May take a few months to deport Abu Qatada

3:12pm UK, Sunday April 22, 2012 Sophy Ridge, political correspondent Justice Secretary Ken Clarke has told Sky News it will take "a few months" to deport radical cleric Abu Qatada because of legal process. There is currently confusion over whether an appeal against his deportation to Jordan was made in time. Qatada's lawyers lodged an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights on Tuesday night, but the Home Office insists it was made after the three-month deadline had elapsed. Former attorney-general Lord Goldsmith told Sky News he believes "on balance" the Home Secretary was wrong over the dates and that she should have "erred on the side of caution". A panel of five judges will now decide whether the appeal is valid and should be considered by the court's Grand Chamber. If the legal process continues for some months and any deportation is delayed, Qatada - once described by a judge as Osama bin Laden's right-hand man in Europe - may be considered for bail. Mr Clarke told Sky News: "When Theresa (May) announced it in the first place she did say it would take several months more. Qatada was once described as bin Laden's right-hand man in Europe "We're governed by the rule of the law - it's one of the prides of the United Kingdom that it is, and the result is inevitably, as she said straight away, it's going to take a few months of legal process. "I think some of the wild excitement about the details of that process has been taken rather to excess." The Justice Secretary also complained that the "circus" over Qatada had distracted attention from a conference held in Brighton on reforming the European Court of Human Rights. He said: "We got rather overshadowed by the circus in London that surrounded the deporting of Abu Qatada, but actually I think more important achievements took place down in Brighton." Reforming the European Court of Human Rights is a priority for many Conservative MPs, who feel the European court should not be able to dictate what happens in Britain. Mr Clarke said that "remarkable progress" was made in Brighton to get the 47 member states to agree to a declaration to accelerate reforms that would help clear the large backlog of cases. However, it follows reports that Cabinet ministers clashed over whether sufficient progress had been made. The UK had originally wanted to narrow the criteria for cases to be admissible to the European Court of Human Rights. Reports in The Sunday Telegraph suggest Education Secretary Michael Gove attacked the compromise as unacceptable during a Cabinet meeting held before the conference.

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Qatada deadline was checked - PM

The Home Office "checked repeatedly" with Europe's human rights court about when the deadline for any appeal over terror suspect Abu Qatada's deportation could be made, David Cameron has said.

The Prime Minister denied making a "complete mess" of getting Qatada out of the country, saying the Home Office was "very clear" about the date, had checked with the court and considered the precedents.

Home Secretary Theresa May has insisted that the appeal by the radical cleric's lawyers should be thrown out because it missed a three-month deadline, but advice from the research department of the Council of Europe - which is responsible for the court - suggests otherwise.

The confusion could lead to Qatada being back on British streets in just two or three weeks.

Mr Justice Mitting, president of the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (Siac), returned Qatada to jail after his arrest last week.

But he warned: "If it is obvious after two or three weeks have elapsed that deportation is not imminent... then I will reconsider bail along the basis of a more leisurely timetable than that necessarily required for a full-blown appeal to Siac."

Mr Cameron told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "The Home Office was very clear that it had the right date for the deadline expiring on the Monday evening (April 16).

"It had checked repeatedly throughout that process, it was working on that basis and all the case law pointed in that direction, so it was very clear and Theresa May has been very clear about this."

He added: "The Home Office was working on the basis of the deadline being the Monday night and that is something that they had checked with the court.

"The Home Office was clear about the date, the precedents were checked, and so they acted in my view entirely correctly."

It's quite beyond my understanding why this speciman of "human" garbage was ever allowed to be in UK to start with and it's quite beyond my understanding just why he is not booted out immediately. I very much doubt any other country would give him such care and courtesy, never mind paying for himself and his family to live in luxury at the tax payers expense. What a joke !

mara thon wrote:It's quite beyond my understanding why this speciman of "human" garbage was ever allowed to be in UK to start with and it's quite beyond my understanding just why he is not booted out immediately. I very much doubt any other country would give him such care and courtesy, never mind paying for himself and his family to live in luxury at the tax payers expense. What a joke !

