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Not Born Yesterday wrote:I don't think that knowing someone at the BBC is necessarily of significance - it might be the tea lady! A very important person in her way, of course.

I have seen it said somewhere recently that the Healys know Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe but is there any proof of that?

I have a feeling that it's John McCann who knows Gordon Brown's brother.

But it wasn't the tea lady and I don't know anyone connected to Gordon brown and I'm sure you don't and I'm quite sure Kerry Needham didn't get a phone call from a prime minister .

cherry1 wrote:don't blame you!

Pity they didn't send these in

Thanks for the up-date cherry1. I could not bring myself to watch it, I feared for the safety of my tv.

Nothing new obviously, same old poor Kate and Gerry. Accuracy in re-constructions made me laugh. How about actually doing a reconstruction in the first place !

mossman wrote:

cherry1 wrote:don't blame you!

Pity they didn't send these in

Thanks for the up-date cherry1.  I could not bring myself to watch it, I feared for the safety of my tv.

Nothing new obviously, same old poor Kate and Gerry.  Accuracy in re-constructions made me laugh.  How about actually doing a reconstruction in the first place !  

LOL   I didn't watch as I can't stand watching the lying pair. Did Gerry pull on his ear and scratch his nose as usual?

How many retakes of a reconstruction would the McCanns need?  The Chaplin's night would be a telling one as it's been said they didn't check on the children at all. The distance was around 800 yards back to 5A.  I don't think any checks were done on any night.

kitti wrote:I've always found it odd that people within the group knew people in the 'Know'.


Gerry McCann knew Gordon Brown.

Kate Mccsnns parents know someone high up in the MET


Rachel Oldfield knows someone who happens to work for the BBC.

Well you must think me odd as well then, or me and my hubby, because we know a few high ranking (retired and still serving) Police Officers some of whom in turn may have links to the Met and my cousins's son is an actor and has starred in TV programmes for the BBC/ITV and has just starred in a film, and some friends of ours in the village have a son who is a journalist who works in the North East and researches stories for the regional TV news up there, oh and we can count a millionaire amongst our personal friends as well (not that you would know it as he's so down to earth) oh, nearly forgot, and my best friend has a friend whose daughter speaks Spanish so well she got a job researching properties for A Place in the Sun programme and this friend's husband is a legal clerk.

Think long and hard - we all know people who we do not realise we know; second cousins perhaps who have good jobs, neighbours with links to someone or other perhaps. Think long and hard about it.

And its about how you drum up support for your cause, its about your imagination and a sharing of imaginations amongst all of your friends. If you want to get a message out there quickly, really quickly, it is very easily done and you can reach millions of other people because of modern technology. Think of what Stephen Sutton did. He wasn't famous, just an ordinary young man who was very ill but with a little help from his friends and from his own imagination he spoke to so many who helped.

I'm with kitti on this. It is unusual for the members of that particular group of holidaymakers to have the connections they did.

Anyone who has ever been to Uni is bound to "know" a few people. I can count 2 current MPs; one ex-Chancellor Of The Exchequer; a prominent Scottish businessman; a whole clutch of reporters, including a senior editor at Sky; a musician with the SSO; some radio presenters; one Professor Emeritus; a subtitler with the BBC; and believe it or not, an occasional presenter on Television X!

And that was just a bog standard, ordinary degree at a bog-standard redbrick Scottish University. Nothing special. But you do "meet" people there, lose touch with them, and get in touch with them again. I think the Tapas 9 were and are very good at making a little acquaintanceship go a long, long way, if needed.

Why is it unusual for them to know these people.

My husband is always pointing to people on news progs saying "I met him, had lunch with her, worked with him for 6 years" etc.   We are not rich or influential people but in his line of work he met of lot of people in those categories.  Nothing unusual in it.

Sorry, maybe I didn't explain myself properly.  Yes, we can all 'know' people but there is a difference between 'knowing' people and 'calling in a favour' as it was put.

I have only done it once and that is because he is my close friend's husband.

Ok....but it's the timing off knowing these people.


Brown ...was he PM.


Hogan Howe...he's doing the review.


As I said., did Kerry Needham have the then PM on speed dial?



Off course she didn't.

Has anyone here ever had a PM ring them?

Tony Blair was prime minister until 27th June 2007.

I take the point though that the McCanns had connections which most people don't.

I've recently read Kerry Needham's book. She watched with amazement at all the help that flooded the McCanns' way. She didn't begrudge them it, just wondered why it was all so different for her.

She would begrudge it if she knew what we know!

I remember when he went missing and what the sun newspaper wrote about Her.


They were vile.


They went to town on her Insinuating she was a Chav from a council estate and I remember her open reply to them.



It's a shame that I can't find the reply but let's say she was mad as hell and she said...'at least I didn't immediately set up a million pound fund within day's '.


