Syria warns West against intervention

ISIS HAS HAD ISLAMIC GROUPS IN UZBEKISTAN AND EVEN SRI LANKA SUPPORT THEM.

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katertaif wrote:

Badboy wrote:A WONAN WHO WANT  OUT THERE TO MARRY A JIHADI HAS COMPLAINED THAT THE SYRIAN WINTER WAS VERY COLD,THOUGHT IT WAS HOT ALL YEAR AROUND

Not high marks for IQ then?

IT WAS I WHO THOUGHT IT AS HOT ALL YEAR ROUND.
SHE SHOULD RESEARCHED BEFORE SHE WENT.

Did she go from the UK Badboy 'cos if she did, it sometimes isn't very warm here either. In any case, I mistrust this idea of them being radicalised. Which in turn means that I mistrust their motives in wanting to come back, for whatever reason they claim.

Places like Saudi Arabia, and Oman, are hot all year round, although to be accurate, it can get very cold at night in winter. Syria is far enough North to have a climate similar to ours.

When I was in Oman, the village I lived in (Juaymah camp) had a bar. The Dolphin Bar. On my visits to the bar I frequently saw people, mostly men but some women, wearing "T" shirts with 55 on them. one night my wife was talking to one of the Ladies wearing such a shirt, so I asked her what the 55 meant? It meant they played a round of golf in 55 degrees Celsius, that's 131 degrees in real money!!! Now that is bravery!!

katertaif wrote:

Badboy wrote:

katertaif wrote:

Badboy wrote:A WONAN WHO WANT  OUT THERE TO MARRY A JIHADI HAS COMPLAINED THAT THE SYRIAN WINTER WAS VERY COLD,THOUGHT IT WAS HOT ALL YEAR AROUND

Not high marks for IQ then?

IT WAS I WHO THOUGHT IT AS HOT ALL YEAR ROUND.
SHE SHOULD RESEARCHED BEFORE SHE WENT.

Did she go from the UK Badboy 'cos if she did, it sometimes isn't very warm here either. In any case, I mistrust this idea of them being radicalised. Which in turn means that I mistrust their motives in wanting to come back, for whatever reason they claim.

Places like Saudi Arabia, and Oman, are hot all year round, although to be accurate, it can get very cold at night in winter. Syria is far enough North to have a climate similar to ours.

When I was in Oman, the village I lived in (Juaymah camp)  had a bar. The Dolphin Bar. On my visits to the bar I frequently saw people, mostly men but some women, wearing "T" shirts with 55 on them. one night my wife was talking to one of the Ladies wearing such a shirt, so I asked her what the 55 meant? It meant they played a round of golf in 55 degrees Celsius, that's 131 degrees in real money!!! Now that is bravery!!

SHE COME FROM ENGLAND,MIDLANDS?

Badboy wrote:ISIS HAS HAD ISLAMIC GROUPS IN UZBEKISTAN AND EVEN SRI LANKA SUPPORT THEM.

They have groups all over Badboy. It's a hydra headed monster spawned by the age we live in, and the advantage they have being able to use western technology using oil money. Islam itself stifles invention of any kind, but when you can buy weapons or infiltrate as a fifth column what boots it ???

The problem is the very very narrow interpretations they put on verses in the Qu'ran. So I have no doubt that while there are supporters of ISIS in every country; therE will also be supporters of the al Nusra brigade, al Shabaab, al Queda, Boko Haram. etc. etc. The only thing they have in common is their answer to anyone who disagrees with them. It comes out of the barrel of a Kalashnikov 6.5mm assault rifle, end of argument.

Badboy wrote:

katertaif wrote:

Badboy wrote:

katertaif wrote:

Badboy wrote:A WONAN WHO WANT  OUT THERE TO MARRY A JIHADI HAS COMPLAINED THAT THE SYRIAN WINTER WAS VERY COLD,THOUGHT IT WAS HOT ALL YEAR AROUND

Not high marks for IQ then?

IT WAS I WHO THOUGHT IT AS HOT ALL YEAR ROUND.
SHE SHOULD RESEARCHED BEFORE SHE WENT.

Did she go from the UK Badboy 'cos if she did, it sometimes isn't very warm here either. In any case, I mistrust this idea of them being radicalised. Which in turn means that I mistrust their motives in wanting to come back, for whatever reason they claim.

Places like Saudi Arabia, and Oman, are hot all year round, although to be accurate, it can get very cold at night in winter. Syria is far enough North to have a climate similar to ours.

