Scottish independence referendum

katertaif wrote:

Panda wrote:Spain is in dire straits financially along with most EU Countries and they know if the Scots win Britain will leave the EU and their contribution will very much affect the coffers .

Cameron is such a wimp , when it comes to be told how noisy your Hoover must be it's time to make a sharp exit.

What has the Scottish decision got to do with what would then be the rest of the UK's membership of the EU? A totally separate thing surely! I would have thought Spain would welcome a Yes vote if anything. An independent Scotland joining the EU as a nett contributor together with us already a nett contributor would between us put more into the communal coffers to the benefit of Spain, Greece, Roumania, Eire, etc. etc.

I thought Spain wanted a no vote. If it's yes then the Catalans will want a vote on their independence.

Panda wrote:Spain is in dire straits financially along with most EU Countries and they know if the Scots win Britain will leave the EU and their contribution will very much affect the coffers .

Cameron is such a wimp , when it comes to be told how noisy your Hoover must be it's time to make a sharp exit.

I don't mind about the Hoovers....I'll have an excuse for my house being dusty

katertaif wrote:

Panda wrote:Spain is in dire straits financially along with most EU Countries and they know if the Scots win Britain will leave the EU and their contribution will very much affect the coffers .

Cameron is such a wimp , when it comes to be told how noisy your Hoover must be it's time to make a sharp exit.

What has the Scottish decision got to do with what would then be the rest of the UK's membership of the EU? A totally separate thing surely! I would have thought Spain would welcome a Yes vote if anything. An independent Scotland joining the EU as a nett contributor together with us already a nett contributor would between us put more into the communal coffers to the benefit of Spain, Greece, Roumania, Eire, etc. etc.

it'll be a helluva surprise if scotland turns out to be a nett contributer given that at present it's a nett receiver.

Schottland Über Alles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2760039/Salmond-s-bullies-hit-blind-man-face-just-supporting-No-campaign.html

Marky wrote:Schottland Über Alles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2760039/Salmond-s-bullies-hit-blind-man-face-just-supporting-No-campaign.html

Bloody disgraceful.  Not only the blind man, but that entire article, likening YES supporters to Nazis.  There are nutjobs on both sides, but the Mail only choose to only show you one side.  Where is the picture of the NO supporters giving Nazi and Quenelle salutes?  Where is the article about the pregnant YES lady being kicked in the stomach by the NO thug?  Or my friends who were sent razor blades in the post because they have YES posters in their window?  (Which Police Scotland are currently investigating, but I've never seen it reported in any paper). Or Andy Murray being told that he should have died at Dunblane because he tweeted that he was voting Yes.

Bigotry and one side reporting is terrible and unfair. The problem is that we tend to ignore it unless we are the victims.
As for the referendum, I don't know why some are so worried. It's democracy at its best. And democracy should always be celebrated not feared. I hope the Scottish people vote en masse and choose what they think is best without letting the scaremongering affect them.

Iris wrote:

Marky wrote:Schottland Über Alles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2760039/Salmond-s-bullies-hit-blind-man-face-just-supporting-No-campaign.html

Bloody disgraceful.  Not only the blind man, but that entire article, likening YES supporters to Nazis.  There are nutjobs on both sides, but the Mail only choose to only show you one side.  Where is the picture of the NO supporters giving Nazi and Quenelle salutes?  Where is the article about the pregnant YES lady being kicked in the stomach by the NO thug?  Or my friends who were sent razor blades in the post because they have YES posters in their window?  (Which Police Scotland are currently investigating, but I've never seen it reported in any paper).  Or Andy Murray being told that he should have died at Dunblane because he tweeted that he was voting Yes.

I couldn't agree more Iris.

My random Google Banner Ad is currently showing an advert for "Better Together" with pictures of Maggie Thatcher, John Major and David Cameron on it. If that doesn't encourage people to vote YES then I don't know what will.

Iris wrote:My random Google Banner Ad is currently showing an advert for "Better Together" with pictures of Maggie Thatcher, John Major and David Cameron on it.  If that doesn't encourage people to vote YES then I don't know what will.

That's enough to put people off for life Iris. Margaret Thatcher I personally have no problem with but I agree in certain quarters she is hated. I thought she was a good PM but then I'm only one voice.

