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This one could be dynamite !!!!!!!!

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post12924.html#p12924


Processos VI
1581 to 1584

Witness Statement of Maria Cecilia Pereira Pires

Date: 2007.05.23

Profession: Journalist for Portugal Resident

She has been a journalist for about 16 years, but has worked for the above-referenced paper for about one month.

Questioned, responds that on the 4th of May, 2007, she was asked to go to Praia da Luz, Lagos, in order to cover the case of a missing child.

She clarifies that she was informed that the disappearance of the child occurred in the Mark Warner Ocean Club resort, and that the family/child’s family surname was McCann.

She responds that when she arrived at Praia da Luz around 09H30/10H00, and as she headed to the GNR post where she gathered some information, she then headed next to a group of journalists where she learnt further case details.

Because so little time had passed since the disappearance, she took the decision to walk around the area of the resort.

She adds that this decision was also made due to the information that the child may have left the apartment of her own accord, and may still be in the immediate area.

During her walk, she came across a bare patch of land, situated north, a few meters from the resort. She met a male individual, about 50 years in age, who approached her and asked if she was involved in the [read organized?] search for the missing child.

The deponent told him that she was not, even though she confirmed that she was looking, in order to calm her conscience a bit.

In this context, the individual proposed that both of them head towards a house, apparently unlived in, but not abandoned, with the intent of looking for the child, and so it would not appear like trespassing.

After entering the parking area of the residence, where they called out to see if anyone was home, they verified that a woman was inside. This was a woman of advanced age, around 70 years old, 1,5 to 1,6 metres in height, with grey hair combed and coiffed in the shape of a “banana”. The individual with the deponent asked this older woman to help them search for this child. This older woman agreed.

She clarifies that the individual headed toward the pool zone and the deponent, accompanied by the older woman, lagged behind as the older woman walked slowly.

During this time, the older woman exclaimed to the deponent that she was bothered with the entire situation of the disappearance and further commented that the parents had to be going through great anguish.

The above conversation occurred in English, with the older woman indicating that she lived about 100 metres from the resort, and that the night prior she noticed the arrival of the police due to their sirens. This was around 22H00.

The woman in question told her that she had been having dinner with her son when she heard the sirens, and assumes that it was at this time that the disappearance was noted.
She clarifies that the older woman did not speak about a ‘child or a boy child’ and specifically mentioned “a girl child”. The deponent did not find this strange because by that time, May 4th, everyone knew it was a girl child that had gone missing.

The woman above also indicated that her son was working with the police in trying to locate the child.

She adds that after searching the area around the residence where they found nothing, (the same can be said for the pool neat the house), they were stopped by a neighbor. From what she could make out, he was German but asked them in English what was going on, and then after responded that the Police had been searching the area with dogs.

During the conversation with the older woman, the deponent was introduced to this individual. The deponent confirmed that she was a journalist. The other individual told them that he was searching for the child. The deponent then left the area and the other individuals staying behind.

This situation appeared to her very normal.

She responds that during her work, she came to know the son of the older woman. The journalists referred to him as Robert Murat. He was someone who was involved with the journalists and police with much freedom. He spoke both English and Portuguese.

She states that on the 5th of May, the British journalists affirmed that Robert Murat was one of the suspects in the missing child case. He appeared very much surprised at this and confirmed that he was going to back-off so that he would not be the subject of such comments. Following this point, it was very difficult to contact him.

She clarifies that when she saw the pictures at the information kiosk operated by Robert’s mother, she was certain that his mother was the same one she had met on the 4th.

She responds that when she read the notices, offered by Robert’s mother, she was taken aback by one sentence. That sentence read that the child had gone missing at 07H00 on the 4th of May. This information was supposedly proffered as a result of a telephone call she received. As a result, she set up the information kiosk. The deponent found this strange, given what had occurred between her and this woman on the 4th of May.

She affirms that she became aware of the name of the older woman from newspapers. On the day she initially met her (the 4th of May) this older woman did not identify herself.

