Mark Bridger Charged with Murder

Annabel wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19856153

Morning Annabel, thanks.

what bothers me is that when April went missing, the search parties were using divers, boats with the Police having a face mask with a glass front so they could look down into the water. At the time it was high tide and the water flowing swiftly down the river. What if April was disposed of in the river on the first night ? she could be miles away by now.

With regard to the water cadaver dogs my query is if they can detect whether a body was in the water at one stage and moved with the tide or do they alert only to the exact place a body is. Water moves obviously so does the odour move with it, as opposed to remaining stationary on land ?

Well there was a case in America a few years ago.....a women went missing and the b/f was the suspect but they couldn't find her body.


They got cadaver dogs and searched his home....there's was a hit but no body ....they had come to the conclusion that the b/f murdered her and his brother/s helped dispose off the body. The brothers house was quite close to the river so they searched it and the dogs went outside off the house and smelt cadaver scent all the way to the river and stopped....lifted there noses up and barked out to sea......they could smell the scent In the air...



They found her body in a trunk in the middle off the river.


We don't know if the cadaver dogs were used in or near his house yet.

I think it is going to be very difficult to find April's body because of the tide changes. I remember a case years ago where a Wife went missing and her Husband suspected but the Police could find no evidence. Sixteen years later , her body was found in a Lake and the husband charged and convicted. The reason the body was found was because a Lake doesn't have tides. There has been quite a lot of rain in the area over the last couple of days which might have destroyed clues.

I'm sure the Police have found some evidence to prove Mark Bridger is guilty, will it be announced when he appears on Court tomorrow.?

Annabel wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/994327/april-jones-special-service-in-her-honour

Thanks Annabel, I watched a bit of this on T.V. ......I can't begin to wonder what April's Parents are going through , the husband has a degenerative eye disease which is why he has not appeared in public.

"At the Dfyi Bridge, on the road out of town, water search units took to the river again where levels dropped by around a foot overnight. The search is now focused downriver from Machynlleth."

This is what I mean about the river , let's just hope it doesn't lead into the Sea.

Annabel wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-19856153

lovely dog.

interested wrote:

Panda wrote:I'm just wondering how you can charge someone with Murder when there isn't a body.

While I am not "up" on U.K. laws regarding "charging", I would have to believe the police have some kind of evidence leading them to this conclusion (more than mere suspicion).

In the U.S. it happens more frequently than one might think.

When I posted my comment yesterday I suspected it was the dog that alerted to death which lead the police to charge the suspect with murder. I hope when all is known there is great emphasis placed on the reliability of the dog which should give the McC's pause for thought.

I'm still waiting to hear if the McCanns are offering any support to April's family in the sad event that her little body is not recovered soon or do they still consider her as "abducted".

Given the dog alerts in both cases, how can April be considered murdered but Madeleine as abducted?

interested wrote:

interested wrote:

Panda wrote:I'm just wondering how you can charge someone with Murder when there isn't a body.

While I am not "up" on U.K. laws regarding "charging", I would have to believe the police have some kind of evidence leading them to this conclusion (more than mere suspicion).

In the U.S. it happens more frequently than one might think.

When I posted my comment yesterday I suspected it was the dog that alerted to death which lead the police to charge the suspect with murder. I hope when all is known there is great emphasis placed on the reliability of the dog which should give the McC's pause for thought.

I'm still waiting to hear if the McCanns are offering any support to April's family in the sad event that her little body is not recovered soon or do they still consider her as "abducted".

Given the dog alerts in both cases, how can April be considered murdered but Madeleine as abducted?

Yes - it will be very interesting if it transpires that it was as a result of a cadaver dog alert/s that it was agreed there were grounds to arrest Mark Bridger for murder.

Panda wrote:I think it is going to be very difficult to find April's body because of the tide changes. I remember a case years ago where a Wife went missing and her Husband suspected but the Police could find no evidence. Sixteen years later , her body was found in a Lake and the husband charged and convicted. The reason the body was found was because a Lake doesn't have tides. There has been quite a lot of rain in the area over the last couple of days which might have destroyed clues.

I'm sure the Police have found some evidence to prove Mark Bridger is guilty, will it be announced when he appears on Court tomorrow.?

Hi Panda

It was the CPS who studied the evidence before them and told the police to charge Mark Bridger, with the murder of April, abducting a child and perverting the course of justice.

No one will be allowed to say Mark Bridger is guilty, when he appears in the Magistrates Court tomorrow, where he will be sent for trial to a Crown Court. When he appears in the Crown Court, if he pleads not guilty, the only person who can say he is guilty, will be the foreman of the jury.

Bridger will be presumed innocent, until he is found guilty by the jury.

By the way Panda, I am only speaking from a legal point of view. The evidence that has been found, must have been enough to show that Bridger is guilty of the offences against April.

Police charged a man with murder yesterday..

Today they say this:

Police Superintendent: There's still hope for April Jones
Superintendent Ian John has insisted that police still hope to find missing five-year-old April Jones alive.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/police-superintendent-theres-still-hope-for-april-jones-569677.html

weissnicht wrote:

Police charged a man with murder yesterday..

Today they say this:

Police Superintendent: There's still hope for April Jones
Superintendent Ian John has insisted that police still hope to find missing five-year-old April Jones alive.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/police-superintendent-theres-still-hope-for-april-jones-569677.html

This makes no sense at all..unless I am missing something

very confused now.

"still hope for April" ? Has a cadaver dog alerted somewhere but no collaborating evidence to say who's body it is?wonder if a 88%dna match would be enough for a conviction
What could be the...perverting the course of justice charge come from most guilty people would lie to the police under caution,does anyone have a clue to what this could be

matthew wrote:"still hope for April" ? Has a cadaver dog alerted somewhere but no collaborating evidence to say who's body it is?wonder if a 88%dna match would be enough for a conviction
What could be the...perverting the course of justice charge come from most guilty people would lie to the police under caution,does anyone have a clue to what this could be

Would a confession to murder but refusal to say where the little girl is to be found lead to the perverting the course of justice charge ? I have no idea if it would, just a guess / question.