I think Kerry KNOWS about the Mccanns and I think what she thinks privately isn't what she says in public . She tows the line a bit I think because she wants her son back and she needs all the help she can get....so she acts dignified as far as the mccanns are concerned .


She's not an idiot and I always thought when they went digging for Ben and didn't find anything the mccanns would do the same

kitti wrote:Has anyone here ever had a PM ring them?

Thank God no !! I did have one tell me I had nice hair though, we have never met but were at the same function and it was close to election time.

I believe they "knew" people who "knew" people. In my previous line of work i have met with not necessarily famous people but influential financial backers for government projects and in turn government representatives for those projects.

Do I know any if them well enough to ring them from PDL ? Definitely not. However one or two former colleagues would know them well and in turn those former colleagues would still be my friends. So I guess if desperate I would try that course of action.

All of that said, it pre-supposes it was the McCanns who were being protected. If there is an unknown person worthy of Government assistance mixed up in this, then how do we know where the first point of contact came from.

Ok, Rachel contacted the press, that's no big deal, many people could. How do we know for certain they had numbers for Blair/Brown or whoever in their phones the day they left the UK ? How do we know it was not made to look as if they made the first contact with Blair/Brown to avoid it looking like the Government jumped in without being asked ?

The comment from the Sun can't have been at the time when Ben went missing in 1991 if Kerry made the remark about the McCanns' million pound fund.

I do remember her being quoted as being critical of the fund in recent years.

I met Margaret Thatcher once when I worked for CEGB and she opened a nature reserve funded by them. I had to be at her side all the time (in case she needed a toilet and it had to be a lady who escorted her to it - she didn't incidentally) but that's the closest I've ever come to hobnobbing with a PM and I don't think she would have appreciated a future call for help of any kind.

Gerry was on Comare Committee with Andrew Brown.

Re Crimewatch special programme it was called - Living with Murder

also check out how Kirsty Young mentions murder a few times when making reference to Mccanns

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-09-16/kirsty-young-we-are-confronting-our-worst-fears-when-we-watch-crimewatch

cherry1 wrote:Re Crimewatch special programme it was called - Living with Murder

also check out how Kirsty Young mentions murder a few times when making reference to Mccanns

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-09-16/kirsty-young-we-are-confronting-our-worst-fears-when-we-watch-crimewatch

Very interesting. Thanks cherry

LJC wrote:

kitti wrote:I've always found it odd that people within the group knew people in the 'Know'.


Gerry McCann knew Gordon Brown.

Kate Mccsnns parents know someone high up in the MET


Rachel Oldfield knows someone who happens to work for the BBC.

Well you must think me odd as well then, or me and my hubby, because we know a few high ranking (retired and still serving) Police Officers some of whom in turn may have links to the Met and my cousins's son is an actor and has starred in TV programmes for the BBC/ITV and has just starred in a film, and some friends of ours in the village have a son who is a journalist who works in the North East and researches stories for the regional TV news up there, oh and we can count a millionaire amongst our personal friends as well (not that you would know it as he's so down to earth) oh, nearly forgot, and my best friend has a friend whose daughter speaks Spanish so well she got a job researching properties for A Place in the Sun programme and this friend's husband is a legal clerk.

Think long and hard - we all know people who we do not realise we know; second cousins perhaps who have good jobs, neighbours with links to someone or other perhaps.  Think long and hard about it.

And its about how you drum up support for your cause, its about your imagination and a sharing of imaginations amongst all of your friends.  If you want to get a message out there quickly, really quickly, it is very easily done and you can reach millions of other people because of modern technology. Think of what Stephen Sutton did.  He wasn't famous, just an ordinary young man who was very ill but with a little help from his friends and from his own imagination he spoke to so many who helped.

No doubt, but I'm sure few of us would have their contact details immediately to hand when far a way on a foreign holiday.

LJC wrote:

Well you must think me odd as well then, or me and my hubby, because we know a few high ranking (retired and still serving) Police Officers some of whom in turn may have links to the Met and my cousins's son is an actor and has starred in TV programmes for the BBC/ITV and has just starred in a film, and some friends of ours in the village have a son who is a journalist who works in the North East and researches stories for the regional TV news up there,

Just asking, LJC, but do you think the police officers, you know, would care to impart to you, their 'views' on OG and their 'views' on what they think happened to a 'missing' girl, given all the information, they have 'gleaned' over the last 7 years.

Has your journalist friend ever asked to 'investigate'  about 'missing' Madeleine?

And if he did, what was the response from his 'boss'?

Thx in advance.

Just to add: I know police officers at the Met and they SAY that DCI Redwood's FAUX 'investigation' (OG), and they mention his, now retired, ex boss at Grange, DSI Hamish Campbell, who 'fitted' up 'local nutter' INNOCENT Barry George, to life imprisonment, for 'killing' J Dando, IS and i quote "a total fcuking embarrassment" to the Met's 'reputation' and to the 99.9% of honest cops that work there.

