What the papers say - Amaral V McCanns trial

Are there still Maddie threads ? thought they 'd stopped them ages ago ?

Lioned wrote:"The McCanns' lawyer told the court that the couple were prepared to give evidence but only after Mr Amaral had done so."

I'll wager 'they' wont say a word and another million squid will be heading for rothley.

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According to the Telegraph, neither the McCanns or Amaral are expected to have to testify.There's a sickeningly pro-McCann piece on Mail website...

Woops.Just found one so thought about time i had my say.Dont suppose it'll be there for long.

Roasted Arizona wrote:Can't read this - but from the headline and all the headlines in the news today, the McCann's have well and truly shot themselves in the foot.

I certainly hope so RA. News about the case does seem to be spreading through the Media.
I hope that if there is any justice left in this world, that Mr Amaral will win.

Thank you for posting this Annabel. I'm glad you're still here with us on MM xx

All my very best wishes to you both. From Rose xxx

Lioned wrote:Woops.Just found one so thought about time i had my say.Dont suppose it'll be there for long.

Just seen you!!

Must swat up on my spelling though if i'm gonna start posting on there again.

Lioned wrote:Must swat up on my spelling though if i'm gonna start posting on there again.

I replied to you. Off to bed, see you tomorrow

Im not so sure of Amaral winning this now as the dogs findings werent allowed as evidence to maddie being dead,
It still maddens me that the phone texts cant be used as evidence because im sure i heard or read before that the texts or calls confirm maddie is dead,
the good thing to come out of this though is that the mccs must be feeling well sick tonight after all the reporting which has gone on,more and more people will become aware that something isnt right and want to learn more.

Lioned wrote:Must swat up on my spelling though if i'm gonna start posting on there again.

I wouldnt worry about it no one else on there does

Dont suppose any of those threads will be there tomorrow and Maddie discussions will be banned again.

A bad day at the "office" for Clarence Mitchell PR VULTURE OF DEATH Out of the sadness comes a little ray of sunshine, or a rainbow.

lea wrote:Im not so sure of Amaral winning this now as the dogs findings werent allowed as evidence to maddie being dead,
It still maddens me that the phone texts cant be used as evidence because im sure i heard or read before that the texts or calls confirm maddie is dead,
the good thing to come out of this though is that the mccs must be feeling well sick tonight after all the reporting which has gone on,more and more people will become aware that something isnt right and want to learn more.

McCanns and a whole raft of their coverup pals will be feeling very sick, I suspect.

lea wrote:Im not so sure of Amaral winning this now as the dogs findings werent allowed as evidence to maddie being dead,
It still maddens me that the phone texts cant be used as evidence because im sure i heard or read before that the texts or calls confirm maddie is dead,
the good thing to come out of this though is that the mccs must be feeling well sick tonight after all the reporting which has gone on,more and more people will become aware that something isnt right and want to learn more.

I'm not sure the dogs findings weren't allowed as evidence. Duarte told the Judge they couldn't be used as evidence. We never heard what the Judge said on this. Then again Duarte also said the CD of the police files shouldn't be used as evidence but the Judge decided it could and requested it be sent for urgently.

Digital spy thread is on the go

Laffin Assasin wrote:

lea wrote:Im not so sure of Amaral winning this now as the dogs findings werent allowed as evidence to maddie being dead,
It still maddens me that the phone texts cant be used as evidence because im sure i heard or read before that the texts or calls confirm maddie is dead,
the good thing to come out of this though is that the mccs must be feeling well sick tonight after all the reporting which has gone on,more and more people will become aware that something isnt right and want to learn more.

McCanns and a whole raft of their coverup pals will be feeling very sick, I suspect.

Hi laffin,
i do now beleive there has been a coverup,not one of the english cops were there to support Amaral and it seems like they are gagged from speaking about the mccs,i also dont beleive the case is ongoing,i hope the case can be reopened though,cant wait to learn more tomorrow.

lea wrote:

Laffin Assasin wrote:

lea wrote:Im not so sure of Amaral winning this now as the dogs findings werent allowed as evidence to maddie being dead,
It still maddens me that the phone texts cant be used as evidence because im sure i heard or read before that the texts or calls confirm maddie is dead,
the good thing to come out of this though is that the mccs must be feeling well sick tonight after all the reporting which has gone on,more and more people will become aware that something isnt right and want to learn more.

McCanns and a whole raft of their coverup pals will be feeling very sick, I suspect.

Hi laffin,
i do now beleive there has been a coverup,not one of the english cops were there to support Amaral and it seems like they are gagged from speaking about the mccs,i also dont beleive the case is ongoing,i hope the case can be reopened though,cant wait to learn more tomorrow.