When I was in Oman, the village I lived in (Juaymah camp)  had a bar. The Dolphin Bar. On my visits to the bar I frequently saw people, mostly men but some women, wearing "T" shirts with 55 on them. one night my wife was talking to one of the Ladies wearing such a shirt, so I asked her what the 55 meant? It meant they played a round of golf in 55 degrees Celsius, that's 131 degrees in real money!!! Now that is bravery!!

SHE COME FROM ENGLAND,MIDLANDS?

In that case Badboy she is not very bright, but lets be honest anyone wanting to join this bunch of killers and rapists, in whatever capacity has to have something wrong with them mentally to start with. So I'm neither surprised nor impressed by her wanting to come back. What about the doubtless "brave" man she was going to be married to? Was she not prepared to put up with some little discomfort for his sake? I assume that in between killing the men, and raping the women, he would have made her a very loving and attentive husband. Just the sort you need under the duvet in those long cold Syrian winters! Even when he was off fulfilling his duty to Allah she could have snuggled in with the other three wives he as allowed.

KATERCAIF?,I HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT POLYGAMY IS THE SUPPOSED NORM AMONG JIHADIS

Badboy wrote:KATERCAIF?,I HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT POLYGAMY IS THE SUPPOSED NORM AMONG JIHADIS

The thing she is forgetting the "temporary" nature of these so called marriages. It is very easy in Islam for a man to get a "divorce" Your normal Muslim doesn't practice things like that but these s called Jihadis do because it suits them. There have been several examples of a woman entering one of these "marriages of convenience" only to find that her loving husband, moving on to fresh fields and pastures new so to speak will pass her on to another of his fellows who will when the time comes, pass her on again. Remember she is only a chattel when all is said and done.

A MUSLIM MP HAS SAID THAT 2,000 BRITS HAVE GONE TO SYRIA/IRAQ TO JOIN ISIS.
SEPARATELY MANY SYRIAN FIGHTERS FROM FSA HAVE GONE TO ISIS/AL NUSRA.

Badboy wrote:A MUSLIM MP HAS SAID THAT 2,000 BRITS HAVE GONE TO SYRIA/IRAQ TO JOIN ISIS.
SEPARATELY MANY SYRIAN FIGHTERS FROM FSA HAVE GONE TO ISIS/AL NUSRA.

There was a news item about this Badboy earlier today. Cameron can't deny these fighters re-entry to Britain if they are British Citizens because technically they are not fighting against Britain .

Badboy wrote:A MUSLIM MP HAS SAID THAT 2,000 BRITS HAVE GONE TO SYRIA/IRAQ TO JOIN ISIS.
SEPARATELY MANY SYRIAN FIGHTERS FROM FSA HAVE GONE TO ISIS/AL NUSRA.

Yes, Firstly it was a handful, no more than that. Then it became a couple of dozen - If that many, By last week that had become up to 500 perhaps more. Now it's 2,000 plus. Shows what they are like doesn't it? Born here, brought up and educated here, Yet happy to join an organisation that specialises in Killing, raping, torturing and slavery.

katertaif wrote:

Badboy wrote:A MUSLIM MP HAS SAID THAT 2,000 BRITS HAVE GONE TO SYRIA/IRAQ TO JOIN ISIS.
SEPARATELY MANY SYRIAN FIGHTERS FROM FSA HAVE GONE TO ISIS/AL NUSRA.

Yes, Firstly it was a handful, no more than that. Then it became a couple of dozen - If that many, By last week that had become up to 500 perhaps more. Now it's 2,000 plus. Shows what they are like doesn't it? Born here, brought up and educated here, Yet happy to join an organisation that specialises in Killing, raping, torturing and slavery.

THE TUNISIAN CONGENINT IS EVEN BIGGER 3-5,000 I THINK,THAT HOPE THEY DON'T ALL RUSH BACK HOME ALL AT ONCE.

JIHADI JOHN HAS A DOUBLE POSSIBLY AND MIGHT HAVE COME FROM MAIDA VALE

Badboy wrote:

katertaif wrote:

Badboy wrote:A MUSLIM MP HAS SAID THAT 2,000 BRITS HAVE GONE TO SYRIA/IRAQ TO JOIN ISIS.
SEPARATELY MANY SYRIAN FIGHTERS FROM FSA HAVE GONE TO ISIS/AL NUSRA.

Yes, Firstly it was a handful, no more than that. Then it became a couple of dozen - If that many, By last week that had become up to 500 perhaps more. Now it's 2,000 plus. Shows what they are like doesn't it? Born here, brought up and educated here, Yet happy to join an organisation that specialises in Killing, raping, torturing and slavery.

