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Post  Panda on Mon 10 Dec - 0:01

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The McCanns’ moral vacuousness and single-minded obsession to resurrect their daughter Madeleine appears in their willingness to turn her into an object for capitalist exploitation. Their absent child is recreated only to become a wristband, t-shirt, holiday pack, car sticker, luggage tag, wallet card and more recently, best selling book all on sale to the gullible of the world.






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Post  Keela on Mon 10 Dec - 13:23

They like the phrase "our online store" don't they?

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Post  fred on Mon 10 Dec - 13:41

Surely if anyone sells or advertises merchandise, then it would help in the 'search for Madeleine?

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Post  Panda on Mon 10 Dec - 13:42

Keela wrote:They like the phrase "our online store" don't they?

Hi Keela.......do they really expect to sell lots of the progressive picture of Madeleine??????? Will this be the photo appeating on Kate's next Book?--------Nah, not so attractive .

The accounts to 31/3/2011 are due soon , they must be filed by 31/12/12......let's just see how much income from the sale of the first Book is introduced. I think over 2,000,000 copies were sold so even if the Royalty is 5p. it is still a lot of money.

I bet their Mortgage is paid off, money in an offshore account and still they ask people to buy merchandise.

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Post  tigger on Mon 10 Dec - 14:19

If the age advanced photograph - in theory the most important item to find Madeleine of all their merchandise - may not be used unless it is purchased from their online shop, how is that going to help the search?

Surely the Fund could pay the copyright on the photograph and make it freely available on the internet, to be copied by whoever wants to. In fact why don't they have a download picture on their website, high definition and free to publish for anyone.
Much better than the mimsy labels imo. Who takes the trouble to read luggage labels?

The McCanns believers and the good people who still believe the story would no doubt stick posters in their window for Christmas, put posters in village halls and shops - all for free Team McCann!

Except they'll be losing out on the income. I'd quite like to know which photographs are under copyright still, the tennis photo, the pool photo etc? When did the copyright on photographs of Madeleine come into force? My guess is pretty early, going by the trademark registration, the Ltd. Company and the marketing.

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Post  jd16 on Mon 10 Dec - 14:35

Words just fail me. I read this disclaimer and have to keep reminding myself that this is for a missing child

"our age progression image is copyrighted to Teri Blythe and cannot be used without written permission from her"...This is just simply astonishing, and it is indirectly saying that if you wanted to help find this missing child you could be sued for putting up this picture of her...absolutely incredible

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Post  jd16 on Mon 10 Dec - 14:40

Panda wrote:
I bet their Mortgage is paid off.....

Maybe they need to pay for another mortgage for separate houses Why should they pay for it when the public can like they did the last one

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Post  Panda on Mon 10 Dec - 14:51

tigger wrote:If the age advanced photograph - in theory the most important item to find Madeleine of all their merchandise - may not be used unless it is purchased from their online shop, how is that going to help the search?

Surely the Fund could pay the copyright on the photograph and make it freely available on the internet, to be copied by whoever wants to. In fact why don't they have a download picture on their website, high definition and free to publish for anyone.
Much better than the mimsy labels imo. Who takes the trouble to read luggage labels?

The McCanns believers and the good people who still believe the story would no doubt stick posters in their window for Christmas, put posters in village halls and shops - all for free Team McCann!

Except they'll be losing out on the income. I'd quite like to know which photographs are under copyright still, the tennis photo, the pool photo etc? When did the copyright on photographs of Madeleine come into force? My guess is pretty early, going by the trademark registration, the Ltd. Company and the marketing.

Hi tigger, they havn't said they bought the copyright so they have no say in who buys the photo. To have it billed as Merchandise suggests they bought a quantity at a discount to sell .Therefore, if you buy direct from Teri they lose out.

