Always the family

So, Mick philpott and wife now arrested , not charged, on suspicion of murdering their six kids in that house fire....sad sad sad

i saw this and its shocking in jail if they did it they will get beaten to death imo

I'm wondering if they've been arrested because they perhaps weren't in the house when the fire was started? I think I read a report suggesting that they were sleeping in the caravan outside, so perhaps they've been arrested on suspicion of negligence, not that they started the fire themselves? The alternative, ie. that he/she/they deliberately set fire to the house is, well.... unthinkable.

This is just too terrible to even begin to imagine. If true, it begs the question as to why people refuse to consider the possibility that Madeleine McCann was not abducted. That is what I cannot understand. People hurt their children every single day, what is now being suggested happened with these six children is so far off the radar in peoples minds, yet there would appear to be a real possibility it might have happened, in the minds of the police at any rate. Yet the amount of people refusing to wonder about Madeleine is astounding, and the attitude of SY even more so.

Wintabells wrote:I'm wondering if they've been arrested because they perhaps weren't in the house when the fire was started? I think I read a report suggesting that they were sleeping in the caravan outside, so perhaps they've been arrested on suspicion of negligence, not that they started the fire themselves? The alternative, ie. that he/she/they deliberately set fire to the house is, well.... unthinkable.

They've been arrested on suspicion of murder, Wintabells.

Petrol was put through the door, wasn't it.

kitti wrote:Petrol was put through the door, wasn't it.

Thats what the police said, yes, kitti.

I have just seen this on the news and am very shocked. I know that they had asked for a bigger home but cant imagine them taking a risk with the kids in the house. Shocking!!!

I remember about them asking for a bigger house..and being turned down for it, but like you Welshy, I can't imagine them taking a risk with the kids in the house, as they truly seemed to love those kids dearly, but perhaps they were just unaware how quickly smoke inhalation can kill, particularly young children and that a house blaze can very quickly get totally out of control (another point I have always made about the Mc's leaving the kids in the apartment, it could very easily have been all three of them gone!)

Very sad though...poor kids

susible wrote:I remember about them asking for a bigger house..and being turned down for it, but like you Welshy, I can't imagine them taking a risk with the kids in the house, as they truly seemed to love those kids dearly, but perhaps they were just unaware how quickly smoke inhalation can kill, particularly young children and that a house blaze can very quickly get totally out of control (another point I have always made about the Mc's leaving the kids in the apartment, it could very easily have been all three of them gone!)

Very sad though...poor kids

a few years ag omy sister was going away and was rushing to get to her flight she put a crumpet on our over grill for breakfast and forgot about it went out the door and me and my younger brother were sleeping anyway our smoke alarms didnt go off and i woke uo to our whole house ful lof plastic smoke from the gril part of the oven plastic melting and smoke coming under my door if the smell of the smoke had not woke me up then the kitchen and house would have caught fire and me and my brother would have died it was the most scary moment of my life i cant imagine what the kids went though

Justiceforallkids wrote:

susible wrote:I remember about them asking for a bigger house..and being turned down for it, but like you Welshy, I can't imagine them taking a risk with the kids in the house, as they truly seemed to love those kids dearly, but perhaps they were just unaware how quickly smoke inhalation can kill, particularly young children and that a house blaze can very quickly get totally out of control (another point I have always made about the Mc's leaving the kids in the apartment, it could very easily have been all three of them gone!)

Very sad though...poor kids

a few years agomy sister was going away and wa rushing to get to her flight she put a crumpet on our over grill and forgot about ti went out the door and me and my younger brother were sleeping anyway our smoke alarms didnt go off and i woke uo to our whole house fullof plastic smoke from the gril part of the oven plastic melting and smoke coming under my door if the smoke ahd not woke me up then the kitchen and house would have caught fire and me and my brother would have died

Yes, the McCanns felt that it was so safe there in Praia da Luz. No one had told those two doctors, apparently, that children can choke and die very quickly, or that they could be at serious risk should a fire break out. Fancy that!

Well if the Philpotts are behind this, even if it was a case of them not being in the house, then we'll have to see how the public react or whether it will be deemed by the majority that "they've sufferered enough" Somehow don't think so...

