Scottish independence referendum

Marky wrote:ah, you gotta laugh. now salmond want a fair chunk of the military handed over, at no cost of course, so he can form scotland's army, air force and navy. and that folks is how a socialist utopia works. everything's free. someone else pays. 'andsome.

I wondered about the Military Marky , if Scotland does succeed in voting for Independence , how is it all going to unravel ? The Queen has not voiced an opinion but of course the Monarchy will be affected. With hindsight I think Salmond should have made a few demands and threatened a Referendum and Cameron would have conceded the demands rather than face an all out removal of Scotland from the U.K.

Panda wrote:

Marky wrote:ah, you gotta laugh. now salmond want a fair chunk of the military handed over, at no cost of course, so he can form scotland's army, air force and navy. and that folks is how a socialist utopia works. everything's free. someone else pays. 'andsome.

I wondered about the Military Marky , if Scotland does succeed in voting for Independence , how is it all going to unravel ? The Queen has not voiced an opinion but of course the Monarchy will be affected. With hindsight I think Salmond should have made a few demands and threatened a Referendum and Cameron would have conceded the demands rather than face an all out removal of Scotland from the U.K.

nor will the queen voice an opinion. how will it unravel if the vote is yes? unravel is the word. it'll start to unravel from day one. i give it a couple years before it all implodes.

Ah well Marky, the McCanns have had the monopoly here for seven years, Pistorius will be forgotten after  a couple of months so Scotland will have centre stage ad infinitum

I'm gonna watch Andrew Marr now., he has a couple of Scottish Guests.

Panda wrote:Ah well Marky, the McCanns have had the monopoly here for seven years, Pistorius will be forgotten after  a couple of months so Scotland will have centre stage ad infinitum

I'm gonna watch Andrew Marr now., he has a couple of Scottish Guests.

lucky him.

SOMEONE AT MY DAYCENTRE SAID THAT SOMEONE HOLIDAYING IN CARLISLE WON'T JUST BE ABLE TO GO TO EDINBURGH BECAUSE OF BORDER CONTROLS,HENCE TOURISM WILL SUFFER.

Badboy wrote:SOMEONE AT MY DAYCENTRE SAID THAT SOMEONE HOLIDAYING IN CARLISLE WON'T JUST BE ABLE TO GO TO EDINBURGH BECAUSE OF BORDER CONTROLS,HENCE TOURISM WILL SUFFER.

Well for starters Badboy , if Scotland becomes independent a new Passport will have to be issued to every Citizen because they will no longer be Part of the U.K whose Passport is for Members of the United Kingdom. The Passport Office is at this very moment deluged with U.K.
Passport renewals and application. If the Scots win, I think the U.K. Government will let them use their existing Passports for a while.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11098311/Scottish-referendum-David-Cameron-begs-Scots-not-to-leave-the-UK.html


It is too close to call , but the threat of the EU saying Scotland would not be able to join is very undemocratic, but I don't think the Scots would be in a rush to join anyway if they win.

Panda wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11098311/Scottish-referendum-David-Cameron-begs-Scots-not-to-leave-the-UK.html


It is too close to call , but the threat of the EU saying Scotland would not be able to join is very undemocratic, but I don't think the Scots would be in a rush to join anyway if they win.

i think the eu have said that scotland would have to apply to join and the period between application and acceptance is 5 years.

Marky wrote:

Panda wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11098311/Scottish-referendum-David-Cameron-begs-Scots-not-to-leave-the-UK.html


It is too close to call , but the threat of the EU saying Scotland would not be able to join is very undemocratic, but I don't think the Scots would be in a rush to join anyway if they win.

i think the eu have said that scotland would have to apply to join and the period between application and acceptance is 5 years.

They have relented a bit then Marky , to be honest they would be mad to join. I have a feeling the verdict will be NO anyway, older people are worried about the bombardment of negative reporting.

I don't see that they would have any choice other than to apply to join the EU, unless there is actually agreement to them continuing to use the pound and then they wouldn't have the control that they want. I've read it would take about 18 months to get into the EU...assuming they are accepted of course, and that they would not be entitled to the veto and other special arrangements that the UK enjoy...not that I can figure out what they are anyway.

Angelina wrote:I don't see that they would have any choice other than to apply to join the EU, unless there is actually agreement to them continuing to use the pound and then they wouldn't have the control that they want.   I've read it would take about 18 months to get into the EU...assuming they are accepted of course, and that they would not be entitled to the veto and other special arrangements that the UK enjoy...not that I can figure out what they are anyway.  

the uk could actually veto their application.

If it's a NO vote and more powers are given to Scotland over their own affairs, I think it would only be right that Scottish MPs can no longer vote on English issues. Why should they have that privilege?

Marky wrote:

Angelina wrote:I don't see that they would have any choice other than to apply to join the EU, unless there is actually agreement to them continuing to use the pound and then they wouldn't have the control that they want.   I've read it would take about 18 months to get into the EU...assuming they are accepted of course, and that they would not be entitled to the veto and other special arrangements that the UK enjoy...not that I can figure out what they are anyway.  

the uk could actually veto their application.

I doubt that would happen!

Angelina wrote:

Marky wrote:

Angelina wrote:I don't see that they would have any choice other than to apply to join the EU, unless there is actually agreement to them continuing to use the pound and then they wouldn't have the control that they want.   I've read it would take about 18 months to get into the EU...assuming they are accepted of course, and that they would not be entitled to the veto and other special arrangements that the UK enjoy...not that I can figure out what they are anyway.  

the uk could actually veto their application.

I doubt that would happen!

i doubt it also but the path to eu membership will not be an easy one. the eu doesn't need another greece.

