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Yes, absolutely. The body had to be hidden at all costs and never discovered.

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So where does that leave all the rubbish that the body was hidden in 5J initially, moved to Burgau, moved to Hualva etc... that people keep spouting on this forum.
I agree the body needed to be not found, but do not believe they would have taken all that risk of being spotted.

duncanmac wrote:

Yes, absolutely. The body had to be hidden at all costs and never discovered.

So where does that leave all the rubbish that the body was hidden in 5J initially, moved to Burgau, moved to Hualva etc... that people keep spouting on this forum.
I agree the body needed to be not found, but do not believe they would have taken all that risk of being spotted.[/quote]

This is where Robert Murat came into it! Property developer, houses all over the place, low season, money(?) blackmail(?) who knows? Someone does?

fred wrote:

duncanmac wrote:

Yes, absolutely. The body had to be hidden at all costs and never discovered.

So where does that leave all the rubbish that the body was hidden in 5J initially, moved to Burgau, moved to Hualva etc... that people keep spouting on this forum.
I agree the body needed to be not found, but do not believe they would have taken all that risk of being spotted.

This is where Robert Murat came into it! Property developer, houses all over the place, low season, money(?) blackmail(?) who knows? Someone does?[/quote]

i used to think murat was involved somehow,but not so sure now,
if he was involved with helping to rid of the body how is it the tapas tried to frame him?

does anyone think any of this info about the gaspars statements will come out tomorrow?
hope we get some new info also.
we got to know about the cloth which was found in mccans 2nd appartment last time.

If Robert Murat was in on it he would be last Person any of the Tapas would have tried to put in the frame, because when questioned I am sure no Man will take the wrap for a death that he never commited, he would have sang like a little birdie, even if it meant he would be charged with helping an abetting the disposal of a body, and no DNA or trace evidence was found in his car or in the Villa.

A Police Officer said on a Crime Programme when a body is removed from a scene where a death took place, the person will hide the body in a place that he feel's he know's and is comfortable with.

Perhaps it was trace evidence in the car cross contamination of articles took place, and this is what the dog's marked.

The cadaver dog did search an Area of PDL, but it would have been impossible to search everywhere, every secluded place, I expect the dog was kept within a certain Radius of PDL.....

RE MURAT
i think murat was duped

i think he knew some of the tapas certainly gerry and who and what they were involved with and with murat being the lonely type thought and was told if he helped them he was virtuly allowed to be part of them .......unfortunately he forgot the ace in the hole ..........................once he did help the tapas who didn,t want him part of what ever it was they were in, tried to frame him , meaning listen we could pin this on you if you ever say anything so just shut up and you,ll be protected..... just my opinion

duncanmac wrote:There is always something that puzzles me about the video of madeleine, the one were she bites her lip and looks up.
She looks frightened, and appears to look UP at whoever is holding the camera.
And yet the camera is being held at eye level to where the child is standing, or is it just me.
Perhaps Sean or Amelie were operating it ?

What a good point, duncanmac - thanks for bringing this up. Madeleine's eyes were sad. When the whites of an eye show a lot (lower) I am sure that means something, like stress.

the one and only big_l wrote:RE MURAT
i think murat was duped

i think he knew some of the tapas certainly gerry and who and what they were involved with and with murat being the lonely type thought and was told if he helped them he was virtuly allowed to be part of them .......unfortunately he forgot the ace in the hole ..........................once he did help the tapas who didn,t want him part of what ever it was they were in, tried to frame him , meaning listen we could pin this on you if you ever say anything so just shut up and you,ll be protected..... just my opinion

I got murat down as the mule supplying the white stuff for the 'parties' recon he wanted in to the swinging scene but jane didnt fancy him.

Lioned wrote:

the one and only big_l wrote:RE MURAT
i think murat was duped

i think he knew some of the tapas certainly gerry and who and what they were involved with and with murat being the lonely type thought and was told if he helped them he was virtuly allowed to be part of them .......unfortunately he forgot the ace in the hole ..........................once he did help the tapas who didn,t want him part of what ever it was they were in, tried to frame him , meaning listen we could pin this on you if you ever say anything so just shut up and you,ll be protected..... just my opinion

I got murat down as the mule supplying the white stuff for the 'parties' recon he wanted in to the swinging scene but jane didnt fancy him.

