Andy Redwood...?

Lioned wrote:They have achieved notoriety and made it impossible for the twins to ever live a normal life.

For normal people that would be a miserable situation but for them who knows.

It's funny but people don't change that much. You would think "If they could turn back time" - but to when? People who put themselves first and are litigious and grasping and self centered will continue to make the kinds of mistakes that come from putting themselves first. For people whose problem stemmed from that kind of behavior the unfortunate answer seems to be to do more of that kind of thing rather than less of it.

widowan wrote:

Lioned wrote:They have achieved notoriety and made it impossible for the twins to ever live a normal life.

For normal people that would be a miserable situation but for them who knows.

It's funny but people don't change that much. You would think "If they could turn back time" - but to when? People who put themselves first and are litigious and grasping and self centered will continue to make the kinds of mistakes that come from putting themselves first. For people whose problem stemmed from that kind of behavior the unfortunate answer seems to be to do more of that kind of thing rather than less of it.

Indeed.A personality disorder that effects 1% of the population ,apparently.

widowan wrote:If someone offers to call for you, it is not your responsibility to stand over them making sure they do it when you are out of your mind with worry; you ought to be able to trust someone to do a simple task they have offered to do, like call the cops. Surely that is simple enough. the cops speak Portuguese and having the waiter call them for you since he is bilingual makes a lot of sense to me. They also had Matt supposedly taking care of it.

These people have difficulty getting things done...

Whose word do we have that a waiter offered to call the police? Is it in the waiter's statement? Or are we relying upon Gerry again? I find it all really hard to believe. The McCanns sem to be backpedaling for not having notified the police until 2240. So much of this nonsense is he said/she said, and I know that I believe anyone other than the Tapas lot over them. If the receptionist said that nobody had informed him of the disappearnce until 2240 when Gerry and John Hill showed up, then that is most likely the case.

That is not to say that a call to the police could not have been made earlier by someone's cell phone. We just have the calls made from the MW complex. The GNR were responding to a robbery in Oxiadare, so that delayed their arrival.

B. -

On the Dutch version of CW he rattled ofvanswers as if someone had pressed a button, most peculiar.

I think he has been MK Ultra'd.....The Manchurian candidate is with us...

jinvta wrote:

widowan wrote:If someone offers to call for you, it is not your responsibility to stand over them making sure they do it when you are out of your mind with worry; you ought to be able to trust someone to do a simple task they have offered to do, like call the cops. Surely that is simple enough. the cops speak Portuguese and having the waiter call them for you since he is bilingual makes a lot of sense to me. They also had Matt supposedly taking care of it.

These people have difficulty getting things done...

Whose word do we have that a waiter offered to call the police? Is it in the waiter's statement? Or are we relying upon Gerry again? I find it all really hard to believe. The McCanns sem to be backpedaling for not having notified the police until 2240. So much of this nonsense is he said/she said, and I know that I believe anyone other than the Tapas lot over them. If the receptionist said that nobody had informed him of the disappearnce until 2240 when Gerry and John Hill showed up, then that is most likely the case.

That is not to say that a call to the police could not have been made earlier by someone's cell phone. We just have the calls made from the MW complex. The GNR were responding to a robbery in Oxiadare, so that delayed their arrival.

It is in the waiter's statement - the one who spoke English so he was chosen to wait on them. He said he saw Gerry running around the play yard when Diane was still at the table; he asked if he should call and Gerry said yes. He did not call the cops but called his manager. Those calls were made, several of them, but they appear to not have called cops immediately and then when they did the arrival was delayed due to them being busy elsewhere.

They seem to think the cops would arrive immediately and you'd love to have that, but also they b*tched that the PJ did not arrive til 9 the following day, I am not sure the FBI would be at my door the following day if my child were kidnapped. I highly doubt it.

Six years of obfuscation messes with everyone's heads, as do altered timelines, witness statements and government interference. The truth may well never be known. Mitchell and his smoke and mirrors propaganda has done a wonderful disservice to Britain's standing in the world of justice.

These are the statements that I could find of the Tapas restaurant workers and the only reference to a phone call to police is in bold.

