Re: jo yeates

**kitti** Mon 3 Jan - 23:35

Not much time to cook and eat the pizza then, steve.

8.40 got home and 9.00. Scream.

**Wallflower** Mon 3 Jan - 23:43

SteveT wrote:Wallflower,

Yes, the bins had been taken before the police were aware of the crime.

Hi Steve. Yes, that's unfortunate.

Kitti

Not much time to cook and eat the pizza then, steve.

8.40 got home and 9.00. Scream.

I had not realised that she got hom at 8:40.

**kitti** Mon 3 Jan - 23:48

I thought that was the time she got home...or abouts.

She left the pub at 8pm....went to the waitrose, then tescos then bargain booze and the scream was heard at 9pm.

**zodiac** Tue 4 Jan - 0:37

Loopdaloop wrote:
Marky wrote:
Loopdaloop wrote:Which all leads back to my previous point and the inferences that can be made from the other cases police are investigating in connection with this case (Claudia Lawrence & Melanie Hall)

the possible connection could be a taxi driver.

There is a taxi rank outside the tesco express that Jo went into...

seems kinda strange she would walk all that way to the tesco's express then catch a taxi to go the last few hundred yards.

Looking at your diagram she left at 8pm and was only paying at 8.40pm at tescos - that's over 40minutes of walking so far in the freezing cold! Now she also has shopping to carry and grab some more from bargain booze (wherever that is) so it wouldn't be unheard of to get a taxi the remainder of the way!

Bumping this as it shows timings.

**Dimsie** Tue 4 Jan - 1:37

kitti wrote:I thought that was the time she got home...or abouts.

She left the pub at 8pm....went to the waitrose, then tescos then bargain booze and the scream was heard at 9pm.

Maybe the scream wasn't from Joanna after all? The partygoer had originally put it down to festive high spirits or maybe it was from a tv programme or radio show or a dvd. The partygoer had probably had a few drinks and these could have affected her judgment about exactly where the screams came from or the time she heard them. If the screams weren't from Jo, then that opens up the time window again.

adrianm Tue 4 Jan - 2:09

Wallflower wrote:
kitti wrote:
Wallflower wrote:
SteveT wrote:If the guilty person was in the flat and removed the pizza/pizza packaging to avoid detection, why did they not take Joannes's keys/purse to confuse matters?

Good question.

Because he or she panicked tho why take the pizza is baffling........unless she got a lift home and left the pizza in the car....

Is it possible that the pizza was eaten and the wrapping was all taken as normal by the refuse collectors?

Autopsy would show up what she'd eaten.

Its a very good question, because surely, it would still only be a (serious) missing persons case if the perp had taken the coat, keys and had then disposed of Jo's body in a more efficient manner. What possible reason is there for moving the body if you then go and leave it where it will certainly and quickly be discovered? It could be due to panic or confusion if the crime was not premeditated but, then again, the killer did have the wherewithal to remove the pizza box. And now the police are hinting there could be more than one person involved. I'm baffled... did anyone here ever see Strangers On A Train?

Guest Tue 4 Jan - 7:56

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343805/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Police-refuse-rule-sexual-motive-hunt-4x4.html

well, having just read that i think it might be a good idea to find dci jones something else to do. jo yeates - Page 33 25346

SteveT Tue 4 Jan - 8:30

From the Mail article:-

"But Mr Jones acknowledged for the first time that the murderer might have broken into her £200,000 basement flat in the affluent Clifton area, despite previous police claims that there were no signs of forced access".

-I think this statement will worry insurance companies!

**fedrules** Tue 4 Jan - 8:52

Angelique wrote:I am not entirely sure that Chris Jefferies wasn't arrested to spook the real perpetrator/s - you will remember Jefferies said initially that he saw Joanna with two other people that evening and then denied it. It's quite possible that the Police would not have liked this bit of information out there so they initiated an arrest to cover this statement from Jefferies. Going in at 7 a.m. in the morning would have been normal practice - so that's what they did. Maybe they wanted whoever was responsible for her disappearance to feel the Police were going 'in the wrong direction' just to see how he/they may react/behave. We now know from the statement issued this evening that they suspect there are two people.

Also the statement regarding Joanna not being sexually assaulted before being strangled is puzzling - does this mean that she may been after death ?

Angelique

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If this were the case, why would they be removing objects from his flat ? No, Jefferies is the only real suspect at the moment IMO.

