CRIMEWATCH

I watched the Crimewatch programme and  that is 25 mins of my life that I will never get back again. It gave nothing to the investigation, didn't show anything of any consequence and answered no questions ( not that it was supposed to). As pointed out by others, Oldfield, Tanner and O'Brien were the only ones named,  the rest of the Tapas weren't mentioned by name at all. Why. Are we to assume that Payne didn't go to the apartment and have this 30 second or 30 minute chat with Kate, surely a reconstruction should encompass EVERYTHING which happened at the time. Payne was the one who organised the trip, personally I think his name was kept out for a reason, Gaspars watching? Wonder if they have contacted SY after the show?
One curious thing, when they were talking about Madeleine's birth, Gerry said " she came out almost perfect". Almost perfect? what did he mean by this.
I am hoping that this little showing has done them no favours at all and hopefully made more people think more deeply, especially those who seem to have put the McCanns on a pedestal. Wonder if the rest of the tapas were watching and also Healey's parents.


They also laboured the point of charity collectors and burglaries. There is always some charity collection going on in the Algarve. They come door to door, I have had no end ringing my door bell. Residents get used to it and either don't answer the door or refuse to part with money. People on holiday are likely to be more responsive and will willingly part with money. You only have to look at the tourists who drop money in the the begging bowls of the gypsies ( who then go home to their neat little villas well tucked away). As for burglaries, PDL is predominately a holiday village. Ex-pats and locals do live there but until the season starts properly there are a huge number of unoccupied properties which are ripe for a visit, so it doesn't surprise me one bit that there was a spike in this type of crime in the months leading up to April 2007. It is after all the winter and fewer people around to disturb them.

As the time for the disappearance has now moved to 10pm, does this explain the 'delay' in calling the GNR?

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jassi wrote:

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T4two wrote:

Panda wrote:hhhi T4two, I don't get the Pizza packaging either....unless you are talking about the businessman driving back from Lagos in the early hours of thr morning who caught a couple in the Cars' headlights, the Man carrying something, who turned into a lane ?

Sorry - I'm talking about another famous/notorious case where Brit police went off on a wild goose chase and crimewatch spree, in Bristol I think - nothing to do with the Mcs - everything to do with the way the Brit police work.

I don't know how Redwood made it to Detective Inspector....he is an idiot, but as Lioned pointed out, he was deliberately chosen!!!

Almost everyone is promoted to at least one level  beyond their capability.[/quote
Well there's certainly No Poirot or Holmes among the British police involved in this case so far. Call me "Stu" and Redwood were informers for the McCanns .

I suspect that Redwood is almost typical for the Brit police. Pure investigation appears to be a completely alien concept for him and his ilk. Perhaps Conan Doyle and Agatha Christie are to blame for raising our expectations. The Portuguese on the other hand are far better at it - which is why the Brit police do not undestand them either.

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T4two wrote:So that was Crimewatch. Well, that's what the parents wanted wasn't it? Remember all those years ago when the Portuguese wanted a proper reconstruction and the spokesperson said, "Kate and Gerry are prepared to do a crimewatch type appeal but they don't see the point of doing a reconstruction as requested by the Portuguese police," or words to that effect. So there we have it - SY obliged and the duo got their crimewatch. Well, that's what they do innit? The Brit police I mean - crimewatch appeals and subsequent trawling for suspects using E-fits - it's their modus operandi. I do vaguely remember an alternative of course and that was a case when they were convinced that a pizza or pizza package could be the key to cracking a case - which sent them off trawling through tons of rubbish. Of course we got regular updates on tonnage, how many man hours it was taking etc - all good PR stuff - until by a stroke of luck someone discovered the body and someone at forensics then discovered the DNA which cracked the case and got the perpetrator convicted - or they might still be looking for that pizza to this very day. Which brings me back to the case in hand? For E-fit suspect, person of interest etc. substitute pizza or pizza packaging. Get it? Scotland don't - and I don't expect they ever will. Which is why I'll keep faith in Amaral and the Portuguese - the only real detectives on this case.      

hhhi T4two, I don't get the Pizza packaging either....unless you are talking about the businessman driving back from Lagos in the early hours of thr morning who caught a couple in the Cars' headlights, the Man carrying something, who turned into a lane ?