RICARDO ALEXANDRE DA LUZ OLIVEIRA
Date/Time: 2007/01/30 21H00
Waiter
Portuguese

• Works in the “TAPAS” restaurant serving/waiting tables since April
• Hours of work are from 16H00 to 24H00, every day with the exception of Fridays and Saturdays, which are his days off;
• He serves the tables of said restaurant and from 16H00 to 18H00 snacks are served with dinner from 19H00 to 22H00;
• It is not usual to have people who are not guests of the resort, but this sometimes does happen;
• During his hours of work he does not recall having seen anyone who was not a guest of the resort taking refreshments in the Tapas bar;
• In order to enter the restaurant it is necessary to present a guest card in the restaurant reception. It is only this year that the restaurant has been open to the outside public—and he does not remember anyone from the outside having been served;
• Madeleine’s parents would dine every day in the restaurant—a group of nine people;
• He never noticed the children accompanying the adults during dinner;
• The members of the group would usually eat around 20H00 to 21H00 and only when all of them arrived would they begin to eat;
• It was usual, during these dinners, for one or two persons to get up and leave for around 15 minutes and on various occasions he saw a walkie talkie (likely the Payne baby monitor) on the table. He assumed that they would leave to go check on the children in their respective rooms;
• On the 3rd May, the witness arrived at work his normal time at 16H00 and for the first time saw Madeleine’s parents at dinner time which was around 20H45;
• He does not remember if the McCanns arrived together and whether they were the first ones to arrive at the table;
• It was one of his colleagues that served the table; he does not remember if it he served Madeleine’s parents at all;
• He remembers that on the 3rd of May one of the guests who was at the table left for ten minutes, as he was about to serve their starter, and was told to hold it for a few minutes—but it was 15 minutes before this guest returned, around 21H45;
• He does not remember having seen Madeleine’s parents leave the table but it is possible that someone may have left and the witness did not see them;
• Dinner finished at around 21H45 and some minutes passed where the witness looked towards the table but saw no one—his colleague told him that all the guests of that table left rapidly and abruptly. He remembers having heard shouts in the direction of the McCann apartment;
• He did not notice anything out of the ordinary in the restaurant or any strange behaviour of guests;
• When he heard the shouts coming from the direction of the McCann apartment was when he realized that Madeleine had gone missing;
• The table where Madeleine’s parents sat did not have a clear view of the apartment but only to the patio door and the time in which this was happening there is no light in that location, made worse by the fact that around the restaurant there is an opaque plastic covering;
• He was not aware of suspicious people around.


Ricardo Alexandre da Luz Oliveira

Date: 2007.09.07

Having already given a statement to this process, he confirms what is already on record, a copy of which is made available for this investigation

That he comes to the process as a witness and with the hope that he may help in the localisation of the child Madeleine Beth McCann, missing since the 3rd May, 2007, Praia da Luz, Lagos.

Questioned if he was the person who called the reception to tell them that a child had gone missing, he states that he cannot definitively remember if he did or not. He admits that he could have been the one to call.

Clarifies that on that night when he took the dinner orders, the entire group was seated. He remembers that there were nine adults—four men and five women. He did not notice any strange behaviour on their part.

Asked to describe the positions in which the group sat, he states that he can only recall that of the taller man (Russell), as he saw him leave the table, and the older woman, who remained seated after the rest of the group had left the table. Russell, he notes, was seated looking toward the front of the apartments and the older woman occupied a seat that was more or less facing away from the apartments. He is not able to describe the group’s clothing that night.

He states that on that night, after having received the orders, he went into the bar. Immediately, he put two white wine and two red wine bottles, along with a bottle of water, on the table. He cannot be sure that he served more wine that night. The appetiser/starters were served by one of his colleagues. After 25 to 30 minutes, it was the witness who served the main dishes. He remembers that at this moment, the taller male, whom he now knows to be Russell, had left the table. He did not know where he had gone. The witness was asked to keep Russell’s meal warm. After a certain amount of time (he is not able to be exact), he was asked to serve Russell, who had returned to the table. He remembers that the rest of the group had practically finished their main courses. Asked if he remembers having seen all the elements of the group at this time, he cannot remember exactly. He also cannot state the length of time Russell was away from the table. The witness states that he had already served all the clients of the bar and for this reason, believes that Russell was away for some time.

He served Russell and shortly thereafter, he was alerted to strange movements in the restaurant perimeters. He refers to the movements of two men from said group—David Payne and Matthew, who appeared to be searching the gardens the areas near the bar. The witness went to the esplanade zone and saw that the table that had previously been occupied by nine adults was now occupied only by the older woman, called Dianne Webster. It was also at this time that he saw that Russell’s food was only half eaten and that the others had all finished their dinner.
David Payne and Matthew were nervously searching the area.

