Crone had also seen that email. The question about whether its content was discussed with Murdoch remains a matter of dispute between the News International chairman and the two former NoW executives. The committee's chairman, Conservative MP John Whittingdale, has said: "It is plain that of the two accounts we've heard, one of them can't be true." Myler issued a statement late on Thursday insisting: "My evidence to the select committee has been entirely accurate and consistent."
Murdoch will come under further pressure at the end of the month, when he faces re-election as Sky chairman at its AGM. Its independent directors wrote to Sky shareholders on Friday urging them to vote in favour of Murdoch and arguing there was no evidence of "any negative reputational effect on the company as a result of the News of the World issues".
Sky's deputy chairman, Nick Ferguson, wrote that Murdoch had "always acted with integrity". But it emerged that a powerful shareholder body, the Association of British Insurers, will urge its members to consider carefully whether to re-elect Murdoch on the grounds that his family connections cast doubt on his independence. News Corp, which is controlled by Murdoch family trusts, owns 39.1% of BSkyB.
The ABI stopped short of recommending its members to vote against, however. Murdoch is expected to win because the News Corp stake means nearly every one of the remaining independent investors would have to vote against for him to lose. But a sizeable rebellion would be embarrassing, particularly if it is followed soon after by a withering verdict from the select committee.
MPs are expected to point to Murdoch's failure to ask detailed questions about why Myler and Crone recommended paying phone-hacking victim Gordon Taylor £725,000 to settle a hacking action in 2008 as evidence of ineffectual leadership. But they will stop short of calling the veracity of his testimony into question. The committee is highly unlikely to call any more witnesses or hear any more evidence.
Separately, News International has told Myler's solicitors it will not hand over company records, including business diaries and emails that could corroborate his claims he told James Murdoch about the significance of the "for Neville" email.
He made the request more than a week ago but it was declined.
Asked during Thursday's hearing if he would release the files, Murdoch said: "We can review that and I can come back to you."
News International refused to say last night if it would now grant Myler's request. "We will respond to the committee," said a spokesman.
It is unclear what, if any, sanctions the select committee could levy for misleading parliament. The hacking inquiry broke new ground when it threatened to summon James Murdoch and his father Rupert to give evidence in July, a power that had not been used for centuries, before they eventually agreed to appear.

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• StivBator11 November 2011 8:16PM
  
  A pit of snakes.
  And I don't mean the MPs.
  
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• Strummered11 November 2011 8:17PM
  
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• TheGreatRonRafferty11 November 2011 8:17PM
  
  Blimey - a private sector company where the Top Bods knew nothing at all. This must be unique in the sector.
  (Just thought I'd help the right-wingers out a bit with a sarcastic remark).
  
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• Christoh11 November 2011 8:19PM
  
  So the whole thing came to nothing? The one opportunity to shake ourselves free of this evil corporation has passed with a whimper? This Committee should strap its bells on and press charges, otherwise News and the Murdochs win - at our expense. The opportunity to purge this once great country of these snakes must be grasped.
  
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• flanders11 November 2011 8:20PM
  
  "James Murdoch claims truth about phone-hacking was hidden from him"
  Well, he would wouldn't he!
  
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• dapperdanielle11 November 2011 8:21PM
  
  Does that mean he gets off with a ' Try not to do this again' and is then able to put in another bid for BSkyB?
  How can the UK ensure that our media and our politicians no longer have to tug their forelocks at NI?
  NI has been warping our media for long enough.
  
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• Ishowerdaily11 November 2011 8:21PM
  
  Everything back to normal then, these muppets had a chance to finish the Murdochs of and they bottled it, suppose it'l help there retirement.
  
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• consfearacy11 November 2011 8:22PM
  
  Christ! they are all f'n guilty!
  I can feel the noose tightening around people like this, lets hope it gets really tight so they realise that money isn't everything!
  
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• Rubbernuke11 November 2011 8:22PM
  
  How can you not know what your company and employees are doing, and how can a company refuse to hand over vital evidence to an investigation?
  It seems the most powerful people in this case can evade prosecution by feigning ignorance and stupidity, and the people asking the questions are gullible idiots for believing this bilge.
  If this was a hospital rather than a newspaper the courts would destroy those who were to blame without blinking.
  
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• n340811 November 2011 8:23PM
  
  Mensch won't be writing it
  She has a 'school run'
  
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• jeremyll3311 November 2011 8:23PM
  
  Hey what the hell happened to the Omnigate forum?
  
