Missing children day

almostgothic wrote:And here we go ......

"Really positive": Maddy's mum Kate goes to Downing Street to back new missing children hotline

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mum-kate-goes-845462

Please excuse me - I have an appointment with a sick bucket ...

kathybelle wrote:I've just been looking at the front pages of the daily newspapers, on the Sky News website. There is an article on the front page of the Daily Mirror, which says that Ben Needham, could be buried at a Greek Building site. According to the article, the police want to begin digging. I can only imagine what Ben's mum is going through at this time.

Panda wrote:

Morning mossman, I think Kate is the Member for "Missing Children" and makes sure she is seen at all their petitions etc. I do wonder what Gerry's
work colleagues think of him now ........making lots of money and demands on the Taxpayer to have a review which after 10 months has produced
no evidence of an abductor.

mossman wrote:

Panda wrote:

Morning mossman, I think Kate is the Member for "Missing Children" and makes sure she is seen at all their petitions etc. I do wonder what Gerry's
work colleagues think of him now ........making lots of money and demands on the Taxpayer to have a review which after 10 months has produced
no evidence of an abductor.

Hi Panda, thanks. Still wonder why she bothered to bring Mitchell with her though.

Gerry's career has surely suffered, regardless of what he likes to think. Has he gone more towards the research and academic side of things I wonder, rather than the day to day medical consultations. I would go to a vet before have a consultation with him and I do not think I'm alone in that.

The amount of money being spent is unbelievable. Of course I agree that Madeleine needs to be found and money should not be an obstacle to finding each and every child that is missing. But to see their fund being wasted, tax payers money thrown at SY to cater for just the McCanns and then parents with sick children begging for treatment through the NHS. What a difference that money would make to so many.

Terribly terribly sad.

almostgothic wrote:And here we go ......

"Really positive": Maddy's mum Kate goes to Downing Street to back new missing children hotline

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mum-kate-goes-845462

Please excuse me - I have an appointment with a sick bucket ...

tigger wrote:Hello Mossman!
Why can't the existing 'Childline' be used? That has been going for years - I don't know whether it has a good record - but this Euro effort is doomed to failure.
Putting posters inside taxis doesn't strike me as a fantastic idea. The public transport system would get far more exposure.
Pretty soon people will be claiming they've 'lost' children when they know perfectly well they've run away because their home life isn't bearable. A new hobby for the terminally bored.

At least, console yourself Mossman, it wasn't hosted by DC but by Theresa May - who was the one NOT wishing to indulge the McCanns. These receptions are always prettied up for the papers, they're boring, people stand around, the press have already written their piece the day before and it all feels and looks like a damb squib.

If there were crowds of people outside to applaud the sainted McCann - then I'd worry. Incidentally, I'm female so can be accused of being bitchy, but I'm also a figurative artist. KM wasn't beautiful to start off with imo, but I find her an unpleasant looking, masculine woman. That jawline - the little very straight nose which looks as if it's had a bit of help, doesn't fit the rest of the face. Then the eyes - nothing behind them. Beauty is both inside and outside, e.g. Nigella Lawson is beautiful because she obviously enjoys life and her looks reflect that.

Mossman, don't forget that they thought they'd have top jobs as ambassadors for lost children, be adored the world over for their wonderful work and be rubbing shoulders with the A-list. Probably promoting the microchip with the myth that something like Maddie would never happen again. There was a lot of money and status in them thar plans. All gone

April 4th 2010

In December 2006, an extraordinary meeting of the member states approved an initiative of the European Commission to reserve certain numbers (Starting with 116 ) for a Europe-wide alert system for missing children. This was the system which had been in operation in France since 2006 and had proved to be effective in several cases. (August 2007: abducted 5 year-old French child recovered within hours.)

Back to SkyNews:


"The network, comparable to the amber alert system in the United States, will be compatible with other European countries for the first time."