The witness went to them, he does not remember which one, and asked what was happening. One of them responded to the witness in English stating “GIRL IS MISSING”—that a child had gone missing. After a few moments, around 5 or 10 minutes, he heard screaming from the apartment zone and saw a woman on the balcony of 5 A. He did not understand what she was saying. As it was night, and given the distance from the Tapas bar to the apartment, he was not able to determine if there was someone else next to the woman on the balcony. At that moment his colleague, Joe, met up with him and asked the witness to call the police, and that a child has gone missing and could not be found. Immediately afterwards, Joe left toward the street. He does not know who gave this information to Joe but the witness (or his colleague who believes the witness did so) called the reception asking them to inform the police.
Questioned, he affirms that the group would normally consist of nine people (including Madeleine’s parents), and would normally dine around 20H30 and 20H40. They would not all arrive at once and before they all arrived, some would have c ocktails. On the day of the disappearance, all were seated at the table between 20H35 and 20H45. He remembers them arriving as usual. Had they arrived late, this would have been noted by the staff. He does not remember if they were served c ocktails. When they were all together, the group sat at the table, he took their orders, including the starters. As already mentioned, on this occasion, he would immediately take two white and two red bottles of wine and one bottle of water to the table. Their main courses would normally be ready 25 to 30 minutes after their order—a time they used to consume the starters. After starters, the group would normally spend about 15 minutes finishing the main course. Generally, during dinner, he would serve four bottles of wine (two white and two red), which the group completely consumed. On that day, he did not serve any more wine. It was also normal for certain members of the group to order dessert. After this, they would normally stay at the table until after 23H00 but would always leave before 00H00, the time when the bar closed. One or more of them, on another night, asked for an after-dinner drink. He remembers this clearly because they asked for Amareto and the bar did not stock it.

The witness served almond bitters to all. He remembers that this happened on Wednesday. He does not remember if they had more after-dinner drinks. He does remember that on Wednesday, certain elements of the group got up, with their after-dinner drinks, and headed to the bar and stayed there until about 00H00/00H10. This was the only night where the group elements were in the bar after closing. He also remembers that they would normally be the last clients to leave. Wednesday was the last night they were at the bar after dinner.

When questioned, he states that his colleague Joe is of British nationality and that he left at the end of August to go and live with his parents in England.

And nothing more was said.

Reads, ratifies, signs.


Joaquim José Moreira Baptista

Waiter
Time/Date: 18H50 2007/05/06
Portuguese National

• Is employed as a waiter in the Tapas restaurant since 12th of February, 2007;
• Works daily from 16H00 to 24H00, with the exception of Saturdays, where he begins at 11H30 and leaves at 18H00;
• The nationality of the clients who frequent the restaurant are mostly foreign nationals (mostly from the U.K.) and who stay in the Ocean Club;
• Was aware of picture of the missing child and the group of British tourists that accompanied her but was unaware of their names;
• About a week before the disappearance, the same group would dine almost exclusively at the Tapas restaurant;
• During the times he saw the group dining in the restaurant, he never saw any children with them;
• He does not remember having seen Madeleine “face to face”, and knows her from the photograph circulating at the time of her disappearance;
• It was normal for the men of the dining group, to get up and leave the restaurant and return minutes later. The witness is not aware of where the men were going to but that they would be gone for about 15 minutes;
• The witness can speak clearly to these events because many times he had to bring back the entre/dinner plate of said client(s), until they returned to the table;
• Remembers that on the night of Thursday, the 03rd of May, 2007, Madeleine’s parents dined at the Tapas restaurant, together with the normal group of people. He believes that they arrived between the hours of 20H00 and 21H00;
• He remembers that it was around nine people and remembers having taken the orders of the group;
• Later, between 22H00 and 22H30, he was in the kitchen, and was alerted, by a colleague, to the fact that a guest entered the restaurant screaming, and at this point, the entire group left in a panic;
• His colleague proceeded to tell him that the (screaming) individual indicated that a child had gone missing;
• A few minutes later, the witness noticed that there was a lot of agitation, with many people looking for the child;
• The information that followed was that the missing child, a girl, was the daughter of one of the British couples, referred to above;
• At this point, the witness states that there was no suspicious activity, that he was aware of, around the Ocean Club immediate areas;
• No one asked the witness about the habits of the group or about other groups in particular, or the children of said groups;
• Also states that on Thursday, the day Madeleine disappeared, as he arrived at work, he did not notice the presence of anyone who looked strange/out of place or of a suspicious nature;
• Witness states that towards the end of the day, the immediate restaurant area, is a quiet area with nor many people about;
• The witness notes that with regards the disappearance of Madeleine, there is nothing else he can add or comment on that would clarify the motive of the disappearance.


