Case Files discussions

Has this been released before? It looks pretty damning> is this why they fled, do you think?

suzyone wrote:Has this been released before? It looks pretty damning> is this why they fled, do you think?

It's been in the files all along. And yes, quite damning.

Claudia79 wrote:

suzyone wrote:Has this been released before? It looks pretty damning> is this why they fled, do you think?

It's been in the files all along. And yes, quite damning.

Thanks for the correction Claudia79

I'll leave my OP with the error in, otherwise your correction in the following post won't make any sense.

This report, which I had not read in it's entirety before,thankyou for posting it, should be read by the masses, not just us relatively few folk on a forum. It should be front page on every UK newspaper, yet sadly for Madeleine it will not be.
What will be front page will be the continuing sycophantic drivel for Madeleine's neglecting parents, their neglecting friends, drivel that continues to feed the abduction theory.
That poor little girl.

justagrannynow wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:

suzyone wrote:Has this been released before? It looks pretty damning> is this why they fled, do you think?

It's been in the files all along. And yes, quite damning.

Thanks for the correction Claudia79

I'll leave my OP with the error in, otherwise your correction in the following post won't make any sense.

No problem, justagranny.

QOUTE//
This fact became inexplicable to the members of the investigation, given the fact that it was the members of the family themselves who raised the hypothesis little Maddie’s death.

Hmm, and yet CR are talking of issuing a libel writ to the MF for stating the same thing.

I had never seen the full report either. The conclusion is indeed very damning. I always thougt the report said 'possible homicide', nothing more.
This should indeed be brought in the open for everybody to read.

E) at this moment, there seem to be no strong indications that the child’s death was not the result of a tragic accident, yet;


YET !!!

c'mon now 'great' british press

print this on your front page

it is in the files

it is fact

you cannot be sued

imagine the circulation figures for this one

like hell they will bunch of cowards

I don't understand why, if this is the investigation conclusion, the McCanns weren't ordered back to Portuagal, and there is NO British media organisation willing to widely publish this result.

Tabs, I egree with you, they could write it, just coppy it like in the OP. Cannot be sued, it is a factual report. Will they. Like hell they won't. Now it must be asked "why" as if it is a report written and then copied the press are safe from the money grabbing clutches of the McCanns, or, is it classed as bad mouthing.
I am so damned angry after reading this report, but then, who am I, who are we, who was Madeleine?

littlepixie wrote:QOUTE//
This fact became inexplicable to the members of the investigation, given the fact that it was the members of the family themselves who raised the hypothesis little Maddie’s death.

Hmm, and yet CR are talking of issuing a libel writ to the MF for stating the same thing.

Hope Tony and Debie know about this document, imo this should show CR for what they are!!! :Binks:

Good find JaGN

jejune wrote:I don't understand why, if this is the investigation conclusion, the McCanns weren't ordered back to Portuagal, and there is NO British media organisation willing to widely publish this result.

I've never understood how they were ever allowed to leave.

BUT gerry said there was no mention in the files (the files that they spent £1000,s on ) that any harm had came to maddie and that they had no hand in the disapperance of maddie?..........surely he wasn,t lying?

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/09/they-might-as-well-pulp-this-one-too.html


This is process 201/07.0GALGS.

A collection of files from this process has been made public. They tell the official history of an investigation: the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine Beth McCann.

Madeleine was discovered missing at around 10 p.m. on the 3rd of May 2007, in Praia da Luz, Algarve, Portugal. The investigation that followed her disappearance went through several different phases, but what is most perceptive, to anyone who has had the opportunity to study the process files, is a profound split that occurred on the day that her parents, Drs Kate and Gerry McCann, were made arguidos under the terms of Portuguese law.

A book has been prohibited in Portugal this week. It has allegedly been censored because its author caused Madeleine, her parents and her siblings, deep distress, apart from damaging the search for the missing child. What apparently lies at the root of this distress and these damages, is the fact that the author states, in no uncertain terms, the following conclusions that he and an entire team of investigators at the Polícia Judiciária reached, after five months of intense investigation:



“1. The minor, Madeleine McCann, died inside apartment 5A of the Ocean Club, in Vila da Luz, on the evening/night of the 3rd of May, 2007;

2. An abduction was simulated;

3. Kate Healy and Gerald McCann are suspected of being involved in the concealment of their daughter’s cadaver;

4. Death may have resulted from a tragic accident;

5. There are indications of neglect in the guard and safety of their children.”

(in: Maddie – The Truth about the Lie, page 214)

The McCanns are distressed by these conclusions; it is only natural that they are, and nobody can dispute their right to feel that these are deeply unnerving conclusions, that would send any parent into a state of grave depression.

