Re: What the papers say - Amaral V McCanns trial

Bebootje Tue 12 Jan - 20:41

So now there is a spokeswoman now. Did they fire Clarrie?

**Badboy** Tue 12 Jan - 20:45

I wonder whose the spokeswoman is?
not lift consulting?

Guest Tue 12 Jan - 20:49

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23793813-mccanns-were-suspected-by-police.do

Portuguese police believed Madeleine McCann died in her family's holiday flat and that her parents faked her abduction, a court has heard.

Kate and Gerry McCann faced former detective Goncalo Amaral across a courtroom as he tried to overturn a ban on his book that claims their daughter is dead.

One senior detective told the hearing in Lisbon that police made the McCanns "arguidos", or suspects, in the case after concluding Madeleine died accidentally and her parents covered up the death by inventing a kidnapping.

Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida said he believed Madeleine died in her family's apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on the day she went missing in May 2007.

He told the court the main evidence for this was the findings of British police sniffer dogs sent to Portugal to examine the flat.

The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte, challenged this claim, arguing that the sniffer dog results did not constitute proof and were not allowed as evidence in the case.

Mr Amaral is calling a series of senior Portuguese officials involved in the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance as witnesses to support his allegations.

His lawyers argue that the material in his book is contained in the official Portuguese police files for the case, many of which were made public in August 2008.

Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses, the local public prosecutor in the Madeleine investigation, gave evidence via video link. Asked whether he believed that the little girl was dead, he said it was "50-50".

Mr Amaral's lawyers are also seeking evidence from a British policeman, Metropolitan Police Detective Sergeant Jose De Freitas, who was seconded to Leicestershire Police to help with the British end of the investigation.

**fred** Tue 12 Jan - 20:50

Unbiased reporting at last.

**Susan** Tue 12 Jan - 20:56

The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte, challenged this claim, arguing that the sniffer dog results did not constitute proof and were not allowed as evidence in the case.

I'm eager to see what proof they will show that Maddie is alive? Because if they have nothing then it shouldnt be allowed as evidence either right?

**Alpine Aster** Tue 12 Jan - 20:57

Thanks Laffin, at last what was said in Court Today is filtering out into the Britsih Media, something I am sure the dastardly duo did not want, they will rue the Day they went ahead with this Libel Case.
Whatever the outcome they have lost.

**malena stool** Tue 12 Jan - 21:01

Will the McCanns be suing The London Standard next?

**Alfiefinn** Tue 12 Jan - 21:02

The Sun. A paper full of pictures of tits, written by tits and read by tits. So there.

**Alfiefinn** Tue 12 Jan - 21:09

malena, only if there's a 99.99% chance that they'd settle out of court, I fancy. What the papers say - Amaral V McCanns trial - Page 5 25346

Guest Tue 12 Jan - 21:13

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/england/realmedia/eastmidlandstoday/eastmidlandstoday?size=16x9&bgc=C0C0C0&nbram=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&bbwm=1

Amaral "incident" and Grenville Green feature.

O'sullivan makes a mountain out of a mole hill, IMHO, reporters get cussed at all the time, I should expect. Isn't O'sullivan there to report on what happens in the Court ?

Guest Tue 12 Jan - 21:22

vengefulangel wrote:"Mr Menezes said he thought the probability of Madeleine being alive was 50/50"

I was hopping mad when I read that, when I calmed down I got a different perspective on it. I am assuming that he had to say that because the Mccanns did not go ahead with the reconstruction, which would have cleared them of any involvement. Therefore the indications are that they know poor Maddie is deceased but cannot say to a court of law that there is 100% certainty until the mccanns do the reconstruction (which they havent yet done!!!!)

Incidentally does anyone know who said they were ok not to do the reconstruction...someone by the name of Prior? I dont remember hearing or reading anything along those lines before. How very pitiful that the mccanns never did a reconstruction, when we all know how great crimewatch is with its reconstructions and crime solving, because someone said "oh dont bother it probably wont help anyway!!!".

See this https://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/main-maddie-thread-latest-news-f1/belgian-paper-t7190.htm

Just seen on another forum

A Belgian newspaper has reported that

"Menezes said that chances Madeleine was still alive INITIALLY were estimated to be 50/50"

**Annabel** Tue 12 Jan - 21:35

'Madeleine McCann stierf in vakantiewoning'
Geplaatst op dinsdag 12 januari 2010 om 21:49

LONDEN (ANP) - De verdwenen Britse peuter Madeleine McCann is al in de vakantiewoning van haar ouders in het Portugese Praia da Luz in mei 2007 om het leven gekomen. Dat beweert althans de oorspronkelijke onderzoeksrechter in de zaak, Jose Magalhaes e Menezes. Dat zou in een rapport staan dat is ondertekend door de toenmalige hoofdinspecteur van de politie, Tavares de Almeide, meldden Britse media dinsdag.