Ah, you mean the Joanna Yates case who was murdered by Vincent Tabak, T4two
And the missing pizza mystery that became irrelevant in the end.

T4two wrote:So that was Crimewatch. Well, that's what the parents wanted wasn't it? Remember all those years ago when the Portuguese wanted a proper reconstruction and the spokesperson said, "Kate and Gerry are prepared to do a crimewatch type appeal but they don't see the point of doing a reconstruction as requested by the Portuguese police," or words to that effect. So there we have it - SY obliged and the duo got their crimewatch. Well, that's what they do innit? The Brit police I mean - crimewatch appeals and subsequent trawling for suspects using E-fits - it's their modus operandi. I do vaguely remember an alternative of course and that was a case when they were convinced that a pizza or pizza package could be the key to cracking a case - which sent them off trawling through tons of rubbish. Of course we got regular updates on tonnage, how many man hours it was taking etc - all good PR stuff - until by a stroke of luck someone discovered the body and someone at forensics then discovered the DNA which cracked the case and got the perpetrator convicted - or they might still be looking for that pizza to this very day. Which brings me back to the case in hand? For E-fit suspect, person of interest etc. substitute pizza or pizza packaging. Get it? Scotland don't - and I don't expect they ever will. Which is why I'll keep faith in Amaral and the Portuguese - the only real detectives on this case.      

Also remember the "Geordie" tapes in the Yorkshire Ripper case. How many man hours were wasted on that; and how many more women were killed as a result?

confuse confuse well im confused that is for sure - well the only thing i can see for sure is this is the end now - sy have spent their millions - done the cw - and we can all go home in a sence or hang up our mouses - what kind of justice for madeleine is there so sad to say NONE ever imo

Shall we open up a Detective Agency between us:lmao: 

cass wrote:confuse confuse well im confused that is for sure - well the only thing i can see for sure is this is the end now - sy have spent their millions - done the cw - and we can all go home in a sence or hang up our mouses - what kind of justice for madeleine is there so sad to say NONE ever imo

Don't give up just yet, cass.
We been here this long, lets give it a few weeks and see how it pans out.
(This post is as much to myself as it is you   I feel like hanging up my mouse right now, but I'm not giving them the satisfaction)

cass wrote:confuse confuse well im confused that is for sure - well the only thing i can see for sure is this is the end now - sy have spent their millions - done the cw - and we can all go home in a sence or hang up our mouses - what kind of justice for madeleine is there so sad to say NONE ever imo

No Cass, if this Crimewatch program doesn't bring any results , it's back to another 2yrs and £5 million spent on the Phone thingy. 

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Panda wrote:

T4two wrote:So that was Crimewatch. Well, that's what the parents wanted wasn't it? Remember all those years ago when the Portuguese wanted a proper reconstruction and the spokesperson said, "Kate and Gerry are prepared to do a crimewatch type appeal but they don't see the point of doing a reconstruction as requested by the Portuguese police," or words to that effect. So there we have it - SY obliged and the duo got their crimewatch. Well, that's what they do innit? The Brit police I mean - crimewatch appeals and subsequent trawling for suspects using E-fits - it's their modus operandi. I do vaguely remember an alternative of course and that was a case when they were convinced that a pizza or pizza package could be the key to cracking a case - which sent them off trawling through tons of rubbish. Of course we got regular updates on tonnage, how many man hours it was taking etc - all good PR stuff - until by a stroke of luck someone discovered the body and someone at forensics then discovered the DNA which cracked the case and got the perpetrator convicted - or they might still be looking for that pizza to this very day. Which brings me back to the case in hand? For E-fit suspect, person of interest etc. substitute pizza or pizza packaging. Get it? Scotland don't - and I don't expect they ever will. Which is why I'll keep faith in Amaral and the Portuguese - the only real detectives on this case.      

hhhi T4two, I don't get the Pizza packaging either....unless you are talking about the businessman driving back from Lagos in the early hours of thr morning who caught a couple in the Cars' headlights, the Man carrying something, who turned into a lane ?

