Police bust-up sparks fear for Madeleine McCann investigation (Daily Star)

Palmeras16 wrote:

Iris wrote:I have entertained that theory before Lioned, and I haven't ruled it out completely.

Madeleine is alive and well and living with relatives.  Kate and Gerry aren't acting as a couple grieving for the loss of their child, because they know bloody fine where she is, and that she's okay.  Hence the smiles, the not bothering to look, all their energy concentrated on setting up companies and shops, the paid-for false sightings, the keeping the twins up to speed so that they will know her when she does come back, the sheer smug arrogance of knowing that they have fooled everybody and are still getting away with it.

Having said that, I don't believe that Eddie and Keela were wrong.  They did find cadaverine and blood - planted, obviously.  But by whom?

Gerry would have the knowledge and means to do it, but I don't think he did.  The genuine shock on his face after leaving Portimao nick showed that something happened in there that wasn't in the master plan.  Something swept in on the outside rail that wasn't part of the Wider Agenda.  Did the police tell him about the cadaverine and blood?  He certainly didn't see that one coming.  

Cue all the dissing the dogs trolling, and tripe in Kate's book of filth and lies.  And do we see them asking to know who did die in 5A?  No, we do not!

Sadly, I think someone in the PJ may have planted it, meaning well, to try and force a confession.  Except it didn't work, and the twisters are still running about loose.  Only in a perverse sort of way, now everyone believes Madeleine is dead, when quite possibly she isn't.  So if they now produce her out of thin air, everyone will know that it was a scam from the very beginning.  Maybe that's why they look so bloody miserable now.

The planted evidence theory certainly explains the hastily shelved case, the apparent disregard of the EVRD dog alerts and the current review/investigation headed by SY which is costing the taxpayer millions for just one missing child.

kitti wrote:I can go with what your saying Iris BUT Madeleine would know she is Madeleine.


She would have to be in a place with no tv, never going go school and  no neighbours.


There ain't no such place apart from the Amazon.

DavidA wrote:

Palmeras16 wrote:

Iris wrote:I have entertained that theory before Lioned, and I haven't ruled it out completely.

Madeleine is alive and well and living with relatives.  Kate and Gerry aren't acting as a couple grieving for the loss of their child, because they know bloody fine where she is, and that she's okay.  Hence the smiles, the not bothering to look, all their energy concentrated on setting up companies and shops, the paid-for false sightings, the keeping the twins up to speed so that they will know her when she does come back, the sheer smug arrogance of knowing that they have fooled everybody and are still getting away with it.

Having said that, I don't believe that Eddie and Keela were wrong.  They did find cadaverine and blood - planted, obviously.  But by whom?

Gerry would have the knowledge and means to do it, but I don't think he did.  The genuine shock on his face after leaving Portimao nick showed that something happened in there that wasn't in the master plan.  Something swept in on the outside rail that wasn't part of the Wider Agenda.  Did the police tell him about the cadaverine and blood?  He certainly didn't see that one coming.  

Cue all the dissing the dogs trolling, and tripe in Kate's book of filth and lies.  And do we see them asking to know who did die in 5A?  No, we do not!

Sadly, I think someone in the PJ may have planted it, meaning well, to try and force a confession.  Except it didn't work, and the twisters are still running about loose.  Only in a perverse sort of way, now everyone believes Madeleine is dead, when quite possibly she isn't.  So if they now produce her out of thin air, everyone will know that it was a scam from the very beginning.  Maybe that's why they look so bloody miserable now.

The planted evidence theory certainly explains the hastily shelved case, the apparent disregard of the EVRD dog alerts and the current review/investigation headed by SY which is costing the taxpayer millions for just one missing child.

I think the idea that such evidence was planted, at that stage would be impossible. Planting the correct particles would need expert knowledge and more than a few PJ who would need to be involved.

From the very beginning, the PJ was being discredited. So the problems with the case started before the evidence found by the dogs. I do not think any PJ would risk something like this when the world was watching the case.

Plus, if this evidence was a surprise to Gerry and Kate, I think they would want to find out more. It would suggest something had happened to their daughter. They would not want to ignore this, if they had nothing to hide.

Not Born Yesterday wrote:That's a good post, comperedna, regarding the motivation of Palmeras16.
 
It's good that there are people here with differing opinions on this most baffling case but those like him or her and Snowflake do themselves no credit by just making the odd silly comment and then legging it!
 
If they would only debate sensibly, you never know, they might even make people believe that the McCanns had nothing to do with whatever happened to their daughter.
 
I agree with what Iris has just posted about Susan Healy; hard as nails, must know more than she says and deserves no sympathy.

