Santa's Little Helpers By Dr. Martin Roberts

interested Tue 27 Aug - 21:32

See Dr. Martin Roberts' latest (26 August 2013) at mccannfiles.com

**AnnaEsse** Tue 27 Aug - 21:35

interested wrote:See Dr. Martin Roberts' latest (26 August 2013) at mccannfiles.com

Thanks interested. I love this bit:

Eliminating possible abductors, given the likelihood of some other kind of crime, is akin to tracing all local gun owners in connection with the recent discovery of a corpse with a knife in its back

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

Wintabells Wed 28 Aug - 14:36

Dr Martin Roberts

Santa's Little Helpers

Santa's Little Helpers By Dr. Martin Roberts Gerrymccannslh2608

EXCLUSIVE to mccannfiles.com

By Dr Martin Roberts
26 August 2013

SANTA'S LITTLE HELPERS

So there we are in Lisbon, the court suffused with an eerie glow from the assembled journalists' lap-top computers, when Isabel Duarte, or whoever the McCanns' advocate happens to be, looks toward the judge's bench, whilst opening their hands in a melodramatic gesture of appeal: "How can anyone possibly decide that the author's conclusions are correct, whether they be based on prior police work or not, when, even at this very moment, police inquiries are continuing into the child's whereabouts? Such conclusions are clearly premature, with every chance of being wrong. As such they amount to nothing more than scandalous surmise!"

So what do you do as a team manager, when you know that, position for position, your team is the weaker? Stop the opposition from playing their game of course. And with a team of thirty-seven detectives engaged in the pursuit of thirty-eight persons of interest, Scotland Yard are busy man-for-man marking, the player-coach ready to leap from the bench with shouts of "Leave him! He's mine." once the lynch-pin of the criminal operation has been identified.

Eliminating possible abductors, given the likelihood of some other kind of crime, is akin to tracing all local gun owners in connection with the recent discovery of a corpse with a knife in its back. Rigorous yet meaningless. You have a link to the caboose when all the time it was the first carriage that sheared off, causing the train wreck. Scotland Yard are actively engaged in re-writing history just as surely as King James knowingly commissioned re-writing of the gospels. And 'knowing' is what the McCann case is all about.

In mid-August 2007, Correio da Manha published a claim that Alipio Ribeiro, then head of the Policia Judiciara in Portugal, was contacted at about 11.00 p.m. on 3 May by the British Ambassador John Buck, the ambassador being so desirous of discussing the disappearance of young Madeleine McCann that he interrupted Ribeiro at dinner that night in order to do so. Three weeks after this report the McCanns were made arguidos and, barely a week after that, on 14 September, Correio da Manha produced another, which included an observation of direct relevance to their earlier revelation:

'The first call Gerry made on the night of the crime was to Alistair Clark, a good friend from University days and a diplomat close to Gordon Brown.'

That would go some way toward explaining the extraordinary speed with which John Buck himself, resident in Lisbon, had been appraised of the situation in Praia da Luz, the police having yet to arrive.

Well it might if Gerry McCann had actually made the call in question, but he did not. In fact he did not contact anyone in the UK until he telephoned his sister Trisha, who put the phone down after ten minutes, at 11.51 p.m. Buck and Ribeiro at least were already 'on board'. So too was the Portuguese Justice Minister, apparently; another of Buck's urgent contacts. Oddly, Ribeiro seems not to have communicated with any of his PJ colleagues immediately, or at all, that night. Staff in Portimao only became aware of the incident when later contacted by the GNR.

Someone clearly set the diplomatic wheels in motion very early on and it wasn't Trisha Cameron, nor was it 'Uncle Brian' ('phoned at 11.52 p.m.), as Kate McCann (Madeleine, chapter 5) might wish us to believe. Does it really matter who did so? Maybe it was the Mark Warner management, who knows?

Correio da Manha apparently.