Arlindo Epifanio Goncalves Fernandes Peleja

Date/Time: 2007/05/08 21H10
Executive Chef
Portuguese

Concerning the issue of the process said;
. Is a functionary of the Ocean Club establishment since the 13th of January of the current year (2007), and is employed as executive chef of the kitchen. He clarifies that along with being responsible for the five (5) kitchens (one of whom is the Tapas) of the Ocean Club, his post essentially centres on the principal kitchen next to a reception, close to the restaurant MIRAGE. His work takes him occasionally to the other kitchens;
. He records that the past Thursday, 3rd of May, he left the central kitchen with the objective of going to the Tapas restaurant in order to determine that everything was functioning smoothly;
. When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10, he remembers that next to the Tapas reception, he saw a vehicle, dark blue in colour, with Portuguese license plates. Although he cannot be definite, he believes it was a Fiesta or Focus. The deponent furthers that is was not a small car, and for this reason it could very well have been a Focus and not a Fiesta. He tells that he does not remember any sticker indicating that it was a rental car. Inside the vehicle he saw no one.
. After parking his vehicle, he entered through the reception of that restaurant, in the left hand direction, toward the side opposite the pool, and passed by the esplanade. He remembers having seen in that esplanade, one table, occupied by three couples, without children, and all of them adults. On the esplanade, he encountered no one else.
. A few minutes later, when it was around 21H20, he heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared. Given the importance of this, believed that he should be in the surroundings. At that moment, he did not leave the area of the restaurant, and did not have the opportunity to check if the vehicle mentioned before was situated in the same location;
. Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;
. When he left, he noticed that the dark blue vehicle was no longer in its location (previously noted) and does not know of the existence or any connection between the presence of that vehicle and the disappearance of the child;
. Ending, states that during the days that preceded the facts, he did not notice any element/individual/fact that would have merited his attention;
. And nothing more said, having read the statement, finds it in conformity and signs it;
. The document is duly signed by me …

Tony Almeida, Inspector with this Polícia Judiciária.
Processos

.... English stating “GIRL IS MISSING”—that a child had gone missing. After a few moments, around 5 or 10 minutes, he heard screaming from the apartment zone and saw a woman on the balcony of 5 A. He did not understand what she was saying.....




Was that when Kate McCann found Madeleine behind the sofa...

These were the alerts before 22.00. The list was compiled by Kazluk and Astro (before my time)



21H20, Executive Chef A. E. G. F. P. heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few meters away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared.
at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;

Property manager B. J. J. W. heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 – 21.40 from P.B., a Dutchman and owner of the Atlántico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine. He then went to the place where the events occurred which was at about 21.45 – 21.50. At this time various local people and MW staff were present. When questioned he said that the police had not yet arrived and that about 5 minutes had passed.

Dinner finished at around 21H45 and some minutes passed where waiter R. A.E D. L. O. looked towards the table but saw no one—his colleague told him that all the guests of that table left rapidly and abruptly. He remembers having heard shouts in the direction of the McCann apartment;

Between 21.30 and 22: Fitness instructor/Waiter J. R. S. went over to the table and joked with (Diane Webster): “They’ve left you alone?” She responded more of less with these words: “No, they went to see if the little girl was there.” I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleine’s father, running to the pool and to the children’s play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty.

approx. 21.55 pm The Smith Family, (4 adults and 5 children) are returning from 'Kelly's Bar', heading north, all spread out along the street and they pass a man walking down the middle of the street, carrying a child, with the head against his left shoulder and the arms hanging down alongside the body, in light colored or pink pyjamas, bare feet, pale skin typical of British and blond, shoulder-length hair; the girl is about 3-4 years old, about 1 metre tall. - The man is not dressed like a tourist; he's wearing cream or beige trousers, classic cut, of linen or cotton. He is white, 30-35 yrs, 1.70-1.80 meters tall, average build, physically fit, short, brown hair, with a face that looks tanned. (GA)

M. M. M. d. S. declares that on the night 03-05-07, she left the apartment at around 21H58—she remembers the exact time because she asked her friend the time and she responded after checking this on the telephone in the lounge;
. They left the building and the deponent and her boyfriend took the Opel Frontera, previously indicated, which was parked out front of the apartment, in the private parking area of Block 6 where her friend’s apartment was located;
. She declares that the night was good with a breeze, and that it was dark;
. After leaving Block 6, they turned right and after left, passing in front of the block occupied by the McCanns. She states that she saw no movement of people, and that in the immediate areas of the blocks she saw no vehicle with the exception of a small car, that appeared to her grey in colour, parked close to the window of the McCann apartment;
She declares further that she mentioned this fact to her boyfriend and that it wasn’t yet summer given the movement on the roads, and at that hour movement was nill;
. States that she looked at the exit of the apartment and that from the flat above the McCanns, she saw light, and also in from of the apartment, but she could not define, concretely, where she saw the light when she passed the McCann apartment;
. Next to the tree, she did not detect any movement of people or vehicles, and nothing struck her as abnormal in that zone that would have raised her suspicions;

Receptionist Ocean Club H. J. S. L. was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 21.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared. He immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child’s father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.