THE TUNISIAN CONGENINT IS EVEN BIGGER 3-5,000 I THINK,THAT HOPE THEY DON'T ALL RUSH BACK HOME ALL AT ONCE.

JIHADI JOHN HAS A DOUBLE POSSIBLY AND MIGHT HAVE COME FROM MAIDA VALE

Wherever he comes from, he should be killed. ASAP As the inhuman monster he is..

I see Theresa May has unveiled another load of hogwash aimed at preventing them from returning. They have been reported as done and dusted, but they are very far from that. The ECHR will not agree, and Angela Merkel certainly wont. Our European partners will either squash the lot or at the least water them down so as to be ineffective.

For instance they had a lot on the 7 o'clock news about asylum seekers. Does it not cross any ones mind that they are all illegal? and should be sent straight back. International agreement says that genuine asylum seekers should seek asylum in the first safe country they find themselves in. France is perfectly safe, as are the countries they must have also gone through to reach France. Ergo, to be so desperate to reach Britain means that something here is better that France, Germany, Italy Austria etc. etc. We all know what that is.

Going back to the topic Badboy, our politicos are just starting to waken up to what some of us have been saying for some time. The danger is increasing whether from the likes of this John who may come from Maida vale to all the others who join ISIS/ISIL, and who may come back, possibly through the likes of Calais. Money would be no object, I'm sure their paymasters would happily cough up the money to get them back here. Then they could start plotting terror, attacks. Theresa may claims 40 such plots have been foiled since 7/7, and still they keep trying. Our security services are doing a magnificent job, but the terrorists need only to get lucky occasionally

THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS THAT THE ASSAD REGIME IS COLLUDING WITH ISIS IN ELIMATING THE MODERATE SYRIAN OPPOSITION,NEXT THERE WILL BE ACCUSING ASSAD OF BEING A TERRORIST.

Badboy wrote:THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS THAT THE ASSAD REGIME IS COLLUDING WITH ISIS IN ELIMATING THE MODERATE SYRIAN OPPOSITION,NEXT THERE WILL BE ACCUSING ASSAD OF BEING A TERRORIST.

Isn't there a saying about needing a long spoon when supping with "auld Clootie"? To collude with ISIS/ISIL in eliminating the so called moderate groups would need a very long spoon indeed.

As far as I can see these "moderate groups" are terror merchants in their own right. They have systematically reduced Syria to rubble, and forced hundreds of thousands to flee in terror. To refugee camps where conditions for the young girls is to say the least tenuous.

No way for anyone to live.

That is what these splinter terrorists have achieved, nothing more. Assad is still there, ruling over the rubble. I had heard that there was some discussion between some of the terror groups, in this case, the al Nusra brigade, and our old jolly chums ISIS/ISIL to band together on this issue at least to eliminate all the splinter groups. That if successful would inevitably mean that Assad was facing a terrorist group with certainly a superiority in manpower, all battle hardened veterans by then. With modern weapons dubiously obtained to be sure, but money is not an object, just as it is no object to promoting terror on the streets of Britain and other European countries. There are arms dealers who for a price (and ISIS/ISIL certainly have the price) will supply anything at all. We saw in the Falklands conflict how the rules were somehow bent so that Aerospatiale could fulfil an order for Exocet missiles and Super Etendard bombers.

All things considered, I think It would be very very unlikely that Assad would be silly enough to collude with them. Especially when they may very well be going to do that very thing themselves. Of course since both groups have declared their own Caliphates it is unlikely that they would stay together for very long.

I READ SOMEWHERE THAT ISIS HAS SO MANY WANTING TO JOIN UP THAT THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH WEAPONS FOR ITS FIGHTERS AND THOSE WHO WANT TO JOIN.

Badboy wrote:I READ SOMEWHERE THAT ISIS HAS SO MANY WANTING TO JOIN UP THAT THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH WEAPONS FOR ITS FIGHTERS AND THOSE WHO WANT TO JOIN.

I can quite believe it Badboy. We are not only thinking in terms of the 2,000 plus who may (and in my own mind, I am certain) have joined from Britain. They are talking global Jihad, and their leader, al Baghdadi in  arrogating to himself the tribal name of the prophet Mohammed (al Quraishi). puts himself in direct line as the Caliph, at least as far as Sunni Muslims go.

The whole idea of a global Caliphate resonates strongly among some Muslims, the ones who are more than happy to proselytise or spread their religion.

This was traditionally done at the point of the sword, now it's done from the barrel of a 6.5 mm Kalashnikov assault rifle. Same thing in the end. become a Muslim ( of their particular brand) or a  corpse, some choice!!! ISIS/ISIL are practicing it in the areas they control.