In the wake of the initial tsunami, in December 2007, CdM editor Manuel Catarino published a book, "La culpa de los McCann", in which he repeated his newspaper's earlier claim that, on the night of 3 May, PJ director Alipio Ribeiro was informed of the McCann abduction by Ambassador Buck. He went further however, adding that UK Prime Minister-in-waiting, Gordon Brown, himself already knew of the incident through a mutual friend of Gerry McCann's.

Gordon Brown's insistence on being kept up-to-date on developments in the McCann case has long been a matter of public record, but this little twist is of potentially greater significance.

Perhaps the original claim, of John Buck's early warning signals, is a myth. Yet neither Buck nor Ribeiro afterwards took pains to deny their late-night conversation. Rather, an explanation of sorts, appeared subsequently; an explanation which, if CdM were in possession of it beforehand, would surely have appeared in conjunction with the original story line. Instead it emerged the moment the temperature had risen, within a week of the McCanns being questioned as suspects (persons of interest if you would rather) in their own daughter's disappearance.

To judge from the 'phone records currently resident in the long-since archived PJ files, it is Gerry McCann's earliest call to Alistair Clark, who, by the way, was not a diplomat of any complexion, which is the more fictional.

Was it really Alistair Clark who 'must have immediately contacted people at the highest level – before the PJ were informed'? And was he the 'mutual friend' of both Gordon Brown and Gerry McCann? Whatever the identity of the mystery informant, there are two parameters of singular importance to be observed: He/she was UK based, and a confidante of Gerry McCann's.

If the first of these conditions is true, then the diplomatic initiative in Portugal cannot be attributed to any direct altruistic intervention on the part of a McCann affiliate or other interested party inside Portugal, with either the British embassy in Lisbon or the Algarve consulate, whose initial instructions must therefore have emanated from the Foreign Office in London. If the second is true also, then third-party intervention (Portugal via London) is ruled out completely, on account of the conduit being a personal friend of Gerry McCann's, who would obviously have made the call himself.

Neither before nor since have the McCanns offered any rationalisation of the original CdM story of August 12. They should, and for one very good reason: Whether Gerry McCann personally took ownership of the information flow at the outset, or had it gifted to him by a 'spokesperson', the fact remains that he did not communicate anything of significance 'on the night of the crime' to anyone in the UK, in time to enable John Buck to telephone Alipio Ribeiro at dinner. If the various CdM attributions are fundamentally correct however, then whoever had that information, i.e., whoever 'phoned the FCO and/or Gordon Brown from within the UK, was in possession of it prior to 10.00 p.m. on 3 May, 'the night of the crime'.

Wintabells Wed 28 Aug - 14:37

Hope it's ok that I've posted Dr Roberts' latest here - if not, please delete it (or I will).

Secondly - I'm too thick to understand what he's saying. Can anyone explain it to me like I'm a two year old, thanks :)

jeanmonroe Wed 28 Aug - 15:36

Wintabells wrote:Hope it's ok that I've posted Dr Roberts' latest here - if not, please delete it (or I will).

Secondly - I'm too thick to understand what he's saying. Can anyone explain it to me like I'm a two year old, thanks :)

ga, ga goo, goo . whosey whoozys got chubby wubby chops then?

Wintabells Wed 28 Aug - 22:26

jeanmonroe wrote:
Wintabells wrote:Hope it's ok that I've posted Dr Roberts' latest here - if not, please delete it (or I will).

Secondly - I'm too thick to understand what he's saying. Can anyone explain it to me like I'm a two year old, thanks :)
ga, ga goo, goo . whosey whoozys got chubby wubby chops then?

lol, jeanmonroe.... I get it now, thanks.

kathybelle Thu 29 Aug - 0:08

Wintabells wrote:Dr Martin Roberts

Santa's Little Helpers

EXCLUSIVE to mccannfiles.com

By Dr Martin Roberts
26 August 2013

SANTA'S LITTLE HELPERS

So there we are in Lisbon, the court suffused with an eerie glow from the assembled journalists' lap-top computers, when Isabel Duarte, or whoever the McCanns' advocate happens to be, looks toward the judge's bench, whilst opening their hands in a melodramatic gesture of appeal: "How can anyone possibly decide that the author's conclusions are correct, whether they be based on prior police work or not, when, even at this very moment, police inquiries are continuing into the child's whereabouts? Such conclusions are clearly premature, with every chance of being wrong. As such they amount to nothing more than scandalous surmise!"

