LATEST NEWS ON DEWANI MURDER

AnnaEsse wrote:

T4two wrote:

Dewani's QC Clare Montgomery dismissed the allegations facing him as "demonstrably false".

She accused the South Africans of trying to set him up for the murder to stop tourists being discouraged from visiting the country.

Not a very convincing argument and it reminds me of something someone else said about the Portuguese.

The Portuguese police did not want a murder on their hands!

Yes one of the Great Clarence quotes.

AnnaEsse wrote:

T4two wrote:

Dewani's QC Clare Montgomery dismissed the allegations facing him as "demonstrably false".

She accused the South Africans of trying to set him up for the murder to stop tourists being discouraged from visiting the country.

Not a very convincing argument and it reminds me of something someone else said about the Portuguese.

The Portuguese police did not want a murder on their hands!

Thanks for jogging my memory. Right, a murder; the inference being that the Portuguese were 'stitching up' the McCanns because they didn't want to have a murder which had been carried out by a Portuguese - bad for tourism. Why murder? I asked myself at the time - and I'm still puzzled as to why she used that word.

fred wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

T4two wrote:

Dewani's QC Clare Montgomery dismissed the allegations facing him as "demonstrably false".

She accused the South Africans of trying to set him up for the murder to stop tourists being discouraged from visiting the country.

Not a very convincing argument and it reminds me of something someone else said about the Portuguese.

The Portuguese police did not want a murder on their hands!

Yes one of the Great Clarence quotes.

Think it was a Kate McCann quote?

As Mrs McCann succinctly put it just hours before being named as a suspect: "The police don't want a murder in Portugal and all the publicity about them not having paedophile laws here, so they're blaming us."
She added: "The Portuguese police are running out of budget for this investigation and want it to end."
Mr McCann, who until now has steadfastly refused to criticise the police, despairingly told a friend: "We are being absolutely stitched up."
The McCanns' friends believe the 130-day investigation has been politically driven, with a determination to make the couple scapegoats in order to protect the Algarve's all-important tourist industry.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562714/McCanns-suffer-stain-of-suspicion.html

margaret wrote:

Chris wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:Sky News is telling us that Dewani is fighting extradition. So, what happened to his spokesman's assurance that he would go back to South Africa and answer any question 'to get the truth out.'?

Bold words until tested!

I see there is also some CCTV which may have recorded a pay-off.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3267547/Murder-suspect-Shrien-Dewani-caught-on-CCTV-paying-cash-to-plot-claim-cabbie.html

The article also includes the quote:

And a source close to him said: "This may be one of many instances where the wrong conclusions are being drawn and two plus two is being made to equal five."

That reminds me of something similar I have read elsewhere.

Now what did l say yesterday...? I think that was the 'delicate matter' Anis dad spoke about, l bet he had to go and view that footage and indentify Shrien as the person handing the money over.

Well if they have that kind of evidence it's very hard to see how Dewani will be able to explain it away.
On the other hand, I still haven't heard a really convincing motive for him killing a woman he'd only just married. Also, if the driver reckons Dewani arranged to have someone murdered in SA before, why didn't he go through the same contacts (or is arranging a murder a service that any South African taxi driver will provide)? Presumably the police will be able to check who Dewani has visited SA with in the past, if he ever has, and whether his travelling companions are still alive to tell the tale.
Of course, whether the driver is right or wrong about Dewani's alleged past murders doesn't mean he did not (or did) arrange to kill Anni, but it will affect his credibility as a witness.

The motive does seem unclear to many right now. But that is for the police and the courts to establish and I'm pretty sure it will be. It does seem evident there is a great deal of evidence mounting against this man and lack of apparent motive is certainly not sufficient cause not to put him on trial - or indeed to obtain a conviction. His motive can go to the grave with him for all I care. As long as justice is served.

AnnaEsse wrote:

T4two wrote:

Dewani's QC Clare Montgomery dismissed the allegations facing him as "demonstrably false".

She accused the South Africans of trying to set him up for the murder to stop tourists being discouraged from visiting the country.

Not a very convincing argument and it reminds me of something someone else said about the Portuguese.

The Portuguese police did not want a murder on their hands!

Sure. because before they came here on holiday, there had never been a murder! Stupid people.

docmac wrote:The motive does seem unclear to many right now. But that is for the police and the courts to establish and I'm pretty sure it will be. It does seem evident there is a great deal of evidence mounting against this man and lack of apparent motive is certainly not sufficient cause not to put him on trial - or indeed to obtain a conviction. His motive can go to the grave with him for all I care. As long as justice is served.

