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Post  tanszi Thu 4 Jul - 14:40

I find it unbelievable that someone who is so clearly biased towards the parents raising funds for the search for Madeleine, should be in charge of an investigation into her disappearance.  Impartial, I don't think so.

I agree AnnaEsse, load of nothing, just wanted to make a big do about nothing. What has he said publiclythat hasn't been said by anyone else in this investigation, except the Chief Constable of Leicestershire. didn't Sir BHH say at one point there would be no budget restrictions on this investigation. makes you wonder why they want their names in the media on this.
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Post  quickfingers Thu 4 Jul - 14:41

I like this from the DM site:

Parents Gerry and Kate McCann along with their travelling friends known as the 'Tapas Nine' are not suspects

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Post  mossman Thu 4 Jul - 14:45

Keela wrote:If they believe there is a chance she is still alive, how do they square the fact that a specialist dog indicated the smell of cadaverine? If it wasn't this particular smell then I don't like Kate's choice of perfume. I don't see how they can disregard this aspect. Dogs can't be persuaded to lie or even instructed to lie. They do what they are trained to do and that is detect.

I completely agree with what you say. However from SY point of view the more they say, the more questions are asked and more speculation. If they state they think she is dead then they have to say why and how. By stating she may be alive, it avoids other questions. The same as stating the the Tapas are not amongst the 38 persons of interest, it ends that discussion. If they stated they wish to speak to them again, all hell would break loose, press speculation, more questions and the media circus from the PDL days starts again.

Lets wait and see.
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Post  tabs Thu 4 Jul - 14:53

Ok tell me i'm being thick but where in the met police statement does it say the parents and the tapas nine are not suspects??
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Post  cass Thu 4 Jul - 14:53

one dead pedo - planted dna - when who knows - get case over to uk - job done -- madeleine went on holiday and got neglected from day 1 and still is - thats it folks
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Post  tanszi Thu 4 Jul - 14:55

when is the libel case with Dr Goncalo Amaral, any know?
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Post  margaret Thu 4 Jul - 14:58

tabs wrote:Ok tell me i'm being thick but where in the met police statement does it say the parents and the tapas nine are not suspects??

It doesn't!
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Post  jassi Thu 4 Jul - 15:02

38 suspects. Talk about trying to hit a barn door with a shotgun - they can't all be guilty and quite possibly none of them are
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Post  Palmeras16 Thu 4 Jul - 15:03

Keela wrote:If they believe there is a chance she is still alive, how do they square the fact that a specialist dog indicated the smell of cadaverine? If it wasn't this particular smell then I don't like Kate's choice of perfume. I don't see how they can disregard this aspect. Dogs can't be persuaded to lie or even instructed to lie. They do what they are trained to do and that is detect.

Cadaver dogs are not infallible, they make mistakes, which is why a dog alert has to be confirmed with corroborating evidence.
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Post  Palmeras16 Thu 4 Jul - 15:05

jassi wrote:38 suspects. Talk about trying to hit a barn door with a shotgun - they can't all be guilty and quite possibly none of them are

They are not suspects, they are persons of interest. People who the police would like to interview as potential witnesses.
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Post  jassi Thu 4 Jul - 15:08

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jassi wrote:38 suspects. Talk about trying to hit a barn door with a shotgun - they can't all be guilty and quite possibly none of them are

They are not suspects, they are persons of interest. People who the police would like to interview as potential witnesses.

Not according to the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk-news/2013/jul/04/madeleine-mccann-police-target-38-suspects

and Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-investigation-38-potential-suspects-identified-8688170.html


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Post  Carolina Thu 4 Jul - 15:15

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Keela wrote:If they believe there is a chance she is still alive, how do they square the fact that a specialist dog indicated the smell of cadaverine? If it wasn't this particular smell then I don't like Kate's choice of perfume. I don't see how they can disregard this aspect. Dogs can't be persuaded to lie or even instructed to lie. They do what they are trained to do and that is detect.

Cadaver dogs are not infallible, they make mistakes, which is why a dog alert has to be confirmed with corroborating evidence.

If the dogs only alerted to certain persons that would be enough for an honest investigation which this is not. The directive from the beginning was not to touch the parents and I am sure that those doing this investigation know very well that the parents are involved. Well, as for me, I am off and I will read not one more line or article or comment about this case any more. Too much for me to see people getting away with a crime when they use PR and connections. I will go off to have a cry against this injustice for Madeleine. I should have seen this coming but I can always hope that when we least expect it that the truth will come out.
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Post  Palmeras16 Thu 4 Jul - 15:19


Yes, you're absolutely right Jassi, there are 38 suspects according to the Guardian. I can understand 38 potential witnesses that the police wish to interview; but 38 suspects?
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Post  Guest Thu 4 Jul - 15:21

Carolina, I can understand how you feel but I won't be giving up my interest in the case.

I just hope that I live long enough to see it being settled properly but I fear that none of us will!



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Post  Palmeras16 Thu 4 Jul - 15:24

Carolina wrote:If the dogs only alerted to certain persons that would be enough for an honest investigation which this is not. The directive from the beginning was not to touch the parents and I am sure that those doing this investigation know very well that the parents are involved. Well, as for me, I am off and I will read not one more line or article or comment about this case any more. Too much for me to see people getting away with a crime when they use PR and connections. I will go off to have a cry against this injustice for Madeleine. I should have seen this coming but I can always hope that when we least expect it that the truth will come out.