AnnaEsse wrote:

Justiceforallkids wrote:

susible wrote:I remember about them asking for a bigger house..and being turned down for it, but like you Welshy, I can't imagine them taking a risk with the kids in the house, as they truly seemed to love those kids dearly, but perhaps they were just unaware how quickly smoke inhalation can kill, particularly young children and that a house blaze can very quickly get totally out of control (another point I have always made about the Mc's leaving the kids in the apartment, it could very easily have been all three of them gone!)

Very sad though...poor kids

a few years agomy sister was going away and wa rushing to get to her flight she put a crumpet on our over grill and forgot about ti went out the door and me and my younger brother were sleeping anyway our smoke alarms didnt go off and i woke uo to our whole house fullof plastic smoke from the gril part of the oven plastic melting and smoke coming under my door if the smoke ahd not woke me up then the kitchen and house would have caught fire and me and my brother would have died

Yes, the McCanns felt that it was so safe there in Praia da Luz. No one had told those two doctors, apparently, that children can choke and die very quickly, or that they could be at serious risk should a fire break out. Fancy that!

the thing is too in a fire its not usally burns that kill its the smoke when you are in a deep sleep you may not wake up i hope those kids were asleep and just didnt wake up

AnnaEsse wrote:

Justiceforallkids wrote:

susible wrote:I remember about them asking for a bigger house..and being turned down for it, but like you Welshy, I can't imagine them taking a risk with the kids in the house, as they truly seemed to love those kids dearly, but perhaps they were just unaware how quickly smoke inhalation can kill, particularly young children and that a house blaze can very quickly get totally out of control (another point I have always made about the Mc's leaving the kids in the apartment, it could very easily have been all three of them gone!)

Very sad though...poor kids

a few years agomy sister was going away and wa rushing to get to her flight she put a crumpet on our over grill and forgot about ti went out the door and me and my younger brother were sleeping anyway our smoke alarms didnt go off and i woke uo to our whole house fullof plastic smoke from the gril part of the oven plastic melting and smoke coming under my door if the smoke ahd not woke me up then the kitchen and house would have caught fire and me and my brother would have died

Yes, the McCanns felt that it was so safe there in Praia da Luz. No one had told those two doctors, apparently, that children can choke and die very quickly, or that they could be at serious risk should a fire break out. Fancy that!

I don't believe for one minute the McCanns thought it was safe to leave their children unsuperised when they went out, because as doctors, they would have known the perils of leaving young children unsupervised for any lenth of time. When they were newly qualified medics, they would have worked in a teaching hospital. It's highly likely, that they would either have come across, or heard about children who had been harmed or even killed, because their parents or guardians, had left them unsupervised, when they went out for any length of time.

However one doesn't have to be a doctor to know that a child can become ill or have an accident, when they are left alone for any length of time, especially when they are toddlers. You only need to take your eye off them for a minute and they can have an accident.

If the McCanns left their children unsupervised, when they went out to dine, they made a conscious decision to leave them unsupervised. If the McCanns were speaking the truth, when they said Madeleine told them she and Sean cried, the night before she disappeared, they still went out that night and left them unsupervised.

The McCann had said on previous nights, their checks were every 30 minutes, which was unacceptable. However on the night Madeleine disappeared, each of the McCanns made one check, Gerry's was at 21:05 and Kate's was at 22:00hrs. If they were speaking the truth their checks were 55 minutes apart, this is absolutely appalling. Of the ones who were supposedly checking the McCanns children, in between the McCanns checks, one said they listened at the window and another said he didn't go into the childrens bedroom, but he saw the twins.

How ironic that Madeleine should vanish on the evening after the morning she had told her parents, what happened the previous evening. Always assuming the McCanns were speaking the truth.

hang on if he didnt go in the kids room how did he see the twins???

mossman wrote:This is just too terrible to even begin to imagine. If true, it begs the question as to why people refuse to consider the possibility that Madeleine McCann was not abducted. That is what I cannot understand. People hurt their children every single day, what is now being suggested happened with these six children is so far off the radar in peoples minds, yet there would appear to be a real possibility it might have happened, in the minds of the police at any rate. Yet the amount of people refusing to wonder about Madeleine is astounding, and the attitude of SY even more so.

I've just read this news and sad and terrible as it sounds I agree with "mossman". "...the amount of people refusing to wonder about Madeleine is astounding...." Horrible as it sounds people DO harm their children and the authorities are well aware of that fact.

Justiceforallkids wrote:hang on if he didnt go in the kids room how did he see the twins???