Major the Unfaithful is no advert for anything IMO. They may as well have put Edwina Curry in the next picture. Cameron, seems to be rapidly earning a name for himself whereby the last one to speak to him gets the say. This man is also no advert. Lied about immigration. Lied about the economy. Lied about a referendum on the EU, lied about this renegotiation deal prior to aforementioned referendum. Now he's dithering about the greatest terror threat we have yet faced. As you say, it would probably make Alistair Darling vote Yes

Iris wrote:

Marky wrote:Schottland Über Alles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2760039/Salmond-s-bullies-hit-blind-man-face-just-supporting-No-campaign.html

Bloody disgraceful.  Not only the blind man, but that entire article, likening YES supporters to Nazis.  There are nutjobs on both sides, but the Mail only choose to only show you one side.  Where is the picture of the NO supporters giving Nazi and Quenelle salutes?  Where is the article about the pregnant YES lady being kicked in the stomach by the NO thug?  Or my friends who were sent razor blades in the post because they have YES posters in their window?  (Which Police Scotland are currently investigating, but I've never seen it reported in any paper).  Or Andy Murray being told that he should have died at Dunblane because he tweeted that he was voting Yes.

what's disgraceful is that it's come to this at all and it won't all stop come friday morning. this is not democracy at its finest. this is how things play out in places we call the third world.

This is the first time today I have checked the Press and not looked at T.V Yet. This way saves all the monotony of watching the famous clock swinging left or right.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11104404/Scottish-independence-how-the-vote-will-work-in-60-seconds.html

wouldn't want to be around the poison dwarf about now.

Marky wrote:wouldn't want to be around the poison dwarf about now.

Whose the poison dwarf Marky???  Well, it's all over now and the U.K. and E.U can go back to sleep
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441

go back a page. it's what iris called nicola sturgeon.

Marky wrote:go back a page. it's what iris called nicola sturgeon.

Morning marky,,,,will do, in the meantime I have altered the link so the result and comments are there now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHYdUxVSiJo

I think a little light relief is in order and who better to oblige.

Panda wrote:

Marky wrote:wouldn't want to be around the poison dwarf about now.

Whose the poison dwarf Marky???  Well, it's all over now and the U.K. and E.U can go back to sleep
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441

It is very far from being "all over" I'm afraid. The Better Together shower are going to HAVE to deliver all the extras they have promised. Out of a population of 5 million, 2 million have expressed their deep dissatisfaction and that is not an insignificant minority. The Better Togethers have zero room for complacency and these results would not reassure me, in fact quite the opposite.

Panda wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/1338354/police-probe-glasgow-voter-fraud-allegations

Found this on Facebook.

Iris wrote:

Panda wrote:

Marky wrote:wouldn't want to be around the poison dwarf about now.

Whose the poison dwarf Marky???  Well, it's all over now and the U.K. and E.U can go back to sleep
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441

It is very far from being "all over" I'm afraid.  The Better Together shower are going to HAVE to deliver all the extras they have promised.  Out of a population of 5 million, 2 million have expressed their deep dissatisfaction and that is not an insignificant minority.  The Better Togethers have zero room for complacency and these results would not reassure me, in fact quite the opposite.

pssst...we lied.

Iris, isn't there a clause that the Scots have to wait 30 years to have a Referendum again?

AnnaEsse, thanks, there has been a bit of reporting on the News channels and controversy that Scots not living in Scotland could not vote, and those resident ,yet not born Scots living there could. I think for such an important matter, outside marshalls should have been appointed to stop any intimidation and ensure everyone eligible had a vote.

There's video footage doing the rounds, which doesn't actually look fake, of a big pile of YES votes on a table, but labelled NO. There's also footage of a teller moving a big pile of votes from one pile to another. It may not necessarily be evidence of fraud but it doesn't look good.

http://news.sky.com/story/1338759/alex-salmond-quits-after-scotland-votes-no

Alex Salmond is stepping down as Scotland's First Minister and SNP leader after his country voted against independence.

He said it was the "privilege of my life to serve as first minister".

He added: "We lost the referendum vote but Scotland can still carry the political initiative.

"Scotland can still emerge as the real winner. My time is nearly over."

David Cameron has promised new powers for Scotland as 55% of the country voted to reject independence. with 45% in favour of going it alone.

Mr Salmond said: "There are 1.6 million people who made a choice for independence.

"I think the 1.6 million people will speak and speak loud if there is a retreat from those commitments."