Dat bleek dinsdag in Lissabon tijdens verklaringen in de eerste dag van het proces van de McCanns tegen rechercheur Goncarlo Amaral in Portugal. Amaral schreef het boek 'A verdade da mentira' oftewel 'De waarheid over de leugen', waarin hij beweert dat het meisje dood is en dat haar ouders haar lichaam ergens hebben verborgen.

Amaral leidde tot oktober 2007 het onderzoek naar de geruchtmakende zaak, die op 3 mei 2007 begon door de verdwijning van het toen 3-jarige meisje. Amaral werd van de zaak gehaald na zijn kritiek op de Britse politie in de media. De ouders van 'Maddie' eisen 1,2 miljoen euro schadevergoeding en willen dat het boek definiteif wordt verboden. Het proces zal vermoedelijk drie of vier dagen duren.

In september vorig jaar oordeelde de rechtbank al dat het boek uit de handel moest worden genomen en dat Amaral zijn beschuldigingen niet in de openbaarheid mocht herhalen.

Google translate

The missing British toddler Madeleine McCann has been killed in the apartment of her parents in Praia da Luz in Portugal in May 2007. Claims that at least the original investigating judge in the case, Jose Magalhaes e Menezes. This would assist in a report signed by the then Superintendent of Police, the Almeide Tavares, British media reported Tuesday.

That was Tuesday in Lisbon during the first days of statements in the trial against the McCanns in Portugal detective Goncarlo Amaral. Amaral wrote the book "A verdade da mentira 'or' The truth about the lie", which he claims that the girl is dead and her parents have hidden her body somewhere.

Amaral led the investigation in October 2007 to the notorious case, which began on May 3, 2007 by the disappearance of the then 3-year-old girl. Amaral was removed from the case following his criticism of the British police in the media. The parents 'Maddie' demands 1.2 million euros damages and want the book definiteif is prohibited. The process will probably take three or four days.

**Lilemor** Tue 12 Jan - 21:35

http://tv1.rtp.pt/noticias/?t=Reiterada ... 10018&tm=8

Reiterada tese de que Maddie McCann morreu
Os ex-inspectores envolvidos na investigação de Madeleine McCann confirmaram em tribunal estarem convictos que a criança morreu e que o casal ocultou o cadáver. O próprio director-nacional adjunto da Policia Judiciaria garantiu que a mãe assumiu, ela própria, que a filha tivesse morrido. Foi a primeira sessão do julgamento da providencia cautelar que proibiu o livro do ex-inspector Gonçalo Amaral.

Repeated claim that Maddie McCann died
The former investigators involved in the investigation of Madeleine McCann have confirmed their conviction in court that the child died and the couple hid the corpse. Even the deputy national director of the Judiciary Police has ensured that the mother took itself that the daughter had died.
It was the first session of the trial of the injunction that banned the book from ex-inspector Gonçalo Amaral.

Oh Madeleine... poor little girl... What the papers say - Amaral V McCanns trial - Page 5 389741

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**malena stool** Tue 12 Jan - 21:38

Alfiefinn wrote:malena, only if there's a 99.99% chance that they'd settle out of court, I fancy.

Hopefully there's a slim chance of that happening Alfie, perhaps the media are sensing that two and a half years of lies and cover up just might be coming to an end.
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Roasted Arizona Tue 12 Jan - 21:39

Can't read this - but from the headline and all the headlines in the news today, the McCann's have well and truly shot themselves in the foot.

**Alfiefinn** Tue 12 Jan - 21:39

Ah, lets hope, eh! What the papers say - Amaral V McCanns trial - Page 5 849426

**malena stool** Tue 12 Jan - 21:42

And pray

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**FSoares** Tue 12 Jan - 22:39

eddie wrote:Let's hope he didn't swear like that as he has already allegedly 'dozed off' in court and tbh he is making the Mc's look better than him at the moment.

Swearing outside to a reporter has zero value in this case. As long as it is not inside, he can swear whatever he wants, because it has no effect in the final result. Dozing off is also normal sometimes, in Courts. In this case, there's just one Judge, but in Criminal cases, with three judges, it wouldn't be the first time, that one of the side-judges start to doze off. It just means the session is being boring. From my personal interpretation, if Amaral dozed off, that's because nothing that was being said was making him nervous, which is (for now and apparently) a positive sign.

**fedrules** Tue 12 Jan - 22:54

I agree that I'm sure most BBC viewers would be far more interested to hear that Madeleine 'died in the flat' than to listen to the dull lunch box story.However, I suppose the Beeb's report on their webpage is impartial.
Not surprised Amaral lost his rag with O'Sullivan. The McCanns are trying to ruin him..

**tanszi** Tue 12 Jan - 22:56

well are any of us surprised. apart from brunty who is aware there is a live Sky blog running thoughout the day, no one is reporting anything that puts the McCs in an adverse position. The reporting in the UK is lighter than the snow flakes falling outside.