Ah, you mean the Joanna Yates case who was murdered by Vincent Tabak, T4two
And the missing pizza mystery that became irrelevant in the end.

Hindsight is a marvellous thing isn't it. You all think detective work is easy? There are hundreds of snippets of information that come into a Police Incident Room during any major investigation and absolutely everything has to be forensically gone through. I would rather they investigate what they think is a good lead and get it wrong than not bother at all.

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cass wrote:confuse confuse well im confused that is for sure - well the only thing i can see for sure is this is the end now - sy have spent their millions - done the cw - and we can all go home in a sence or hang up our mouses - what kind of justice for madeleine is there so sad to say NONE ever imo

No Cass, if this Crimewatch program doesn't bring any results , it's back to another 2yrs and £5 million  spent on the Phone thingy. 

It would be interesting to see if Gerry's phone was used at all near the beach at the relevant time?

LJC wrote:

wjk wrote:

Panda wrote:

T4two wrote:So that was Crimewatch. Well, that's what the parents wanted wasn't it? Remember all those years ago when the Portuguese wanted a proper reconstruction and the spokesperson said, "Kate and Gerry are prepared to do a crimewatch type appeal but they don't see the point of doing a reconstruction as requested by the Portuguese police," or words to that effect. So there we have it - SY obliged and the duo got their crimewatch. Well, that's what they do innit? The Brit police I mean - crimewatch appeals and subsequent trawling for suspects using E-fits - it's their modus operandi. I do vaguely remember an alternative of course and that was a case when they were convinced that a pizza or pizza package could be the key to cracking a case - which sent them off trawling through tons of rubbish. Of course we got regular updates on tonnage, how many man hours it was taking etc - all good PR stuff - until by a stroke of luck someone discovered the body and someone at forensics then discovered the DNA which cracked the case and got the perpetrator convicted - or they might still be looking for that pizza to this very day. Which brings me back to the case in hand? For E-fit suspect, person of interest etc. substitute pizza or pizza packaging. Get it? Scotland don't - and I don't expect they ever will. Which is why I'll keep faith in Amaral and the Portuguese - the only real detectives on this case.      

hhhi T4two, I don't get the Pizza packaging either....unless you are talking about the businessman driving back from Lagos in the early hours of thr morning who caught a couple in the Cars' headlights, the Man carrying something, who turned into a lane ?

Ah, you mean the Joanna Yates case who was murdered by Vincent Tabak, T4two
And the missing pizza mystery that became irrelevant in the end.

Hindsight is a marvellous thing isn't it.  You all think detective work is easy?  There are hundreds of snippets of information that come into a Police Incident Room during any major investigation and absolutely everything has to be forensically gone through.  I would rather they investigate what they think is a good lead and get it wrong than not bother at all.

Nobody's disputing that, LJC. What we are all saying is, they shouldn't be shoe-horning an investigation down the road of a pet theory, twisting things to make them fit, in order to obtain some desired result; and risk missing other important things in the process.

i cannot get this out of my head today since watching the cw - usually we have familys pleading for help - now i would have expected more of the please bring madeleine back to me - you know whats happend to my little daughter bla bla - did anyone get from that programme last night that kate has resigned herself that madeleine is no more ? for the 1st time ever i really had the feeling that kate didnt know everything re this case and looked shell shocked

I also think much of the spadework was done by the Portugese Police and with 37 SY Police and 5 Clerical staff working on one case for over 2 years
the Public should expect better than Redwood has come up with. The Taxpayer is paying for this and if nothing else is found and no arrests made Cameron will have to answer to the public as to why he over-rode the Home office Minister.

cass wrote:i cannot get this out of my head today since watching the cw - usually we have familys pleading for help - now i would have expected more of the please bring madeleine back to me - you know whats happend to my little daughter bla bla - did anyone get from that programme last night that kate has resigned herself that madeleine is no more ? for the 1st time ever i really had the feeling that kate didnt know everything re this case and looked shell shocked

I think it is more the Amaral Trial that is getting to Kate, hence the rush by Gerry and Kate to have their say. Why would they feel the need to do that? they are the Plaintiffs, not the Defendants. The reason Kate looks ill, is because she is wooried about how much it will cost if they lose the case.

wjk wrote:

Panda wrote:

cass wrote:confuse confuse well im confused that is for sure - well the only thing i can see for sure is this is the end now - sy have spent their millions - done the cw - and we can all go home in a sence or hang up our mouses - what kind of justice for madeleine is there so sad to say NONE ever imo

No Cass, if this Crimewatch program doesn't bring any results , it's back to another 2yrs and £5 million  spent on the Phone thingy. 