Iris wrote:

DavidA wrote:

Palmeras16 wrote:

Iris wrote:I have entertained that theory before Lioned, and I haven't ruled it out completely.

Madeleine is alive and well and living with relatives.  Kate and Gerry aren't acting as a couple grieving for the loss of their child, because they know bloody fine where she is, and that she's okay.  Hence the smiles, the not bothering to look, all their energy concentrated on setting up companies and shops, the paid-for false sightings, the keeping the twins up to speed so that they will know her when she does come back, the sheer smug arrogance of knowing that they have fooled everybody and are still getting away with it.

Having said that, I don't believe that Eddie and Keela were wrong.  They did find cadaverine and blood - planted, obviously.  But by whom?

Gerry would have the knowledge and means to do it, but I don't think he did.  The genuine shock on his face after leaving Portimao nick showed that something happened in there that wasn't in the master plan.  Something swept in on the outside rail that wasn't part of the Wider Agenda.  Did the police tell him about the cadaverine and blood?  He certainly didn't see that one coming.  

Cue all the dissing the dogs trolling, and tripe in Kate's book of filth and lies.  And do we see them asking to know who did die in 5A?  No, we do not!

Sadly, I think someone in the PJ may have planted it, meaning well, to try and force a confession.  Except it didn't work, and the twisters are still running about loose.  Only in a perverse sort of way, now everyone believes Madeleine is dead, when quite possibly she isn't.  So if they now produce her out of thin air, everyone will know that it was a scam from the very beginning.  Maybe that's why they look so bloody miserable now.

The planted evidence theory certainly explains the hastily shelved case, the apparent disregard of the EVRD dog alerts and the current review/investigation headed by SY which is costing the taxpayer millions for just one missing child.

I think the idea that such evidence was planted, at that stage would be impossible. Planting the correct particles would need expert knowledge and more than a few PJ who would need to be involved.

From the very beginning, the PJ was being discredited. So the problems with the case started before the evidence found by the dogs. I do not think any PJ would risk something like this when the world was watching the case.

Plus, if this evidence was a surprise to Gerry and Kate, I think they would want to find out more. It would suggest something had happened to their daughter. They would not want to ignore this, if they had nothing to hide.

Actually that is not true.  At the very beginning the McCanns said that they were happy with the work the PJ had done, that the investigation was professionally handled.  It was only after the dogs were brought in that it all went pear shaped.
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Lioned wrote:They cannot enter a debate on this sensibly,it is impossible to support parents who are abject failures and hold the high ground.
Absolutely no evidence of an abduction but plenty of evidence that the mccann 'parents' are useless at looking after their children.
When you mention the dogs they get head rush,never fails.

Iris wrote:

comperedna wrote:She is right on quite a few counts. She says Kate and Gerry were made arguidos for their own protection and so that they could have their lawyer present. It's a pity the pair were not questioned as simple witnesses. Witnesses are required to answer questions, arguidos are not... presumably because they might incriminate themselves? I too feel sorry for Mrs Healy. She has lost her eldest grandchild. The whole shebang must be awful for her.

I have no sympathy for her.  She knows more than she is saying.  And she still cannot let her little grandchild have a dignified burial.

Iris wrote:

DavidA wrote:

Palmeras16 wrote:

Iris wrote:I have entertained that theory before Lioned, and I haven't ruled it out completely.

Madeleine is alive and well and living with relatives.  Kate and Gerry aren't acting as a couple grieving for the loss of their child, because they know bloody fine where she is, and that she's okay.  Hence the smiles, the not bothering to look, all their energy concentrated on setting up companies and shops, the paid-for false sightings, the keeping the twins up to speed so that they will know her when she does come back, the sheer smug arrogance of knowing that they have fooled everybody and are still getting away with it.

Having said that, I don't believe that Eddie and Keela were wrong.  They did find cadaverine and blood - planted, obviously.  But by whom?

Gerry would have the knowledge and means to do it, but I don't think he did.  The genuine shock on his face after leaving Portimao nick showed that something happened in there that wasn't in the master plan.  Something swept in on the outside rail that wasn't part of the Wider Agenda.  Did the police tell him about the cadaverine and blood?  He certainly didn't see that one coming.  

Cue all the dissing the dogs trolling, and tripe in Kate's book of filth and lies.  And do we see them asking to know who did die in 5A?  No, we do not!

Sadly, I think someone in the PJ may have planted it, meaning well, to try and force a confession.  Except it didn't work, and the twisters are still running about loose.  Only in a perverse sort of way, now everyone believes Madeleine is dead, when quite possibly she isn't.  So if they now produce her out of thin air, everyone will know that it was a scam from the very beginning.  Maybe that's why they look so bloody miserable now.

