Mark Bridger Charged with Murder

cass wrote:so in a nut shell --- april has died at the hands of mark bridges -- fact --- and no body found --- yet madeleine mcann is still findable after 5 years -- wonder if sy may be changing their minds very soon -- i think not --- unbelieveble isnt it --- unless mb has confessed how do they know for sure april is dead ?

Yes it is unbelievable that after five days and no body, it has been determined that poor little April was murdered; but after FIVE YEARS Madeleine McCann is still considered abducted despite the fact that her mother refuses to answer law enforcement questions regarding her disappearance. That is something she shares in common with the person charged with April's murder. Surely Kate McCann AT THE VERY LEAST should have also been charged with "intent to pervert the course of justice".

chrissie, we are getting a different picture now. There is a possibility that the White Van was used initially and April was taken to his House where something happened and April died, A black bag was used to cover her up and she was put in the river .Bridger goes to the Garage in the van and leaves in the Blue Car. No doubt this theory will get shot down in flames and the way things are going with April's Family , they might even have been in cahoots. April's Mother is lighting a Lantern tonight at 7pm !!!!!

Panda wrote:chrissie, we are getting a different picture now. There is a possibility that the White Van was used initially and April was taken to his House where something happened and April died, A black bag was used to cover her up and she was put in the river .Bridger goes to the Garage in the van and leaves in the Blue Car. No doubt this theory will get shot down in flames and the way things are going with April's Family , they might even have been in cahoots. April's Mother is lighting a Lantern tonight at 7pm !!!!!

I think there could be simple explanations for details given by witnesses. He was driving up and down the road in the estate at 6pm on the Monday? Well, he was going to the parents' evening (or coming from it - not sure) and he may have been just looking for someone he had arranged to meet. Looking agitated on the Tuesday morning? Trying to get to the garage with the Land Rover before it totally clapped out?

Bridger, as far as I know, has not been identified as the man carrying the black bag. We have not been told about that if he has been. He has also not been associated with a white van. There are images of a white van, that could match the children's descriptions, not far from the estate. The images are clear and I'm sure the police could lift the reg number and trace the registered owner.

I think we need to steer clear of making connections where there is no evidence of them so far. He has been charged, but has not entered a plea yet.

The description the children gave of the vehicle April got into, was a van that was small at the front and big at the back. In my opinion the children could have easily described Mark Bridger's Land Rover as a van, because it is more of a van shape than a car shape.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/april-jones-police-in-plea-for-information-1359572

The children may have got the colour wrong, but they helped the police figure out that the vehicle April got into, was a left-hand drive, when they said April got into the car on the left hand side.

I guess we will have to see what evidence the prosecution offer, when and if Mark Bridger goes to trial.

The BBC1 news just said that police are stopping cars on the bridge and asking occupants where they were at the time April went missing. This doesn''t sound like a police force who are confident they have the right man. I can't quite put my finger on it but I'm beginning to think that he could perhaps be covering for a family member. Also, most cold hearted child killers do not weep in court as he did, they usually show no emotion or remorse at all. I'm not convinced they have arrested the right person.

AnnaEsse wrote:

Panda wrote:chrissie, we are getting a different picture now. There is a possibility that the White Van was used initially and April was taken to his House where something happened and April died, A black bag was used to cover her up and she was put in the river .Bridger goes to the Garage in the van and leaves in the Blue Car. No doubt this theory will get shot down in flames and the way things are going with April's Family , they might even have been in cahoots. April's Mother is lighting a Lantern tonight at 7pm !!!!!

I think there could be simple explanations for details given by witnesses. He was driving up and down the road in the estate at 6pm on the Monday? Well, he was going to the parents' evening (or coming from it - not sure) and he may have been just looking for someone he had arranged to meet. Looking agitated on the Tuesday morning? Trying to get to the garage with the Land Rover before it totally clapped out?

Bridger, as far as I know, has not been identified as the man carrying the black bag. We have not been told about that if he has been. He has also not been associated with a white van. There are images of a white van, that could match the children's descriptions, not far from the estate. The images are clear and I'm sure the police could lift the reg number and trace the registered owner.

I think we need to steer clear of making connections where there is no evidence of them so far. He has been charged, but

has not entered a plea yet.