She adds that she has many times pondered this situation but always thought it was of no significance. Only today and when she saw what was written did she decide to communicate the fact. She knows with absolute certainty that this older woman was aware of the disappearance given what this older woman had stated to her the morning of May 4th.

Because she is asked, the deponent responds that she bears no grudge against these individuals who she has never seen before. She is certain that this appears an attempt to construct an alibi. There is incongruence between what the older women is stating regarding the 4th and what can be read in the newspapers of today (23 of May, 2007). She felt it her obligation to communicate these facts to the authorities.

And nothing more was said.

Reads, ratifies and signs.

Phew! the plots thickens once again. I wonder who the 50 year old male was.

lnorton wrote:Phew! the plots thickens once again. I wonder who the 50 year old male was.

Gerry. He hasn't worn well.

lnorton wrote:Phew! the plots thickens once again. I wonder who the 50 year old male was.

It raises lot's of questions !!

I wonder what house it was and what was Jenny Murat doing inside it.

What is the problem with this statement?

She says that she got to PDL around 10.00, by which time everyone would know that a girl was missing, so why should she be suprised that Mrs Murat knew that fact?

For that interesting statement, so Robert's mother set up a stall telling everyone Madeleine disappeared at 7 on the 4 May, rather odd /defensive disinformation by mummy there. We know the lengths mothers will go to, to protect their children. Rhys's killer's mother is currently doing time for trying to save her son by telling wicked lies and frustrating the police investigation.


Was it the brilliant Sandra Fileguiras again who said, and do you know Robert Murat, provoking that angry response from Gerry, I am not going to comment on that, prior to almost ripping Kate' arm from its socket, as he dragged her off. Robert flew back into Pt on 1 May if I recall from UK. On 2 May Gerry received a series of 14 text messages the contents of which he does not wish to reveal and saw fit to delete. Were they from Robert, who I just have to admit has always looked decidely shifty to me. Including when he sat there with that alert and earnest look on his face, completely silent as reporters interviewed, I think it was his mother and aunt. The of course he becomes a millionaire from this just like the McCanns, then he does a synchronised talk at Cambridge, at the same time as Clarence is at Oxford. Once he even said he had sympathy for the McCanns and Maddie still needs to be found, maybe he would know all about that?

Sandra Fileguiras is very much on the ball and I bet knows exactly what happened, how cute of her to ask Gerry such a pertinent question.

littlepixie wrote:I wonder what house it was and what was Jenny Murat doing inside it.

Sounds to me like it was the Murat house. Not sure why it would have appeared unlived in but the PJ had not done their "gardening" at that stage so maybe it was a litle overgrown.

Quote viv/
Was it the brilliant Sandra Fileguiras again who said, and do you know Robert Murat, provoking that angry response from Gerry, I am not going to comment on that, prior to almost ripping Kate' arm from its socket, as he dragged her off

I have seen another version of this interview on the Maddie case files site which shows that the version where it seems Gerry storms off has been manipulated to look that way and he doesnt really.

Sorry O/T
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6680000/newsid_6681000/6681035.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&nol_storyid=6681035&bbcws=2

viv wrote:For that interesting statement, so Robert's mother set up a stall telling everyone Madeleine disappeared at 7 on the 4 May, rather odd /defensive disinformation by mummy there. We know the lengths mothers will go to, to protect their children. Rhys's killer's mother is currently doing time for trying to save her son by telling wicked lies and frustrating the police investigation.


Was it the brilliant Sandra Fileguiras again who said, and do you know Robert Murat, provoking that angry response from Gerry, I am not going to comment on that, prior to almost ripping Kate' arm from its socket, as he dragged her off. Robert flew back into Pt on 1 May if I recall from UK. On 2 May Gerry received a series of 14 text messages the contents of which he does not wish to reveal and saw fit to delete. Were they from Robert, who I just have to admit has always looked decidely shifty to me. Including when he sat there with that alert and earnest look on his face, completely silent as reporters interviewed, I think it was his mother and aunt. The of course he becomes a millionaire from this just like the McCanns, then he does a synchronised talk at Cambridge, at the same time as Clarence is at Oxford. Once he even said he had sympathy for the McCanns and Maddie still needs to be found, maybe he would know all about that?