So is this verbal assault on O Sullivan recorded, can we hear it? eta imo

**fedrules** Tue 12 Jan - 23:00

Ambersuz wrote:
The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte, challenged this claim, arguing that the sniffer dog results did not constitute proof and were not allowed as evidence in the case.

I'm eager to see what proof they will show that Maddie is alive? Because if they have nothing then it shouldnt be allowed as evidence either right?

'
Yes, it's odd how the sightings all over the globe of Maddie by deluded nutters (IMO!) constitute evidence Maddie is alive and yet two highly trained and objective sniffer dogs detect substances they are trained to find and that is not evidence..

Guest Tue 12 Jan - 23:09

10:53pm UK, Tuesday January 12, 2010

Jon di Paolo, in Lisbon

The parents of Madeleine McCann are preparing to face a second day in court listening to claims that they covered up their daughter's death.

During the three-day libel trial in Lisbon, Goncalo Amaral is trying to overturn a ban on a book he wrote following his time as a chief investigator into the child's disappearance.

In his book Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie, Mr Amaral claimed that Madeleine McCann died in her family's holiday flat on the night she vanished and questioned her parents' account that she was abducted.

The McCanns have always strenuously denied the allegations and say they will never give up searching for their daughter.

They believe she was snatched from their holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007.

The pair were declared "arguidos", or formal suspects, in October that year, but the status was lifted when the case was shelved the following summer.

They are seeking to have a ban on the book made permanent, fearing that telling people Madeleine is dead will stop them looking for her.

The couple, both 41 and from Rothley, Leicestershire, are also seeking £1m damages in a separate hearing.

On the first day of the trial, Mr Amaral's legal team called several of his former colleagues in the area of law enforcement to give evidence in support of his claim.

They contend that the allegations in the book match the facts of the investigation, highlighting the reaction of British sniffer dogs who were used to search the apartment.

One of the witnesses called was Tavares de Almeida, chief of police at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

He said in his testimony that the animals detected traces of blood inside the dining room of the holiday flat and in the car the McCanns were using.

Madeleine McCann

Madeleine McCann

He added that they found a scent on a piece of cloth in a flat rented by the McCanns after they left the apartment where Madeleine vanished.

The McCanns' lawyer, Isabel Duarte, challenged the claim, arguing that the sniffer dog results did not constitute proof and were not allowed as evidence in the case.

At several points during the hearing she became very animated, leaving her chair to confront Mr Almeida and the video screen via which Jose Magalhaes e Menezes, the local public prosecutor in the Madeleine investigation, gave evidence.

The McCanns remained impassive throughout most of the hearing, only occasionally turning to each other or their interpreters for a few whispered words.

Mr Amaral, sitting next to his legal team only 15ft away, also showed little emotion, sitting looking straight ahead rather than at the McCanns' seats.

Former Madeleine case detective Goncalo Amaral

Goncalo Amaral

Mr Menezes said he thought it was 50/50 as to whether Madeleine was still alive.

Mr de Almeida and another witness, Ricardo Paiva, the police liaison officer initially detailed to look after the McCanns, both said that although British police on the ground gave maximum co-operation, other UK authorities appeared to hinder the investigation.

Mr de Almedia said Portuguese police requested background information about Mr and Mrs McCann and the friends on holiday with them at the time the little girl disappeared - only to be fobbed off with enough to cover a single sheet of A4 paper.

Mr Paiva said the enormous publicity generated by the appeal to find Madeleine, and the 'merchandising' of things such as wristbands, was what had made police start to feel suspicious of the McCanns.

The trial continues.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Madeleine-McCann-Kate-And-Gerry-Goncalo-Amaral-Lisbon-Libel-Case-Enters-Second-Day/Article/201001215520367?f=rss

**Lioned** Tue 12 Jan - 23:18

"The McCanns' lawyer told the court that the couple were prepared to give evidence but only after Mr Amaral had done so."

I'll wager 'they' wont say a word and another million squid will be heading for rothley.

**MaryB** Tue 12 Jan - 23:27

If they don't get their million. what will it be. Big brother house, i'm a celebrity, dancing on ice. Has Amaral got £1m to give them.

Guest Tue 12 Jan - 23:30

http://blogs.news.sky.com/discussions/show.html?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a746f9309-1bb1-4b07-ad11-647f5ba16800Forum%3a4f983a80-46e8-465c-b60f-8620b0a3ca02Discussion%3aae2cebcf-f985-4f8d-99f9-19c6e37ca0d5&plckCategoryCurrentPage=0&sid=sl.sky.com#746f9309-1bb1-4b07-ad11-647f5ba16800

They say it's for repairs but....??? Maybe they don't want any discuccion on the McCanns. I wonder if the Maddie threads will disappear?

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What the papers say - Amaral V McCanns trial