**fedrules** Tue 4 Jan - 9:13

SteveT wrote:Zodiac,

The only reason I can think that a body would be removed from the flat is if the person had a key and would therefore become a suspect.

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Exactly..a random killer would have felt no need to remove the body from the flat so either the perpetrator is someone who had access to the flat and knew Jo or Jo was killed elsewhere. However, this option can be more or less eliminated by the fact that Jo's keys and mobile were found in the flat..

As for the time of death, I read the view of a criminologist that the freezing conditions meant it was not possible to time Jo's death precisely. I suppose the cold would've slowed the onset of the deterioration of the body and would also mean the time of death couldn't been established by the speed of the cooling of the body The two screams heard by a party goer seem to be the only thing the police have to go on.

**fedrules** Tue 4 Jan - 9:18

SteveT wrote:Kitti,

9 O'clock was my understanding. Can't help thinking that someone else ate some of the pizza and therefore removed all evidence, unaware that there was a video of Joanna buying it.

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I agree which would also mean that it is unlikely to be anyone who followed her home from the pub.

**fedrules** Tue 4 Jan - 9:30

Marky wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343805/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Police-refuse-rule-sexual-motive-hunt-4x4.html

well, having just read that i think it might be a good idea to find dci jones something else to do.

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I see what you mean Marky. Is it a case of leaving all options open or haven't got a clue ? Not that you can blame the police, random killers are very hard to catch so, if Jo's killer really is unconnected to her, this case may never be solved....

Guest Tue 4 Jan - 9:47

fedrules wrote:
Marky wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343805/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Police-refuse-rule-sexual-motive-hunt-4x4.html

well, having just read that i think it might be a good idea to find dci jones something else to do.
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I see what you mean Marky. Is it a case of leaving all options open or haven't got a clue ? Not that you can blame the police, random killers are very hard to catch so, if Jo's killer really is unconnected to her, this case may never be solved....

no it may not. having first said there were no signs of forced entry they now say the perpetrator may well have broken into the apartment. have they checked the chimney?

jo yeates - Page 33 25346

**margaret** Tue 4 Jan - 9:56

SteveT wrote:From the Mail article:-

"But Mr Jones acknowledged for the first time that the murderer might have broken into her £200,000 basement flat in the affluent Clifton area, despite previous police claims that there were no signs of forced access".

-I think this statement will worry insurance companies!

If you know how to do it, Upvc windows can be popped apart easily.

fedrules wrote:
Angelique wrote:I am not entirely sure that Chris Jefferies wasn't arrested to spook the real perpetrator/s - you will remember Jefferies said initially that he saw Joanna with two other people that evening and then denied it. It's quite possible that the Police would not have liked this bit of information out there so they initiated an arrest to cover this statement from Jefferies. Going in at 7 a.m. in the morning would have been normal practice - so that's what they did. Maybe they wanted whoever was responsible for her disappearance to feel the Police were going 'in the wrong direction' just to see how he/they may react/behave. We now know from the statement issued this evening that they suspect there are two people.

Also the statement regarding Joanna not being sexually assaulted before being strangled is puzzling - does this mean that she may been after death ?

Angelique
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If this were the case, why would they be removing objects from his flat ? No, Jefferies is the only real suspect at the moment IMO.

So is the boyfriend IMO, there'd be no need for a sexual assault either.

SteveT Tue 4 Jan - 10:06

Margaret,

I never had you down as a cat burglar!

Guest Tue 4 Jan - 10:06

Joanna Yeates 'Not Sexually Assaulted'

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9:58am UK, Tuesday January 04, 2011
Pete Norman, Sky News Online
Police investigating the murder of Joanna Yeates have found no evidence she was sexually assaulted.