Well, hallelujah! By January 2009, 10 out of the 17 member states of the EU had adopted the European Alert system, the UK as we know, not having been amongst them, in spite of the fact of having the greatest number of missing children. (SOS Maddie blog)

But sky News tells us that the McCanns have been campaigning for such a system since their daughter disappeared! Well, no they haven't! They took up being poster children for McMillan-Scott's campaign in June 2008, when other member states had been operating an alternative system since 2006!

Since 2006, the French system, known as "Alerte Enlèvement," which is the system now introduced across most of the EU territory and finally in the UK, has recovered many missing children through rapid response to reported cases of abduction. The success of the system, according to Rachida Dati, former French Justice Minister, is due to there being very strict criteria for launching an alert. Four criteria must be met.

"Quatre critères doivent toutefois être réunis pour que le plan soit déclenché : il doit s'agir d'un enlèvement avéré, et non d'une simple disparition, même inquiétante ; la vie ou l'intégrité physique de la victime doit être en danger ; le procureur de la République est en possession éléments d'informations dont la diffusion permettrait de localiser l'enfant ou le suspect ; et la victime doit être mineure." (Duarte Levy)



1) It must be a confirmed abduction and not just a disappearance, however worrying.

2) The victim's life or physical safety must be at risk.

3) The Public Prosecutor must be in possession of sufficient information which, if broadcast, would help to locate the child or the suspect.

4) The victim must be a minor.

So, why is the press wheeling out the McCanns today in relation to this alert system, when they had nothing to do with its inception or its introduction? This is the system that they unsuccessfully tried to replace with McMillan-Scott's version of the American Amber Alert.

And would an alert have helped to find Madeleine in May 2007, given the above criteria?

1) Not met. There was no evidence of an abduction.

2) Maybe. If Maddie was still alive after 10pm on May 3rd, it is highly likely that she would be in physical danger.

3) Not met. The information available would not have helped locate Maddie or the alleged abductor. Small child, last seen in her bed, not there now, man seen carrying a bundle that could have been a child. Description: an egg with hair!

4) Met. One out of four ain't bad? No, it ain't good!

AnnaEsse wrote:

tigger wrote:Hello Mossman!
Why can't the existing 'Childline' be used? That has been going for years - I don't know whether it has a good record - but this Euro effort is doomed to failure.
Putting posters inside taxis doesn't strike me as a fantastic idea. The public transport system would get far more exposure.
Pretty soon people will be claiming they've 'lost' children when they know perfectly well they've run away because their home life isn't bearable. A new hobby for the terminally bored.

At least, console yourself Mossman, it wasn't hosted by DC but by Theresa May - who was the one NOT wishing to indulge the McCanns. These receptions are always prettied up for the papers, they're boring, people stand around, the press have already written their piece the day before and it all feels and looks like a damb squib.

If there were crowds of people outside to applaud the sainted McCann - then I'd worry. Incidentally, I'm female so can be accused of being bitchy, but I'm also a figurative artist. KM wasn't beautiful to start off with imo, but I find her an unpleasant looking, masculine woman. That jawline - the little very straight nose which looks as if it's had a bit of help, doesn't fit the rest of the face. Then the eyes - nothing behind them. Beauty is both inside and outside, e.g. Nigella Lawson is beautiful because she obviously enjoys life and her looks reflect that.

Mossman, don't forget that they thought they'd have top jobs as ambassadors for lost children, be adored the world over for their wonderful work and be rubbing shoulders with the A-list. Probably promoting the microchip with the myth that something like Maddie would never happen again. There was a lot of money and status in them thar plans. All gone

The effort in Europe has been going for a few years and was tested out a few times successfully before being rolled out across Europe. The UK is one of the last countries to adopt the system.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/roll-out-mccanns-somebody-mentioned.html

April 4th 2010

In December 2006, an extraordinary meeting of the member states approved an initiative of the European Commission to reserve certain numbers (Starting with 116 ) for a Europe-wide alert system for missing children. This was the system which had been in operation in France since 2006 and had proved to be effective in several cases. (August 2007: abducted 5 year-old French child recovered within hours.)