Nobody can dispute their right to oppose this kind of statement, either. And it would be irresponsible not to respect the decision of an illustrious judge at the Civil Court of Lisbon, who issued an injunction to prevent further publication and sales of the book, in Portugal, as well as the sale of the book’s editing rights anywhere in the world, among other restrictions.

One may not agree with the secretive manner in which the process was dealt with, or with the decision that was reached, but there are mechanisms at the disposal of the entities that suffered this injunction, and it is only up to them to make use of said mechanisms in an attempt to reverse the judge’s ruling.

But there is something else.

There is a process sitting in the archives of the Public Ministry at the court building, in Portimão.

A process that states, in no uncertain terms as well, that a homicide may have put an end to Madeleine’s existence, and that the likelihood of said homicide is high:

“Concerning the other indicated crimes [abduction, homicide, concealment of a cadaver], they are only that, and although the occurrence of a homicide cannot be discarded, due to its high degree of probability, it has to remain a supposition due to a lack of sustaining elements in the files.”

(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 4644)

The same process considers the possibility that Kate and Gerry McCann may have been involved in their daughter’s death (“Even though, by hypothesis, one might admit that Gerald and Kate McCann might be responsible for the child’s death (…)”), and it states that several witnesses have most probably lied in their statements, breaking the Portuguese Penal Process Code, under article 132, 1-d:

“Nevertheless, the process files also show that this vigilance [checks on the children], with the periodicity that is mentioned above, was not the one that is alleged in the files, and it remains unexplained why, that night, the checking procedure was altered in the sense of shortening the visit intervals.”

(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 4641)

“From the statements of the entire group [the McCann couple and their friends] results a complete incoherence, at the face of which it is easily verified that all of them lie.”

(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 2589)

But there are other statements inside this process that any sane person would consider even more distressing, especially when one takes into account what Madeleine’s parents have said, over and over again, live on tape. Here are two examples:

“Despite everything, until a certain moment in the investigation, the [McCann] family sustained and fed the abduction thesis. Nevertheless, at an uncertain date, the family suggested to consult a person that might, eventually, indicate the probable location of little Madeleine’s cadaver. This fact became inexplicable to the members of the investigation, given the fact that it was the family members themselves who raised the possibility of little Maddie’s death.”

(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 2594)

“More recently, before Kate McCann’s questioning [on the 6th/7th of September, 2007], in a telephone contact between Gerald McCann and the signatory [inspector Ricardo Paiva], he [Gerald McCann] mentioned, concerning the investigation, that he was certain that the Police didn’t have any evidence that might incriminate them in the death of Madeleine McCann and said that the police was wasting time by directing the investigation towards the parents.”

(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 2534)

It doesn’t really get any more explicit than this:


“From all that has been exposed, it results from the file that:

a) The minor Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, on the evening/night of the 3rd of May 2007;

b) an abduction was simulated;

c) in order to render the child’s death before 10 p.m. impossible, a situation of checking on the McCann couple’s children, while they slept, was made up;

d) Kate McCann and Gerald McCann are involved in the concealment of the cadaver of their daughter, Madeleine McCann;

e) at this moment in time, there seem to be no strong indications yet that the child’s death was not the result of a tragic accident;

f) from all that has been established up to this moment, everything indicates that the McCann couple, in auto defence, does not want to hand over the cadaver immediately and voluntarily, and that there is a strong possibility that it was moved from its initial location. This situation may raise questions concerning the circumstances under which the child’s death occurred.”


(in: Process 201/07.0GALGS, volume XVII, page 2601)

These are the conclusions that were reached by the team of investigators at the Polícia Judiciária, according to an intercalary report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida, on the 10th of September 2007.

It seems to me that there should have been another request for an injunction, with immediate effect. These conclusions have been distributed by the Public Ministry, on a DVD, and largely published in the Portuguese press, and discussed and commented upon by countless people. Anyone can still request a copy of the process, which contains these highly distressing allegations, at the Public Ministry’s services in Portimão.

I am certain that everyone will agree that they are at least as unnerving and depressing as those that were published by Gonçalo Amaral in his book.

But unfortunately, they cannot be dismissed as the deluded, offensive ramblings of a disgraced, disgruntled cop. They are part of the dossier, and they are not denied anywhere in the process.

Therefore, and until an injunction is issued against Process 201/07.0GALGS, prohibiting anyone from reproducing, commenting upon or discussing these conclusions, we will continue to speak freely about the Portuguese police’s suspicions concerning the Madeleine McCann investigation.