So what do you do as a team manager, when you know that, position for position, your team is the weaker? Stop the opposition from playing their game of course. And with a team of thirty-seven detectives engaged in the pursuit of thirty-eight persons of interest, Scotland Yard are busy man-for-man marking, the player-coach ready to leap from the bench with shouts of "Leave him! He's mine." once the lynch-pin of the criminal operation has been identified.

Eliminating possible abductors, given the likelihood of some other kind of crime, is akin to tracing all local gun owners in connection with the recent discovery of a corpse with a knife in its back. Rigorous yet meaningless. You have a link to the caboose when all the time it was the first carriage that sheared off, causing the train wreck. Scotland Yard are actively engaged in re-writing history just as surely as King James knowingly commissioned re-writing of the gospels. And 'knowing' is what the McCann case is all about.

In mid-August 2007, Correio da Manha published a claim that Alipio Ribeiro, then head of the Policia Judiciara in Portugal, was contacted at about 11.00 p.m. on 3 May by the British Ambassador John Buck, the ambassador being so desirous of discussing the disappearance of young Madeleine McCann that he interrupted Ribeiro at dinner that night in order to do so. Three weeks after this report the McCanns were made arguidos and, barely a week after that, on 14 September, Correio da Manha produced another, which included an observation of direct relevance to their earlier revelation:

'The first call Gerry made on the night of the crime was to Alistair Clark, a good friend from University days and a diplomat close to Gordon Brown.'

That would go some way toward explaining the extraordinary speed with which John Buck himself, resident in Lisbon, had been appraised of the situation in Praia da Luz, the police having yet to arrive.

Well it might if Gerry McCann had actually made the call in question, but he did not. In fact he did not contact anyone in the UK until he telephoned his sister Trisha, who put the phone down after ten minutes, at 11.51 p.m. Buck and Ribeiro at least were already 'on board'. So too was the Portuguese Justice Minister, apparently; another of Buck's urgent contacts. Oddly, Ribeiro seems not to have communicated with any of his PJ colleagues immediately, or at all, that night. Staff in Portimao only became aware of the incident when later contacted by the GNR.

Someone clearly set the diplomatic wheels in motion very early on and it wasn't Trisha Cameron, nor was it 'Uncle Brian' ('phoned at 11.52 p.m.), as Kate McCann (Madeleine, chapter 5) might wish us to believe. Does it really matter who did so? Maybe it was the Mark Warner management, who knows?

Correio da Manha apparently.

In the wake of the initial tsunami, in December 2007, CdM editor Manuel Catarino published a book, "La culpa de los McCann", in which he repeated his newspaper's earlier claim that, on the night of 3 May, PJ director Alipio Ribeiro was informed of the McCann abduction by Ambassador Buck. He went further however, adding that UK Prime Minister-in-waiting, Gordon Brown, himself already knew of the incident through a mutual friend of Gerry McCann's.

Gordon Brown's insistence on being kept up-to-date on developments in the McCann case has long been a matter of public record, but this little twist is of potentially greater significance.

Perhaps the original claim, of John Buck's early warning signals, is a myth. Yet neither Buck nor Ribeiro afterwards took pains to deny their late-night conversation. Rather, an explanation of sorts, appeared subsequently; an explanation which, if CdM were in possession of it beforehand, would surely have appeared in conjunction with the original story line. Instead it emerged the moment the temperature had risen, within a week of the McCanns being questioned as suspects (persons of interest if you would rather) in their own daughter's disappearance.

To judge from the 'phone records currently resident in the long-since archived PJ files, it is Gerry McCann's earliest call to Alistair Clark, who, by the way, was not a diplomat of any complexion, which is the more fictional.