Morning mara_thon ...all this over a 1 day supposed mistake.!!!!!!!!!!! The sooner Britain gets out of the European Justice the better, we have lost all
control over our judicial system, Human Rights rule not the Law.

Since this was such a serious case, wouldn't the Home Office ask for written confirmation?

To be honest Panda I'm not sure it has so much to do with European justice as it does the "human rights brigade" who make megga money from this kind of thing. I don't know of any other European country that would tolerate it to be honest, that man would have been on the first plane out no matter what the European Court said.

mara thon wrote:To be honest Panda I'm not sure it has so much to do with European justice as it does the "human rights brigade" who make megga money from this kind of thing. I don't know of any other European country that would tolerate it to be honest, that man would have been on the first plane out no matter what the European Court said.

Yes mara_than, Britain thought it was entering a Common Market ,instead we have lost so much with all the Rules and Regulations.....the most
infamous that we could only import straight Bananas, do you remember that? Guess who is a Senior Lawyer working for Human Rights.....Cherie
Blair.....it makes me sick.

Yes Panda I remember the straight bananas, didn't last long though did it? Cherie Blair won't want people deporting from UK, she makes too much money out of them.

As I understand it (can't find the article now), the European Court can make it's decision but judges in the country in question can actually overrule that decision. If I can ever find that article again I will post it, but no promises. However I think I can say with a degree of certainty that had this abominable man been here in Spain, he would have been gone long since. Not that he was likely to be here, he wouldn't have got a free big house and lots of money thrown at him

Our biggest problem is that we follow EU rules to the letter. Other countries get away with defying them when it does not suit them. Nothing is said about it but we are jumped on like a ton of bricks. I wonder why???? Time to get out of the whole caboodle they take us for the suckers we have become. It is tragic for this country

Abu Qatada arrested after breaching bail conditions


Radical preacher Abu Qatada has been arrested for allegedly breaching his
bail conditions, days ahead of the Government's latest deportation bid in court.









Abu Qatada was led away from his
home in handcuffs for allegedly breaching his bail conditions Photo: AP





By Josie Ensor and Hayley Dixon

12:51AM GMT 09 Mar 2013




Qatada, 52, once described as Osama Bin Laden’s right-hand man in Europe, was
led away from his north London home on Friday after police raids at his address.



Specialist officers from the Met’s Counter Terrorism Command searched
Qatada’s tax-payer funded home for 12 hours before he was arrested.


A Home Office spokeswoman said: “The UK Border Agency today arrested a
52-year-old man from North London for alleged breaches of his bail conditions
imposed by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission.”


The move comes as the Government has stepped up its latest efforts to get him
deported.


Qatada, who is wanted in Jordan for alleged terrorist offences, is under 24
hour watch which costs the taxpayer £100,000 a week, and is on electronically
tagged between 4pm and 8am.



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The police search, in which bags of evidence were removed, was understood to
be part of a long-running criminal inquiry.

Two other homes and businesses were also searched.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said that they were “in connection with ongoing
inquiries by the Counter Terrorism Command.”

Officers stood guard outside the home as others scoured the property,
including the bins.

Home Office minister James Brokenshire flew to Jordan this week for talks
with the country’s Prime Minister Abdullah Ensour.

On Monday the case is due to return to the Court of Appeal.

Qatada, who was freed on bail in November, was convicted in his absence in
Jordan of involvement in terror attacks in 1998 and has featured in hate sermons
found on videos in the flat of one of the Sept 11 bombers.

Jordan want him returned to face a retrial.

Jordan's justice minister, Ayman Odeh, has already promised that Qatada would
be given a new and fair trial with no evidence gained from torture.

Could this be a dastardly plot by the Border Agency to plant evidence ? Seems coincidental that a Home office Minister went to Jordan this week and this has taken place only days before another deportation bid. If it is, I hope it succeeds.

Qatada: May Pledges To Scrap Human Rights Act


Home Secretary Theresa May says Britain must be allowed to
deport terrorists like Abu Qatada without human rights interference.


6:39am UK, Sunday
10 March 2013

Theresa May wants Abu Qatada deported to
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Theresa May has pledged that a Conservative government would
scrap the Human Rights Act which she claims has stopped Britain from deporting
the radical preacher Abu Qatada.