That's what I thought, because from what I've seen of the photographs, you would have to go into the children's room to see the twins.

However there is another twist to the story of the checks, because the mother of one of the Tapas group, Diane Webster, is alleged to have told the police, that each couple was responsible for checking their own children. You can read more on this article in the files.

wjk wrote:

Wintabells wrote:I'm wondering if they've been arrested because they perhaps weren't in the house when the fire was started? I think I read a report suggesting that they were sleeping in the caravan outside, so perhaps they've been arrested on suspicion of negligence, not that they started the fire themselves? The alternative, ie. that he/she/they deliberately set fire to the house is, well.... unthinkable.

They've been arrested on suspicion of murder, Wintabells.

Ah. Ok. Thanks, wjk.

Sad to say but I'm not surprised by this news. When I saw their televised appeal they just seemed fake to me. There were no real tears and they appeared to be trying to hide the fact by hiding their faces with their hands. Their voices lacked any genuine emotion too. Reminded me of Kate's 'please don't scare her' appeal.

fedrules wrote:Sad to say but I'm not surprised by this news. When I saw their televised appeal they just seemed fake to me. There were no real tears and they appeared to be trying to hide the fact by hiding their faces with their hands. Their voices lacked any genuine emotion too. Reminded me of Kate's 'please don't scare her' appeal.

Yes, I noticed the dry crying and wiping away of non existent tears - straight from the McCann school of method acting.

I noticed the dry tears too......especially the mother, but, I didn't want to say anything at the time, she maybe had no real tears left to cry, iykwim, I didn't want to start pointing the finger, people can grieve without shedding a single tear, not me, I cry at the most ridiculous things, but, there are people who cannot cry.

So unbelievably sad to think they are responsible for this, I sincerely hope it's not true! One thing is for certain, they will not get government assistance, regardless of who is responsible.

fedrules wrote:Sad to say but I'm not surprised by this news. When I saw their televised appeal they just seemed fake to me. There were no real tears and they appeared to be trying to hide the fact by hiding their faces with their hands. Their voices lacked any genuine emotion too. Reminded me of Kate's 'please don't scare her' appeal.

Also reminded me of the special performance for the police on 3/5 when they knelt down at the foot of the bed and 'made noises like crying' lying with their heads and arms on the bed. 'there were no tears' the police said.

What convinced me with these other two is that they launched straight into the terrible grief routine on the table. Had he tried to say something and then found he couldn't or if someone had asked a question - no this was total fake. I'm getting the same contempt for the public from this as well. Certainly from him.

tigger wrote:

fedrules wrote:Sad to say but I'm not surprised by this news. When I saw their televised appeal they just seemed fake to me. There were no real tears and they appeared to be trying to hide the fact by hiding their faces with their hands. Their voices lacked any genuine emotion too. Reminded me of Kate's 'please don't scare her' appeal.

Also reminded me of the special performance for the police on 3/5 when they knelt down at the foot of the bed and 'made noises like crying' lying with their heads and arms on the bed. 'there were no tears' the police said.

What convinced me with these other two is that they launched straight into the terrible grief routine on the table. Had he tried to say something and then found he couldn't or if someone had asked a question - no this was total fake. I'm getting the same contempt for the public from this as well. Certainly from him.

They both doubled over as soon as they sat down at the table, as if on cue. Just like the McCanns by that bed, wailing but no tears.

fedrules wrote:Sad to say but I'm not surprised by this news. When I saw their televised appeal they just seemed fake to me. There were no real tears and they appeared to be trying to hide the fact by hiding their faces with their hands. Their voices lacked any genuine emotion too. Reminded me of Kate's 'please don't scare her' appeal.

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That's exactly what I thought - no tears just crying noises. And Mr Philpott was saying 'it's not just us it's the emergency services as well' which I thought was a very odd thing to say.

Ang wrote:

fedrules wrote:Sad to say but I'm not surprised by this news. When I saw their televised appeal they just seemed fake to me. There were no real tears and they appeared to be trying to hide the fact by hiding their faces with their hands. Their voices lacked any genuine emotion too. Reminded me of Kate's 'please don't scare her' appeal.

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That's exactly what I thought - no tears just crying noises. And Mr Philpott was saying 'it's not just us it's the emergency services as well' which I thought was a very odd thing to say.

Ang, I did a double take too when he said that! It was one of those creepy Kate and Gerry McCann deja vu moments.