Was it really Alistair Clark who 'must have immediately contacted people at the highest level – before the PJ were informed'? And was he the 'mutual friend' of both Gordon Brown and Gerry McCann? Whatever the identity of the mystery informant, there are two parameters of singular importance to be observed: He/she was UK based, and a confidante of Gerry McCann's.

If the first of these conditions is true, then the diplomatic initiative in Portugal cannot be attributed to any direct altruistic intervention on the part of a McCann affiliate or other interested party inside Portugal, with either the British embassy in Lisbon or the Algarve consulate, whose initial instructions must therefore have emanated from the Foreign Office in London. If the second is true also, then third-party intervention (Portugal via London) is ruled out completely, on account of the conduit being a personal friend of Gerry McCann's, who would obviously have made the call himself.

Neither before nor since have the McCanns offered any rationalisation of the original CdM story of August 12. They should, and for one very good reason: Whether Gerry McCann personally took ownership of the information flow at the outset, or had it gifted to him by a 'spokesperson', the fact remains that he did not communicate anything of significance 'on the night of the crime' to anyone in the UK, in time to enable John Buck to telephone Alipio Ribeiro at dinner. If the various CdM attributions are fundamentally correct however, then whoever had that information, i.e., whoever 'phoned the FCO and/or Gordon Brown from within the UK, was in possession of it prior to 10.00 p.m. on 3 May, 'the night of the crime'.

The morning after Madeleine disappeared, Gerry McCann said he telephoned Gordon Brown, to tell him Madeleine was missing. Although I don't know what time Gerry McCann phoned Gordon Brown, but he would have had to have telephoned him before the Portuguese police arrived at apartment 5a. In fact I would imagine all the people the McCanns needed to contact, would have been contacted before the police arrived. I would imagine the police questioned the McCanns and their friends, for quite a while.

If the McCanns along with their friends, arrived back at apartment 5a, at around 22:30, it wouldn't have taken Gerry more than a minute to contact Brown, because he had his personal telephone number. Brown would have telephoned Blair and Blair would have telephoned John Buck all this could have been done within 15 minutes at the most. Leaving John Buck 15 minutes to make the telephone call which Ribeiro received at 23:00hrs. Or so the link below says.

http://newsoutlines.blogspot.co.uk/p/british-foreign-office-timeline.html

interested Thu 29 Aug - 1:45

If my child was missing I would be out looking for her and expecting to find her at any moment. The fact is, in very short order, Gordon Brown was contacted, who then contacted Tony Blair who, in turn, contacted the British Ambassador in Portugal by 11:00 pm on the night her parents discovered her "missing".

Yet we are led to believe the parents, who admit they did not look for Madeleine the night they reported her missing because, as I recall, they were busy, are not suspects.

Unbelievable!!!!

susible Thu 29 Aug - 6:15

The morning after Madeleine disappeared, Gerry McCann said he telephoned Gordon Brown, to tell him Madeleine was missing. Although I don't know what time Gerry McCann phoned Gordon Brown, but he would have had to have telephoned him before the Portuguese police arrived at apartment 5a. In fact I would imagine all the people the McCanns needed to contact, would have been contacted before the police arrived. I would imagine the police questioned the McCanns and their friends, for quite a while.

If the McCanns along with their friends, arrived back at apartment 5a, at around 22:30, it wouldn't have taken Gerry more than a minute to contact Brown, because he had his personal telephone number. Brown would have telephoned Blair and Blair would have telephoned John Buck all this could have been done within 15 minutes at the most. Leaving John Buck 15 minutes to make the telephone call which Ribeiro received at 23:00hrs. Or so the link below says.

Hi Kathybelle, that's the first I've heard that Gerry phoned Gordon Brown on the 3rd of May, have you got a link for that. I believe that one of Gerry's relatives, his brother I think, lived in the same street as Gordon Brown's brother, and that perhaps is how the connection between Brown and the McCanns got underway, but it was not long after that Brown cut all ties with the McCanns, and refused to meet with them personally, re Clarence's statement about the McCanns requesting a meeting with Brown, but they were denied and offered a mid level consular meeting, which the McCann's refused.