If the man did the deed, I hope he gets banged up, Docmac. I strongly dislike Brits who commit crimes abroad and then run back here and start hiding behind expensive PRs and lawyers. Certainly, I see no reason why he shouldn't be extradited to stand trial.

oooh - who can you mean?

Popcorn wrote:

margaret wrote:

Chris wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:Sky News is telling us that Dewani is fighting extradition. So, what happened to his spokesman's assurance that he would go back to South Africa and answer any question 'to get the truth out.'?

Bold words until tested!

I see there is also some CCTV which may have recorded a pay-off.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3267547/Murder-suspect-Shrien-Dewani-caught-on-CCTV-paying-cash-to-plot-claim-cabbie.html

The article also includes the quote:

And a source close to him said: "This may be one of many instances where the wrong conclusions are being drawn and two plus two is being made to equal five."

That reminds me of something similar I have read elsewhere.

Now what did l say yesterday...? I think that was the 'delicate matter' Anis dad spoke about, l bet he had to go and view that footage and indentify Shrien as the person handing the money over.

Well if they have that kind of evidence it's very hard to see how Dewani will be able to explain it away.
On the other hand, I still haven't heard a really convincing motive for him killing a woman he'd only just married. Also, if the driver reckons Dewani arranged to have someone murdered in SA before, why didn't he go through the same contacts (or is arranging a murder a service that any South African taxi driver will provide)? Presumably the police will be able to check who Dewani has visited SA with in the past, if he ever has, and whether his travelling companions are still alive to tell the tale.
Of course, whether the driver is right or wrong about Dewani's alleged past murders doesn't mean he did not (or did) arrange to kill Anni, but it will affect his credibility as a witness.

The possible motive is a mystery to me too, but according to other posters, we're dealing with a phenomenon which is not unusual in Indian culture. The whole thing has more than a touch of déjà vu about it however - especially the bit about being stitched up by the South Africans because they are protecting their tourist industry. The police are of course quite oblivious to the fact that the inevitable accusations of stitching someone up in this way would attract far more attention to the case and make it far more damaging for the tourist industry than if they banged up a few of the locals allowing the matter to be forgotten relatively quickly.

I'd like to know when Max Clifford is going to jump ship, PR not required if he's off to face trial.

T4two wrote:
The possible motive is a mystery to me too, but according to other posters, we're dealing with a phenomenon which is not unusual in Indian culture. The whole thing has more than a touch of déjà vu about it however - especially the bit about being stitched up by the South Africans because they are protecting their tourist industry. The police are of course quite oblivious to the fact that the inevitable accusations of stitching someone up in this way would attract far more attention to the case and make it far more damaging for the tourist industry than if they banged up a few of the locals allowing the matter to be forgotten relatively quickly.

I would have thought the tourist industry could actually benefit. 15,000 Rand? Its a bit like monopoly money if you are looking to bump someone off and much cheaper than the current UK rate (or so I am reliably informed) even with the cost of a flight and a couple of days in a hotel. You can even get airmiles!

T4two wrote:

Popcorn wrote:

margaret wrote:

Chris wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:Sky News is telling us that Dewani is fighting extradition. So, what happened to his spokesman's assurance that he would go back to South Africa and answer any question 'to get the truth out.'?

Bold words until tested!

I see there is also some CCTV which may have recorded a pay-off.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3267547/Murder-suspect-Shrien-Dewani-caught-on-CCTV-paying-cash-to-plot-claim-cabbie.html

The article also includes the quote:

And a source close to him said: "This may be one of many instances where the wrong conclusions are being drawn and two plus two is being made to equal five."

That reminds me of something similar I have read elsewhere.

Now what did l say yesterday...? I think that was the 'delicate matter' Anis dad spoke about, l bet he had to go and view that footage and indentify Shrien as the person handing the money over.

Well if they have that kind of evidence it's very hard to see how Dewani will be able to explain it away.
On the other hand, I still haven't heard a really convincing motive for him killing a woman he'd only just married. Also, if the driver reckons Dewani arranged to have someone murdered in SA before, why didn't he go through the same contacts (or is arranging a murder a service that any South African taxi driver will provide)? Presumably the police will be able to check who Dewani has visited SA with in the past, if he ever has, and whether his travelling companions are still alive to tell the tale.
Of course, whether the driver is right or wrong about Dewani's alleged past murders doesn't mean he did not (or did) arrange to kill Anni, but it will affect his credibility as a witness.

The possible motive is a mystery to me too, but according to other posters, we're dealing with a phenomenon which is not unusual in Indian culture. The whole thing has more than a touch of déjà vu about it however - especially the bit about being stitched up by the South Africans because they are protecting their tourist industry. The police are of course quite oblivious to the fact that the inevitable accusations of stitching someone up in this way would attract far more attention to the case and make it far more damaging for the tourist industry than if they banged up a few of the locals allowing the matter to be forgotten relatively quickly.