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Post  T4two on Mon 10 Dec - 15:19

jd16 wrote:Words just fail me. I read this disclaimer and have to keep reminding myself that this is for a missing child

"our age progression image is copyrighted to Teri Blythe and cannot be used without written permission from her"...This is just simply astonishing, and it is indirectly saying that if you wanted to help find this missing child you could be sued for putting up this picture of her...absolutely incredible

Nail on the head jd - copywrighting pictures of the missing infant effectively limits their proliferation and is thereby counterproductive to the search purported to have been ongoing for the past 5 years. My own logical conclusion: There is, never has been and never will be, a search for Madeleine McCann funded by her parents and wider family through use of the fund and proceeds of the website or book sales, because the parents and wider family know what happened to Madeleine McCann and that a search would be pointless.

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Post  Panda on Mon 10 Dec - 15:31

I might be wrong but I thought it was only Madeleine's Colobama that was copyrighted .....which since it would appear in every photo of her was a clever ploy. This was never a grieving couple searching for their missing Daughter, it was a coldblooded attempt to make money. The incorporation of the Company on 15th May tells us that, how did they know Madeleine would not be found in the interim.?

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Post  T4two on Mon 10 Dec - 16:33

I think you'll find that the iconic right eye 'coloboma' pic used originally to capture hearts and minds was copyrighted within two weeks of the disappearance? Enforcing copyright on other pics seems to be very much at the discretion of the lawyers i.e. if your name is Tony Bennett, you aren't allowed to use anything. Very strange behaviour IMO.

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Post  Panda on Mon 10 Dec - 16:41

T4two wrote:I think you'll find that the iconic right eye 'coloboma' pic used originally to capture hearts and minds was copyrighted within two weeks of the disappearance? Enforcing copyright on other pics seems to be very much at the discretion of the lawyers i.e. if your name is Tony Bennett, you aren't allowed to use anything. Very strange behaviour IMO.

Hi T4two, but wasn't that very crafty of copyrighting Madeleine's Colobama....how could you photograph her face without it? Who would want to just photograph her colobama?

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Post  T4two on Mon 10 Dec - 16:57

Panda wrote:
T4two wrote:I think you'll find that the iconic right eye 'coloboma' pic used originally to capture hearts and minds was copyrighted within two weeks of the disappearance? Enforcing copyright on other pics seems to be very much at the discretion of the lawyers i.e. if your name is Tony Bennett, you aren't allowed to use anything. Very strange behaviour IMO.

Hi T4two, but wasn't that very crafty of copyrighting Madeleine's Colobama....how could you photograph her face without it? Who would want to just photograph her colobama?

They were using the 'coloboma' (it was never actually described as such) as a trademark e.g. the LOOK campaign. It was such a great marketing ploy, remember? There was also talk of putting it into the GOOGLE name - but it seems that that particular plan came to nothing. Plently of potential to capitalize on it then. Now of course it's morphed into something they describe as just an insignificant fleck.

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Post  tigger on Mon 10 Dec - 17:03

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tigger wrote:If the age advanced photograph - in theory the most important item to find Madeleine of all their merchandise - may not be used unless it is purchased from their online shop, how is that going to help the search?

Surely the Fund could pay the copyright on the photograph and make it freely available on the internet, to be copied by whoever wants to. In fact why don't they have a download picture on their website, high definition and free to publish for anyone.
Much better than the mimsy labels imo. Who takes the trouble to read luggage labels?

The McCanns believers and the good people who still believe the story would no doubt stick posters in their window for Christmas, put posters in village halls and shops - all for free Team McCann!

Except they'll be losing out on the income. I'd quite like to know which photographs are under copyright still, the tennis photo, the pool photo etc? When did the copyright on photographs of Madeleine come into force? My guess is pretty early, going by the trademark registration, the Ltd. Company and the marketing.

Hi tigger, they havn't said they bought the copyright so they have no say in who buys the photo. To have it billed as Merchandise suggests they bought a quantity at a discount to sell .Therefore, if you buy direct from Teri they lose out.

That's why I said - see above - they could have bought the copyright. In any case, they could then have made a free download available, high definition so that even largish posters could be printed by whoever wanted to.
These posters could go in windows, village halls, shops, you name it. They'd have a free army of people who mean well working to spread the image far and wide all over the world.

It would be far more lucrative for the so-called owner of the copyright to have a decent one off payment, instead of dribs and drabs as and when it got published.