Whilst it is still an anomaly as to how John Buck was on the scene so quickly, I am quite sure that the McCanns did not have direct contact with any top level people on the 3rd of May 2007

**T4two** Thu 29 Aug - 8:05

The point of Dr Roberts' article is that Gordon Brown et al were in the know and things were being put in motion before 10 pm on 3 May 2007, which (according to the McCanns and accomplices) is the date the alleged crime of abduction is supposed to have taken place and the time it was discovered. Or am I missing something here?

kathybelle Thu 29 Aug - 9:11

susible wrote:
The morning after Madeleine disappeared, Gerry McCann said he telephoned Gordon Brown, to tell him Madeleine was missing. Although I don't know what time Gerry McCann phoned Gordon Brown, but he would have had to have telephoned him before the Portuguese police arrived at apartment 5a. In fact I would imagine all the people the McCanns needed to contact, would have been contacted before the police arrived. I would imagine the police questioned the McCanns and their friends, for quite a while.

If the McCanns along with their friends, arrived back at apartment 5a, at around 22:30, it wouldn't have taken Gerry more than a minute to contact Brown, because he had his personal telephone number. Brown would have telephoned Blair and Blair would have telephoned John Buck all this could have been done within 15 minutes at the most. Leaving John Buck 15 minutes to make the telephone call which Ribeiro received at 23:00hrs. Or so the link below says.
Hi Kathybelle, that's the first I've heard that Gerry phoned Gordon Brown on the 3rd of May, have you got a link for that. I believe that one of Gerry's relatives, his brother I think, lived in the same street as Gordon Brown's brother, and that perhaps is how the connection between Brown and the McCanns got underway, but it was not long after that Brown cut all ties with the McCanns, and refused to meet with them personally, re Clarence's statement about the McCanns requesting a meeting with Brown, but they were denied and offered a mid level consular meeting, which the McCann's refused.

Whilst it is still an anomaly as to how John Buck was on the scene so quickly, I am quite sure that the McCanns did not have direct contact with any top level people on the 3rd of May 2007

Hi Susible, no I don't have a link/proof, to what Gerry McCann stated, the morning after Madeleine disappeared. However, I'm sure I'm not the only one who heard Gerry McCann say he contacted Gordon Brown. Gerry said Gordon gave him another telephone number, could have been a mobile and he was to call him whenever he liked at any time of the day.

Philomena McCann was asked, how Gerry was able to directly contact Gordon Brown, she said Gordon was a family friend. I did read that Gordon went to university with her brother John.

Gordon Brown was in contact with Gerry for quite a while, while he was Chancellor of the Exchequer, or so Gerry said. I read that Gerry was getting Gordon the help he needed for his son, who suffered from cystic fibrosis. How true this is I don't know. I do know that at some point Brown distanced himself from Gerry, because Clarence was whining about this, in a media interview. However the McCanns were still being helped by other members of the previous Government and as we all know, they are still being helped by the present Government.

I guess no one will ever know, exactly what part the previous and present Governments played, in this case, until or If, the McCanns face justice. The McCanns will squeal like pigs, if this happens, if they go down, they will make sure people will go down with them. I.M.H.O.

kathybelle Thu 29 Aug - 9:24

T4two wrote:The point of Dr Roberts' article is that Gordon Brown et al were in the know and things were being put in motion before 10 pm on 3 May 2007, which (according to the McCanns and accomplices) is the date the alleged crime of abduction is supposed to have taken place and the time it was discovered. Or am I missing something here?

Good morning T4two, I agree entirely with your post. In my opinion, whatever happened to Madeleine, happened before the McCanns went to dinner and because the police and the media were not aware of this happening, the McCanns were free to contact all their high profile friends, who were in their circle. I said in my previous post, that Gerry never said what time he called Gordon Brown.

In my opinion and my opinion only, the McCanns hold some kind of secret, that must never come out and that is why they were not only given help so quickly from the British Government, but from people such as Richard Branson. None of these people lifted a finger to find Madeleine, even though they had the means to do so, it was all about helping the McCanns.