Good point about the stupidity of a country's police force pinning murders on tourists in the name of protecting tourism, and a rep point from me. I must say, it was the sense of "deja vu" about this case that initially made me pay attention to it, and not in a favourable way for Mr Dewani. On closer inspection, I find myself torn, but I hope that more information will come out in court, and that all the right people are convicted.

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South Africa's top police officer was at the centre of a bizarre race row today after labelling the businessman accused of plotting the killing of his wife a 'monkey'

National police commissioner Bheki Cele made the comments while criticising Shrien Dewani for supposedly paying for his wife Anni to be killed in the crime-ridden nation.

Speaking in Limpopo province, the South African media reported him as saying: 'One monkey came from London to kill his wife here.

'He thought we South Africans were stupid. Don’t kill people here.'

A few days after the killing on November 13 Mr Cele said Dewani were not suspects.

His comments came as it was claimed the millionaire left an envelope of cash to pay for the hit in a taxi.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337121/Honeymoon-murder-Shrien-Dewani-left-envelope-cash-taxi-pay-wifes-murder.html#ixzz17cbqkvO8

mumbles wrote:
< snipped >

South Africa's top police officer was at the centre of a bizarre race row today after labelling the businessman accused of plotting the killing of his wife a 'monkey'

National police commissioner Bheki Cele made the comments while criticising Shrien Dewani for supposedly paying for his wife Anni to be killed in the crime-ridden nation.

Speaking in Limpopo province, the South African media reported him as saying: 'One monkey came from London to kill his wife here.

'He thought we South Africans were stupid. Don’t kill people here.'

A few days after the killing on November 13 Mr Cele said Dewani were not suspects.

His comments came as it was claimed the millionaire left an envelope of cash to pay for the hit in a taxi.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337121/Honeymoon-murder-Shrien-Dewani-left-envelope-cash-taxi-pay-wifes-murder.html#ixzz17cbqkvO8

Monkey is a South African colloquialism, meaning idiot.

docmac wrote:

mumbles wrote:
< snipped >

South Africa's top police officer was at the centre of a bizarre race row today after labelling the businessman accused of plotting the killing of his wife a 'monkey'

National police commissioner Bheki Cele made the comments while criticising Shrien Dewani for supposedly paying for his wife Anni to be killed in the crime-ridden nation.

Speaking in Limpopo province, the South African media reported him as saying: 'One monkey came from London to kill his wife here.

'He thought we South Africans were stupid. Don’t kill people here.'

A few days after the killing on November 13 Mr Cele said Dewani were not suspects.

His comments came as it was claimed the millionaire left an envelope of cash to pay for the hit in a taxi.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337121/Honeymoon-murder-Shrien-Dewani-left-envelope-cash-taxi-pay-wifes-murder.html#ixzz17cbqkvO8

Monkey is a South African colloquialism, meaning idiot.

Yes, in England too - rogue or fool. It's just the Mail trying to put a racist spin on it. Pathetic really

Typical Daily Mail though.

docmac wrote:

mumbles wrote:
< snipped >

South Africa's top police officer was at the centre of a bizarre race row today after labelling the businessman accused of plotting the killing of his wife a 'monkey'

National police commissioner Bheki Cele made the comments while criticising Shrien Dewani for supposedly paying for his wife Anni to be killed in the crime-ridden nation.

Speaking in Limpopo province, the South African media reported him as saying: 'One monkey came from London to kill his wife here.

'He thought we South Africans were stupid. Don’t kill people here.'

A few days after the killing on November 13 Mr Cele said Dewani were not suspects.

His comments came as it was claimed the millionaire left an envelope of cash to pay for the hit in a taxi.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337121/Honeymoon-murder-Shrien-Dewani-left-envelope-cash-taxi-pay-wifes-murder.html#ixzz17cbqkvO8

Monkey is a South African colloquialism, meaning idiot.

In Scotland too. It's fairly common for someone to be called 'a cheekie monkey.'

AnnaEsse wrote:

docmac wrote:

mumbles wrote:
< snipped >

South Africa's top police officer was at the centre of a bizarre race row today after labelling the businessman accused of plotting the killing of his wife a 'monkey'

National police commissioner Bheki Cele made the comments while criticising Shrien Dewani for supposedly paying for his wife Anni to be killed in the crime-ridden nation.

Speaking in Limpopo province, the South African media reported him as saying: 'One monkey came from London to kill his wife here.

'He thought we South Africans were stupid. Don’t kill people here.'

A few days after the killing on November 13 Mr Cele said Dewani were not suspects.