Sandra Fileguiras is very much on the ball and I bet knows exactly what happened, how cute of her to ask Gerry such a pertinent question.

This might be mistranslation - she may have received a phone call at 07.00 telling her that the child was missing.
Does anyone else say that Mrs Murat was telling people that Madeleine went missing at 07.00?

viv wrote:For that interesting statement, so Robert's mother set up a stall telling everyone Madeleine disappeared at 7 on the 4 May, rather odd /defensive disinformation by mummy there. We know the lengths mothers will go to, to protect their children. Rhys's killer's mother is currently doing time for trying to save her son by telling wicked lies and frustrating the police investigation.


Was it the brilliant Sandra Fileguiras again who said, and do you know Robert Murat, provoking that angry response from Gerry, I am not going to comment on that, prior to almost ripping Kate' arm from its socket, as he dragged her off. Robert flew back into Pt on 1 May if I recall from UK. On 2 May Gerry received a series of 14 text messages the contents of which he does not wish to reveal and saw fit to delete. Were they from Robert, who I just have to admit has always looked decidely shifty to me. Including when he sat there with that alert and earnest look on his face, completely silent as reporters interviewed, I think it was his mother and aunt. The of course he becomes a millionaire from this just like the McCanns, then he does a synchronised talk at Cambridge, at the same time as Clarence is at Oxford. Once he even said he had sympathy for the McCanns and Maddie still needs to be found, maybe he would know all about that?

Sandra Fileguiras is very much on the ball and I bet knows exactly what happened, how cute of her to ask Gerry such a pertinent question.

Have you seen the FULL video, not the edited one ?

This statement was obviuosly given after lori campbell had whipped up the frenzy around Murat actively encouraged by clarrie (and later kate and gerry) I would imagine everyone who had contact with jenny or robert would feel they ought to give a statement. What it shows is that roberts mother was unfased by being visited by foreigners helping to look for the child and had nothing to hide-she said she heard the sirens around 10 pm and was having dinner with her son which turned out to be true-at the time this statement was made reports of tapasniks seeing robert the night before and his denial of same were already circulating-hence the reference to alibi -the reference to a leaflet saying the child had disappeared BY 7 00am on the 4th could have been jenny erring on the side of caution because no one had pin pointed the time of the alleged abduction when jenny produced the leaflets, the infamous time line hadnt reached the portuguese press by the morning of the 4th of may.


I am puzzled by your sudden decision to post this innocuous statement Laffin-could it be that you really are the fifth columnist that the pin-stickers insist you are?

This witness's evidence is that Jenny Murat knew full well when Maddie disappeared because she had already had a conversation with her acknowledging the sirens going around 10 on 3 May but she then sets up a stall stating that Maddie disappeared at 7 the following morning. To me that looks like she set out to deliberately misinform. It was reported at the time that she set up such a stall and that was a very peculiar thing to do. Do people have trouble accepting that maybe Robert was part of what to me was quite obviously a planned disappearance, even though just like the McCanns he is now a millionaire and was previously operating a no hoper business?

Do people not see that the police do things for a reason? They kept Murat an arguido alongside the McCanns for an awful long time!

Laffin Assasin wrote:

viv wrote:For that interesting statement, so Robert's mother set up a stall telling everyone Madeleine disappeared at 7 on the 4 May, rather odd /defensive disinformation by mummy there. We know the lengths mothers will go to, to protect their children. Rhys's killer's mother is currently doing time for trying to save her son by telling wicked lies and frustrating the police investigation.


Was it the brilliant Sandra Fileguiras again who said, and do you know Robert Murat, provoking that angry response from Gerry, I am not going to comment on that, prior to almost ripping Kate' arm from its socket, as he dragged her off. Robert flew back into Pt on 1 May if I recall from UK. On 2 May Gerry received a series of 14 text messages the contents of which he does not wish to reveal and saw fit to delete. Were they from Robert, who I just have to admit has always looked decidely shifty to me. Including when he sat there with that alert and earnest look on his face, completely silent as reporters interviewed, I think it was his mother and aunt. The of course he becomes a millionaire from this just like the McCanns, then he does a synchronised talk at Cambridge, at the same time as Clarence is at Oxford. Once he even said he had sympathy for the McCanns and Maddie still needs to be found, maybe he would know all about that?