The help the McCanns were given, by these people , cannot be because Gerry was a heart consultant or Kate was a GP, because quite recently 2 hospital consultants, from 2 separate hospitals, have been sacked for inappropriate behaviour, one was sacked because of harassment he gave to a female patient. The other was sacked, because he ignored calls from junior doctors.

Another consultant was recently found dead, after he was on bail, for offences regarding abused children.

All I'm trying to say is nothing sits right with the McCanns and nothing sits right, with all the people who sprang to help the McCanns, when they were contacted by the McCanns. Who should have been out looking for Madeleine and would have been out looking for Madeleine, if she had either been abducted or simply walked out of their supposedly unlocked apartment.

**margaret** Thu 29 Aug - 14:39

There's plenty of nasty stuff on the Internet about Gordon brown and tony Blair, just as there is about the Mccanns.

You don't get all these accusations about everyone in the public eye so can it really be coincidence? If not, there's your cover up.

susible Thu 29 Aug - 15:10

I still don't think there is any cover up, or protection for the simple fact that if there were, we would have heard nothing about the McCanns at all and they wouldn't even have been made arguidos in Portugal if that was the case.

And I still don't think that Gerry directly phoned Gordon Brown on the 3rd of May or the day after, and the only reason I'm saying this is because when facts get confused and something is posted that is not true, it just gives ammunition to the pro McCann faction who then use it to ridicule any theories based on genuine facts..we all know what they're like, so imo it's best to make sure that everything has a legit source, police files, direct quote from the McCanns or better still a video interview from the point of view that if there is a recording of them saying something it's impossible for them to retract what was said.

Maybe someone has a source for Gerry claiming to have phoned Gordon Brown on the night Madeleine went missing?

**Panda** Thu 29 Aug - 15:18

Anyone know who Jerry Lawton is? He is saying the 23/4th and 29/30th for the Trial dates, if that means 4 days that is a long Trial.!!! Please let this be true so we can find out exactly what happened and get on with our lives. He said this on twitter, inside information.??

susible Thu 29 Aug - 15:23

T4two wrote:The point of Dr Roberts' article is that Gordon Brown et al were in the know and things were being put in motion before 10 pm on 3 May 2007, which (according to the McCanns and accomplices) is the date the alleged crime of abduction is supposed to have taken place and the time it was discovered. Or am I missing something here?

I agree that is the point of the article, I'm just questioning the assertion that Gerry phoned Gordon Brown directly on the 3rd of May, and I'm only questioning it because there is so much smoke and mirrors in this case, much of it coming from the McCanns themselves, I just think it is important to clarify exactly who phoned who etc, e.g for years it was implied that the McCanns phoned sky news before they phoned the police, when I believe (if memory serves me correctly) it was Rachel Oldfield who had a contact in the BBC that she phoned. Martin Brunt has always maintained this, even when he was reporting about the 100% DNA match (and as such, not sucking up to the McCanns) that neither the McCanns or anyone in their group phoned sky news...but it became a forum legend and is still something the pros use as a weapon to discredit what the truthseekers are saying.

susible Thu 29 Aug - 15:27

Panda wrote:
Anyone know who Jerry Lawton is? He is saying the 23/4th and 29/30th for the Trial dates, if that means 4 days that is a long Trial.!!! Please let this be true so we can find out exactly what happened and get on with our lives. He said this on twitter, inside information.??

He is a Daily Star reporter and huge McCann sycophant, not sure where he got his info, but it doesn't seem to be correct, unless of course something has changed since yesterday.

chrissie Thu 29 Aug - 15:28

Panda wrote:
Anyone know who Jerry Lawton is? He is saying the 23/4th and 29/30th for the Trial dates, if that means 4 days that is a long Trial.!!! Please let this be true so we can find out exactly what happened and get on with our lives. He said this on twitter, inside information.??

