Re: jo yeates

Guest Tue 4 Jan - 20:32

[quote="kitti"]First off all, she had drunk half a bottle off the cider she bought from bargain booze so to me that proves that she DIDNT walk in on an intruder.

Of course she could always have drunk the cider on her walk home.

**ann_chovey** Tue 4 Jan - 20:34

Alpine Aster wrote: Why would someone take the pizza that is so strange, some killers take a trophy like earrings or a necklace but a pizza who know's!.

If the pizza were shared between Jo and whoever, the other person's 'bite mark' could have been on any left over pizza leading to ID. Or maybe I've read too many true crime novels. Just guessing. It certainly is a strange case.

**LJC** Tue 4 Jan - 20:39

Strange that when she could have been with friends socialising she chose to go home and en-route buy pizza and cider, and then wish to drink that amount of cider and eat that amount of pizza (if it was all consumed) all by herself. I know people do drink when they are alone, but her partner had just left for the weekend and normally she would probably share a drink and a pizza with him. Therefore, it seems strange that she sort of carried on as normal, eating pizza enough for two and drinking cider enough for two. Unless she invited someone round? That would account for someone else being there. There would be no plates because pizza is finger-food and no glasses probably, just taking turns with the bottle. Is this plausible?

I would like to know more about her relationship with her boyfriend. Were they still as close as they seem in the photographs issued, or were they growing apart? Why would he go away to spend the weekend with his stepbrother and not take her along? Why did he depart earlier on the Friday and not go to the pub with Jo and their other work colleages? Did he finish work early that day? Was she used to him going off for weekends away?

I just have these niggles because I doubt very much she would have wished to eat and drink alone on a Friday night of all nights, so near to Christmas, leaving everyone at the pub.

Guest Tue 4 Jan - 20:45

LJC - from what I have read there were two small bottles of cider - 1 each??

I jus t think that if the BF were involved then the evidence of the pizza would be there, along with the keys, coat and mobile.

**LJC** Tue 4 Jan - 21:03

nannyg wrote:LJC - from what I have read there were two small bottles of cider - 1 each??

I jus t think that if the BF were involved then the evidence of the pizza would be there, along with the keys, coat and mobile.

Possibly, unless he should have been somewhere else at the time. Or, if it was someone else she invited round and that person strangled her, the wrapper would go home with that person.

However, I doubt the murder took place inside the apartment, for reasons given by other posters, that it was doubly hard to get the body away.

Another theory I have is that perhaps she did lock up, take her belongings, take her pizza with her and then, after her murder, the culprit, having keys to the flat, put her belongings back inside the flat? I really think it could have happened any time over the course of that weekend and it has just been made to look like she left empty handed apart from the pizza. It adds to the mystery me thinks.

SteveT Tue 4 Jan - 21:05

I read somewhere that a member of staff in the pub said she popped into the pub 2 or 3 times a week after with her work colleages or with her boyfriend. In other words, a quick stop off after work before returning home to boyfriend/cat (just the cat in this case). She had probably been in the pub for 2 or 3 hours and did not look drunk in the videos. I don't therefore find it strange that she should get some food and 2 small bottles of cider to consume when home. I wouldn't eat in the pub if no one else was eating or wanted to keep costs down

Popping out with the rubbish is definately possible. If she was planning to be with someone, I think she would have bought more cider and another pizza. I agree that it would be easy for her to eat a pizza that size, especially after being at the pub.

blackrose Tue 4 Jan - 21:07

LJC wrote:I would like to know more about her relationship with her boyfriend. Were they still as close as they seem in the photographs issued, or were they growing apart? Why would he go away to spend the weekend with his stepbrother and not take her along? Why did he depart earlier on the Friday and not go to the pub with Jo and their other work colleages? Did he finish work early that day? Was she used to him going off for weekends away?

Something just doesn't quite sit right with the boyfriend for me. It seems extremely odd to wait for four hours before reporting Jo missing, especially after a weekend with no contact and having come home to find her belongings in the flat but no sign of Jo herself.

**ann_chovey** Tue 4 Jan - 21:18

blackrose wrote:
LJC wrote:I would like to know more about her relationship with her boyfriend. Were they still as close as they seem in the photographs issued, or were they growing apart? Why would he go away to spend the weekend with his stepbrother and not take her along? Why did he depart earlier on the Friday and not go to the pub with Jo and their other work colleages? Did he finish work early that day? Was she used to him going off for weekends away?