Do you want the names of the three main protaganists, in the cover up, GORDON BROWN, Jose Manuel Barrosa and Socrates, of that i have no doubt, and have said so, many many times.

tanszi wrote:well are any of us surprised. apart from brunty who is aware there is a live Sky blog running thoughout the day, no one is reporting anything that puts the McCs in an adverse position. The reporting in the UK is lighter than the snow flakes falling outside.

So is this verbal assault on O Sullivan recorded, can we hear it? eta imo

see my previous post on this thread !!

Laffin Assasin wrote:

lea wrote:

Laffin Assasin wrote:

lea wrote:Im not so sure of Amaral winning this now as the dogs findings werent allowed as evidence to maddie being dead,
It still maddens me that the phone texts cant be used as evidence because im sure i heard or read before that the texts or calls confirm maddie is dead,
the good thing to come out of this though is that the mccs must be feeling well sick tonight after all the reporting which has gone on,more and more people will become aware that something isnt right and want to learn more.

McCanns and a whole raft of their coverup pals will be feeling very sick, I suspect.

Hi laffin,
i do now beleive there has been a coverup,not one of the english cops were there to support Amaral and it seems like they are gagged from speaking about the mccs,i also dont beleive the case is ongoing,i hope the case can be reopened though,cant wait to learn more tomorrow.

Do you want the names of the three main protaganists, in the cover up, GORDON BROWN, Jose Manuel Barrosa and Socrates, of that i have no doubt, and have said so, many many times.

I wouldnt beleive it before but i now am convinced you may be right,
the mccs have been allowed to get away with too much and its as if they know they can get away with it with their arragance and cockiness,theyre shameless,

I've caught "Grave Robbers " out in the past, in my Diving days, an Ex-detective helped me, I supplied the info, ex CID under cover cop "Socialised" with culprits, got the waekest link drunk, bobs your Uncle.

chi chi chicken,SKY.

Laffin Assasin wrote:
McCanns and a whole raft of their coverup pals will be feeling very sick, I suspect.

Laffin,
Although I took a break from it today to follow the hearing, I have been re-reading hundreds of the old articles about Raymond Hewlett. It is entirely clear to me when reading them without distraction, that the McCanns and the whole raft of their cover-up pals were also involved in setting Hewlett up to take the blame as the "abductor".

I'm compiling these and sorting them into another one of my outlines, and hopefully someone else will also take an interest in this angle of the whole McCann charade.

It just screams out from the pages - the "plan" and the tactics going on behind the scenes. The unnamed "sources", the "friends close to the McCanns", the fact that the only reason Hewlett was ever looked at was because of what are IMO clearly LIES told by Peter Verran, former Scots Guard about Hewlett.

I mention this, not trying to ruin the thread, but because when the hearing is over, no matter the outcome of *that*, I think the next issue is going to be Hewlett (upon his inevitable death from throat cancer).

I think that if I can find others interested in helping me, FOIs are going to need to be written and folks are going to have to be held to account for their attempts to pervert the course of justice.

I think that Peter Verran (former Scots guard) will need to be questioned, (as well as the Thompsons) and their bank accounts looked at. And I also think Max McLean, the cop in charge of the Molseed investigation - the one who flew to Germany to interview Hewlett) will need to explain how it was that Hewlett was *cleared* of the Lesley Molseed murder based on a DNA comparison between him and the evidence FSS *claimed* to have taken from Molseed's clothing and yet they wanted (and got) a sample of his DNA while in Germany. Either they already had the DNA (so why did they request it again) or they DIDN'T have the DNA and the conviction of Ronald Castree is the SECOND miscarriage of justice in the Molseed case. (I know it is complicated, but I won't bore you with any more of it...)

I know this seems TOTALLY off topic, but it is hugely important in the McCann case. I'm working on making it easy for people to read all the articles in one place and if I am correct, the cover-up pals have a helluvalot more to worry about than simply what they have done in the McCann case. They need to worry about that, CERTAINLY, but I think when the house of cards falls, it is going to expose a whole lot more than what has happened in the last 3 years. (Sorry if this is a bit rant-ish, but I get worked up when I look closely at all of this.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html

Madeleine McCann's death 'covered up by parents who faked kidnap', court hears
Madeleine McCann died in an accident in her family's Algarve holiday apartment and her death was covered up by her parents who then concocted a tale of kidnap, a Portuguese court was told.


By Fiona Govan in Lisbon
Published: 10:30PM GMT 12 Jan 2010

Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, were in court to hear how the detectives leading the investigation into their daughter’s disappearance believed they had lied to hide the truth.

“She died in the apartment as a result of a tragic accident and the parents simulated an abduction after failing to care of their children,” Tavares de Almeida, former chief inspector at Portimao police station during the initial months of the investigation, told the court in Lisbon.