Angelina wrote:I don't see that they would have any choice other than to apply to join the EU, unless there is actually agreement to them continuing to use the pound and then they wouldn't have the control that they want.   I've read it would take about 18 months to get into the EU...assuming they are accepted of course, and that they would not be entitled to the veto and other special arrangements that the UK enjoy...not that I can figure out what they are anyway.  

Scotland is one of the wealthiest nations on the face of this planet. There is ZERO chance that the EU won't let us rejoin.

Marky wrote:

Panda wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11098311/Scottish-referendum-David-Cameron-begs-Scots-not-to-leave-the-UK.html


It is too close to call , but the threat of the EU saying Scotland would not be able to join is very undemocratic, but I don't think the Scots would be in a rush to join anyway if they win.

i think the eu have said that scotland would have to apply to join and the period between application and acceptance is 5 years.

It's more than "undemocratic", it is an outright LIE and fortunately most people can see right through it.

Panda wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11093454/Scottish-independence-its-a-scandal-that-half-of-us-are-excluded-from-the-vote.html

Why should people who don't live or work here get a vote?

Iris wrote:

Angelina wrote:I don't see that they would have any choice other than to apply to join the EU, unless there is actually agreement to them continuing to use the pound and then they wouldn't have the control that they want.   I've read it would take about 18 months to get into the EU...assuming they are accepted of course, and that they would not be entitled to the veto and other special arrangements that the UK enjoy...not that I can figure out what they are anyway.  

Scotland is one of the wealthiest nations on the face of this planet.  There is ZERO chance that the EU won't let us rejoin.

I agree, I'm sure you will be accepted. Does it bother you to have the Euro instead of the Scottish pound?

Will you be as wealthy after you have set up a central bank and a financial compensation scheme and a lot of businesses have move their headquarters. Can your country cope with that?

Iris wrote:

Panda wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11093454/Scottish-independence-its-a-scandal-that-half-of-us-are-excluded-from-the-vote.html

Why should people who don't live or work here get a vote?

What about Scots who have had to move with their job to England but hope to return later in life...is it fair on them? Sometimes people don't have a choice and have to go where the jobs are.

Angelina wrote:

Iris wrote:

Panda wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11093454/Scottish-independence-its-a-scandal-that-half-of-us-are-excluded-from-the-vote.html

Why should people who don't live or work here get a vote?

What about Scots who have had to move with their job to England but hope to return later in life...is it fair on them?   Sometimes people don't have a choice and have to go where the jobs are.

big question that. why. too much of a risk i guess.

Iris wrote:Sky just broadcasts a load of rubbish and we should all know that by now.

The only reason Labour are backing the No campaign is because they know damn well that they will NEVER get elected to Westminster ever again, without Scottish votes.  There is quite a large faction of the Scottish Labour Party that are supporting the Yes campaign.

As we move into the last couple of days I feel the Westminster No camp is starting to look farcical. If you vote against independence, we'll give you independence seems to be the new cry. Not that they will spell out what these new powers are or how they will be implemented.

As you say Labour; without 48 Scottish MP's will be hard pushed to form a government so whatever the claims of Alistair Darling, we're better together means I still have a job. Clegg has nothing to lose and perhaps something to gain. Cameron hasn't much choice in his public speeches at least although I suspect privately his opinion may be different.

I know and respect your views; at least you have thought about it. I don't agree as you know, I think we are better together but we'll know on Friday one way or another. Although if it is no I suspect Salmond and Sturgeon will come out with all the tried and trusted excuses and start all over again. that's what they've built their public careers on.

Angelina wrote:

Iris wrote:

Angelina wrote:I don't see that they would have any choice other than to apply to join the EU, unless there is actually agreement to them continuing to use the pound and then they wouldn't have the control that they want.   I've read it would take about 18 months to get into the EU...assuming they are accepted of course, and that they would not be entitled to the veto and other special arrangements that the UK enjoy...not that I can figure out what they are anyway.  

Scotland is one of the wealthiest nations on the face of this planet.  There is ZERO chance that the EU won't let us rejoin.

I agree, I'm sure you will be accepted.     Does it bother you to have the Euro instead of the Scottish pound?

Will you be as wealthy after you have set up a central bank and a financial compensation scheme and a lot of businesses have move their headquarters.  Can your country cope with that?

we wouldn't NEED to be in the Euro. We aren't in it now. Our natural resources aren't going anywhere and neither will all these companies. The ones who are threatening
the loudest to leave eg Lloyds are already registered with their head offices in London anyway.

Angelina wrote:I don't see that they would have any choice other than to apply to join the EU, unless there is actually agreement to them continuing to use the pound and then they wouldn't have the control that they want.   I've read it would take about 18 months to get into the EU...assuming they are accepted of course, and that they would not be entitled to the veto and other special arrangements that the UK enjoy...not that I can figure out what they are anyway.  

Good morning Angelina

Yes I also would like to know what these special arrangements. As far as I can see. While we implement every last directive coming out of the EU. every other country cherry picks what they will and what they won't accept. Then again not only are we one of the increasingly few nett contributors but we get far less of our own money back in "grants" than other countries do. Thirdly our labour market seems to be different insofar as the other member countries take measures to safeguard their labour force and we do not. Not that the ECHR would let us anyway although they seem to let others.

I suspect if it comes to it Scotland will be a nett contributor as well. the question being how long can the contributors continue to repair the damage done by years of ultimate socialism for existing members together with the others lining up to get their fingers in our pockets.

Scotland paying in and what's left of the increasingly disunited Kingdom also paying in simply means that separately we will shell out more than we did as one country. I thought it was supposed to be a mutually beneficial trading bloc. Heath knew perfectly well it wasn't but conveniently didn't tell us that bit.

i'll just chuck this into the arena. £4.6b represents about 10% of scottish tax revenue. spend is about £62b. that's a big hole.




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