Something just doesn't quite sit right with the boyfriend for me. It seems extremely odd to wait for four hours before reporting Jo missing, especially after a weekend with no contact and having come home to find her belongings in the flat but no sign of Jo herself.

Agree Blackrose. Jo said she was going to stay at home and make mince pies and get ready for Christmas. So bf gets home , she's isn't there, the cat is 'going mad', so the cat obviously has been alone for a while, her belongings are there , yet she is absent and he waits 4 hours before reporting her missing. combined with the lack of replies to his texts. Did they fall out before his trip to Sheffield? Something out of kilter here.

**Alpine Aster** Tue 4 Jan - 21:26

ann_chovey wrote:Alpine Aster wrote: Why would someone take the pizza that is so strange, some killers take a trophy like earrings or a necklace but a pizza who know's!.

If the pizza were shared between Jo and whoever, the other person's 'bite mark' could have been on any left over pizza leading to ID. Or maybe I've read too many true crime novels. Just guessing. It certainly is a strange case.

Indeed Ann it is a strange Case, it could be very close to home something is not right about it all, no sexual attack, no robbery, there has to be a motive.

Guest Tue 4 Jan - 21:55

Exclusive: Criminal Profiler Aiding Jo Police

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Martin Brunt, crime correspondent, in Bristol
Police hunting the killer of landscape architect Joanna Yeates have brought in a criminal profiler to help in the murder inquiry.

The clinical forensic psychologist, who has helped in several high-profile investigations, is advising detectives on the likely profile of the killer.
It is understood he has only recently joined the squad hunting the murderer of 25-year-old Ms Yeates, whose body was found dumped outside Bristol on Christmas Day.
He will study the evidence gathered so far and advise police on the likely background, mentality and motive of her killer.

Police are continuing their examination of Ms Yeates' Bristol flat
The involvement of a profiler is intended to narrow down the number of potential suspects, but some detectives are dubious about their contributions.
The expert has joined the investigation after senior officers asked for help from the National Policing Improvement Agency, a centre of excellence which provides experts for forces with difficult cases.
There are a dozen or so experienced criminal profilers, whose role was glamourised in the TV series Cracker.
Avon and Somerset Police are continuing to appeal to the public for any information and have now turned to Facebook in a bid to help find the killer.
How Events Have Unfolded
:: December 17: Miss Yeates leaves the Ram pub at 8pm to walk the journey home
:: December 20: Police make first appeal over Miss Yeates's disappearance
:: December 26: Police confirm a body found on Christmas Day is that of Miss Yeates
See full timeline of events

Meanwhile Ms Yeates' mother has said she wishes her daughter would walk through her kitchen door.
Chris Jefferies, 65, the landlord of Ms Yeates’s flat in the Clifton area of Bristol, was arrested and questioned for two days last week before being released on bail.
He is still a suspect for her murder, but detectives said this week that her killer "remains at large".

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Article/201009115879890

**zodiac** Tue 4 Jan - 22:12

ann_chovey wrote:
blackrose wrote:
LJC wrote:I would like to know more about her relationship with her boyfriend. Were they still as close as they seem in the photographs issued, or were they growing apart? Why would he go away to spend the weekend with his stepbrother and not take her along? Why did he depart earlier on the Friday and not go to the pub with Jo and their other work colleages? Did he finish work early that day? Was she used to him going off for weekends away?

Something just doesn't quite sit right with the boyfriend for me. It seems extremely odd to wait for four hours before reporting Jo missing, especially after a weekend with no contact and having come home to find her belongings in the flat but no sign of Jo herself.

Agree Blackrose. Jo said she was going to stay at home and make mince pies and get ready for Christmas. So bf gets home , she's isn't there, the cat is 'going mad', so the cat obviously has been alone for a while, her belongings are there , yet she is absent and he waits 4 hours before reporting her missing. combined with the lack of replies to his texts. Did they fall out before his trip to Sheffield? Something out of kilter here.

A neighbour at a party hears a scream yet the neighbours don't hear the cat that has been left in a flat for maybe 4 days! If the cat was left alone and going mad would it have been meowing? I sometimes hear my neighbours cat (the cat is in the neighbours detached house) and it sounds like a baby crying. The meowing is sometimes really loud and it can be really annoying esp in the small hours. Was there a catflap? Given that tennants could not put up nets at the windows, perhaps there was no catflap. If the cat could not get out what would it have eaten? How would it have reacted to it's owner being there deceased? Given that police do not know where and when she was killed it is a possibility she could have been in her flat deceased. Has there been sniffer dogs in the flat yet?

jejune Tue 4 Jan - 22:21

That's a point. If Jo had been killed on the Friday and left in the flat til a later date then the cat would surely have gone to an obvious food source if it was starving. This suggests that either she was killed and moved very soon afterwards, or the cat did have a means to come and go and obtain food somehow.