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• StivBator11 November 2011 8:23PM
  
  The MPs can make their judgement and the public will make their own.
  James Murdoch was not believable. £800k paid off without even some serious questions? Just doesn't scan I'm afraid.
  But then James would likely be call centre manager (and I am not denigrating them) if it wasn't for his very very rich daddy.
  Imagine if he actually had to compete?
  
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• ArseneKnows11 November 2011 8:24PM
  
  I would hope that one thing that comes out of this is a new look at giving committees similar powers to those in the USA where one can be compelled to attend, evidence is given under oath and penalties for lying can be years in prison.
  We need to have transparency from everyone and just as noone should be above the law noone should be able to lie to or ignore the elected representatives of the people.
  
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• consfearacy11 November 2011 8:25PM
  
  Response to Ishowerdaily, 11 November 2011 8:21PMNo it wouldn't, they have men who will take over, trust me!
  
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• Vibedoctor11 November 2011 8:26PM
  
  Somebody is lying and after all this time and effort no one knows who it is so we just give in and give everyone a meaningless ticking off in a report.
  I assume that the police corruption will end up going the same way.
  Everything is back to normal, folks. On Armistice Day I'd just like to ask whether this is the freedom our forefathers fought for? Freedom for lying and corruption to win the day. Sickening.
  
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• bbmatt11 November 2011 8:27PM
  
  Where's the bloody gallows when you need them ...
  
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• Streatham11 November 2011 8:28PM
  
  'Incompetent'? What, in the sense that Blair was 'incompetent' about Iraq's WMD?
  
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• ninjawarrior11 November 2011 8:28PM
  
  

  Parliamentary committee likely to characterise James Murdoch as incompetent rather than mendacious
  

  wow , that'll scare Murdoch et al.
  and what about Tom 'Jabba the Hut' Watson - when's he gettin his peerage ?
  Coz thats what this is all about, isnt it ?
  
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• Sojournernz11 November 2011 8:30PM
  
  

  MPs likely to characterise James Murdoch as incompetent rather than mendacious
  

  Because that's what he's told them. Better to face embarrassment and maybe not getting his dream job (which Dad can eventually fix for him) than GOING TO JAIL.
  Honestly if they leave it like this, then they are fools. And considering NI have the Met in their pocket, I can't imagine GOING TO JAIL is imminent in James Murdoch's future.
  
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• perclue11 November 2011 8:31PM
  
  

  It is thought MPs will express surprise at Murdoch's lack of knowledge about phone hacking
  

  he must be quaking in his furry little boots
  
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• Addicks12311 November 2011 8:33PM
  
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• MorrisOx11 November 2011 8:36PM
  
  I'd keep an eye on the Mail on Sunday if I was the brave, fearless bunker boy Watson.
  
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• delsur11 November 2011 8:40PM
  
  

  Parliamentary committee likely to characterise James Murdoch as incompetent
  

  is that all?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
  
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• HughManatee11 November 2011 8:42PM
  
  "Parliamentary committee likely to characterize James Murdoch as incompetent rather than mendacious" - The Old Boy Network closes ranks once again.
  The Murdoch's may be incompetent, but presumably their culinary skills were good enough to tempt Cameron round to their drum a few times and lick their arse for an Hors d'oevre.
  
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• kjee11 November 2011 8:43PM
  
  Blackadder: "Everything is still the same. Lord James is still unfortunately employed, your animal is still not housetrained, and Gideon here is still a few sticks short of a bundle."
  
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• 21794h11 November 2011 8:44PM
  
  and what pray will be said about the elephant in the room that is Mr Coulson..............................?
  
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• HughManatee11 November 2011 8:44PM
  
  "And considering NI have the Met in their pocket, I can't imagine GOING TO JAIL is imminent in James Murdoch's future". - yes, it seems that the Met are always in somebody's pocket, from Soho in the 50s until the magic handshake gang get disbanded.
  
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• Paulhalsall11 November 2011 8:44PM
  
  Will James Murdoch seek work at the BBC?
  Perhaps he can be fashion editor.
  
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• No1bob11 November 2011 8:48PM
  
  Does this mean that we are now relying on the MET to discover the truth?
  Not much chance of that happening then.
  
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• kjee11 November 2011 8:48PM
  
  Response to MorrisOx, 11 November 2011 8:36PMooh!... scary...
  