Detectives have also appealed for help in tracing a 4x4 vehicle seen near the spot where her snow-covered body was discovered on Christmas Day.
But they also revealed they still do not know when and where the 25-year-old landscape architect died.
Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones, of Avon and Somerset Police, said: "At this stage there is no evidence to suggest that Joanna was sexually assaulted.
"However, I have not ruled out that there might have been a sexual motive."
How Events Have Unfolded
:: December 17: Miss Yeates leaves the Ram pub at 8pm to walk the journey home
:: December 20: Police make first appeal over Miss Yeates's disappearance
:: December 26: Police confirm a body found on Christmas Day is that of Miss Yeates
See full timeline events

Appealing for help in finding the 4x4, he said: "We have had a number of reports of vehicles in Longwood Lane during the late Friday evening and early hours of Saturday morning, including a possibly light-coloured 4x4 vehicle.
"This 4x4 and the other vehicles may be completely unconnected but I urge anyone in that car or any other driver in the vicinity that night to come forward."
Speaking during a news conference, Mr Jones revealed that there were still significant gaps regarding Miss Yeates's final hours.
"I am satisfied that Jo got back to her flat but I'm not able to speculate whether she let somebody into the flat, whether somebody was already in there or whether someone broke into the flat," he said.

Police have spent days searching the flats where Miss Yeates lived
"At this time I cannot say where or when Jo was killed, or when her body was left on Longwood Lane.
"The significant snowfall in the early hours of Saturday, December 18 has a considerable impact on this and I am working with numerous forensic specialists to determine the timings."
The detective also suggested there may be more than one person responsible.
I can assure you, we are determined to solve this crime, and bring Jo's killers to justice
Detective Chief Inspector Phil Jones of Avon and Somerset Police
He said: "I can assure you, we are determined to solve this crime, and bring Jo's killers to justice."
When asked about this comment later, he said: "I think that phrase emphasises that I am not making any assumptions in this case."
Police have warned women not to walk home alone after dark following the discovery of Miss Yeates's body on Christmas Day.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Article/201009115879157

**margaret** Tue 4 Jan - 10:30

SteveT wrote:Margaret,

I never had you down as a cat burglar!

lol, can you imagine how shocked we were when we had some windows fitted??

whatsupdoc Tue 4 Jan - 11:09

margaret wrote:
SteveT wrote:Margaret,

I never had you down as a cat burglar!

lol, can you imagine how shocked we were when we had some windows fitted??

I watched the workmen change some double glazed units at the rear of us and it is so easy to remove the glass from the frame.

A neighbour was broken into by burglars lifting the sliding patio door off it's track. I would hope a new design stops this method.

**T4two** Tue 4 Jan - 11:16

whatsupdoc wrote:
margaret wrote:
SteveT wrote:Margaret,

I never had you down as a cat burglar!

lol, can you imagine how shocked we were when we had some windows fitted??

I watched the workmen change some double glazed units at the rear of us and it is so easy to remove the glass from the frame.

A neighbour was broken into by burglars lifting the sliding patio door off it's track. I would hope a new design stops this method.

Not Everest by any chance? jo yeates - Page 33 303636

Guest Tue 4 Jan - 11:21

fedrules wrote:
SteveT wrote:Kitti,

9 O'clock was my understanding. Can't help thinking that someone else ate some of the pizza and therefore removed all evidence, unaware that there was a video of Joanna buying it.
'
I agree which would also mean that it is unlikely to be anyone who followed her home from the pub.

Wasn't 9 o' clock the time given by Chris Jeffries as when he saw Jo outside the flats with two men ?
This then could have been taken on board by the police after the extensive interview and who are now saying two men could be involved?

Guest Tue 4 Jan - 13:43

Facebook used in hunt for Jo Yeates' killer

The body of Jo Yeates was found near Bristol on Christmas Day

Detectives have begun a Facebook campaign in a bid to catch the killer of Jo Yeates.

Her body was found on Christmas Day, in Longwood Lane, Failand, eight days after she was reported missing from her home in Clifton, Bristol.

The campaign involves an advert that will allow people to contact the incident room via the social networking site rather than calling in.

Police said Facebook was more effective than posters and leaflet drops.

Detectives investigating the murder of the 25-year-old landscape architect have said there was no evidence she was sexually assaulted, but they have not ruled out a sexual motive.

The force has appealed for sightings of a 4x4 seen near to where her body was found.

'63,000 views'
Her landlord, Chris Jefferies, 65, who was arrested on suspicion of her murder, is free on bail.

Det Ch Insp Phil Jones, of Avon and Somerset Police, said he hoped the Facebook appeal would encourage more people to come forward with information.

The force has already received 260 messages through the website
"The majority of people these days are spending time on Facebook and other social networking sites; this has become part of everyday routine for many people," he said.

"This advert allows us to point people to special features on our website with all the latest information, it allows them to contact the incident room direct online rather than calling in.