@T4two, I'm sure a lot of the photographs were copyrighted - a mind that can trademark your lost child's name within two weeks of her disappearance, would not have missed this opportunity. The marketing imo, was professionally prepared.
Can you imagine, the weeping parents giving out a photograph and coming back to the press a little later with a 'by the way, you understand this is copyright'.
Most of the photographs released should indeed have copyright pertaining to the ardent worker on photoshop, not so much a record or your child as a work of art.



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Post  Panda on Mon 10 Dec - 17:23

Now you are venturing into the bounds of irresponsibility tigger. They know it would be a waste of time to ask holidaymakers to post the photo on treetrunks etc and the fact that they call it Merchandise suggests it is for sale , probably as part of the Holiday Pack .

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Post  Panda on Mon 10 Dec - 17:30

T4two wrote:
Panda wrote:
T4two wrote:I think you'll find that the iconic right eye 'coloboma' pic used originally to capture hearts and minds was copyrighted within two weeks of the disappearance? Enforcing copyright on other pics seems to be very much at the discretion of the lawyers i.e. if your name is Tony Bennett, you aren't allowed to use anything. Very strange behaviour IMO.

Hi T4two, but wasn't that very crafty of copyrighting Madeleine's Colobama....how could you photograph her face without it? Who would want to just photograph her colobama?

They were using the 'coloboma' (it was never actually described as such) as a trademark e.g. the LOOK campaign. It was such a great marketing ploy, remember? There was also talk of putting it into the GOOGLE name - but it seems that that particular plan came to nothing. Plently of potential to capitalize on it then. Now of course it's morphed into something they describe as just an insignificant fleck.

Google quite rightly refused. Just thinking about the last five and a half years I think this case will not be solved and rank with JonBenet as one of the mysteries . The difference being that I can't think of any Parents who would set up a Company in 12 days to receive donations from the public to search for their daughter , only to fail miserably to appoint any organisation with experience in finding missing children. Instead, this greedy couple used every means to promote themselves and make a small fortune in the process.

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Post  jd16 on Mon 10 Dec - 17:51

If your child had really been abducted, wouldn't any parent swap all the money in the world to have them back? Would they really being thinking about copyrights & money? The more people that feel free to post photos in helping find her increases the chances of her being found. Placing copyright disclaimers and charging monies for a poster just turns people away

The mccanns also applied to give their daughter up 10 days after she disappeared. Maddie's legal guardian for the past 4 years is Lord Justice Hogg not the mccanns, they gave her up

From the millions that fund stole from the public, the mccanns only spent a mere 13% on the search. Below are some posts from 5 years ago

They call this a "fighting fund", and for good reason. Firstly, everybody look up what a barrister does. They don't look for missing children or set up limited companies - their sole purpose is to defend people accused of crimes. The "fighting" the McCanns are doing is fighting extradition to the UK on child abandonment charges (the reason they have made the decision to remain in Portugal), and fighting similar charges which must inevitably be brought against them in Portugal. The PLC was set up for tax avoidance reasons. As a former UK Company Secretary, I know of what I speak! When you give money to the McCanns, you effectively become shareholders in their company, but in UK law, the directors (who in this case are Gerry and Kate McCann and two of their immediate family members) do not have to account to the shareholders in any way, shape or form, and being a corporation instead of a private individual, is only subject to income tax at 23% (as opposed to 40%).

When you send your hard-earned money to any Maddy website or fund, your money is NOT going towards finding Maddy. And bear in mind also that you and I, with our taxes, are already paying for teams of British police, investigators and Foreign Office translators to be in Portugal, despite the fact that Europol and Interpol have been involved from the get-go. We don't have a say in how our taxes are spent, but we do have a say in where we funnel our private donations, which, unless we are in the McCanns' income bracket, are not tax-deductible!

Wealthy, private individuals already put up over $5 million in reward money, just for information as to her whereabouts, and nobody took the bait. The "fighting fund" is NOT reward money


If they can afford to live in a £600,000 house, lots of holidays, and afford a nanny and i.v.f treatment then lets be honest they are not short of money

This fund money pays for accommodation, creche bills, food and drink, legal expenses, and pointless yellow ribbons and t shirts. And to top it off, this fund is not even set up as a charity, so when all this is over, where does the money go? It goes to the family as 'compensation' for their suffering, after a situation which only arose in the first place because they didn't want the burden of children to spoil their lovely holiday.