When asked WHY DCI Redwood was 'chosen' for OG, they all refer to the above!

"The apple never falls far from the tree", they say!

Anyone, absolutey ANYONE other than the most 'obvious' they say.

ie., The very LAST person, admitted on record, to have claimed to have SEEN 'a LIVE', now, 'missing' child in her bed, the child's own father.

But what can they do when the big, big, CHEESE, at the Met, BHH, is a totally 'dedicated' (?)  McCann's, 'supporter'?'

jeanmonroe wrote:

LJC wrote:

Well you must think me odd as well then, or me and my hubby, because we know a few high ranking (retired and still serving) Police Officers some of whom in turn may have links to the Met and my cousins's son is an actor and has starred in TV programmes for the BBC/ITV and has just starred in a film, and some friends of ours in the village have a son who is a journalist who works in the North East and researches stories for the regional TV news up there,

Just asking, LJC, but do you think the police officers, you know, would care to impart to you, their 'views' on OG and their 'views' on what they think happened to a 'missing' girl, given all the information, they have 'gleaned' over the last 7 years.

Has your journalist friend ever asked to 'investigate'  about 'missing' Madeleine?

And if he did, what was the response from his 'boss'?

Thx in advance.

Just to add: I know police officers at the Met and they SAY that DCI Redwood's FAUX 'investigation' (OG), and they mention his, now retired, ex boss at Grange, DSI Hamish Campbell, who 'fitted' up 'local nutter' INNOCENT Barry George, to life imprisonment, for 'killing' J Dando, IS and i quote "a total fcuking embarrassment" to the Met's 'reputation' and to the 99.9% of honest cops that work there.

When asked WHY DCI Redwood was 'chosen' for OG, they all refer to the above!

"The apple never falls far from the tree", they say!

Anyone, absolutey ANYONE other than the most 'obvious' they say.

ie., The very LAST person, admitted on record, to have claimed to have SEEN 'a LIVE', now, 'missing' child in her bed, the child's own father.

But what can they do when the big, big, CHEESE, at the Met, BHH, is a totally 'dedicated' (?)  McCann's, 'supporter'?'

The Police personnel we know have views on all sorts of things and differing views at that. And the Police Force can be a strange environment to work in, many of the male officers can do bitchy far better than many of the female officers. There is often resentment towards fellow officers who get promoted ahead of others.

jassi wrote:No doubt, but I'm sure few of us would have their contact details immediately to hand when far a way on a foreign holiday.

Of course we wouldn't have all of our neighbours contact details to hand on a foreign holiday but its not about phone calls as there are so many ways in which to communicate with people, even people we hardly know. Think of email. Think of Facebook - I alone have several neighbours in my cul de sac on there even though I only have to cross the road to knock on their door if I want to speak to them. I have half the village on there too. Its not so much about calling in favours, its about getting a message out there. The McCanns have shown us how to do it (not that anyone here is in danger of losing a child on holiday) but for those who are as careless/neglectful, they too will know how to go about getting the message out.

@LJC from your post:

Its not so much about calling in favours, its about getting a message out there

I was specifically referring to Brian Kennedy stating that they had 'called in favours'.

http://news.sky.com/story/572921/exclusive-parents-to-stay-in-portugal

Responding to criticism that the McCanns would not have had so much help if they weren't doctors, he said: "It's true we have friends we could call on that others may not have - and we used them, we called in favours.

chrissie wrote:@LJC from your post:

Its not so much about calling in favours, its about getting a message out there

I was specifically referring to Brian Kennedy stating that they had 'called in favours'.

http://news.sky.com/story/572921/exclusive-parents-to-stay-in-portugal

Responding to criticism that the McCanns would not have had so much help if they weren't doctors, he said: "It's true we have friends we could call on that others may not have - and we used them, we called in favours.

Hi Chrissie. But calling in favours does not always mean something sinister behind it. It may mean they have helped others out in the past and now its their turn to receive help in return. Its just a word that can be interpreted differently depending on how you want to look at it I suppose.

LJC wrote:

chrissie wrote:@LJC from your post:

Its not so much about calling in favours, its about getting a message out there

I was specifically referring to Brian Kennedy stating that they had 'called in favours'.

http://news.sky.com/story/572921/exclusive-parents-to-stay-in-portugal

Responding to criticism that the McCanns would not have had so much help if they weren't doctors, he said: "It's true we have friends we could call on that others may not have - and we used them, we called in favours.

Hi Chrissie.  But calling in favours does not always mean something sinister behind it.  It may mean they have helped others out in the past and now its their turn to receive help in return.  Its just a word that can be interpreted differently depending on how you want to look at it I suppose.  

Of course, I was just giving my take on it.