Yes AnnaEsse, all this is conjecture , but to be honest, the latest news that April's Mother is to light a Lantern tonight has made me think twice about the family and whether they are as genuine as I thought.....so I really am getting bad vibes, asking everyone to wear a pink ribbon, setting up the Fund, now lighting a Lantern , do they have to be so blatant when hundreds searchers and so many Specialists are still searching for Madeleine, have done so for over a week , yet no word of thanks so far. Do me a favour, can you find the photograph of all the people walking to the Church so I can check out their Ribbons???I"m just in the middle of cooking so will check it out later.Thanks.

Im sure this witness has cleared up the white van/blue landrover up,on the tuesday,the landrover was described as a significant find

AN OAP saw a car speed away from the spot where April Jones vanished.

The distraught 70-year-old said moments earlier he had seen her playing with pals but she suddenly disappeared. As the hunt for April, five, became a murder inquiry yesterday, he added: “I'm kicking myself that I did not raise the alarm.”

Follow live coverage of the search for April on our sister paper's website.

The pensioner told how he was filled with anguish at what he saw. He has been ­interviewed four
times by police.

Officers now fear it is unlikely April will be found alive.

The shaken neighbour, who did not want to be named, recalled the moment he spotted April before she was kidnapped.

The man said: “I was home on Monday night as usual and saw little April playing outside with her friends.

“They were riding their bikes up and down the street, like they have been all summer.

“A driver kept cruising up and down the road where the kids were playing.

“I thought it was a little odd but nothing more and then I noticed the car parked up next to the garages which was strange because no one would park there usually.

“The kids were still playing at that point.

“But suddenly they weren’t there and I noticed the car drive briskly down the road towards the town centre.

“To be honest I thought nothing of it until people started banging on my door about half an hour later, asking if I’d seen April.

“Then I realised the significance of what I’d seen. But why would a person think something so sinister could be happening in front of their house?”

The witness spoke as ­detectives continued to quiz Mark Bridger, 46, after he was arrested on suspicion of murdering April. Forensic experts were yesterday searching rubbish bins, gardens and sheds around April’s home.

Blackpool Tower is going pink tonight in support.

I haven't read that any family members have done any "searching" and that bothers me. I'm on the other side of the Atlantic so am not as up-to-date as U.K. posters so I could have missed something. The pink ribbons, the fund (although I did read the family did not set this up) and now the lantern ....... all reminiscent of details five years ago..... and when you add possibly no searching by the family, well I don't know what to think at this stage.

ProfessorPlum wrote:Blackpool Tower is going pink tonight in support.

Well honestly now, that will be a big help in recovering this poor child's body.

ProfessorPlum wrote:Blackpool Tower is going pink tonight in support.

Clarence may be needing his pink shirts again soon if they hire him

Interested: I did read in an early report that April's mother went knocking on every door in the village looking for her. If I can find the story again, I'll post the link.

P.S. This isn't the one I saw but it will do.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/349748/Desperate-search-for-5-year-old-April-Jones

interested wrote:I haven't read that any family members have done any "searching" and that bothers me. I'm on the other side of the Atlantic so am not as up-to-date as U.K. posters so I could have missed something. The pink ribbons, the fund (although I did read the family did not set this up) and now the lantern ....... all reminiscent of details five years ago..... and when you add possibly no searching by the family, well I don't know what to think at this stage.

I don't know if one or both of April's parents or members of their family searched for April, but if they didn't and unless they were too traumatised to search, then in my opinion they are as bad as the McCanns. I am one of the McCanns staunchest critics and my main criticism of them, is the fact they never searched for Madeleine. I could have understood the McCanns, not searching for Madeleine, if they were both too traumatised to search for her. However it turned out that the McCanns were anything but traumatised, they were doing everything to save their own skins. This behaviour lead me to believe that the McCanns knew where Madeleine was and if she was dead or alive.

This lantern business is bothering me. The family of April were going to send one Chinese lantern into the air, but according to the news, the whole community are going to do the same. Machynlleth is a small town in the middle of a rural area, I am just praying that none of the debris, causes harm to any pets, farming or wild creatures. Or damage to anyone's property, Lord help the farmers, if any of the debris falls onto the barns or hay.

Chinese lanterns have been known to cause fires as well as harm to farming and wild creatures.

I don't think the police dont have a 'cut and dry' case and that is why they need as much evidence they can get to secure a conviction hence the stopping cars..


I think they may either know or think he killed her but proving it is going to be hard without a body and the longer it stays in the water the better for bridger as they will need evidence on the body to convict him?

I think there was a terrible accident and she died and he panicked and hid her body hence the crying in court .



My son said...'if there was an accident , why hide the body'?

kitti wrote:I don't think the police dont have a 'cut and dry' case and that is why they need as much evidence they can get to secure a conviction hence the stopping cars..