Lot's of "Media whores" do coke, Clarence has a certain way of "snorting" in derition, I'm not saying he's a coke head, but he does need a "good doctor".

The McCanns curious behaviour as witnessed by Inspector Ricardo Paiva PJ Police Files

Processos Vol X
Pages 2533 - 2534

Date: 2007/09/03

For : Goncalo Amaral

From Ricardo Paiva, Inspector

Subject: Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

During the course of the ongoing investigation, various personal contacts were made by the undersigned with Kate and Gerald McCann, within my task of serving as communication element between the police and the McCann couple.

Within this context, the undersigned was present during various "strange" behaviours by the couple, who gradually began to react in a very negative manner to the increased investigative activity carried out by this police force, especially during the use of the English sniffer dogs for detecting cadaver odour, when more evidence arose in the investigation for the hypothesis of the death of Madeleine McCann.

Several times, the McCann couple said that the attention of the police should be maintained focussing on the abduction hypothesis, which, in the couple's opinion, was the only scenario that occurred and that the police should not forget to continue to investigate the suspect Robert Murat.

Strangely, Kate also made several requests, three months after the disappearance of Madeleine, that the police should take blood, hair and nail tests of Madeleine's twin siblings, because, as she said, she remembered that on the day of Madeleine's disappearance, in spite of all the commotion and noise made by the authorities and other persons who were looking for Madeleine in apartment 5ª of the Ocean Club, the twins never woke up, having been transported to another apartment, they remained asleep, due to which she now presumes that they were under the effect of some sedative drug that a presumed abductor had administered to the three children in order to be able to abduct Madeleine, a situation which Kate refers to being possible according to what she read in a criminal investigation manual given to her by the British authorities, that would have been the procedure of the abductor in the real case involving abduction, rape and murder of the girl.

Today, when the undersigned went to the McCann's temporary residence to notify them of the need to present themselves at the police station to make statements, being able to take their lawyer with them, Kate McCann immediately reacted in a negative manner, making comments such as "what are my parents going to think" and "what is the press going to say when they find out" and that "the Portuguese police is under pressure from the government to finish the investigation quickly".

With regard to Gerald McCann, he constantly insisted in giving the undersigned letters and emails that he was receiving, mostly from psychics and mediums, whom he had selected and which mainly contained information without much credibility about the possible whereabouts of Madeleine and her presumed abductor.

More recently, and even before Kate's interrogation, during a telephone call between Gerald McCann and the undersigned, he made a reference regarding the investigation, that he was certain that the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regard to the death of Madeleine McCann and he said that the police were wasting their time in directing the investigation around the parents.

I bring this to your knowledge.
Inspector
Ricardo Paiva

Interesting .,thankyou vengefulangel

Plus the chuppa chuppa incident and didnt kate ring the pj when gerry wasnt their to say she wanted the twins tested for drugs and when gerry found out she had rang and made an appointment he rang back and cancelled it?

halfamo wrote:Interesting .,thankyou vengefulangel

Halfamo

I had a quick look on the internet for drug testing times and it seems that 90 days is the standard detection time. Funny how Kate had the recollection not before the 90 days were up? Why on earth would the twins be drugged, surely a tall pimply attacker would be difficult to ID by 2 small toddlers in the middle of the night even if he did have a sash window, jemmied shutters and curtains to contend with?

I remember reading a really good point made by a poster on here, that it is possible that the twins know more than we think?

kitti wrote:Plus the chuppa chuppa incident and didnt kate ring the pj when gerry wasnt their to say she wanted the twins tested for drugs and when gerry found out she had rang and made an appointment he rang back and cancelled it?

I must have missed the chuppa chuppa incident, what happened pls?

Im taking it Gerry cancelled before the 90 days were up tssk!