Hi Panda, he's the Daily Star chief crime reporter. He was on the Nancy Grace show this week talking about this case. Where did you get those trial dates from? This is what he tweeted:

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton 28 Aug

Madeleine McCann's parents' libel case against Goncalo Amaral due to take place in Lisbon on September 12/13 & 19/20, court says #McCann

**T4two** Thu 29 Aug - 15:42

I repeat - the point of Dr Roberts' article is that Gordon Brown et al were in the know and things were being put into motion before 10 pm on 3 May 2007. This could be indicative of a wider cover up involving participants other than the parents/holiday friends. Certainly a link to an e-mail from Gordon Brown to John Buck saying that this has to be covered up at all costs would be helpful in clarifying the situation, but unfortunately that ain't going to happen, or hasn't yet. Certainly there was a cover up - otherwise the disappearance would have been solved a long time ago - but did that cover up only involve the parents and possibly one or more of the group they were with? Pass.

**Panda** Thu 29 Aug - 15:44

susible wrote:I still don't think there is any cover up, or protection for the simple fact that if there were, we would have heard nothing about the McCanns at all and they wouldn't even have been made arguidos in Portugal if that was the case.

And I still don't think that Gerry directly phoned Gordon Brown on the 3rd of May or the day after, and the only reason I'm saying this is because when facts get confused and something is posted that is not true, it just gives ammunition to the pro McCann faction who then use it to ridicule any theories based on genuine facts..we all know what they're like, so imo it's best to make sure that everything has a legit source, police files, direct quote from the McCanns or better still a video interview from the point of view that if there is a recording of them saying something it's impossible for them to retract what was said.

Maybe someone has a source for Gerry claiming to have phoned Gordon Brown on the night Madeleine went missing?

I don't remember reading that Gerry phoned Brown either. I read that it was someone phoned Tony Blair and he in turn phoned John Buck who was in the middle of having Dinner about 10pm. From this info, if confirmed, 2 questions need to be addressed.

1. Kate did not run back to the Restaurant to tell the other until 10pm. Do we know what time the call to Blair was made and what time he phoned Buck?

2. How could anyone know for certain this was the case, with all the people searching if Madeleine had just sneaked out of the Apartment and wandered off she would have been found. If she was abducted, for what reason ? How could an abductor know there would be no babysitter in 5a.?

jeanmonroe Thu 29 Aug - 15:49

Panda
Q: "How could an abductor know there would be no babysitter in 5a.?"

A: They couldn't!

**T4two** Thu 29 Aug - 15:57

Panda wrote:
susible wrote:I still don't think there is any cover up, or protection for the simple fact that if there were, we would have heard nothing about the McCanns at all and they wouldn't even have been made arguidos in Portugal if that was the case.

And I still don't think that Gerry directly phoned Gordon Brown on the 3rd of May or the day after, and the only reason I'm saying this is because when facts get confused and something is posted that is not true, it just gives ammunition to the pro McCann faction who then use it to ridicule any theories based on genuine facts..we all know what they're like, so imo it's best to make sure that everything has a legit source, police files, direct quote from the McCanns or better still a video interview from the point of view that if there is a recording of them saying something it's impossible for them to retract what was said.

Maybe someone has a source for Gerry claiming to have phoned Gordon Brown on the night Madeleine went missing?
I don't remember reading that Gerry phoned Brown either. I read that it was someone phoned Tony Blair and he in turn phoned John Buck who was in the middle of having Dinner about 10pm. From this info, if confirmed, 2 questions need to be addressed.

1. Kate did not run back to the Restaurant to tell the other until 10pm. Do we know what time the call to Blair was made and what time he phoned Buck?

2. How could anyone know for certain this was the case, with all the people searching if Madeleine had just sneaked out of the Apartment and wandered off she would have been found. If she was abducted, for what reason ? How could an abductor know there would be no babysitter in 5a.?

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**Panda** Thu 29 Aug - 16:13

susible wrote:
Panda wrote:
Anyone know who Jerry Lawton is? He is saying the 23/4th and 29/30th for the Trial dates, if that means 4 days that is a long Trial.!!! Please let this be true so we can find out exactly what happened and get on with our lives. He said this on twitter, inside information.??