The planted evidence theory certainly explains the hastily shelved case, the apparent disregard of the EVRD dog alerts and the current review/investigation headed by SY which is costing the taxpayer millions for just one missing child.

I think the idea that such evidence was planted, at that stage would be impossible. Planting the correct particles would need expert knowledge and more than a few PJ who would need to be involved.

From the very beginning, the PJ was being discredited. So the problems with the case started before the evidence found by the dogs. I do not think any PJ would risk something like this when the world was watching the case.

Plus, if this evidence was a surprise to Gerry and Kate, I think they would want to find out more. It would suggest something had happened to their daughter. They would not want to ignore this, if they had nothing to hide.

Actually that is not true.  At the very beginning the McCanns said that they were happy with the work the PJ had done, that the investigation was professionally handled.  It was only after the dogs were brought in that it all went pear shaped.


Before.  Arrogant, cocky and up himself.


After.  Shell-shocked, I would say.  What happened in there that he hadn't factored into his Wider Agenda?

tanszi wrote:I don't think the PJ planted anything at all.  why would they?

comperedna wrote:I honestly don't know about the character of Susan Healy. How could I? I have only seen the same video clips as you, but I have no idea how much she knows, what she suspects, or whatever. However, her daughter and family went on holiday and then all hell broke loose, and she 'lost' her oldest grandchild. I can put myself in her position a bit, as I have a grandchild and then twins in the family with the same age gap. I don't know if she is as 'hard as nails' as some say. Human nature says she must be miserable about it all, and she can clearly have had nothing to do with the 'disapperance' itself.

tanszi wrote:comperedna, I can agree with almost all of what you said.  what im not disagreeing with but find so hard it that she must have her doubts, anybody would, in those quiet moments when you think things don't add up and you don't want them to not add up.  what do you do, you grin and bear it and carry on, put on a brave face, but your thoughts are your own.  I think she came out against the PJ withj the "planted" idea because she was seeming not to support K and G when she said she wanted to hit them for leaving the grandchildren just m.o.

Iris wrote:

kitti wrote:I can go with what your saying Iris BUT Madeleine would know she is Madeleine.


She would have to be in a place with no tv, never going go school and  no neighbours.


There ain't no such place apart from the Amazon.

Kitti, when I was a teaching assistant (back when Dinosaurs roamed the Earth) there were two wee boys at the school who went on holiday to Spain to see their estranged Dad, and at the end of the holiday he refused to send them back.  In those days there was no extradition treaty or Hague Convention agreements between the UK and Spain and the Government flatly refused to get involved, despite that fact that custody had been awarded to the mum by a Scottish court and ratified by a Spanish one.  The father was in contempt of both courts.  The Spanish Government also did nothing to help.  The poor woman was completely on her own.

That woman travelled all over Spain looking for her boys.  The father came from a big extended family and every time she got too close, they were just moved on.  She spent every penny she had and I think she even sold her house to hire some private detectives, who managed to get her boys back.  I remember seeing them on the TV as they arrived at the airport.  They had little black tracksuits on and the only English words that they could remember at all were "Hello Mum".  

kathybelle wrote:

tanszi wrote:comperedna, I can agree with almost all of what you said.  what im not disagreeing with but find so hard it that she must have her doubts, anybody would, in those quiet moments when you think things don't add up and you don't want them to not add up.  what do you do, you grin and bear it and carry on, put on a brave face, but your thoughts are your own.  I think she came out against the PJ withj the "planted" idea because she was seeming not to support K and G when she said she wanted to hit them for leaving the grandchildren just m.o.

Hi Tanzi

Regarding Susan Healey wanting to hit her daughter and son-in-law, for leaving her grandchildren alone, when they went out, I've just found this link.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-562756/I-shake-daughter-Tapas-7-leaving-Madeleine-says-Kate-McCanns-mother.html

Well done (not) to the police, for using public funds, to drive the Healy's from their Formby home, to Manchester Airport, so they could fly out to be with their daughter and son-in-law. Oh I forgot, the police were probably ordered to run the Healy's to Manchester Airport, by the then Chief Constable of Liverpool, Bernard Hogan-Howe, who was and probably still is, a friend of the Healy's. In fact Hogan-Howe is so good a friend, that he went to the Healy's home, to help light those dangerous Chinese Lanterns, that the Healys, along with their friends, were sending into the sky, on one of the anniversaries of Madeleine's disappearance.

Hogan-Howe, is now the head of Scotland Yard. Am I being cynical, when I say that I have a hunch, that Bernard Hogan-Howe, could be behind Scotland Yard's public announcement, that the McCanns and their friends are not persons of interest to them?