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Post  mossman on Mon 10 Dec - 17:55

jd16 wrote:Words just fail me. I read this disclaimer and have to keep reminding myself that this is for a missing child

"our age progression image is copyrighted to Teri Blythe and cannot be used without written permission from her"...This is just simply astonishing, and it is indirectly saying that if you wanted to help find this missing child you could be sued for putting up this picture of her...absolutely incredible


It is astonishing and I do not believe it. Teri Blythe provided a service to the McCanns, the preparation of the artwork. It was not her "idea" or "design" but an impression created of their child based on I am sure guidance from them, photographs of Madeleine and indeed probably her parents at a young age. Basically, she provided computer services to them. Why would all copyright be vested in Blythe in an instance such as that ?

I feel quite sure the McCanns would have paid for control of that image along with a fee for the preparation of it. Whilst Blythe should be and would be credited on each copy of the artwork re-produced, I cannot see how she (?) has the ultimate say in where and how it can be re-produced.

As the client who paid for the service and ultimately the image, they would have much more control on how and where that image is used. Their statement suggests once Blythe gives the ok anybody can make a shopping bag with the image. Most definately unlike the McCanns and I would be stunned if that is the case.

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Post  Panda on Mon 10 Dec - 18:20

@ jd16 It was a QC who advised the McCanns to make Madeleine a Ward of Court so that in the event of the McCanns being charged with negligence in Portugal and being imprisoned, the U.K. would take over the search for Madeleine.



Hi mossman, I think it unlikely that Teri Blythe sold the copyright to the McCanns. Madeleiene's photo was one of a collection of her work, but I'm sure she would have sold a lot at a discount which the McCanns will sell on at a profit.

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Post  Panda on Mon 10 Dec - 18:35

Detectives believe there is a possibility that Madeleine McCann is still alive.

25 April 2012




Detectives from the Metropolitan Police Service conducting the investigative review into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are releasing an age progression image of her as we approach her ninth birthday on 12 May.

The image has been created in close collaboration with the family and is being released ahead of the fifth anniversary of her disappearance on 3 May. It shows how we believe Madeleine would look today.


"we are releasing the age progression image today with a specific appeal"
The release comes as detectives announce that as a result of evidence uncovered during the review they now believe there is a possibility Madeleine is still alive and are appealing for anyone who is able to provide direct information as to her whereabouts to contact the team.

The investigative review commenced in May 2011 under the leadership of the then commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson. A murder team within the Homicide and Serious Crime Command was tasked to conduct the review and is led by Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood acting to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell and Commander Simon Foy.

Work of the team involves close collaboration with a senior investigating officer from the Policia Judaria and detectives have been to Portugal several times.

Throughout the course of the review officers have been in close contact with the McCann family who have been assigned a Family Liaison Officer as is standard in accordance with national family liaison policy.

The review team are in a unique position in that their task is to compile and review material from three separate strands - the Portuguese investigation, inquiries by UK law enforcement agencies, and the work of private investigators/agencies.

Officers are now methodically going through that material which they believe amounts to around 40,000 pieces of information equating to approximately 100,000 pages.

The intention is to identify from that material investigative opportunities which we will then present to the Portuguese authorities who retain primacy for the investigation. Officers have so far identified around 195 such opportunities within the historic material, and are also developing what they believe to be genuinely new material.

The objective of the review team is to work with the Portuguese authorities with a view to having the case, which has remained closed since 2008, re-opened in due course.

DCI Andy Redwood said: “From the outset we have approached this review with a completely open mind, placing Madeleine McCann at the heart of everything we do. We are working on the basis of two possibilities here. One is that Madeleine is still alive; and the second that she is sadly dead.

“Based on the former we are releasing the age progression image today with a specific appeal.

“If you know where Madeleine McCann is now or you have new direct information/evidence about what has happened to her then please contact us.