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• GeoffWhit11 November 2011 8:50PM
  
  

  Separately, News International has told Myler's solicitors it will not hand over company records, including business diaries and emails that could corroborate his claims he told James Murdoch about the significance of the "for Neville" email.
  He made the request more than a week ago but it was declined.
  
  

  So absolutely nothing to hide there then.
  
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• BABELrevisited11 November 2011 8:51PM
  
  Work in progress.
  Obfuscation and whitewash shop cross party production unit.
  With special deflect attention from the Police specifications.
  Did anyone seriously expect any other outcome?
  We are in the hands of corrupt elites.
  
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• thea1mighty11 November 2011 8:52PM
  
  The choice for NI share holders ...
  do you want to have your company run by either:
  a) a lying sack of shit
  b) someone who is communication deaf, fact dumb and evidence blind
  
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• TheGreatRonRafferty11 November 2011 8:52PM
  
  Response to indrossi, 11 November 2011 8:21PMYes, and those bastard students MUST have a licence each in multi-tenancies! Whilst those really expensive hotel rooms with wealthy guests .......
  Nice to know we're stuffing the right people!
  
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• TheGreatRonRafferty11 November 2011 8:54PM
  
  

  21794h
  11 November 2011 8:44PM
  and what pray will be said about the elephant in the room that is Mr Coulson..............................?
  

  Friend of slippery Dave? Far more slippery even than Teflon Tony.
  
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• JustaNormalPerson11 November 2011 8:57PM
  
  My best guess is James Murdoch knows he can lie and not really have to worry about any real consequences to lying. After all he is of the elite that have bought many governments around the world. Appearing incompetent worked for Rupert and he knew it would work for him. If you have enough money, you can be incompetent and still be on boards of major corporations. He knows who the real fools are.
  
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• PizzaRe11 November 2011 8:57PM
  
  This is, hopefully, only a very small part of the whole fandango. The real damage has been done, it's stopped Murdoch ever being as powerful as he was before.
  But, as many are alluding to, there is so much more to come with Coulson et al. Will Dave want to get that over and done with now, or have it lingering near the next election?
  
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• circa194311 November 2011 8:59PM
  
  The next time we have a child-abuse scandal I expect the local Director of Social Services will deploy the Murdoch defence (I didn't know, nobody told me) to good effect.
  After all, they are paid a lot less than young James so you can't expect any better.
  
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• Strummered11 November 2011 9:03PM
  
  I dont think calling them all wankers is libellous.
  
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• maggieTee11 November 2011 9:10PM
  
  It's amazing, the way a narrative is created .... Murdoch Jnr opposes Crone and Myler. If Crone gets heavily censured, Murdoch Jnr will claim "victory" .... or at least that he's been exonerated.
  That's bullshit. I implore people to step back and look at the bigger picture - all these fuckers worked for News International ... they are all part of the same vipers nest.
  With all due respect (esp. to Tom) Fuck the Parliamentary Committee ... we want to see these scumbags in a proper court of law.
  These are the people that (allegedly) sanctioned the hacking of Milly Dowler's phone, paying cops for the latest gossip, paying ex-cops to follow Royalty, paying investigators to dig the dirt on the Committee itself.
  They have nothing but contempt for our laws and our democracy.
  
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• perclue11 November 2011 9:13PM
  
  after all this cods that we've been hearing in committee i really hope that the good stuff is being saved for court.
  criminal proceedings can't come soon enough quite honestly.
  
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• iamnotwise11 November 2011 9:13PM
  
  If this fucker doesn't do time then....
  
  (i shall wait for the ruling)
  i feel so small
  any body else?
  
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• Malchemy11 November 2011 9:20PM
  
  If this is what is going to be the committee's considered opinion then I must characterise the majority of the committee members as gullible poltroons. Have they never heard of "Plausible Deniability"?
  I watched all of Murdoch Junior's testimony to this committee and I can say he was very well coached and knew exactly what to say however it was a shame for him to be unable to control his blush response and this "tell" informs us of the subjects he found most challenging. The body language and blush respo0nse of the female brief behind him is worth of observation also but such subtleties cannot penetrate a well briefed stonewall sadly.
  The scalpeling away of the incriminating elements of the "for Neville" email was so blatant that it beggars belief that this manoeuvre has passed the committee's scrutiny by.
  Perhaps Tom Watson will release a minority report to put the truth on record!
  
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• loboviejo111 November 2011 9:30PM
  
  If that's the only sanction why even bother with hearings? What did the hearings themselves cost? Why should he be allowed to continue running newspapers? Why should he be trusted to run so much as a website?
  
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