His comments came as it was claimed the millionaire left an envelope of cash to pay for the hit in a taxi.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337121/Honeymoon-murder-Shrien-Dewani-left-envelope-cash-taxi-pay-wifes-murder.html#ixzz17cbqkvO8

Monkey is a South African colloquialism, meaning idiot.

In Scotland too. It's fairly common for someone to be called 'a cheekie monkey.'

Yes I know. Just pointing out that monkey has no racist overtones, as has been inferred by the Mail. Actually, it's plain it was not inferred. It was simply IMPLIED. The fact that the 'monkey' statement came from a black and rather powerful South African makes it even more stupid imo.

docmac wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

docmac wrote:

mumbles wrote:
< snipped >

South Africa's top police officer was at the centre of a bizarre race row today after labelling the businessman accused of plotting the killing of his wife a 'monkey'

National police commissioner Bheki Cele made the comments while criticising Shrien Dewani for supposedly paying for his wife Anni to be killed in the crime-ridden nation.

Speaking in Limpopo province, the South African media reported him as saying: 'One monkey came from London to kill his wife here.

'He thought we South Africans were stupid. Don’t kill people here.'

A few days after the killing on November 13 Mr Cele said Dewani were not suspects.

His comments came as it was claimed the millionaire left an envelope of cash to pay for the hit in a taxi.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337121/Honeymoon-murder-Shrien-Dewani-left-envelope-cash-taxi-pay-wifes-murder.html#ixzz17cbqkvO8

Monkey is a South African colloquialism, meaning idiot.

In Scotland too. It's fairly common for someone to be called 'a cheekie monkey.'

Yes I know. Just pointing out that monkey has no racist overtones, as has been inferred by the Mail. Actually, it's plain it was not inferred. It was simply IMPLIED. The fact that the 'monkey' statement came from a black and rather powerful South African makes it even more stupid imo.

Exactly, docmac!

"She said Mr Dewani had never visited South Africa before, so could not have arranged any previous attack."


I imagine that's why terrorists can't set up plans to kill people, because they've never visited the country they're targetting .

jejune wrote:"She said Mr Dewani had never visited South Africa before, so could not have arranged any previous attack."


I imagine that's why terrorists can't set up plans to kill people, because they've never visited the country they're targetting .

I think he has indeed been here before. He also has family living here (not in Cape Town).

There is a huge uproar in the Western Cape legislature and in the community at large at the moment, as it has come to light that a fair sprinkling of bookings by foreign travellers for the summer season have been cancelled. There will undoubtedly be a knock-on effect too. Tourism is by far the biggest money-spinner for this popular and beautiful part of the world. Not for nothing is Cape Town rated by Conde Nast readers as one of the 5 most desirable travel destinations on the planet, I assure you.

There is already a negative perception of crime in SA, though the figures are hugely distorted by violent crime within the very sort of area that the lady was killed in. Attacks and other serious crimes against foreigners are almost unheard of in Cape Town and are rare in most of the rest of SA. This man has much to be ashamed of if he is guilty of this crime - and I have no doubt that he is. His callous, barbaric action is going to have an impact on the tourism industry of the region, however small. And as most people would know, this is going to result in some job losses and subsequent hardship for the sort of folks who can least afford it.

There was a comment much earlier in this thread expressing doubt that this was an arranged marriage. We shall see...

I've read this morning that there is suspicion that he might be gay. This could explain the motive? Maybe he didn't want to bring 'disgrace' on his family, so married to please them and then she was 'tragically' killed.

Breaking News

11:51am UK, Friday December 10, 2010
Honeymoon Murder: 'Husband Had Met Killer'


CCTV footage exists of repeated meetings between Shrien Dewani and the taxi driver accused of murdering the Briton's wife, it has been claimed.

A lawyer for South African authorities has told a court in London that the honeymooner spoke to Zola Tongo on the phone.

He also said cameras in the Cape Town hotel where the Dewanis were staying captured several meetings between the husband and Tongo, who has been jailed for 18 years over the murder.

The meetings allegedly took place both before and after Anni Dewani was shot dead.

Outside court, Sky News reporter Alistair Bunkall said: "The most interesting piece of evidence was footage apparently taken three days after Mrs Dewani's death, seeming to show the husband handing over a white packing to the driver."

The lawyer offered the evidence as argument against granting Dewani bail, claiming he posed a significant flight risk.

A judge has revoked bail for the newlywed, who was not in court.

Dewani's family, however, attended proceedings - as did members of his wife's family.

As part of a plea bargain in South Africa, Tongo claimed he was paid by Dewani to organise the shooting.

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murdering barsteward.

He's been granted bail!!