“The second point of appeal today is in relation to those who were at the resort of Praia da Luz between 28 April and 3 May 2007. If you were either on holiday or in residence in the resort during this period, particularly in the vicinity of the Ocean Club, and you have not been spoken to by police either here or in Portugal then please call us on 0800 0961011 if you are within the UK. The number for non-UK residents is +44 2071580 126. Alternatively if you do not want to speak to us directly you can contact Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.”


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The age progression picture was commissioned by the Met according to this article taken from Teri's Blog, and states she owns the copyright. so the McCanns have no right to interfere if someone wants to buy from Teri. Can you believe this, the Met pays for the image, Teri takes orders and sells at a discount to the McCanns who then make a profit on sales.,

I give up.!!!!!!!

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Post  mossman on Mon 10 Dec - 19:03

Panda wrote: The age progression picture was commissioned by the Met according to this article taken from Teri's Blog, and states she owns the copyright. so the McCanns have no right to interfere if someone wants to buy from Teri. Can you believe this, the Met pays for the image, Teri takes orders and sells at a discount to the McCanns who then make a profit on sales.,I give up.!!!!!!!


I think the original post on this thread with the quote from the McCanns back in November was referring to the original age progression image, which was being used by that company making shopping bags etc and selling them on Amazon. The McCanns themselves I thought commissioned that first image.

Madeleine however is a minor, are there specific laws with regard to distribution of images of children ? Surely, a guardian or parent is required to give permission for a childs image to be used ?

I simply do not believe for one second that the McCanns are at the beck and call of a third party when it comes to their "marketing" material. I would bet my house it is completely at their discretion where and when the image is used and perhaps Terii is then paid a comission. That is with regard to the first image. The other one, SY's image, rarely if ever crops up. Even the McCanns themselves don't seem to want to use it for some unknown reason.

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Post  T4two on Mon 10 Dec - 19:43

mossman wrote:
Panda wrote: The age progression picture was commissioned by the Met according to this article taken from Teri's Blog, and states she owns the copyright. so the McCanns have no right to interfere if someone wants to buy from Teri. Can you believe this, the Met pays for the image, Teri takes orders and sells at a discount to the McCanns who then make a profit on sales.,I give up.!!!!!!!


I think the original post on this thread with the quote from the McCanns back in November was referring to the original age progression image, which was being used by that company making shopping bags etc and selling them on Amazon. The McCanns themselves I thought commissioned that first image.

Madeleine however is a minor, are there specific laws with regard to distribution of images of children ? Surely, a guardian or parent is required to give permission for a childs image to be used ?

I simply do not believe for one second that the McCanns are at the beck and call of a third party when it comes to their "marketing" material. I would bet my house it is completely at their discretion where and when the image is used and perhaps Terii is then paid a comission. That is with regard to the first image. The other one, SY's image, rarely if ever crops up. Even the McCanns themselves don't seem to want to use it for some unknown reason.

The reason being what is known as "Fair Use" under copyright law. Using or reproducing a picture officially put into the public domain by a law enforcement agency - in this case Scotland Yard - for the purpose of finding a missing person, cannot be considered an infringement of copyright, whereas using the pictures only put out by the McCanns can be considered to be an infringement. In other words - the McCanns cannot make any money from the picture put out by Scotland Yard - so they don't use it. Maybe that's what Scotland Yard were interested to test by putting that pic out - or perhaps they just don't care?

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Post  Panda on Mon 10 Dec - 19:47

http://findmadeleine.com/online_store/

The Teri image is the one being sold as part of a pack for £1.75, open link

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Post  T4two on Mon 10 Dec - 19:49

Panda wrote:http://findmadeleine.com/online_store/

The Teri image is the one being sold as part of a pack for £1.75, open link

There you go then - worst suspicions confirmed IMO

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Post  Panda on Mon 10 Dec - 20:00

T4two, I know it sounds silly but I feel really angry about all this.....so the MET, not the Parents commissioned this, presumably paid for it yet the PARENTS use it to sell Merchandise, just who were the SY Police working for???

I'm gonna watch Happy Feet for the enth time, it always cheers me up.

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