After the initial spread of Islam, all the way to the gates of Vienna, where superior technology saw them off. For a few hundred years Islam remained dormant the Fundamentalists could dream, but had no means of enforcing that dream. Islam stifles any form of inventiveness but they are more than happy to buy it.Now they have, they have money enough to buy what they need through oil which King Faisal of Saudi Arabia claimed was God given to the faithful.

All this as I say resonates strongly in the minds of the Fundamentalist. Determined to spread the good word. Of course the good word must be spread by terror, and atrocities. It is at the very least unfortunate that your average Muslim is peace loving  while Islam itself is anything but. Islam per se is violent and unforgiving. The Qu'ran spells it out many times. We have our schisms in Christianity and many of them were born in Violence, torture and terror. Torquemada was definitely not a nice man. We have evolved from that. Matured if you will, Islam;  Fundamentalist Islam has not and will not. I agree with Theresa May in that is will go on for years.

SYRIAN GOVERNMENT AIRCRAFT HAVE ATTACKED RAQQA KILLING 63 CIVILIANS
CHILD SOLDIERS BEING USED IN KOBANI BATTLE.
THERE ARE 46 JIHADI TRAING CAMPS IN SYRIA/IRAQ.
TWO ALLEGED GAY MEN STONED TO DEATH.
ISIS ARE ACCEPTING RECRUITS WITHOUT CHECKS ON THEIR BACKGROUND.

Badboy wrote:SYRIAN GOVERNMENT AIRCRAFT HAVE ATTACKED RAQQA KILLING 63 CIVILIANS
CHILD SOLDIERS BEING USED IN KOBANI BATTLE.
THERE ARE 46 JIHADI TRAING CAMPS IN SYRIA/IRAQ.
TWO  ALLEGED GAY MEN STONED TO DEATH.
ISIS  ARE ACCEPTING RECRUITS WITHOUT CHECKS ON THEIR BACKGROUND.

Good evening Badboy

It's my understanding that when under attack from artillery. or airstrike, the civilians are not allowed to seek shelter. That is reserved for the brave fighters of ISIS/ISIL. Then of course they can demonise the attackers for killing civilians. They see it as a win win situation Saving their own, and blaming the opposition. I feel for the dead but I don't see it the Way the terrorists do. They are the real murderers of those innocent people.

It is quite normal among the extremists to use children as cannon fodder, During the Iran/Iraq war, the Iranian revolutionary Guard regularly sent in children as young as five and six to face Iraqi fire and battle tested troops at that. They were each given a key, which they were told was the key to Paradise should they be killed as most of them were. I understand that once the Iraqis realised they were killing children, they did their best to round them up rather than kill them, which of course gave the Iranian revolutionary guard chance to attack the Iraqis. So no it saddens me, but doesn't surprise me.

A couple of weeks ago, the terrorists staged a short video, in which a girl had allegedly committed adultery, I understand there was no trial. her father refused to forgive her, so she was stoned to death. It was stage managed with the ISIS commander pleading with the father to forgive her, so that stoning would not be necessary. Instead the Father tied her up himself, led her to a hole and forced her in. He was throwing stones at his daughter with far more force than anyone else. It passed through my mind that the father was being forced to act as he did and throwing stones with such force might actually be merciful insofar as killing her faster, at least rendering her senseless. That is sharia law in operation, stoning to death is the prescribed penalty for adultery and being gay.

Alleged because under sharia law, the only way you can be convicted of such a crime is to be caught in flagrente by four men or eight women. Or to admit it three times in open court. That is what that Saudi princess did some time ago now. She thought they wouldn't actually kill her so she admitted it the prescribed three times, forcing the judge who was her uncle by the way to pass sentence. I doubt if any such thing happened in the case of these allegedly gay men. Again sharia law, with their narrow view of it.

As for checking on their background the fact that they claim to be willing to die for their deity I would have thought enough. they are hardly going to be able to produce a CV showing experience. If they turn out to be not what they claim..... a bullet would be the answer as it is to all questions in their brutish minds. That is also the penalty for joining up and then reneging. There are only two things on their minds. Killing, and sex preferably by raping some poor girl shut up in one of their brothels.

I HAVE REMEMBERED READING TODAY THAT ISIS HAS EXECUTED SOME SUPPOSED DESERTERS,PEOPLE WHO DECEIDED THEY DON'T WANT TO FIGHT ANYMORE FOR ISIS.
THERE MIGHT ALSO BE SOME PRESSGANGING,BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS HAPPENING.