The Home Secretary also went so far as to indicate the Conservatives could go
further by pulling out of its European obligations on Human Rights altogether,
an association dating back more than 60 years.

Ms May, who is being touted as a possible future Conservative leader, told
Tory activists that the party must "consider very carefully our relationship"
with the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

She said that Britain must stop human rights laws interfering with its
ability to protect the nation.

She pointed to the case of Qatada, once described as Osama bin
Laden's right hand man in Europe, who was on Saturday returned to custody
following his arrest for allegedly breaching his bail
conditions.

Ms May said that the Strasbourg-based court had constantly moved the
goalposts on Britain's request for his deportation to Jordan.

"We need to stop human rights legislation interfering with our ability to
fight crime and control immigration," she told the Victory 2015 conference.

"That's why, as our last manifesto promised, the next Conservative government
will scrap the Human Rights Act, and it's why we should also consider very
carefully our relationship with the European Court of Human Rights and the
convention it enforces.
Qatada arrives at his London home after his
release from prison in November
"When Strasbourg constantly moves the goalposts and prevents the deportation
of dangerous men like Abu Qatada, we have to ask ourselves to what end are we
signatories to the convention?”

She added: "So by 2015 we'll need a plan for dealing with the European Court
of Human Rights. And yes, I want to be clear that all options - including
leaving the convention altogether - should be on the table."

The Government is to make a bid at the Court of Appeal on Monday to overturn
a judge's decision to allow Qatada, who has been convicted of terrorism charges
in Jordan, to remain in Britain.

Ms May made her comments to Tory grassroots as part of a wide-ranging speech
in which she also said that she expects the Conservative's public sector reform
agenda to "become even more radical" and could include allowing companies to
make a profit delivering frontline services.

The country's most senior judge, Lord Neuberger, last week pointed out that
if Britain was to scrap the Human Rights Act and end its association with the
European Convention on Human Rights, it would also have to withdraw from the
United Nations.

He pointed out that it is under the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human
Rights that terrorists could not be deported to countries where they might be
subjected to poor treatment.

Yvette Cooper, shadow home secretary, said: "She says she wants freedom yet
she wants to abolish the Human Rights Act which protects freedom of speech,
freedom from torture and freedom of religion.

"And she wants to pull out of the European Convention which is protecting
basic freedoms in emerging democracies across Europe and has nothing to do with
her failure in deporting fewer foreign criminals."

Theresa May's New Bid To Boot Out Abu Qatada




Last Updated: 4:28AM 11/03/2013



Home Secretary Theresa May is making another attempt today to have radical preacher Abu Qatada deported from Britain - just days after he was arrested for allegedly breaching his bail conditions.
Three Court of Appeal judges led by Lord Dyson, the Master of the Rolls, will hear Ms May's challenge.
In November last year, the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (Siac) decided Qatada could not lawfully be deported to Jordan, where he was convicted of terror charges in his absence in 1999.
Siac judges ruled there was a danger that evidence from Qatada's former co-defendants Abu Hawsher and Al Hamasher, said to have been obtained by torture, could be used against him in a retrial in Jordan.
They said: "The Secretary of State has not satisfied us that, on a retrial, there is no real risk that the impugned statements of Abu Hawsher and Al Hamasher would be admitted probatively against the appellant."
Ms May immediately pledged to appeal and told the Commons that Jordan had given assurances about its legal processes.
She described Qatada as "a dangerous man, a suspected terrorist, who is accused of serious crime in his home country of Jordan".
The hearing comes after Qatada was arrested on Friday for the alleged breach of his bail conditions.
Mr Justice Irwin ordered on Saturday that he should remain in custody after hearing "strong prima facie evidence" that mobile phones or communications equipment had been switched on in his house.
Qatada was born in Bethlehem in the West Bank at a time when it was occupied by Jordan.
He was granted bail following the ruling by three Siac judges and released from HMP Long Lartin, returning to his family home in northwest London.
However, on Friday he was returned to Belmarsh prison where he is due to remain in custody ahead of a further bail hearing on March 21.
Qatada's wife and five children recently won an injunction preventing protesters from demonstrating outside their house.
He has used human rights laws to fight deportation for several years, running up a legal bill unofficially estimated at over £500,000.
Today, Ms May's lawyers will attempt to convince Lord Dyson, sitting with Lord Justice Elias and Lord Justice Richards, that the latest Siac decision is legally flawed and Qatada can at last be safely sent to Jordan.
Pointing to the case of Qatada, Ms May promised on Saturday that a Conservative government would scrap the Human Rights Act.
She suggested to Tory activists that the European Court of Human Rights was restricting Britain's ability to act in the national interest and accused Strasbourg of constantly moving the goalposts on Qatada's deportation