**Dimsie** Tue 4 Jan - 22:45

zodiac wrote:A neighbour at a party hears a scream yet the neighbours don't hear the cat that has been left in a flat for maybe 4 days! If the cat was left alone and going mad would it have been meowing? I sometimes hear my neighbours cat (the cat is in the neighbours detached house) and it sounds like a baby crying. The meowing is sometimes really loud and it can be really annoying esp in the small hours. Was there a catflap? Given that tennants could not put up nets at the windows, perhaps there was no catflap. If the cat could not get out what would it have eaten? How would it have reacted to it's owner being there deceased? Given that police do not know where and when she was killed it is a possibility she could have been in her flat deceased. Has there been sniffer dogs in the flat yet?

Good point about the cat. Unless it had a cat flap to go in and out of it would have been very hungry, also the flat would have been smelly if the litter tray hadn't been cleaned out. The state of the litter tray, in the absence of a cat flap, would have been some indication to Greg how recently Jo had been there, as obviously she'd have cleaned it out if she'd been there all weekend. But of course if there was a cat flap none of this would be of importance, as the cat could go out to do its business and to look for food.

I wonder what food was in the flat, both for themselves and the cat, and whether this could have given Greg any idea of when Joanna had last eaten there or last fed the cat. Of course, being a man he probably hadn't a clue what food was there for themselves or how many tins of Whiskas or Felix were there for the puss. Pity, because food eaten/not eaten might have given some indication of when Joanna left or was taken from the flat.

Guest Tue 4 Jan - 22:45

blackrose wrote:
LJC wrote:I would like to know more about her relationship with her boyfriend. Were they still as close as they seem in the photographs issued, or were they growing apart? Why would he go away to spend the weekend with his stepbrother and not take her along? Why did he depart earlier on the Friday and not go to the pub with Jo and their other work colleages? Did he finish work early that day? Was she used to him going off for weekends away?

Something just doesn't quite sit right with the boyfriend for me. It seems extremely odd to wait for four hours before reporting Jo missing, especially after a weekend with no contact and having come home to find her belongings in the flat but no sign of Jo herself.

Apparently they spent weekends apart, think her mother said Jo liked space .

I expressed this opinion earlier in the thread re the hours elapsing between getting home and ringing the police. Boyfriend explained it away by saying he had been ringing and texting all weekend but received no replies but it wasn't unusual for her to not to reply .Weird or what ? You'd think if he was on good terms with any of the other occupants of the flats he might at least have checked with them to see if anyone had seen her ?

welshy Tue 4 Jan - 23:03

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/The-Papers---National-Newspaper-Front-Pages-On-Wednesday-January-5-2011/Media-Gallery/201101115879943?lpos=Home_Left_Promo_Region_0&lid=GALLERY_15879943_The_Papers_-_National_Newspaper_Front_Pages_On_Wednesday_January_5%2C_2011

Sorry, front page of the Mirror. Two people seen following Jo.

Guest Tue 4 Jan - 23:08

If any of my cats had been left on their own for four days, you'd soon know about it!!! Whether they could get in and out for the loo or food or anything else. The fact that the cat was "going mad" suggests that it WAS left on it's own for quite a while. The cat could be an important witness!

**fedrules** Wed 5 Jan - 7:17

welshy wrote: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/The-Papers---National-Newspaper-Front-Pages-On-Wednesday-January-5-2011/Media-Gallery/201101115879943?lpos=Home_Left_Promo_Region_0&lid=GALLERY_15879943_The_Papers_-_National_Newspaper_Front_Pages_On_Wednesday_January_5%2C_2011

Sorry, front page of the Mirror. Two people seen following Jo.

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Just heard about this on BBC news. Thanks for posting and a rep point from me..could it be that Mr Jefferies was right, if so I feel another apology coming on, although, of course these two people could have just been walking along the street..

