jo yeates

According to the DM, the BF was in Sheffield at the time Jo was in the pub, which, if true, would rule him out. Police also believe that Jo's body may only have been dumped on Christmas Eve / Day as it couldn't have lain there undiscovered for 8 days. If the murderer was someone other than the BF, the crime will take longer to solve...it would also mean that there is a very dangerous man in the Bristol area. Pretty alarming for women living in the region.

According to the Daily Wail today, police think she may have been kept somewhere either dead or alive, from the time she went missing as the area her body was discovered is frequently passed and it would be impossible for her to have been there very long before she was found. Also linking with a previous unsolved murder 14/16 (can't remember which) years ago with striking similarities. I've changed my mind about the bf now and don't think he was involved.

There's a report in the Telegraph saying that a woman driving along the lane with her two daughters late on Christmas Eve saw a man run across the road and jump over a stile..

dazedandconfused wrote:According to the Daily Wail today, police think she may have been kept somewhere either dead or alive, from the time she went missing as the area her body was discovered is frequently passed and it would be impossible for her to have been there very long before she was found. Also linking with a previous unsolved murder 14/16 (can't remember which) years ago with striking similarities. I've changed my mind about the bf now and don't think he was involved.

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Yes I'm starting to think that the Bf can't be involved.

fedrules wrote:

dazedandconfused wrote:According to the Daily Wail today, police think she may have been kept somewhere either dead or alive, from the time she went missing as the area her body was discovered is frequently passed and it would be impossible for her to have been there very long before she was found. Also linking with a previous unsolved murder 14/16 (can't remember which) years ago with striking similarities. I've changed my mind about the bf now and don't think he was involved.

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Yes I'm starting to think that the Bf can't be involved.

I guess she could have stayed in her flat all weekend because of the cold weather and something happened when the BF got back.

fedrules wrote:According to the DM, the BF was in Sheffield at the time Jo was in the pub, which, if true, would rule him out. Police also believe that Jo's body may only have been dumped on Christmas Eve / Day as it couldn't have lain there undiscovered for 8 days. If the murderer was someone other than the BF, the crime will take longer to solve...it would also mean that there is a very dangerous man in the Bristol area. Pretty alarming for women living in the region.

Yes, no wonder women in the area are worried and are already being careful with their own security. As to why people are suspicious of Jo's father or boyfriend, maybe it's because they both seemed certain she was dead? Her father's words seemed to suggest he didn't really expect to see her alive again and her boyfriend referring to her in the past tense seemed to suggest he knew there would be no future for them - I suppose either of these things could be seen as suspicious, because at that stage the police were saying they didn't know what had happened to her so there was still a possibility that she might be found alive. As she'd only been missing a few days it just seemed a little unusual to have lost hope so soon, though realistically it would be hard to keep up hope in the circumstances.

Hopefully the post mortem will give some clues to help the police solve the case. I do hope she wasn't kept imprisoned by some maniac for his own purposes and then killed after several days - that would be a dreadful thought for her parents and boyfriend.

I agree Dimsie that it would be the worst scenario for her poor family to envisage. It would be heart-breaking to imagine her alone and frightened and to wonder if something could have been done to save her.

AnnaEsse wrote:

fedrules wrote:

dazedandconfused wrote:According to the Daily Wail today, police think she may have been kept somewhere either dead or alive, from the time she went missing as the area her body was discovered is frequently passed and it would be impossible for her to have been there very long before she was found. Also linking with a previous unsolved murder 14/16 (can't remember which) years ago with striking similarities. I've changed my mind about the bf now and don't think he was involved.

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Yes I'm starting to think that the Bf can't be involved.

I guess she could have stayed in her flat all weekend because of the cold weather and something happened when the BF got back.

A possibility, but where would she be kept? I imagine their flat would have been thoroughly examined and he would be under close scrutiny so how would he be able to transport her to her final resting place without anyone noticing his comings and goings.

I am getting some strong echoes here.

The assumption is that she was abducted/killed on the Friday night, but there is no reason to be sure of this date. Also, it is now suggested that her body may not have been dumped until as late as Xmas Eve.

Does any of this sound vaguley familiar? Remember, alibis only work if the timelines are correct.

What do you all think about the similarities between this case; Claudia Lawrence, the chef that vanished last March from her home and
Melanie Hall, who vanished after leaving a nightclub in Bath in 1996 (although her body was found 13 years later on a motorway slip road.