These are the alerts after 22.00-  compiled by Kazluk et al.

Apologies for the very long posts, doesn't it almost look like two events?  But the recent reconstruction in Portugal has establised -as I understand it - that none of the Tapas can be placed at the table between 9.30 and 10.00 , except Diana Webster.


Bar chef M. J. d. S. R. heard about it on that night at about 22.00 when an English tourist arrived at the Millenium restaurant to ask whether anyone had seen a lost little girl.

After 22:00 R. R. S. B. and his wife were still sitting on the veranda in the B. family apartment. They heard noises downstairs and afterwards found out that a child had disappeared. Gerald was seen and spoken to by N.B. and R.R.S.B. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on N.B.’s balcony, not far from the McCann’s apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search.

Between 22H00 and 22H30, waiter J. J. M. B. was in the kitchen, and was alerted, by a colleague, to the fact that a guest entered the restaurant screaming, and at this point, the entire group left in a panic; his colleague proceeded to tell him that the (screaming) individual indicated that a child had gone missing.

about 22.15 Owner of “Duque de Holanda” Bar J. O. W. was working in her bar when some employee who she cannot identify (but whom she knows works for Mark Warner) informed them that a girl had disappeared from the OC.

At about 22.17 Hotel manager E. L. K. received a call from L.J., the Crèche Manager, informing her that the girl had gone missing. She met L.J. and the Service Manager, A.T., near to the Tapas Bar and they initiated the “Mark Warner procedures for the search of a missing child”.

Tennis coach D. J. S. knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because he was contacted by a resort worker having attended and partcipated in the searches.

Tennis coach G.L.J. knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because she lives in the same house as another OC worker and (s)he told her.

22.28 Manager J.H. gets a phone call from L.J., head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to his mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later J.H presented himself at the resort. Upon arriving at the scene he saw about 100 people, employees, guests and residents searching the grounds, the beach and adjoining areas calling out the child’s name.

Head of Maintenance J. C. S. B. was informed about 22.30 by phone by the OC administrator, who had contacted his wife, S.B..

Manager G. R. C. arrived at 22H25 and there found J.H. and other functionaries, S.B., J.B., the former who is employee manager and the latter maintenance; when he arrived at the Ocean Club, he went to the entry of the pool and the restaurant (Tapas) areas of said establishment, having there come across various individuals in the local, all of which were participating in the search for the lost child, and was made up of guests and other people;

At around 22h30, after having left the apartment where she is living, close to the establishment mentioned, together with two more colleagues, also residents there, whose name are Leanne and Sarah, nanny K. M. found her colleague Amy. That during their discussion she was informed that Madeleine McCann had disappeared and that they were looking for her. For this reason, together with her colleagues, they also began searching for Madeleine McCann.

Millennium waitress A. N. d. . heard about the events on the same day at about 22.30 when she was at the restaurant bar where she works, relaxing with her mother and sister. At that moment, a British individual, a tennis instructor entered the restaurant, and told them what had happened, and headed towards the interior of the space where the pool are, looking for the girl. She says that because she had had some alcoholic drinks, she was not in a condition to participate in the searches. However, her sister did take part in the searches, together with her boyfriend.

Just after 22.30 upstairs neighbor Mrs. F. heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out “we have let her down” which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs. F. asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30.

Millinnium restaurant employee D. J. A. V. d. S. stated that an individual, tall and of British nationality, appeared in the restaurant at about 22.30/22.45, who asked him whether he had seen a little girl who had disappeared, describing her as blonde and three years old and that she was probably wearing pyjamas. The witness and his colleague, M.d.F., replied that they hadn’t, upon which the individual ran out.

Millennium waiter G. C. C. C. says that when the events occurred he was working in the restaurant and heard about the disappearance at about 22.30 – 23.00 from a Mark Warner employee (he doesn’t know his name, but he is of English nationality) who, at that moment asked to use a telephone in the bar to make a call as he had received information about the disappearance of the girl on his mobile. He does not know the concrete terms of the conversation but he is clear that something had happened. The employee then left the bar/restaurant. When his shift ended he joined in the searched with his colleague Nelson. He searched until 03.00 AM.