**AnnaEsse** Wed 5 Jan - 7:26

fedrules wrote:
welshy wrote: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/The-Papers---National-Newspaper-Front-Pages-On-Wednesday-January-5-2011/Media-Gallery/201101115879943?lpos=Home_Left_Promo_Region_0&lid=GALLERY_15879943_The_Papers_-_National_Newspaper_Front_Pages_On_Wednesday_January_5%2C_2011

Sorry, front page of the Mirror. Two people seen following Jo.
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Just heard about this on BBC news. Thanks for posting and a rep point from me..could it be that Mr Jefferies was right, if so I feel another apology coming on, although, of course these two people could have just been walking along the street..

I've just looked at the video on Sky News which has stills of the three figures. The one, which the police said is too grainy to be sure it's Joanna, has a dark top and light trousers, whereas in other images Joanna was wearing a light-coloured jacket and dark trousers.

Loopdaloop Wed 5 Jan - 7:34

SteveT wrote:I read somewhere that a member of staff in the pub said she popped into the pub 2 or 3 times a week after with her work colleages or with her boyfriend. In other words, a quick stop off after work before returning home to boyfriend/cat (just the cat in this case). She had probably been in the pub for 2 or 3 hours and did not look drunk in the videos. I don't therefore find it strange that she should get some food and 2 small bottles of cider to consume when home. I wouldn't eat in the pub if no one else was eating or wanted to keep costs down

Popping out with the rubbish is definately possible. If she was planning to be with someone, I think she would have bought more cider and another pizza. I agree that it would be easy for her to eat a pizza that size, especially after being at the pub.

I remember reading in one of the first interviews with the father that he knew something was wrong as the house was a mess and she usually wanted to clean up before her boyfriend got back as she was houseproud so i believe you could be very correct.

With regards to phonecalls and waiting till midnight to call men are generally less neurotic animals than women. Why would it be the norm to think something was wrong if the norm was that she would
Miss calls? I and lots of people i know are rubbish with our phones and answering them so organise via facebook whenever we have time. Its not imperative to answer the phone! Also as i said previously if you live with your partner far away from your friends you will be busy when you are with your friends... ! Maybe its a generational thing.

Loopdaloop Wed 5 Jan - 7:45

welshy wrote: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/The-Papers---National-Newspaper-Front-Pages-On-Wednesday-January-5-2011/Media-Gallery/201101115879943?lpos=Home_Left_Promo_Region_0&lid=GALLERY_15879943_The_Papers_-_National_Newspaper_Front_Pages_On_Wednesday_January_5%2C_2011

Sorry, front page of the Mirror. Two people seen following Jo.

The front page of the times re the sez gangs is interesting too.

blackrose Wed 5 Jan - 7:51

Loopdaloop: "With regards to phonecalls and waiting till midnight to call men are generally less neurotic animals than women. Why would it be the norm to think something was wrong if the norm was that she would
Miss calls? I and lots of people i know are rubbish with our phones and answering them so organise via facebook whenever we have time. Its not imperative to answer the phone! Also as i said previously if you live with your partner far away from your friends you will be busy when you are with your friends... ! Maybe its a generational thing."

It's true that some people are rubbish with their phones.....I'm one of them!! jo yeates - Page 35 25346

However, I do think that because of the journey he was going on and the weather conditions at the time, it would be quite normal for Jo to want to know he'd arrived safely and for Greg to want to let her know.

**AnnaEsse** Wed 5 Jan - 8:09

blackrose wrote:Loopdaloop: "With regards to phonecalls and waiting till midnight to call men are generally less neurotic animals than women. Why would it be the norm to think something was wrong if the norm was that she would
Miss calls? I and lots of people i know are rubbish with our phones and answering them so organise via facebook whenever we have time. Its not imperative to answer the phone! Also as i said previously if you live with your partner far away from your friends you will be busy when you are with your friends... ! Maybe its a generational thing."

It's true that some people are rubbish with their phones.....I'm one of them!! However, I do think that because of the journey he was going on and the weather conditions at the time, it would be quite normal for Jo to want to know he'd arrived safely and for Greg to want to let her know.

I always ask my son and my daughter to send me a quick text when they get home after they have been visiting. Just a quick text, whatever the weather, but especially when the weather is bad, I want to know they are home or arrived at their destination.

SteveT Wed 5 Jan - 8:44

I heard there is another press conference at 9.30 this morning,

**Angelina** Wed 5 Jan - 9:03

What about sniffer dogs? Have they been used in the flat or nearby surroundings?

whatsupdoc Wed 5 Jan - 9:55

Angelina wrote:What about sniffer dogs? Have they been used in the flat or nearby surroundings?

Good point. They would know if Jo was still alive while in the flat.

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