I think they may either know or think he killed her but proving it is going to be hard without a body and the longer it stays in the water the better for bridger as they will need evidence on the body to convict him?

Hi Kitti, I have mentioned this before but it is relevant. The night the Neighbours and Police started searching the river was swollen and swiftly running, now it is calm and still. I think the first night if April was in the water she would have been carried along and be miles away from the Bridge. I tried without success to google a Map of Machlynllech to see how far away from the coast it is.

Panda wrote:

kitti wrote:I don't think the police dont have a 'cut and dry' case and that is why they need as much evidence they can get to secure a conviction hence the stopping cars..


I think they may either know or think he killed her but proving it is going to be hard without a body and the longer it stays in the water the better for bridger as they will need evidence on the body to convict him?

Hi Kitti, I have mentioned this before but it is relevant. The night the Neighbours and Police started searching the river was swollen and swiftly running, now it is calm and still. I think the first night if April was in the water she would have been carried along and be miles away from the Bridge. I tried without success to google a Map of Machlynllech to see how far away from the coast it is.

Hi Panda

According to this link, Machynlleth is 13 miles from the coast.

http://www.distance-calculator.co.uk/beaches.php?t=Machynlleth&c=Great%20Britain

Sorry Panda, it is 13 miles as the crow flies.

River Dyfi is tidal up to a point a couple of miles west of Machynlleth,i believe the river is fairly shallow there,maybe a meter or so but is fed by two smaller rivers further up i think ? If the river was swollen maybe a body thrown in at that point with the tide in the right direction would be out to sea in a few hours,it meanders a lot throughout its length and would most likely get caught up on something,odds are if its in the river it will be found fairly soon.

matthew wrote:Im sure this witness has cleared up the white van/blue landrover up,on the tuesday,the landrover was described as a significant find

AN OAP saw a car speed away from the spot where April Jones vanished.

The distraught 70-year-old said moments earlier he had seen her playing with pals but she suddenly disappeared. As the hunt for April, five, became a murder inquiry yesterday, he added: “I'm kicking myself that I did not raise the alarm.”

Follow live coverage of the search for April on our sister paper's website.

The pensioner told how he was filled with anguish at what he saw. He has been ­interviewed four
times by police.

Officers now fear it is unlikely April will be found alive.

The shaken neighbour, who did not want to be named, recalled the moment he spotted April before she was kidnapped.

The man said: “I was home on Monday night as usual and saw little April playing outside with her friends.

“They were riding their bikes up and down the street, like they have been all summer.

“A driver kept cruising up and down the road where the kids were playing.

“I thought it was a little odd but nothing more and then I noticed the car parked up next to the garages which was strange because no one would park there usually.

“The kids were still playing at that point.

“But suddenly they weren’t there and I noticed the car drive briskly down the road towards the town centre.

“To be honest I thought nothing of it until people started banging on my door about half an hour later, asking if I’d seen April.

“Then I realised the significance of what I’d seen. But why would a person think something so sinister could be happening in front of their house?”

The witness spoke as ­detectives continued to quiz Mark Bridger, 46, after he was arrested on suspicion of murdering April. Forensic experts were yesterday searching rubbish bins, gardens and sheds around April’s home.

Interesting how "car" is mentioned 3 times in this article and not Van or Land Rover.

Panda wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

Panda wrote:chrissie, we are getting a different picture now. There is a possibility that the White Van was used initially and April was taken to his House where something happened and April died, A black bag was used to cover her up and she was put in the river .Bridger goes to the Garage in the van and leaves in the Blue Car. No doubt this theory will get shot down in flames and the way things are going with April's Family , they might even have been in cahoots. April's Mother is lighting a Lantern tonight at 7pm !!!!!

I think there could be simple explanations for details given by witnesses. He was driving up and down the road in the estate at 6pm on the Monday? Well, he was going to the parents' evening (or coming from it - not sure) and he may have been just looking for someone he had arranged to meet. Looking agitated on the Tuesday morning? Trying to get to the garage with the Land Rover before it totally clapped out?

Bridger, as far as I know, has not been identified as the man carrying the black bag. We have not been told about that if he has been. He has also not been associated with a white van. There are images of a white van, that could match the children's descriptions, not far from the estate. The images are clear and I'm sure the police could lift the reg number and trace the registered owner.

I think we need to steer clear of making connections where there is no evidence of them so far. He has been charged, but

has not entered a plea yet.