IF They are all related, surely this could suggest the taxi driver theory being possible. There was a taxi rank outside the tesco express Jo went to, taxi drivers are generally chatty so I'm sure she would have told that she was on her own. She then might have dropped her keys and coat etc off to grab some money to run back outside to the taxi driver.

With Melanie hall the first place you would go after leaving a nightclub would generally be a taxi rank... and perhaps a similar connection could be made with Claudia Lawrence (although I don't know the full story with this one).

To become a cab driver (apart from the london kind) you don't need a CRB, you don't need any checks and it seems to be a profession where middle aged men who get marginalised from other jobs (due to crime or accusations of crime) seem to take.

Loopdaloop wrote:To become a cab driver (apart from the london kind) you don't need a CRB, you don't need any checks and it seems to be a profession where middle aged men who get marginalised from other jobs (due to crime or accusations of crime) seem to take.

that's one hell of a statement.

this girl lived in clifton, one of the thirty-five council wards in the city of bristol which serves as the unitary authority. all taxi or private hire drivers would have to be licenced by bristol city council using the following procedures...

http://www.bristol.gov.uk/redirect/?oid=Article-id-35267087

...which strangely enough include a CRB.

this i suspect is the standard for the UK.

There certainly do seem to be a lot of unsavoury characters in the business of driving cabs.

Marky wrote:

Loopdaloop wrote:To become a cab driver (apart from the london kind) you don't need a CRB, you don't need any checks and it seems to be a profession where middle aged men who get marginalised from other jobs (due to crime or accusations of crime) seem to take.

that's one hell of a statement. i don't suppose your able to support it but i'm going to suggest that you do.

Well, if I were a man I wouldn't be a cab driver no matter how much money anyone would pay me. My hairdresser's husband is a taxi driver and he knows various other drivers who've been threatened with violence and with false allegations of sexual assault. A dangerous job indeed!

But I know what Loopdaloop means about it being a job that someone with a criminal record could do without having to have a CRB check and I suppose someone with evil designs on young women could see the possibilities in doing such work. I imagine the police investigating Jo's murder will want to have a word with the taxi drivers working in the area that night.

Dimsie wrote:

Marky wrote:

Loopdaloop wrote:To become a cab driver (apart from the london kind) you don't need a CRB, you don't need any checks and it seems to be a profession where middle aged men who get marginalised from other jobs (due to crime or accusations of crime) seem to take.

that's one hell of a statement. i don't suppose your able to support it but i'm going to suggest that you do.

Well, if I were a man I wouldn't be a cab driver no matter how much money anyone would pay me. My hairdresser's husband is a taxi driver and he knows various other drivers who've been threatened with violence and with false allegations of sexual assault. A dangerous job indeed!

But I know what Loopdaloop means about it being a job that someone with a criminal record could do without having to have a CRB check and I suppose someone with evil designs on young women could see the possibilities in doing such work. I imagine the police investigating Jo's murder will want to have a word with the taxi drivers working in the area that night.

sorry dimsie, just edited my post and loop is hopelessly wrong and yes, the police will want to talk to anybody who was out and about in that area at that time.

Were Joanna's keys found in her Flat?, her Coat was but People have more than one coat, if Jo was getting a Taxi then she would have had her Key's in her handbag ready to go, not leave them behind, also the Taxi records of the booking of Joanna calling a cab would be on record, plus the phone records would have the number she dialled for a Taxi, I am sure that has been checked out by the Police, all phone calls received and made out too from her Mobile Phone and land line.


I found it most strange that her Father had said he hoped it was her when the body was found, and seemed to give up after only a few Day's that she was dead, If someone close to you is missing you can only hope against hope that they might have left because that is what they wanted to do that, but that their loved one was out there some where alive and well.
The Boyfriend spoke of Joanna in a past tense before she was found.


R.I.P. Joanna such a waste of a young life.

What happens if she never arrived home at all? but the coat bag keys and mobile did?

The Pizza was over looked and left somewhere else perhaps in a car and the receipt stuffed in a pocket!

Which ever way you look at it. She let someone in she knew, as there was no sign of a break in, or someone with access to keys let themselves in knowing there was no one at home left her belongings and then simply left

Nits

If the Taxi Driver theory is plausible, it still doesn"t explain the missing Pizza. Even if Jo went indoors to get some money, would she have taken her coat off first or just run in to find the extra money she needed.