Panda wrote:Theresa May's New Bid To Boot Out Abu Qatada




Last Updated: 4:28AM 11/03/2013



Home Secretary Theresa May is making another attempt today to have radical preacher Abu Qatada deported from Britain - just days after he was arrested for allegedly breaching his bail conditions.
Three Court of Appeal judges led by Lord Dyson, the Master of the Rolls, will hear Ms May's challenge.
In November last year, the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (Siac) decided Qatada could not lawfully be deported to Jordan, where he was convicted of terror charges in his absence in 1999.
Siac judges ruled there was a danger that evidence from Qatada's former co-defendants Abu Hawsher and Al Hamasher, said to have been obtained by torture, could be used against him in a retrial in Jordan.
They said: "The Secretary of State has not satisfied us that, on a retrial, there is no real risk that the impugned statements of Abu Hawsher and Al Hamasher would be admitted probatively against the appellant."
Ms May immediately pledged to appeal and told the Commons that Jordan had given assurances about its legal processes.
She described Qatada as "a dangerous man, a suspected terrorist, who is accused of serious crime in his home country of Jordan".
The hearing comes after Qatada was arrested on Friday for the alleged breach of his bail conditions.
Mr Justice Irwin ordered on Saturday that he should remain in custody after hearing "strong prima facie evidence" that mobile phones or communications equipment had been switched on in his house.
Qatada was born in Bethlehem in the West Bank at a time when it was occupied by Jordan.
He was granted bail following the ruling by three Siac judges and released from HMP Long Lartin, returning to his family home in northwest London.
However, on Friday he was returned to Belmarsh prison where he is due to remain in custody ahead of a further bail hearing on March 21.
Qatada's wife and five children recently won an injunction preventing protesters from demonstrating outside their house.
He has used human rights laws to fight deportation for several years, running up a legal bill unofficially estimated at over £500,000.
Today, Ms May's lawyers will attempt to convince Lord Dyson, sitting with Lord Justice Elias and Lord Justice Richards, that the latest Siac decision is legally flawed and Qatada can at last be safely sent to Jordan.
Pointing to the case of Qatada, Ms May promised on Saturday that a Conservative government would scrap the Human Rights Act.
She suggested to Tory activists that the European Court of Human Rights was restricting Britain's ability to act in the national interest and accused Strasbourg of constantly moving the goalposts on Qatada's deportation

This case and others like it is are an obscenity. Here we have an alien with no ties to this country who admits to hating the regime which is supporting him, and has an absolutely zero input into other than imposing himself and his family onto the welfare system. He has never struck a blow of work for any of the services they have received, while our own indigenous citizens who have worked and indeed many have fought to defend our country are left in virtual poverty and ignored by the system.

It's all to do with the Human Rights Bill malena and the way it favours immigrants instead ot the indigenous population. If the rest of the EC had the same problems Britain has , you would soon see a change in the Law.

Panda wrote:It's all to do with the Human Rights Bill malena and the way it favours immigrants instead ot the indigenous population. If the rest of the EC had the same problems Britain has , you would soon see a change in the Law.

They didn't sign up to the 'Bills' that we did apparently... I wonder haw much cash changed hands to tempt our 'honourable Members' to put pen to paper?

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:It's all to do with the Human Rights Bill malena and the way it favours immigrants instead ot the indigenous population. If the rest of the EC had the same problems Britain has , you would soon see a change in the Law.