Around 22H45, nanny S. B. O. was in the bar known as ‘Mirage’ together with her colleagues, whose names are Emma, Shinead, Najoua, Hayley and Stacy, which is situated close to the perimeter of the aforementioned resort. After returning from the bathroom, she was informed by her colleague Hayley that a child, of about 3 years of age, and whom was staying at the Ocean Club, had disappeared; she immediately, together with her colleagues, went to the area of a restaurant (Milenium) in the establishment in question near to the bar they were at and began searching for the missing child; during the search, she realised, together with her colleagues of the Ocean Club, others (tourists/owners) were also participating in the search;

22.45/22.50 Manager J. H. went to the apartment being used by the McCanns, where he saw that both members of the couple were in a panic and were shouting that the child had been taken. He always saw the McCanns together in the apartment they were occupying at the time, with the exception of an episode when Gerry went to the main 24 hour reception, with the purpose of speaking to a GNR officer

22.50 pm - First call to GNR Lagos precinct (Guarda Nacional Republicana, rural police); The first call to Police Precinct of GNR (Portuguese Rural Police) in Lagos, reporting a missing child and asking for Police help was made at 10.50pm and a patrol was sent, arriving at Ocean Club 12/15 minutes later, according to Lieutenant-Colonel Costa Cabral, Head of Public Relations of GNR.

About 22.55/23.00 manager E. L. K. went to the McCann’s apartment to obtain the girl’s description and of the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared. When she arrived at the apartment, there was a lady on the terrace, whom she now know to be Kate McCann, accompanied by the wife of one of her friends, David Payne. Kate could not say a word, looked very upset and about to cry. It was Mrs Payne who provided her with the details that she needed.

Head of Maintenance J. C. S. B. arrived at about 23.00 and immediately began to search the resort and the beach area, searching in all the places where the child might be. The searches were carried out by employees from the Tapas and the restaurant who had just finished their shifts and by some local people.

Accountant J. D. N. d. O. N. notes that on May 03, 2007, (Thursday), at around 23H00, at home, in Ramalhete, Casa ***, Praia da Luz, Luz, Lagos, situated close to the OC resort, he noticed “much movement and traffic that was out of the ordinary,” outside (vehicles and individuals passing by frequently) for that time of night. For this reason, he went to look out of his window. Whilst this was happening, he noticed a colleague, J.C.B. (Head of Maintenance at the resort) standing next to his house, who told him what had happened. J.C.B. told him that a child staying at the tourist complex had disappeared.

about 23.00 hrs, OC guest G. McK. approached the McCann’s apartment from the bushes at the rear of the apartment. He was searching the gardens. He did not know it was the McCann’s apartment. He saw Mr Gerry McCann standing alone in the doorway at the rear of the apartment talking on his mobile telephone. Mr McCann was looking our over the swimming pool and did not see Mr McKenzie. Mr McCann was absolutely distraught telling the person receiving the call that he feared “she (Madeleine McCann) had been taken by paedophiles”. He does not know who the person receiving the calls was but presumes it to be a family member: “I worked my way around the area, eventually coming around the back of the tennis courts and up towards what I now know to be the McCanns apartment a couple of hours later. I was looking in the little gardens on the poolside of that block, I was in the end garden when I heard a male voice, he sounded distraught his voice cracking with emotion. I looked to see who I now know to be Gerry McCann stood above me on the balcony/patio about 3 metres away speaking on a mobile phone. I cannot recall his exact words but I got the impression that he was speaking to perhaps a family member or someone he was very close to due to the nature of his conversation. He said something along the lines of there being Paedophile gangs in Portugal and that they had abducted Madeleine. I was so shocked by this, having originally thought that she had just wandered off.”

After she arrived about 23.00 S.B. went immediately to the apartment A5 where she found several people inside the apartment and outside of it. She entered in the flat but soon left without having spoken with anyone, because she was informed that elements of the GNR were in the principal reception. She went there to meet them.
When she came close to the elements of the GNR she found that behind her was
Gerry, Madeleine's father, accompanied by another man whose identity she doesn't remember. Then Gerry kneeled down, hit the floor with both hands, positioning himself as if he were a praying Arab, and screamed twice of anger, what he said being impossible to understand. Then Gerry stand up and accompanied her (the witness) and the other man in the car of the GNR to the apartment A5. S.B. walked Gerry to the GNR car, so he could deliver the requested documents. She states that she carried out these diligences, and other diligences, at the request of the GNR Commander as they used the deponent’s knowledge of the English language to translate the questions that were asked from the missing person’s family members, and the answers that were given. She remembers that Gerry gave the GNR Commander several photographs of the missing person. These were postcard-type photographs, taking their size and shape into account. They were actually photographs of the size and shape of a postcard, and they seemed to be all similar to her.