“These were the conclusions of a police report signed by me on September 10 2007,” he added.

The allegations against Kate and Gerry McCann, both 41, were presented in court on the first day of a hearing to challenge the publication of a book written by Algarve detective Goncalo Amaral.

Lawyers for the detective, who led the team that made the McCanns arguidos – suspects – in their daughter’s disappearance, called witnesses to support the claims outlined in his book. The McCanns arguido status was lifted after ten months in July 2008 when the Attorney General ruled there was no evidence against them.

The pair, from Rothley, Leics, came face to face with their detractor for the first time since they were officially made argiuidos in September 2007, four months after they daughter vanished days before her fourth birthday.

Mr Amaral, 50, led the initial investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3 2007 while her parents dined with friends at a tapas bar nearby. He was sacked from the case, which remains unsolved.

His book, entitled “The Truth of The Lie”, published in July 2008 claims that Madeleine died in the apartment and questions her parents’ account of events that evening.

It became a bestseller in Portugal selling more than 200,000 copies and went on to be published in six languages and made into a documentary film.

After a year long campaign the McCanns succeeded in getting a temporary injunction banning further sales and it was withdrawn from shelves last September. The couple believe that the book is damaging the search for their daughter by asserting that she is already dead and are suing for liable.

They are expected to ask a judge for around £1million in damages which they will use to pay for their own continuing hunt for their daughter, who they believe was kidnapped and could still be alive and being held somewhere.

Mr de Almeida told the court: “We have always spoken of a tragic accidental death – not homicide. The McCanns did not kill her but they concealed the body,”

Mr de Almeida, who worked under Amaral and was also taken off the case in September 2007, said the decision to designate the McCanns 'arguidos' was made by police after sniffer dogs brought to Portugal from England had carried out their searches.

Giving evidence, Mr de Almeida said that the dogs had identified blood and the scent of a human corpse inside the childrens’ bedroom and the dining room of the McCanns’ holiday flat.

The animals also reacted to traces on a piece of cloth in a villa rented by the McCanns after they left the apartment and in the boot of a rental car hired by the family several weeks after Madeleine disappeared.

Mr de Almeida also complained that Portuguese police efforts to investigate the McCanns had been frustrated by their British counterparts. “We were told that the UK would not accept any investigation of the McCanns – there was a lack of cooperation,” he said.

But later he said that the theory that the parents had covered up Madeleine’s death as outlined in Amaral’s book was one reached by British police on the ground in Portugal too.

“This wasn’t something invented by Amaral,” he insisted. “It was a conclusion reached by the team of Portuguese investigators as well as British police.”

Mrs McCann wearing a dark coloured floral dress sat impassively in the front row of the court room beside her husband. The pair held hands and exchanged occasional whispers and nods as they were passed notes by interpreters informing them of court proceedings, which were carried out in Portuguese.

Mr Amaral, dressed in a dark suit and purple tie, was seated at the bench beside his legal team, fifteen feet away from the couple. He spent much of the proceedings with his eyes closed avoiding the direct gaze of the McCanns.

Tuesday’s court hearing in the Portuguese capital was an opportunity by Mr Amaral to have the temporary injunction against publication of his book overturned. Neither he nor the McCanns will be called to give evidence in the hearing which is expected to last a minimum of three days.

A third witness said the turning point of the investigation came following a tearful call from Mrs McCann who, after a dream, told police where to search for her daughter’s body.

Police Inspector Ricardo Paiva, who acted as a liason between the McCanns and Portuguese police in the days following their daughter’s disappearance told the court he had received the phone call in late July 2007.

“Kate called me, she was alone as Gerry was away and she was crying,” he said. “She said she had dreamt that Madeleine was on a hill and that we should search for her there.

“She gave the impression that she thought she was dead – it was a turning point for us.”

The senior detective said the land was searched but nothing was found. “That is when we decided to send the specialist dogs in. British police informed us about how they could detect the scent of death.”

He admitted that the police had been suspicious of the McCanns from the start of the investigation. “They disobeyed our request to keep quiet about the details of their daughter’s disappearance while we conducted our investigation. Instead they turned it into a media circus and that gave rise to some suspicions.”

He said that the McCanns should have faced prosecution for leaving their children alone. “They should have been pursued for neglect. People have been arrested for far less – even in the UK.”

The case continues.

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A review of today,s Papers, The Sun, Mirror and Express on Breakfast T.V. shows huge headlines saying
Maddie is dead, not very good for the McCanns. One of the Papers says "Maddie is dead and you have lied "
as an outburst from Amaral.......I don"t remember that does anyone?

The worm has turned it seems.