Not sure Mossman,seems a strange charge under the circumstances

a small video of the search,interesting comment from the dog handler



he looks the absolute spit of someone i know & work close too from time to time...will be having a word for his sake i hope its not...i will chew his ear off

This report in an Irish paper was discussed earlier on the Jill Havern forum and the conclusion was reached that it's a misunderstanding of a police statement that they hope to find April but that she won't be alive.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/05/april-jones-search-murder-inquiry?newsfeed=true

The Vicar/Priest? in the Church service made a particular point of remarking that it was unlikely April would be found but that she was "safe in the arms of Jesus". It was quite incredible , hundreds who could not get into the Church stood outside. A BBC Reporter said the Country had never seen anything like this before, experts from all over the U.K, giving their expertise for nothing , hardly having any sleep, the population of Machynthleth showing a quiet dignity through it all.Could the CPS have been forced to make a decision because the time was almost up to either charge the suspect or let him go?

All I can think is there must have been some evidence in the Cottage to make him a suspect.

Was the Ambassador for Missing People at the service? If not, why not?

It's one thing having fancy titles, medals and laurel crowns thrust onto you, but it's another thing entirely showing that they fit!

malena stool wrote:Was the Ambassador for Missing People at the service? If not, why not?

It's one thing having fancy titles, medals and laurel crowns thrust onto you, but it's another thing entirely showing that they fit!

The Ambassador for Missing People and the person charged with April's murder appear to have at least one thing in common; both don't want to answer pertinent questions.

interested wrote:

malena stool wrote:Was the Ambassador for Missing People at the service? If not, why not?

It's one thing having fancy titles, medals and laurel crowns thrust onto you, but it's another thing entirely showing that they fit!

The Ambassador for Missing People and the person charged with April's murder appear to have at least one thing in common; both don't want to answer pertinent questions.

I have a sneaky feeling Kate's appointment has been rescinded because of all the bad publicity received at the news. It is also noticeable that the McCanns never used this opportunity to appear on T.V. , or issue a Press Statement that they hope April is found and that their thoughts are with the Parents etc.

Panda wrote:

interested wrote:

malena stool wrote:Was the Ambassador for Missing People at the service? If not, why not?

It's one thing having fancy titles, medals and laurel crowns thrust onto you, but it's another thing entirely showing that they fit!

The Ambassador for Missing People and the person charged with April's murder appear to have at least one thing in common; both don't want to answer pertinent questions.

I have a sneaky feeling Kate's appointment has been rescinded because of all the bad publicity received at the news. It is also noticeable that the McCanns never used this opportunity to appear on T.V. , or issue a Press Statement that they hope April is found and that their thoughts are with the Parents etc.

Looking at the website this morning there are four Ambassadors listed, none of whom are Kate McCann. Was she previously shown with a glowing photograph on the site ?

Clarrie did make a statement on their behalf at the outset of April's disappearance. Nothing since though, as far as I am aware.

mossman wrote:

Panda wrote:

interested wrote:

malena stool wrote:Was the Ambassador for Missing People at the service? If not, why not?

It's one thing having fancy titles, medals and laurel crowns thrust onto you, but it's another thing entirely showing that they fit!

The Ambassador for Missing People and the person charged with April's murder appear to have at least one thing in common; both don't want to answer pertinent questions.

I have a sneaky feeling Kate's appointment has been rescinded because of all the bad publicity received at the news. It is also noticeable that the McCanns never used this opportunity to appear on T.V. , or issue a Press Statement that they hope April is found and that their thoughts are with the Parents etc.

Looking at the website this morning there are four Ambassadors listed, none of whom are Kate McCann. Was she previously shown with a glowing photograph on the site ?

Clarrie did make a statement on their behalf at the outset of April's disappearance. Nothing since though, as far as I am aware.

Morning mossman , Yes , when you think of it Kate did not look too happy in the photo released when her appointment was announced and since the McCanns are susceptible to criticism maybe she changed her mind. In my post about how little the McCanns have been in the spotlight lately , this is another example.

Panda wrote:

mossman wrote:

Panda wrote:

interested wrote:

malena stool wrote:Was the Ambassador for Missing People at the service? If not, why not?

It's one thing having fancy titles, medals and laurel crowns thrust onto you, but it's another thing entirely showing that they fit!

The Ambassador for Missing People and the person charged with April's murder appear to have at least one thing in common; both don't want to answer pertinent questions.

I have a sneaky feeling Kate's appointment has been rescinded because of all the bad publicity received at the news. It is also noticeable that the McCanns never used this opportunity to appear on T.V. , or issue a Press Statement that they hope April is found and that their thoughts are with the Parents etc.

Looking at the website this morning there are four Ambassadors listed, none of whom are Kate McCann. Was she previously shown with a glowing photograph on the site ?

Clarrie did make a statement on their behalf at the outset of April's disappearance. Nothing since though, as far as I am aware.

Morning mossman , Yes , when you think of it Kate did not look too happy in the photo released when her appointment was announced and since the McCanns are susceptible to criticism maybe she changed her mind. In my post about how little the McCanns have been in the spotlight lately , this is another example.

My thought at the time of the announcement of Saint Kate receiving her 'Ambassadorial' role, was that they were extracting the urine by awarding her the post, perhaps they were.........

Kate is still there in all her (lack of) glory.

http://www.missingpeople.org.uk/missing-people/about/kate

The horrible photo of her is still on the home page too.