Back to SkyNews:


"The network, comparable to the amber alert system in the United States, will be compatible with other European countries for the first time."



Well, hallelujah! By January 2009, 10 out of the 17 member states of the EU had adopted the European Alert system, the UK as we know, not having been amongst them, in spite of the fact of having the greatest number of missing children. (SOS Maddie blog)

But sky News tells us that the McCanns have been campaigning for such a system since their daughter disappeared! Well, no they haven't! They took up being poster children for McMillan-Scott's campaign in June 2008, when other member states had been operating an alternative system since 2006!

Since 2006, the French system, known as "Alerte Enlèvement," which is the system now introduced across most of the EU territory and finally in the UK, has recovered many missing children through rapid response to reported cases of abduction. The success of the system, according to Rachida Dati, former French Justice Minister, is due to there being very strict criteria for launching an alert. Four criteria must be met.

"Quatre critères doivent toutefois être réunis pour que le plan soit déclenché : il doit s'agir d'un enlèvement avéré, et non d'une simple disparition, même inquiétante ; la vie ou l'intégrité physique de la victime doit être en danger ; le procureur de la République est en possession éléments d'informations dont la diffusion permettrait de localiser l'enfant ou le suspect ; et la victime doit être mineure." (Duarte Levy)



1) It must be a confirmed abduction and not just a disappearance, however worrying.

2) The victim's life or physical safety must be at risk.

3) The Public Prosecutor must be in possession of sufficient information which, if broadcast, would help to locate the child or the suspect.

4) The victim must be a minor.

So, why is the press wheeling out the McCanns today in relation to this alert system, when they had nothing to do with its inception or its introduction? This is the system that they unsuccessfully tried to replace with McMillan-Scott's version of the American Amber Alert.

And would an alert have helped to find Madeleine in May 2007, given the above criteria?

1) Not met. There was no evidence of an abduction.

2) Maybe. If Maddie was still alive after 10pm on May 3rd, it is highly likely that she would be in physical danger.

3) Not met. The information available would not have helped locate Maddie or the alleged abductor. Small child, last seen in her bed, not there now, man seen carrying a bundle that could have been a child. Description: an egg with hair!

4) Met. One out of four ain't bad? No, it ain't good!

tigger wrote:Hello Mossman!
Why can't the existing 'Childline' be used? That has been going for years - I don't know whether it has a good record - but this Euro effort is doomed to failure.
Putting posters inside taxis doesn't strike me as a fantastic idea. The public transport system would get far more exposure.
Pretty soon people will be claiming they've 'lost' children when they know perfectly well they've run away because their home life isn't bearable. A new hobby for the terminally bored.

At least, console yourself Mossman, it wasn't hosted by DC but by Theresa May - who was the one NOT wishing to indulge the McCanns. These receptions are always prettied up for the papers, they're boring, people stand around, the press have already written their piece the day before and it all feels and looks like a damb squib.

If there were crowds of people outside to applaud the sainted McCann - then I'd worry. Incidentally, I'm female so can be accused of being bitchy, but I'm also a figurative artist. KM wasn't beautiful to start off with imo, but I find her an unpleasant looking, masculine woman. That jawline - the little very straight nose which looks as if it's had a bit of help, doesn't fit the rest of the face. Then the eyes - nothing behind them. Beauty is both inside and outside, e.g. Nigella Lawson is beautiful because she obviously enjoys life and her looks reflect that.

Mossman, don't forget that they thought they'd have top jobs as ambassadors for lost children, be adored the world over for their wonderful work and be rubbing shoulders with the A-list. Probably promoting the microchip with the myth that something like Maddie would never happen again. There was a lot of money and status in them thar plans. All gone