Badboy wrote:I HAVE REMEMBERED READING TODAY THAT  ISIS HAS EXECUTED SOME SUPPOSED DESERTERS,PEOPLE WHO DECEIDED THEY DON'T WANT TO FIGHT ANYMORE FOR ISIS.
THERE MIGHT ALSO BE SOME PRESSGANGING,BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS HAPPENING.

That is the penalty. The extremists make no distinction between deserting and leaving Islam altogether.

From the numbers going, each week, and those already there, I don't think press ganging is necessary. they allegedly already have more than they have weapons for as it is. Western governments are rightly worried about the numbers flocking to ISIS/ISIL I do not accept that anyone has radicalised them, just as I do not accept that they can be de-radicalised if and when they come back. No one has turned them they were radical to begin with.

As for welcoming them back as some want, that would be IMHO highly dangerous. Given the news over the last few months about the atrocities committed by these terrorists. They know exactly what they are going for. Given that is their mindset, any such programme trying to rehabilitate them would be fraught with danger.

katertaif wrote:

Badboy wrote:I HAVE REMEMBERED READING TODAY THAT  ISIS HAS EXECUTED SOME SUPPOSED DESERTERS,PEOPLE WHO DECEIDED THEY DON'T WANT TO FIGHT ANYMORE FOR ISIS.
THERE MIGHT ALSO BE SOME PRESSGANGING,BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS HAPPENING.

That is the penalty. The extremists make no distinction between deserting and leaving Islam altogether.

From the numbers going, each week, and those already there, I don't think press ganging is necessary. they allegedly already have more than they have weapons for as it is. Western governments are rightly worried about the numbers flocking to ISIS/ISIL I do not accept that anyone has radicalised them, just as I do not accept that they can be de-radicalised if and when they come back. No one has turned them they were radical to begin with.

As for welcoming them back as some want, that would be IMHO highly dangerous. Given the news over the last few months about the atrocities committed by these terrorists. They know exactly what they are going for. Given that is their mindset, any such programme trying to rehabilitate them would be fraught with danger.

WITH REPORTS BY SOME YAZIDIS OF BABIES BEING KILLED IN SINJAR,YOU DO WONDER WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT TO JOIN A BUNCH OF BABY KILLERS.

SOME ARE BLAMING THE PINOT-SYKES LINE/SETTLEMENTAFRER WW1 FOR THE PRESENT CRISIS.

Badboy wrote:SOME ARE  BLAMING THE PINOT-SYKES LINE/SETTLEMENTAFRER WW1 FOR THE PRESENT CRISIS.

Supposed to be a secret the Pinot Sykes agreement was designed to define the spheres of influence in the region between mainly Britain and France, although Russia was a bit player in it. on the assumption that the Ottoman Empire would be a thing of the past. drawn up in 1916, Russia blew the whistle on it after the Russian Revolution.

Jack Straw blamed it, and he got everything else wrong. How can the Pinot Sykes agreement have influenced the spawning of Boko Haram, or al Shabaab. Did they create Hamas, or Hezbollah? Are they responsible for the twisted narrow views of these extremists?

Fundamentalist Muslims have dreamed of a new Caliphate, ever since the old one went South. Since Islam is the only religion left which aggressively promotes Islam as the one true faith the dream is obviously a global Islam, with a Caliph ruling over it. That dream predates Pinot Sykes by a few hundred years.

They have dreamed of a global Caliphate but only in the last half century have they been able to start putting it into practice. with oil money This in turn has spawned the terrorist groups who with or without Pinot Sykes are; in their own warped and twisted way proselytising Islam in the only way they know, through terror.

Individual Muslims may be peace loving, but Islam isn't peaceful at all. Ir's paradise on earth for the extremists and the fundamentalists but not for anyone else. Including Peaceful Muslims

Up to now the groups have restricted themselves to individual terrorist atrocities. ISIS/ISIL are far more dangerous, since their leader al Baghdadi al Quraishi it has to be said has some little idea of what he is trying to do. Of course it's still through out and out terror they don't know any other way. but he is trying to forge what amounts to a country, or as he would have it a Caliphate with himself as the Caliph. This is infinitely more dangerous than the others for a number of reasons. the greatest of which being that if he was to establish and pacify his all Sunni Muslim Caliphate, no matter how small, it would expand. That is the nature of the beast, expansion trough terror and conversion, forcible if that is the only way, or killing - if they refuse to embrace Sunni Islam. Pinot Sykes could not have foreseen that, let alone influenced it. ISIS/ISIL are drawing their own map.