They didn't sign up to the 'Bills' that we did apparently... I wonder haw much cash changed hands to tempt our 'honourable Members' to put pen to paper?

If there was an option it's disgraceful , Britain has always been a mafnet for immigrants, not just because of the Benefits system either, English is an International language. The Public had no say about what we were signing up to , what rights did the indigenous population have??

Panda wrote:

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:It's all to do with the Human Rights Bill malena and the way it favours immigrants instead ot the indigenous population. If the rest of the EC had the same problems Britain has , you would soon see a change in the Law.

They didn't sign up to the 'Bills' that we did apparently... I wonder haw much cash changed hands to tempt our 'honourable Members' to put pen to paper?

If there was an option it's disgraceful , Britain has always been a mafnet for immigrants, not just because of the Benefits system either, English is an International language. The Public had no say about what we were signing up to , what rights did the indigenous population have??

By all means allow some immigrants here especially if they have skills to offer, but they should not be allowed to stay if they are illegal and/or wanted in their country of origin for ANY transgression. Certainly no court in any other country should have the right to tell us who we have and whether we should keep them here or not!

Ms. May could well have better developed gonads then any of her 'male' colleagues.

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:It's all to do with the Human Rights Bill malena and the way it favours immigrants instead ot the indigenous population. If the rest of the EC had the same problems Britain has , you would soon see a change in the Law.

They didn't sign up to the 'Bills' that we did apparently... I wonder haw much cash changed hands to tempt our 'honourable Members' to put pen to paper?

If there was an option it's disgraceful , Britain has always been a mafnet for immigrants, not just because of the Benefits system either, English is an International language. The Public had no say about what we were signing up to , what rights did the indigenous population have??

By all means allow some immigrants here especially if they have skills to offer, but they should not be allowed to stay if they are illegal and/or wanted in their country of origin for ANY transgression. Certainly no court in any other country should have the right to tell us who we have and whether we should keep them here or not!

Ms. May could well have better developed gonads then any of her 'male' colleagues.

It's the British Judges mostly to blame for going overboard on human rights. The worst example is the British Judge who denied the Home Office request to deport a Guy because he had a cat and formed an attachment to it.!!!

Panda wrote:

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:It's all to do with the Human Rights Bill malena and the way it favours immigrants instead ot the indigenous population. If the rest of the EC had the same problems Britain has , you would soon see a change in the Law.

They didn't sign up to the 'Bills' that we did apparently... I wonder haw much cash changed hands to tempt our 'honourable Members' to put pen to paper?

If there was an option it's disgraceful , Britain has always been a mafnet for immigrants, not just because of the Benefits system either, English is an International language. The Public had no say about what we were signing up to , what rights did the indigenous population have??

By all means allow some immigrants here especially if they have skills to offer, but they should not be allowed to stay if they are illegal and/or wanted in their country of origin for ANY transgression. Certainly no court in any other country should have the right to tell us who we have and whether we should keep them here or not!

Ms. May could well have better developed gonads then any of her 'male' colleagues.

It's the British Judges mostly to blame for going overboard on human rights. The worst example is the British Judge who denied the Home Office request to deport a Guy because he had a cat and formed an attachment to it.!!!

I personally see no problems. The man nor his family are English/British call it what you will. He continually offends and abuses the kindness and consideration offered to him. His lawyer should be given the option, arrange for him to live in Strasbourg where they seem to think he is a No.1 whallah, all friendly and nice, or he and his family will be deported back to where he came from... No other choice available.
As for the limp wristed, befuddled British judges... These ingrates should be removed from the bench, no problem with that. This is Britain, the law as is practiced by the free world originated here.. We do not need overpaid rent boys from a non English speaking country to rearrange the laws put in place to protect us.

The idea ias to extradite him to Jordan, one of our few remaining Allies in the Middle East and the most generous about taking in Refugees.