Yes AnnaEsse, all this is conjecture , but to be honest, the latest news that April's Mother is to light a Lantern tonight has made me think twice about the family and whether they are as genuine as I thought.....so I really am getting bad vibes, asking everyone to wear a pink ribbon, setting up the Fund, now lighting a Lantern , do they have to be so blatant when hundreds searchers and so many Specialists are still searching for Madeleine, have done so for over a week , yet no word of thanks so far. Do me a favour, can you find the photograph of all the people walking to the Church so I can check out their Ribbons???I"m just in the middle of cooking so will check it out later.Thanks.

Here you go, Panda. Just got in, hence the delay!

Hi Kitti, I have mentioned this before but it is relevant. The night the Neighbours and Police started searching the river was swollen and swiftly running, now it is calm and still. I think the first night if April was in the water she would have been carried along and be miles away from the Bridge. I tried without success to google a Map of Machlynllech to see how far away from the coast it is.[/quote]

Panda . Machynllech leads to an estuary, if you follow the A493 on google maps the estuary leads to Aberdovey and straight to the sea. I only hope April is found soon but with the flooding and dire weather in North Wales there is a good chance she is now in the sea. I should of said Mid Wales Not far from myself though

welshy wrote:Hi Kitti, I have mentioned this before but it is relevant. The night the Neighbours and Police started searching the river was swollen and swiftly running, now it is calm and still. I think the first night if April was in the water she would have been carried along and be miles away from the Bridge. I tried without success to google a Map of Machlynllech to see how far away from the coast it is.

Panda . Machynllech leads to an estuary, if you follow the A493 on google maps the estuary leads to Aberdovey and straight to the sea. I only hope April is found soon but with the flooding and dire weather in North Wales there is a good chance she is now in the sea. I should of said Mid Wales Not far from myself though[/quote]

Thanks Welshy, I'm in South Wales , the brainy part. Seriously now, I think the search was around the bridge area for the first coupls of days, but as more experienced searchers arrived I would have thought they would check the tide and weather conditions , I remember there was a lot of rain as well, and the river was almost up to the top of the bank.

Poor Soul, April could be in the Sea as you say, it's not as if she weighed very much.

A belated thanks for the posts on the vehicles. From matthew's article I think it was the land rover the person saw which could be described as a car. A van would never be imo.

AnnaEsse wrote:

Panda wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

Panda wrote:chrissie, we are getting a different picture now. There is a possibility that the White Van was used initially and April was taken to his House where something happened and April died, A black bag was used to cover her up and she was put in the river .Bridger goes to the Garage in the van and leaves in the Blue Car. No doubt this theory will get shot down in flames and the way things are going with April's Family , they might even have been in cahoots. April's Mother is lighting a Lantern tonight at 7pm !!!!!

I think there could be simple explanations for details given by witnesses. He was driving up and down the road in the estate at 6pm on the Monday? Well, he was going to the parents' evening (or coming from it - not sure) and he may have been just looking for someone he had arranged to meet. Looking agitated on the Tuesday morning? Trying to get to the garage with the Land Rover before it totally clapped out?

Bridger, as far as I know, has not been identified as the man carrying the black bag. We have not been told about that if he has been. He has also not been associated with a white van. There are images of a white van, that could match the children's descriptions, not far from the estate. The images are clear and I'm sure the police could lift the reg number and trace the registered owner.

I think we need to steer clear of making connections where there is no evidence of them so far. He has been charged, but

has not entered a plea yet.

Yes AnnaEsse, all this is conjecture , but to be honest, the latest news that April's Mother is to light a Lantern tonight has made me think twice about the family and whether they are as genuine as I thought.....so I really am getting bad vibes, asking everyone to wear a pink ribbon, setting up the Fund, now lighting a Lantern , do they have to be so blatant when hundreds searchers and so many Specialists are still searching for Madeleine, have done so for over a week , yet no word of thanks so far. Do me a favour, can you find the photograph of all the people walking to the Church so I can check out their Ribbons???I"m just in the middle of cooking so will check it out later.Thanks.

Here you go, Panda. Just got in, hence the delay!

Muchos Gracias AnnaEsse , but this is not the one. Maybe it was nog here but a News report I watched , but rows of people were walking towards the Church and they all had pink ribbons pinned on to their coats and jackets, some were different but most looked the same .

Panda, I did see on one of the news reports that there is a haberdashers in the High Street. They were making up the pink ribbons as fast as they could and people were in the shop picking up bag loads of them. I didn't see any money exchange hands. That's probably why they many of them looked the same.