It's not over until the fat lady sings Carolina. I believe there will be a resolution to this case. Not necessarily the outcome that will please everyone but, hopefully, the truth of what really happened to Madeleine McCann.
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Post  AnnaEsse Thu 4 Jul - 15:26

Palmeras16 wrote:
jassi wrote:38 suspects. Talk about trying to hit a barn door with a shotgun - they can't all be guilty and quite possibly none of them are

They are not suspects, they are persons of interest. People who the police would like to interview as potential witnesses.

Persons of interest quite often turn into suspects.

Person of Interest Law & Legal Definition
Unlike "suspect" and "material witness," "person of interest" has no legal definition, but generally refers to someone law enforcement authorities would like to speak with or investigate further in connection with a crime. It may be used, rather than calling the person a suspect, when they don't want their prime suspect to know they're watching him closely. Critics complain that the term has become a method for law enforcement officers to draw attention to individuals without formally accusing them.

There is concern among critics that innocent people will be tainted by being labelled a person of interest.

The use of the term increased in popularity in 1996, after investigators and reporters named Atlanta security guard Richard Jewell as potentially responsible for the Olympic Park bombing. He was later cleared and won at least hundreds of thousands of dollars in settlements due to his claim that his reputation was forever ruined.


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Post  cass Thu 4 Jul - 15:38

Carolina wrote:
Palmeras16 wrote:
Keela wrote:If they believe there is a chance she is still alive, how do they square the fact that a specialist dog indicated the smell of cadaverine? If it wasn't this particular smell then I don't like Kate's choice of perfume. I don't see how they can disregard this aspect. Dogs can't be persuaded to lie or even instructed to lie. They do what they are trained to do and that is detect.

Cadaver dogs are not infallible, they make mistakes, which is why a dog alert has to be confirmed with corroborating evidence.

If the dogs only alerted to certain persons that would be enough for an honest investigation which this is not. The directive from the beginning was not to touch the parents and I am sure that those doing this investigation know very well that the parents are involved. Well, as for me, I am off and I will read not one more line or article or comment about this case any more. Too much for me to see people getting away with a crime when they use PR and connections. I will go off to have a cry against this injustice for Madeleine. I should have seen this coming but I can always hope that when we least expect it that the truth will come out.
i have cried too many a time - i dont believe there will be justice - what is justice though - the truth - that was burried ages ago -- name and shame - papers hitting hard - thats only justice that will happen ---maybe
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Post  mossman Thu 4 Jul - 15:42

Palmeras16 wrote:
Carolina wrote:If the dogs only alerted to certain persons that would be enough for an honest investigation which this is not. The directive from the beginning was not to touch the parents and I am sure that those doing this investigation know very well that the parents are involved. Well, as for me, I am off and I will read not one more line or article or comment about this case any more. Too much for me to see people getting away with a crime when they use PR and connections. I will go off to have a cry against this injustice for Madeleine. I should have seen this coming but I can always hope that when we least expect it that the truth will come out.

It's not over until the fat lady sings Carolina. I believe there will be a resolution to this case. Not necessarily the outcome that will please everyone but, hopefully, the truth of what really happened to Madeleine McCann.


There can be no outcome to this case that can please anybody. Despite her parents protests that there is no proof she has been harmed, the fact is she has been harmed. She was harmed the moment she was left alone in the dark in a strange place. If the truth is uncovered it will be justice for a little girl but the truth cannot and will not be pleasing in any way shape or form.
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Post  cass Thu 4 Jul - 15:48

thats just it mossman - for there to be a remote chance of abduction - the mcanns have to put their hands up and the tapas and say they lied - about jemmied shutters the checks they made - infact they will have to say they lied about a lot of things - questions will be asked forever - bring out dead pedo - but what did eddie and keela know - unanswered questions forever - they will take the answerers to their graves
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Post  Guest Thu 4 Jul - 15:55

quickfingers wrote:I can't see where it says they are ruled out.  

Neither can I!
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Post  Justiceforallkids Thu 4 Jul - 16:06

i for one am not going anywhere thats what the pros and mcanns want us to do!!! and i dont take kindley to orders i dont know about anyone else but im going nowhere!!!
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Post  jassi Thu 4 Jul - 16:11

Iris wrote:
quickfingers wrote:I can't see where it says they are ruled out.  

Neither can I!

The Guardian article says that the Taps 9 are not amongst the 38, which is being interpreted as being ruled out.
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Post  tanszi Thu 4 Jul - 16:16

does anyone else think this is in response to the huge outcry there has been of late into why so much is being spent and concentrated on one child who disappeared in Portugal and not in the UK?
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Post  jeanmonroe Thu 4 Jul - 16:16

If the Mets very OWN specialist dogs alerted/indicated in a house in this country, UK, where they suspected a crime had been commited, would they totally IGNORE what their own dogs were alerting to as totally unreliable?

If they did that shouldn't they have the all specialist dog teams, they have, disbanded to save taxpayers money?
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