23.00/23.05 pm - A GNR patrol arrives at Ocean Club (two men); When they arrived they saw the girl’s father, a friend whom GNR Officer N. F. P. d. C. describes as tall and blond, an OC employee and a translator who was also an OC employee, named S.B.. He found it notable that when they were still at the main reception, the father kneeled down, laying his head on the ground and crying, at the same time as making an expression which GNR Officer N. F. P. d. C. did not understand.

Estimated time around 23.10 pm Both David Payne and Matthew Oldfield were seen by E.L.K. when she was on her way to the beach, the search area to which she was assigned by L. J. (child care director and search coordinator).

23:14 Gerry calls Kate (8 seconds)

23:17 Gerry calls Kate (31 seconds)

Estimated time 23.15 - After hearing about the circumstances of the disappearance (from the father with the help of translation) GNR Officer N. F. P. d. C. does not remember whether the word abduction was mentioned, and he went in his police car, to the apartment, accompanied by the father, the friend and the translator.

malena stool wrote:Six years of obfuscation messes with everyone's heads, as do altered timelines, witness statements and government interference. The truth may well never be known. Mitchell and his smoke and mirrors propaganda has done a wonderful disservice to Britain's standing in the world of justice.

  sorry havent been posting for a bit -i do look in to here and jills im feeling that justice may never come sorry to say the mcanns and friends set out to confuse confuse and tbh if sy and portugal really wanteded them behind bars it would have happened before now

cass wrote:

malena stool wrote:Six years of obfuscation messes with everyone's heads, as do altered timelines, witness statements and government interference. The truth may well never be known. Mitchell and his smoke and mirrors propaganda has done a wonderful disservice to Britain's standing in the world of justice.

  sorry havent been posting for a bit -i do look in to here and jills im feeling that justice may never come sorry to say the mcanns and friends set out to confuse confuse and tbh if sy and portugal really wanteded them behind bars it would have happened before now

Exactly, cass!

wanted oh dear my long finger nails and lappy : poor mcanns on and on what about poor madeleine that we know cried for over a hr wanting i shudder at the way they come on tv do interviews etc brass neck

They have told the same lies for so long, it is now their reality. The curtains did whoosh, the crying was nothing, everybody leaves their kids alone to go boozing.

I don't think, Kate in particular, can separate the truth from fiction any longer. The same lies have been repeated over and over, she has this image in her head of how it should have been and she clings to that.

Madeleine said she had the best day ever, on Thursday night, according to Kate. That is how Kate wants to remember it, not how it was. Children of that age don't do "best days ever", life is one long day to them with sleep in between. They just want to do stuff again and again.

I don't know if we will ever see justice, it's finely balanced at the moment. I believe 2014 will bring closure though, if its done in an honest manner remains to be seen.

mossman i think 2014 will be the end too -things i hope will happen in soon

1 madeleine found and laid to rest - this is about her
2 sy and portugal to work together to find out the truth whatever it maybe
3 everyone that ever had anything to do with madeleine during that holiday reinterviewed under caution
4 after all that has been done and if no outcome - make a statement as such and any fund money given to charity

cass.   

Wanteded..........   Your little typo only really dawned on me after I'd posted cass.. Sorry for highlighting it.    

As for the McCann's brass neck...
Were it not for the support of Mitchell, HMG putting reporting restrictions in place, a lack of cooperation between British Police and their Portuguese colleagues investigating Madeleine's disappearance and not a single adverse report from any Child Protection Agency, they would never be giving interviews. They would however, have been before a court long ago.
IMHO, that is...

There won't be any fund money left as the'shop isn't selling any t shirts so something is in the air.

so that early on, when the initial search was still on going GMcC was on the phone saying Madeleine had been taken by a gang of paedophiles. How dsid he know this, is anyone asking these questions of him. Well if he knew that then and he and his wife have no chance of imaginging she has come to no harm. it would be kindest to wish she were in another world rather than suffer at such people.

tanszi wrote:so that early on, when the initial search was still on going GMcC was on the phone saying Madeleine had been taken by a gang of paedophiles.  How dsid he know this, is anyone asking these questions of him. Well if he knew that then and he and his wife have no chance of imaginging she has come to no harm.  it would be kindest to wish she were in another world rather than suffer at such people.

I've often thought that the McCanns are from the planet Zog, unable to even simulate human emotions because the software for human feelings and imagination was not installed.