He is a Daily Star reporter and huge McCann sycophant, not sure where he got his info, but it doesn't seem to be correct, unless of course something has changed since yesterday.

Thanks susible ....nobody has repudiated it though , I live in hope. Santa's Little Helpers By Dr. Martin Roberts 25346

**Panda** Thu 29 Aug - 16:21

T4two wrote:
Panda wrote:
susible wrote:I still don't think there is any cover up, or protection for the simple fact that if there were, we would have heard nothing about the McCanns at all and they wouldn't even have been made arguidos in Portugal if that was the case.

And I still don't think that Gerry directly phoned Gordon Brown on the 3rd of May or the day after, and the only reason I'm saying this is because when facts get confused and something is posted that is not true, it just gives ammunition to the pro McCann faction who then use it to ridicule any theories based on genuine facts..we all know what they're like, so imo it's best to make sure that everything has a legit source, police files, direct quote from the McCanns or better still a video interview from the point of view that if there is a recording of them saying something it's impossible for them to retract what was said.

Maybe someone has a source for Gerry claiming to have phoned Gordon Brown on the night Madeleine went missing?
I don't remember reading that Gerry phoned Brown either. I read that it was someone phoned Tony Blair and he in turn phoned John Buck who was in the middle of having Dinner about 10pm. From this info, if confirmed, 2 questions need to be addressed.

1. Kate did not run back to the Restaurant to tell the other until 10pm. Do we know what time the call to Blair was made and what time he phoned Buck?

2. How could anyone know for certain this was the case, with all the people searching if Madeleine had just sneaked out of the Apartment and wandered off she would have been found. If she was abducted, for what reason ? How could an abductor know there would be no babysitter in 5a.?

Hi T4two, is there any way of finding out all the timelines to try and work this out? Remember the Director of Mentorn who were making a Video had
employed an American Actress to play Kate's part who looked remarkably like her. However, Kate's timelines could not fit in with the Group and her part ended up on the cutting room floor.

susible Thu 29 Aug - 16:27

T4two wrote:
Panda wrote:
susible wrote:I still don't think there is any cover up, or protection for the simple fact that if there were, we would have heard nothing about the McCanns at all and they wouldn't even have been made arguidos in Portugal if that was the case.

And I still don't think that Gerry directly phoned Gordon Brown on the 3rd of May or the day after, and the only reason I'm saying this is because when facts get confused and something is posted that is not true, it just gives ammunition to the pro McCann faction who then use it to ridicule any theories based on genuine facts..we all know what they're like, so imo it's best to make sure that everything has a legit source, police files, direct quote from the McCanns or better still a video interview from the point of view that if there is a recording of them saying something it's impossible for them to retract what was said.

Maybe someone has a source for Gerry claiming to have phoned Gordon Brown on the night Madeleine went missing?
I don't remember reading that Gerry phoned Brown either. I read that it was someone phoned Tony Blair and he in turn phoned John Buck who was in the middle of having Dinner about 10pm. From this info, if confirmed, 2 questions need to be addressed.

1. Kate did not run back to the Restaurant to tell the other until 10pm. Do we know what time the call to Blair was made and what time he phoned Buck?

2. How could anyone know for certain this was the case, with all the people searching if Madeleine had just sneaked out of the Apartment and wandered off she would have been found. If she was abducted, for what reason ? How could an abductor know there would be no babysitter in 5a.?

Exactly my point, there is no evidence that Gerry phoned anyone, as Panda says she read an (unconfirmed) report that someone phoned Tony Blair, and then Tony Blair allegedly phoned John Buck...absolutely nothing to do with Gordon Brown or that Gerry phoned anyone (apart from Trish his sister, this we do know as a fact) that was the point I was trying to make, I do realise that everything swung into motion very quickly, too quickly in fact to fit the McCanns timeline, but stating that Gerry phone Gordon Brown on the 3rd of May, when it seems to be unfounded just muddies the waters further imo

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