I agree Taxi Drivers get a lot of stick from late night Revellers, I wouldn"t do their job.!

One thing's for sure. The police would have known within hours if the bf's story checked out, just check his phones pings with phone masts against his route and his story. I do think it's strange though that they didn't text each other during those 2 days and lets be honest the bf would have known not to bother texting as he'd get no reply plus if he'd texted he'd have had to have acted on the no replies, not just ignored it??

Poor Jo, at least her parents don't have to be left in limbo like poor Claudia Lawrences must be.

I don't really think there's any reason to believe that Jo took a taxi. She was a fit young woman with only a small amount of shopping to carry and probably walked.
It's interesting that she went to Waitrose, but didn't buy anything and then picked up the pizza at the Tesco Express. Was she planning to eat it with someone or to have it alone ? It's the sort of easy meal that a young person would cook if they were alone after a drinks at the pub. It's horrible and alarming to imagine that somebody may have been following her. Maybe they just rang at the door and forced their way in when she opened it. Not all doors have security chains and not everyone uses them if they do..Clifton is probably the sort of area where you'd feel relatively safe..

I don't actually find it odd that her father imagined she could be dead before her body was found. If your daughter disappeared and made no contact for days and this behaviour was completely out of character, it would be fairly realistic to imagine the worst...

I suppose it could be that her body was moved to the lane from another spot. Maybe the murderer felt a kind of pity for her family and wanted them to know the truth or perhaps he got a perverse pleasure in letting it be discovered on Christmas Day. Whoever did this is a dangerous and sick individual whose mind must work along very different lines from most.
It could be that the perpetrator is the same as the man who killed Melanie Halls..All I know is that I would be very anxious if I lived in Bristol or had female friends or relatives there..

fedrules wrote:
It could be that the perpetrator is the same as the man who killed Melanie Halls..All I know is that I would be very anxious if I lived in Bristol or had female friends or relatives there..

Could be.... they did arrest someone earlier this year who'd been arrested when Melanie went missing - again, by now though they'd know his movements and whether he can be ruled out or watch closely.

I feel a bit bad now about suspecting the boyfriend...

Why?

Its no different from suspectiing the Mcs

Nits

FreddieFireHog wrote:What happens if she never arrived home at all? but the coat bag keys and mobile did?

The Pizza was over looked and left somewhere else perhaps in a car and the receipt stuffed in a pocket!

Which ever way you look at it. She let someone in she knew, as there was no sign of a break in, or someone with access to keys let themselves in knowing there was no one at home left her belongings and then simply left

Nits

Hi Nits.

That is very possible, that someone else put the item's in the Flat, I do believe the receipt for the Pizza was found in the Flat, but not the Pizza, maybe she shared it with someone who lives close,the Post-Mortem will reveal if Joanna did eat the Pizza.
Nobody knows when Joanna died only that she was alive by the Tesco CCTV at that time stated on the recording.

I doubt that Joanna would be walking around a Country lane in the dark in this Weather at Night, and had an accident, that lead to her demise.

I expect that the snowfall will hold a clue as to when Joanna was placed there, as she was covered in snow, she could have been there for a while and missed by the search Helicopter's because she was hidden by the snow.
The Post-Mortem will reveal some important clues.

fedrules wrote:I feel a bit bad now about suspecting the boyfriend...

You don't need to feel bad, the police will have thought of those close to Jo, also others who knew her, before they thought of anyone else. That's standard procedure, because people are often killed by people they know, and a partner is often involved. Just think of how many men kill their wives and/or their children; in this year alone there seems to have been a lot of these 'domestic' murders. The police's job involves ruling people out as well as ruling them in, and it can take some time to rule someone out and then it's usually because it's been physically impossible for them to have committed the crime (eg, cast iron alibi for being somewhere else when it was committed). We were also told the boyfriend's phone and computer were being examined by the police, which again brought him into focus, but if the police now know everything he said about being elsewhere and trying to contact Jo was true then it looks as though he's in the clear. Thank God, because I think it would compound Jo's parents misery if it had been otherwise.

Whoever did it is a very dangerous person and I hope they're caught asap. The really scary thing is that they might not be caught and that their success in Jo's murder might make them attempt the same with someone else.

Alpine Aster - I agree, the post mortem will give clues that the police can then work on.

Marky - thanks for clearing up the CRB taxi driver stuff.