And we may as well start mentioning a homicide, as a likely hypothesis.

It’s in the files.





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WHY then are they being allowed to go onto tv and declare their uninvolvment? This UNBELIEVABLE! I don't understand why this piece of information has not found it's way into the PUBLIC domaine.

Was this also the FINAL statement before they were released from arguido status? What was the FINAL statement? Surely this cannot be it otherwise I simply cannot understand why these people were free to leave. I am shocked.

I'm absolutely compelled by the fact that these dogs went all the way round that village and only marked in the McCann's apartment.

Shocking.

If the case was shelved on this report well all I can say is the person who shelved it is either being paid ,blackmailed or is not right thinking ,whichever it is he should be investigated for the decision he made .
Does the system allow for an investigation of this sort to be done in Portugal ?????
After reading this report I would like to know how are the twins allowed to stay with the Mccanns .Those children ARE at risk ,this report needs sending to social services !!!Good heavens this report is so shocking !

enigma wrote:If the case was shelved on this report well all I can say is the person who shelved it is either being paid ,blackmailed or is not right thinking ,whichever it is he should be investigated for the decision he made .
Does the system allow for an investigation of this sort to be done in Portugal ?????
After reading this report I would like to know how are the twins allowed to stay with the Mccanns .Those children ARE at risk ,this report needs sending to social services !!!Good heavens this report is so shocking !

I agree enigma

It also needs some news editor with some balls to print it!
Serialised it'd would probably make a fortune for the paper and as it's the findings of the official investigation they should be safe from CR's grasp.
How can the McCanns sleep at night knowing they're using the money sent by school kids and pensioners to find Maddie,on bloody lawyers?

fishie wrote:

enigma wrote:If the case was shelved on this report well all I can say is the person who shelved it is either being paid ,blackmailed or is not right thinking ,whichever it is he should be investigated for the decision he made .
Does the system allow for an investigation of this sort to be done in Portugal ?????
After reading this report I would like to know how are the twins allowed to stay with the Mccanns .Those children ARE at risk ,this report needs sending to social services !!!Good heavens this report is so shocking !

I agree enigma

It also needs some news editor with some balls to print it!
Serialised it'd would probably make a fortune for the paper and as it's the findings of the official investigation they should be safe from CR's grasp.
How can the McCanns sleep at night knowing they're using the money sent by school kids and pensioners to find Maddie,on bloody lawyers?

You're so right enigma. I'm going to spend my Saturday emailing this to every new editor I can think of. Waste of time I know, but I can see her little face and .................well ?

I cannot understand how they can hold their heads up and lie when this information/conclusion is clearly in the files. This is UNACCEPTABLE! Where are the pro's to dispute these facts? NOWHERE TO BE SEEN

I do not understand all the indignation on this thread as though this report can be transformed into the facts, or indeed the suggestion it would seem that people have not seen this report before,

“Concerning the other indicated crimes [abduction, homicide, concealment of a cadaver], they are only that, and although the occurrence of a homicide cannot be discarded, due to its high degree of probability, it has to remain a supposition due to a lack of sustaining elements in the files.”

Exactly how does this state, as a fact, the McCanns are responsible for the death of Madeleine? These are working hypotheses, including, it will be seen, abduction! It has to remain a supposition due to a lack of sustaining elements in the files. That means it cannot be put any higher than than that due to a lack of evidence on the files to sustain that conclusion.

This is the careful analysis of one officer in the case, it is not the final analysis of senior prosecutors who analysed all the evidence. YOu cannot prosecute someone on the basis of a police officer's working hypotheses for the purposes of conducting a thorough investigation looking at all the possibilities as to how they got rid of Madeleine. It is not the job of the PJ to make conclusions on the evidence and decide on charges, I am sure Claudia will tell you that and indeed it is exactly the same in UK. Many police officers get frustrated, they think great I have got them, but when the Crown Prosecution Service have a look they are dismayed to be told, no, they would not secure a conviction, you need to get more evidence confirming precisely what they did with Madleine. Other than possibly Gerry being seen carting her off, there is no evidence of what they did with her. I thnk that was him, but I accept a court would say that as Mr Smith is the only person who says he thinks it was Gerry and he is only about 70 0r 80 (I cannot remember) per cent certain it was him, that would not be enough and he, Mr Smith believes Maddie was alive but deeply asleep, do you not see the problem? This would not provide a conviction for homicide or abduction.

Is the FINAL public prosecutor's evidence published and available somewhere? May I ask to be pointed in the right direction. Thank you.