Strangely, Kate also made several requests, three months after the disappearance of Madeleine, that the police should take blood, hair and nail tests of Madeleine's twin siblings, because, as she said, she remembered that on the day of Madeleine's disappearance, in spite of all the commotion and noise made by the authorities and other persons who were looking for Madeleine in apartment 5ª of the Ocean Club, the twins never woke up, having been transported to another apartment, they remained asleep, due to which she now presumes that they were under the effect of some sedative drug that a presumed abductor had administered to the three children in order to be able to abduct Madeleine, a situation which Kate refers to being possible according to what she read in a criminal investigation manual given to her by the British authorities, that would have been the procedure of the abductor in the real case involving abduction, rape and murder of the girl.

Kate just happened to remember. What kind of a mother is that?.

This makes me sick to my stomach, to think she just remembered "months later"

She needs a toe up the a*se and I am being as polite as I can.

"More recently, and even before Kate's interrogation, during a telephone call between Gerald McCann and the undersigned, he made a reference regarding the investigation, that he was certain that the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regard to the death of Madeleine McCann and he said that the police were wasting their time in directing the investigation around the parents."

Smacks of the whole "Find the body and prove we did it" attitude.

"More recently, and even before Kate's interrogation, during a telephone call between Gerald McCann and the undersigned, he made a reference regarding the investigation, that he was certain that the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regard to the death of Madeleine McCann and he said that the police were wasting their time in directing the investigation around the parents."

Smacks of the whole "Find the body and prove we did it" attitude.

With regard to Gerald McCann, he constantly insisted in giving the undersigned letters and emails that he was receiving, mostly from psychics and mediums, whom he had selected and which mainly contained information without much credibility about the possible whereabouts of Madeleine and her presumed abductor.


good old Gerry, helpful as ever.

Kate just happened to remember. What kind of a mother is that?.

This makes me sick to my stomach, to think she just remembered "months later"

She needs a toe up the a*se and I am being as polite as I can.

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I think KM needs to answer this question.
Why did she constantly place her fingers under the childrens noses when they were in the apartment the night of the "Abduction" ??????

vengefulangel wrote:

kitti wrote:Plus the chuppa chuppa incident and didnt kate ring the pj when gerry wasnt their to say she wanted the twins tested for drugs and when gerry found out she had rang and made an appointment he rang back and cancelled it?

I must have missed the chuppa chuppa incident, what happened pls?

Im taking it Gerry cancelled before the 90 days were up tssk!

Chupa chups are lollipops, Gezza was sat on his computer "working very hard" sucking on one and waving it around.

Fred,

And laughing and joking and talking about football! Glad he is able to switch off from his missing daughter.

If fI remember correctly, when Gerry was sucking on his Chuppa Chuppa and joking about football with the Police Liason officer, it was during a tense moment at Police Headquarters whilst they waited to here if a sighting of Madeleine was genuine?

And Kate McCann, that loving earthmother, had complained that the policeman who gave her a lift to hear this possibly heartstopping breakthrough was driving too fast for her liking.

More recently, and even before Kate's interrogation, during a telephone call between Gerald McCann and the undersigned, he made a reference regarding the investigation, that he was certain that the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regard to the death of Madeleine McCann and he said that the police were wasting their time in directing the investigation around the parents.

Strange thing to say at that time to talk about evidence even before knowing what was found and before interrogation.

They found evidence that Gerry didn't know about. All you have to do is look at the "before" and "after" pictures of him entering, and leaving, Portimao police station.

Also think that Kate (as a DOCTOR) would have been concerned about the sedatives used on the twins immediately, let alone as a mother!!!!!

Any normal mother would have been panicking when they didn't wake up, but surely to God, as a DOCTOR, knowing so much sedatives, how they can overdose etc, would have INSISTED IMMEDIATELY that the twins be checked over in a large modern hospital with all the facilities for dealing with drugs overdoses/interactions/adverse affects.

Famous Grouse: Too true, the cocky attitude was wiped off his face when he came out, he looked like he was in shock.