"I would once again urge anyone who may have not contacted my team and may have information that could help this enquiry to contact us. Let us decide if this information is significant."

He said police had successfully used Facebook in a number of high-profile cases because information could be shared more widely than by poster.

Scott Fulton, head of e-services at the force, said: "On this inquiry alone we have had shares of the story from the force's Facebook page of 24,220.

"Additionally there have been over 63,000 views of the news updates on our website, a further 18,000 on the dedicated Jo page and over 70,000 views of the CCTV clips on our YouTube channel.

'Dangerous chemicals'
"Through the website we have had 260 inbound messages to the incident room through the website."

Crime scene investigators are continuing to examine Miss Yeates' flat in Canynge Road.

There was a sign outside the building saying "Do not enter, dangerous chemicals" and officers wearing white suits came out of the flat wearing masks.

A number of uniformed officers were also seen entering Mr Jefferies' flat on the opposite side of the building.

Miss Yeates was last seen at about 2000 GMT on 17 December after she had been drinking with colleagues in the Bristol Ram pub in Park Street in the city.

She visited three shops on the way home and was filmed on CCTV.

She bought a pizza in one of the stores - the receipt was discovered in her flat but no evidence of the pizza or the packaging has been found.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12112077

**zodiac** Tue 4 Jan - 14:25

fedrules wrote:
SteveT wrote:Zodiac,

The only reason I can think that a body would be removed from the flat is if the person had a key and would therefore become a suspect.
'
Exactly..a random killer would have felt no need to remove the body from the flat so either the perpetrator is someone who had access to the flat and knew Jo or Jo was killed elsewhere. However, this option can be more or less eliminated by the fact that Jo's keys and mobile were found in the flat..

As for the time of death, I read the view of a criminologist that the freezing conditions meant it was not possible to time Jo's death precisely. I suppose the cold would've slowed the onset of the deterioration of the body and would also mean the time of death couldn't been established by the speed of the cooling of the body The two screams heard by a party goer seem to be the only thing the police have to go on.

SteveT,

Also perhaps a person known by the victim and she let that person (or persons) in or perhaps someone she knew who had a key and was there upon her return. Could have been someone trying to disassociate themselves from the crime scene.

Jmo,

If the young woman was killed in her home then surely a random killer would have got out pretty damn quick. Surely a random killer would not have wasted time (and risk being spotted) removing a body from a building and transporting it elsewhere. By transporting the body surely the random killer would have been taking a huge risk of leaving a forensic trail on themselves and in any vehicles used to remove the body and where they may have stopped off en route. Would a random killer risk being spotted on CCTV? Why would a random killer need to move a body?

whatsupdoc Tue 4 Jan - 14:40

T4two wrote:
whatsupdoc wrote:
margaret wrote:
SteveT wrote:Margaret,

I never had you down as a cat burglar!

lol, can you imagine how shocked we were when we had some windows fitted??

I watched the workmen change some double glazed units at the rear of us and it is so easy to remove the glass from the frame.

A neighbour was broken into by burglars lifting the sliding patio door off it's track. I would hope a new design stops this method.

Not Everest by any chance?

No, Storm Seal. I think they went out of business.

Anyone who has a sliding door should check whether it is possible to lift it out with a spade or similar.

SteveT Tue 4 Jan - 14:45

I once got the police round to do a free security check of my house, especially to check some double glazed sliding doors. They were OK.

**Keela** Tue 4 Jan - 14:47

whatsupdoc wrote:
T4two wrote:
whatsupdoc wrote:
margaret wrote:
SteveT wrote:Margaret,

I never had you down as a cat burglar!

lol, can you imagine how shocked we were when we had some windows fitted??

I watched the workmen change some double glazed units at the rear of us and it is so easy to remove the glass from the frame.

A neighbour was broken into by burglars lifting the sliding patio door off it's track. I would hope a new design stops this method.

Not Everest by any chance?

No, Storm Seal. I think they went out of business.

Anyone who has a sliding door should check whether it is possible to lift it out with a spade or similar.

It IS possible to lift out a sliding patio door. When we had our alarm fitted in the UK, the chap doing it showed us how to do it and advised that a piece of wood should be placed behind it to prevent it being lifted out. We have sliding patio doors here in Portugal and we have fitted a bolt which goes through both of the doors when closed and is locked in position. This means that it is impossible to lift them out.

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