Sandra Fileguiras is very much on the ball and I bet knows exactly what happened, how cute of her to ask Gerry such a pertinent question.

Have you seen the FULL video, not the edited one ?

No, LA, I haven't. Do you know where I can find it?

littlepixie wrote:Quote viv/
Was it the brilliant Sandra Fileguiras again who said, and do you know Robert Murat, provoking that angry response from Gerry, I am not going to comment on that, prior to almost ripping Kate' arm from its socket, as he dragged her off

I have seen another version of this interview on the Maddie case files site which shows that the version where it seems Gerry storms off has been manipulated to look that way and he doesnt really.

Sorry O/T
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6680000/newsid_6681000/6681035.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&nol_storyid=6681035&bbcws=2

Thanks but unfortunately I cannot get that video to play on my computer. However, I do not see how Gerry's angry words and guilty reaction refusing to confirm or deny whether he knew Robert could possibly be manipulated? If he did not know him, then why not just say so!

viv wrote:This witness's evidence is that Jenny Murat knew full well when Maddie disappeared because she had already had a conversation with her acknowledging the sirens going around 10 on 3 May but she then sets up a stall stating that Maddie disappeared at 7 the following morning. To me that looks like she set out to deliberately misinform. It was reported at the time that she set up such a stall and that was a very peculiar thing to do. Do people have trouble accepting that maybe Robert was part of what to me was quite obviously a planned disappearance, even though just like the McCanns he is now a millionaire and was previously operating a no hoper business?

Do people not see that the police do things for a reason? They kept Murat an arguido alongside the McCanns for an awful long time!

Are there any statements that corroborate what this reporter says that Mrs Murat said to people when she was at her stall?

Jassi, I find that a rather odd suggestion. This is a witness who has given a statement to the police and the only way her evidence could be tested is in court. Are you suggesting she is just telling lies?

Jenny Murats behaviour is entirely consistent with her reputation for being a kind and anxious to help resident of a village where all the locals were mortified that a child had disappeared -it is perfectly natural that Robert MURAT
should offer his services as an experienced translator-a service he had provided for the authorities in the UK-the circumstances surrounding that offer made the following day are well documented by independant witness statements, the Murat property and all computer and telephone records were meticulously examined,both Jenny and Robert Murat co-operated totally with investigating officers and members of the local population including local police who knew Robert Murat said he wasnt at the scene on the night of 3rd May. Why ARE we suddenly revisiting the Murat question-is it to fit in with the hindsight get out clause because the escape window is too small and the mccanns now need two abductors working as a team? There is not a shred of evidence -not one iota -to connect any member of the Murat family with the disappearance of Madeleine-how desperate is the need to facilitate a remotely plausable abduction scenario?

woodward wrote:This statement was obviuosly given after lori campbell had whipped up the frenzy around Murat actively encouraged by clarrie (and later kate and gerry) I would imagine everyone who had contact with jenny or robert would feel they ought to give a statement. What it shows is that roberts mother was unfased by being visited by foreigners helping to look for the child and had nothing to hide-she said she heard the sirens around 10 pm and was having dinner with her son which turned out to be true-at the time this statement was made reports of tapasniks seeing robert the night before and his denial of same were already circulating-hence the reference to alibi -the reference to a leaflet saying the child had disappeared BY 7 00am on the 4th could have been jenny erring on the side of caution because no one had pin pointed the time of the alleged abduction when jenny produced the leaflets, the infamous time line hadnt reached the portuguese press by the morning of the 4th of may.


I am puzzled by your sudden decision to post this innocuous statement Laffin-could it be that you really are the fifth columnist that the pin-stickers insist you are?