Send him off him to a nice clinic in Switzerland. They can give him something to take all his troubles from him. He can take all his family and friends with him, as many as he likes. All expenses paid. Sorted

fuzeta wrote:Send him off him to a nice clinic in Switzerland. They can give him something to take all his troubles from him. He can take all his family and friends with him, as many as he likes. All expenses paid. Sorted

If only fuzeta. If the BRITISH JUDGES do not agree this time I would be very annoyed. Halligen was extradited to the U.S. for Fraud as was the young man for Computer Hacking yet this louse can plot to kill and maim, live the life of Reiilly at the expense of the British Taxpayers. If the Judge does not agree to extradite he should be charged with perverting the course of Justice and sacked.

Panda wrote:

fuzeta wrote:Send him off him to a nice clinic in Switzerland. They can give him something to take all his troubles from him. He can take all his family and friends with him, as many as he likes. All expenses paid. Sorted

If only fuzeta. If the BRITISH JUDGES do not agree this time I would be very annoyed. Halligen was extradited to the U.S. for Fraud as was the young man for Computer Hacking yet this louse can plot to kill and maim, live the life of Reiilly at the expense of the British Taxpayers. If the Judge does not agree to extradite he should be charged with perverting the course of Justice and sacked.

Agreed

Abu Qatada: Jordan 'Pledges Fair Trial'




Last Updated: 7:21PM 11/03/2013

Mark White, Home Affairs Correspondent

The Jordanian government will do everything possible to ensure radical cleric Abu Qatada is given a fair trial "because the eyes of the world will be on them", judges at the Court of Appeal in London have been told.

Lawyers for Home Secretary Theresa May made the claim as they launched the latest attempt to have the 52-year-old preacher deported to Jordan to stand trial on terrorism charges.
The appeal hearing follows a decision by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) on November 12, 2012 to block Qatada's deportation.
Immigration judges ruled then that there was a "real risk" that evidence obtained by torturing witnesses would be used in any trial against the cleric.
At the start of the case in London, James Eadie QC, representing the Home Secretary, said the Jordanian courts could be trusted.
He said: "There is no real risk of a flagrant denial of justice. The Jordanian courts will consider all the evidence."
Mr Eadie added: "They will do so in the light of the fact that there is likely to be a live issue as to whether or not statements were obtained by torture."
He said there was a prohibition in Jordan against evidence obtained by torture and added: "There is no reason to suppose that the Jordanian courts would approach these issues in a flagrantly unfair way.
"There is no reason to suppose they would not consider all the evidence before them.'"
The case was later adjourned for a decision before Easter.
Mrs May has described Qatada as "a dangerous man, a suspected terrorist, who is accused of serious crime in his home country of Jordan".
UK Border Force officers and counter-terrorism police re-arrested him at the weekend for allegedly breaching his strict bail conditions.
He was detained at his family home in north west London.
On Saturday, SIAC judges ruled he should be sent to Belmarsh prison in south-east London while the alleged breach is investigated.
A SIAC hearing is scheduled for March 21 to consider the matter.
As he opened his argument at the Court of Appeal, Mr Eadie revealed a police search of Qatada's home had recovered mobile phones and other electronic items, which are prohibited under his bail conditions.
Lord Dyson, sitting with Lord Justice Elias and Lord Justice Richards, said the arrest was irrelevant to the appeal hearing.
Edward Fitzgerald QC, appearing for Qatada, said it was "entirely reasonable and rational" to conclude there was a real risk of torture evidence being used against the cleric in Jordan.
He went on to accuse Ms May of "seeking to create points of law where none in fact exist".
Qatada has been convicted in absentia by the Jordanian courts of plotting terror attacks against Israeli and western targets.
If returned to Jordan, where he grew up, the radical preacher would face a fresh trial.
For much of the last decade, Qatada has been detained in UK jails, having never been charged or convicted of any crime in this country.
For several years, he has been fighting a high-profile battle against deportation, using human rights laws.
Successive Home Secretaries have tried, but so far failed, to deport him.
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If the Lawyers once more refuse to allow Qatada to be deported I think the Home Office should overrule their decision and put Qatada and his family be put on the next plane , with their Passports confiscated and flown to the Country he was born in.

Mark White ‏@skymarkwhite 14m

BREAKING - The Home Secretary has lost her latest bid to have the radical cleric Abu #Qatada deported to Jordan


This country makes me despair......