If I thought my 4 yr old had been taken by a paedophile about an hour ago, I'd be looking, not wait 40 mins before phoning the police.
Surely most mothers have an invisible connection to a vulnerable child? My thought would fly to find her, I'd be talking to her in my head all the time I was searching, checking on my mobile with he others. If it were me, I'd be convinced that I woud be the best person to search for her, I'm on the same wavelength, I would feel if she was near. Sorry, got a bit passionate there, but most people here have looked harder for a pet.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XHtLlIgx7v8/Uok2l08qcXI/AAAAAAAABCU/r23eZ0JZRhM/s1600/whoisthis.jpg



Catriona Baker in November 2007.




Part off her interview...2008.....



....Most of the time in which I saw the family together, the children would be eating. The twins appeared tired at lunch, after a long day and also perhaps due to the heat, but I never became preoccupied by the children of by the comportment of the McCanns.


She also wrote out then bracelets the first day.

I don't understand.....the mccanns we suspects...baker was a witness the same as the rest off the tapas lot.....how on earth were suspects and witnesses allowed to stay together let alone meet In a hotel to corroborate their stories.....what about an impeding trial...it doesn't seem right at all....how were they allowed to do this.

Madeleine McCann: Tapas 9's secret meeting

Missing Madeleine McCann 
By Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz6:53PM GMT 08 Dec 2007
The McCanns and the seven friends who dined with them on the night Madeleine went missing have met for the first time since her disappearance on May 3, it has emerged.
More on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
The "emotional and deeply sad" reunion was held at a hotel near Kate and Gerry McCanns' home in Rothley, Leicestershire around a fortnight ago.

The Tapas Nine had wanted to keep the meeting secret but yesterday details of it were leaked by a source close to the McCanns.
"It was a private meeting in a hotel and was the first time that the group had collectively met since Madeleine's disappearance," said the source.

"Of course it was emotional and deeply sad for all involved," the source said and also admitted that it was an opportunity to discuss events amid reports that the group are to be re-interviewed by police.
"It was an opportunity for the group to discuss the events of the summer and to talk about what may happen next," the source continued.
"They wanted to talk about possibly being interviewed by police again and what that may entail."
The willingness of the friends to meet dispels claims that some of them had fallen out with the couple and wanted to change their witness statements given to Portuguese police.
"It was a show of solidarity under police claims that one or two had wanted to change their stories," said the source.
"That is just not the case and the meeting showed that. It was a meeting to express support by the friends and just to see each other again. They hadn't seen each other properly."
But the meeting could anger Portuguese detectives who hope to travel to Britain to carry out interviews of the group in the coming days.
They believe that inconsistencies in original statements made by members of the Tapas Nine could hold the key to solving the mystery.
Meanwhile a former Portuguese police chief said the McCanns should have been arrested as soon as their daughter disappeared for "abandoning" their children.
"When the parents told police that they went to dinner and left the children at home alone, they confessed to the crime of abandonment and should have been charged on that first day," said Paulo Pereira Cristovao in an interview with Portuguese daily newspaper 24 Horas.

"The penalty of abandonment is at least three years imprisonment," he stated reiterating previous calls for them to face prosecution for their actions.

Mr Pereira Cristovao, 38, left the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) in September and now heads the Portuguese Association for Missing Children (APCD), which leads the hunt for missing children in Portugal.

When Madeleine disappeared on May 3 from the hotel apartment in Praia da Luz she became the ninth official missing child in the country but Mr Pereira Cristovao said her case would not be considered by the organisation.
"I was asked what I thought about inviting the McCanns to the APCD. I said no, because they're suspects," said Mr Pereira

"She is (the ninth child on the PJ's missing people page) but the case involves a criminal investigation which is still on the boil, with the parents as suspects." "We have eight children whose disappearances are unexplained," he said vowing not to rest until he had discovered what happened to them.
Commenting on the snub, Mr Mitchell said: ""Madeleine is still a missing child and she went missing in Portugal so we would hope that she would be treated as such by this organisation but ultimately that is a matter for them."

Same time as Baker was there....collecting all their allies before the rogatories...

kitti wrote:http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XHtLlIgx7v8/Uok2l08qcXI/AAAAAAAABCU/r23eZ0JZRhM/s1600/whoisthis.jpg



Catriona Baker in  November 2007.




Part off her interview...2008.....



....Most of the time in which I saw the family together, the children would be eating. The twins appeared tired at lunch, after a long day and also perhaps due to the heat, but I never became preoccupied by the children of by the comportment of the McCanns.
She also wrote out then bracelets the first day.

That would be the bracelet Maddie wasn't wearing either in the tennis photo or in the pool photo? Even though she went back to the creche ?
(The tennis photo was reversed, the right direction is where she faces left)

Where are the bracelets....