It would be interesting to see if Gerry's phone was used at all near the beach at the relevant time?

I just hope they have kept the records of the phone messages. wjk, the Portugese Prosecutor went to Court to ask if they could be used in a Trial , so they must have been important, but the Court said they were too intrusive.

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cass wrote:i cannot get this out of my head today since watching the cw - usually we have familys pleading for help - now i would have expected more of the please bring madeleine back to me - you know whats happend to my little daughter bla bla - did anyone get from that programme last night that kate has resigned herself that madeleine is no more ? for the 1st time ever i really had the feeling that kate didnt know everything re this case and looked shell shocked

I think it is more the Amaral Trial that is getting to Kate, hence the rush by Gerry and Kate to have their say.  Why would they feel the need to do that? they are the Plaintiffs, not the Defendants. The reason Kate looks ill, is because she is wooried about how much it will cost if they lose the case.

I think the liebel case is what has them really worried at this point; they know it has not been going their way. I think they believe Redwood did a great job with the investigation and, for them, has "proven" what happened to Madeleine. I have to wonder though if he even read the Portuguese files containing as they do "evidence" that there was no abduction.

I just saw an "exclusive" story in the Mail Online entitled: "Jimmy Savile's last police interview revealed: 'I brush women away like midges...the police sort out my problems'

I can't help but think the McCanns think likewise.

interested wrote:I just saw an "exclusive" story in the Mail Online entitled: "Jimmy Savile's last police interview revealed: 'I brush women away like midges...the police sort out my problems'

I can't help but think the McCanns think likewise.

Exactly

big sorry in advance to questions
for reasons unknown catch up virgin not working so having to watch cw on lappy and sound slight

1 did gerry say nearly perfect ?

2 did kate say something about whoosh and shutters ? what was said

3 what tapas names did they leave out apart from diane webster ?

cass wrote:big sorry in advance to questions
for reasons unknown catch up virgin not working so having to watch cw on lappy and sound slight

1 did gerry say nearly perfect ?

2 did kate say something about whoosh and shutters ? what was said

3 what tapas names did they leave out apart from diane webster ?

1...Gerry said 'almost perfect'

2...can't remember so maybe someone else will come in

3....No mention of Dianne Webster, the Paynes or Rachel Oldfield as I recall.

cass
 
1 yes
2 don't know
3 The Paynes.

Oops ann_chovey got there before me.

thanks x

Kate did the waving of hands in the air routine, door banging, window open.. I cannot quote what she said, but it was the practiced explanation she has used before. I noticed nothing new.

The reconstruction shows the family McCann having breakfast on morning of 3rd and Madeleine asking her now very well known question about them not coming when they were crying.  

I thought it was 1st May when Mrs Fenn heard crying, so when was Madeleine supposed to have asked this question then.  She must have cried on 2nd as well.

And Kate said she was startled by the question and told Gerry they must take extra care tonight as she would not like to think the children are crying when no one is there, or similar words.

No wonder there is a very angry nation out there right now, but what is this admission about really?  Trying to insinuate it was someone measuring up and doing surveillance on their apartment?  

These things were sort of left to our own imaginations as to their meanings and I think this is what Mr Redwood wants, for us to make of it what WE will.  Same with the window open and curtains flapping, door banging closed scenario.  He does not tell us how an abductor is supposed to have got in or out, just how Kate found it.  Same with Gerry's 9pm visit, when he says he saw the door not as they left it.

Mr Redwood does not elaborate or expand or try to give answers to these questions, he allows the McCanns to narrate the reconstruction using their own words and he then allows us to judge, to read between the lines if you like.

That was my impression.