Madeleine McCann: Key Details 'Were Wrong'

Scotland Yard have a pretty good track record at being stupid and corrupt.

Lioned wrote:Scotland Yard have a pretty good track record at being stupid and corrupt.

Indeed they do, Lioned!

Quite a few on this thread suggesting the cheif investigator of the PJ got it completely wrong. Him having seen all the evidence and us not, I'll stick with him and the 3rd.

wjk wrote:IMO, because it all happened on 1st when the Tennis photo was taken and Mrs Fenn heard the crying.

I am happy to see another post with this opinion.

I think the really important question is what evidence is there that Madeleine was there on the 2nd and 3rd.

I believe the 1st was when the group went to a restaurant outside the complex, without the children, and they returned because MW staff went to them and reported the crying. In the early forums at the time this was said.

So this is why it would be strange for parents, good or bad, to leave the children again so soon. Even when they did not care, they would not want to risk more problems with the holiday complex.

Creche records do not seem to be reliable from all that has been said about them.


The other thing I believe should not be ignored is the evidence that says that it was not so normal holiday. The airport bus, very few photos of Madeleine, the night when it was said Kate was angry with Gerry and slept in a different bed, the issues about Payne.

essentially then what The Tortoise is saying is that the existing timeline does not allow sufficient time for an abduction, which essentially is what the PJ have said all along.  Im waiting to see what time is now envisaged that this occurred, and whose visit or sighting or timeline has been hashed.

DavidA wrote:
"I believe the 1st was when the group went to a restaurant outside the complex, without the children, and they returned because MW staff went to them and reported the crying. In the early forums at the time this was said."

This is not in the files as far as I know and may be a forum myth anybody clarify?

Hongkong Phooey wrote:DavidA wrote:
"I believe the 1st was when the group went to a restaurant outside the complex, without the children, and they returned because MW staff went to them and reported the crying. In the early forums at the time this was said."

This is not in the files as far as I know and may be a forum myth anybody clarify?

The only thing I could find is this old thread HkP.
https://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t4007-restaurant-chaplin?highlight=chaplins

Its quite interesting to read over again, it was written 4 years ago.

Sky Newspaper review coming up with Jacqui Hames, the McC's friend from Hacked-off.

wjk:

Again this is only from within a forum and there's nothing in the official files to back this up. Not much point in going down this road if it's all hearsay. I remember at the time a poster (think it was on one of the newspaper forums when they were going) stating she was in PDL at the same time and said the tapas groups behaviour was 'draw dropping' and then went on to tell the Chaplins story. I think this is where it originated from (though I'm probably wrong)

Hope they find Madeleine alive. She would have a lot to say. Just hope she's found alive.

Hongkong Phooey wrote:wjk:

Again this is only from within a forum and there's nothing in the official files to back this up. Not much point in going down this road if it's all hearsay. I remember at the time a poster (think it was on one of the newspaper forums when they were going) stating she was in PDL at the same time and said the tapas groups behaviour was 'draw dropping' and then went on to tell the Chaplins story. I think this is where it originated from (though I'm probably wrong)

Yes, HkP, that's all I could find on Chaplins.

wjk wrote:Sky Newspaper review coming up with Jacqui Hames, the McC's friend from Hacked-off.

I could see a report about witnesses seeing a man carrying a child down a side street,
The Smith sighting??

Yes, twitter is buzzing right now with pros, claiming that the e-fits are made up from the Smith sighting. I suppose that would explain why one of them looks like Gerry McCann, right enough.

Sky saying the PJ made a mistake with the timeline WTF!!!!

Iris wrote:Yes, twitter is buzzing right now with pros, claiming that the e-fits are made up from the Smith sighting.  I suppose that would explain why one of them looks like Gerry McCann, right enough.

It also explains why the timeline is now wrong. Smiths sighting never did fit with the timeline. If they are doing the e fit based on smith, timeline must change.

Smith said he was 60% sure the man he saw was Gerry, don't quote me on 60 I need to check, but it was a high enough certainty. The image does look like Gerry IMO. I shall ring Crimewatch and tell andy not to make any sudden movements, the suspect is behind him !

Anyone watching Sky News?
Its a disgrace!!
Saying the PJ did not follow up the Smith sighting. Excuse me, didn't Snr Amaral want to bring him back shortly before h was taken off the case?

wjk wrote:Anyone watching Sky News?
Its a disgrace!!
Saying the PJ did not follow up the Smith sighting. Excuse me, didn't Snr Amaral want to bring him back shortly before h was taken off the case?

If Martin Smith has been interviewed by SY, and gone to the trouble of co-operating with them to create an e-fit, he's probably also told them all about his "house call" by Brian Kennedy. That should be interesting.

It might be a myth that they went to the other restaurant.  But I'm almost sure I read that there were concerns about children crying and they were offered babysitting or baby alarms.  And they declined.  That might be true or not but I'm almost certain I read this.

MaryB wrote:It might be a myth that they went to the other restaurant.  But I'm almost sure I read that there were concerns about children crying and they were offered babysitting or baby alarms.  And they declined.  That might be true or not but I'm almost certain I read this.

Yes MaryB, I remember that too.

Iris wrote:

wjk wrote:Anyone watching Sky News?
Its a disgrace!!
Saying the PJ did not follow up the Smith sighting. Excuse me, didn't Snr Amaral want to bring him back shortly before h was taken off the case?

If Martin Smith has been interviewed by SY, and gone to the trouble of co-operating with them to create an e-fit, he's probably also told them all about his "house call" by Brian Kennedy.  That should be interesting.

Oh, I really hope so, Iris!
Listening to Jacqui Hames on Sky made me want   again!

Just to remind ourselves what Martin Smith and Snr Amaral said at the time...

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

MaryB wrote:It might be a myth that they went to the other restaurant.  But I'm almost sure I read that there were concerns about children crying and they were offered babysitting or baby alarms.  And they declined.  That might be true or not but I'm almost certain I read this.

Don't think that's in the files either. The PJ had an impossible job right from the get-go with all the lies and cover ups, they did a remarkable job given the circumstances

I agree HongKong Phooey. I have always thought the PJ did an excellent job, in the difficult circumstances they were put in. MayB we must have read the same articles or post somewhere then because that was my understanding. The McCs went to the Millenium Restaurant but didn't go again because the children were tired, twas too far, and they didn't have a buggy! I also understood that Mark Warner had offered baby sitting facilities after Mrs Fenn, or another, reported hearing a child crying for a long period but the McCs declined them.

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MaryB wrote:It might be a myth that they went to the other restaurant.  But I'm almost sure I read that there were concerns about children crying and they were offered babysitting or baby alarms.  And they declined.  That might be true or not but I'm almost certain I read this.

Don't think that's in the files either. The PJ had an impossible job right from the get-go with all the lies and cover ups, they did a remarkable job given the circumstances[/quote




Among the lies and coverups, David Payne said he visited the apartment for 30 minutes; Kate said 30 seconds.