It's the first time I've read it, have you seen itt before today ?

lnorton wrote:

Laffin Assasin wrote:

viv wrote:For that interesting statement, so Robert's mother set up a stall telling everyone Madeleine disappeared at 7 on the 4 May, rather odd /defensive disinformation by mummy there. We know the lengths mothers will go to, to protect their children. Rhys's killer's mother is currently doing time for trying to save her son by telling wicked lies and frustrating the police investigation.


Was it the brilliant Sandra Fileguiras again who said, and do you know Robert Murat, provoking that angry response from Gerry, I am not going to comment on that, prior to almost ripping Kate' arm from its socket, as he dragged her off. Robert flew back into Pt on 1 May if I recall from UK. On 2 May Gerry received a series of 14 text messages the contents of which he does not wish to reveal and saw fit to delete. Were they from Robert, who I just have to admit has always looked decidely shifty to me. Including when he sat there with that alert and earnest look on his face, completely silent as reporters interviewed, I think it was his mother and aunt. The of course he becomes a millionaire from this just like the McCanns, then he does a synchronised talk at Cambridge, at the same time as Clarence is at Oxford. Once he even said he had sympathy for the McCanns and Maddie still needs to be found, maybe he would know all about that?

Sandra Fileguiras is very much on the ball and I bet knows exactly what happened, how cute of her to ask Gerry such a pertinent question.

Have you seen the FULL video, not the edited one ?

No, LA, I haven't. Do you know where I can find it?

See lottle pixie's post, it may be on there.

Setting up a stall and putting up written notices giving the following morning 7 am as the time of Maddie's disappearance, this is seriously frustrating a serious police investigation and she had already been careful to point out to this witness on a prior meeting that when the sirens were going around 10 on 3 May Robert was having dinner with her. She sounds like a meddlesome and protective mother, seriously impeding a police investigation with her "stall" peddling misinformation! How could it be described as helpful to be telling people that Maddie disappeared several hours after she actually did, was that to avoid any witnesses coming forward that may implicate her own son? I think people continue to see only what they want to see.

She clarifies that when she saw the pictures at the information kiosk operated by Robert’s mother, she was certain that his mother was the same one she had met on the 4th.

She responds that when she read the notices, offered by Robert’s mother, she was taken aback by one sentence. That sentence read that the child had gone missing at 07H00 on the 4th of May. This information was supposedly proffered as a result of a telephone call she received. As a result, she set up the information kiosk.

sorry laffin -I now appear to be stalking you but when you start working as a tag team with a dyed in the wool abduction supporter my antennae starts to wiggle-please-no jokes-Robert Murat was a patsy his setting up failed because the police were meticulous -no barking dogs at casa lilliana and you know it-maybe your just bored but I am having no part of Robert Murat slandering-lilemore was banned for doing exactly that the other day -do the mccanns need Robert to be libelled to bring down this site ? carter -ruck would have a much easier time proving libel of Robert because he really has beencleared and there really is not a shred of evidence against him-its happening elsewhere too-I no longer trust you or your motivation LAFFIN - lets put eachother on ignore I will make a formal complaint about the two threads you have started regarding the clearly innocent robert murat

do the mccanns need Robert to be libelled to bring down this site

I fear your remarks including the above are quite paranoid. This is a witness statement from the process files, get a grip!

My take on this is, if the Mccanns wanted to clear them selves and set up anyone, then Robert was the answer to their prayers. Jane Tanner insisted that she saw him that night, he was made arquido. It seems that Amaral blew a hole in all this when he refused to go along with it all, and insisted in doing "police work" and find out the true evidence.
RM could have been Danielle Jones' uncle, he is serving time in jail in the U.K. for her murder, the body of the poor mite has never been found, he was convicted on DNA evidence/phone, surely Murat could have been patsied up in this kind of way, everyone hated him, the saintly Mcs were pointing their fingers at him from May4th, he is now the Colin Stagg of PDL, for ever associated with Madeleine Mccann, poor bastard.

viv wrote:Jassi, I find that a rather odd suggestion. This is a witness who has given a statement to the police and the only way her evidence could be tested is in court. Are you suggesting she is just telling lies?

No, of course not.
However, we only have to look at other witness statements to see a wide degree variation in their perceptions.