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Oldartform wrote:  

Karen wrote:Former Forensic Manager on Sky News (trying to type too quickly)   missed her name,   explaining what they will look at - look for changes in landscape vegetation etc , areas for further focus,  radar equipment will be used,  will be looking for remains, clothing, something dropped out of place - excavation will be needed - meticulous search.  They will be taken to back to a lab that is agreed by PJ and SY.  THE pj have different policies,  they will have to work toegther,  Why has this taken so long - she replies it should be a natural routine but PJ have their reasons.

Will family be thankful - yes of course the McCanns need answers - hopefully positive outcome - time lapse 7 years - dig in a town trying to get back to normal,  lady states items CAN be found years later.

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PJ - PLEASE DO NOT TAKE TO A UK LAB    

Heaven forbid!!

Things are not going to plan for Britain's finest!  What a tangled web aye?

The Met have not been able to adhere to their agenda, which was to redirect the investigation and rewrite history! The only diligence out of more than 100, that has been allowed by the Portuguese judge is a much too close for comfort, forensic excavation!  Operation Grange had to finally request something based on the facts within the investigation, in order to get it passed, and BINGO!  They have been totally out smarted, and are now in a very precarious position where they could (shock horror) actually 'dig up' something that leads them right back to Rothley.  Whoops!!!

If the Portuguese judge is smart, she will ignore the obvious goading and insults from the Met, and let this one slide nicely through!  

Oldartform wrote:  

Karen wrote:Former Forensic Manager on Sky News (trying to type too quickly)   missed her name,   explaining what they will look at - look for changes in landscape vegetation etc , areas for further focus,  radar equipment will be used,  will be looking for remains, clothing, something dropped out of place - excavation will be needed - meticulous search.  They will be taken to back to a lab that is agreed by PJ and SY.  THE pj have different policies,  they will have to work toegther,  Why has this taken so long - she replies it should be a natural routine but PJ have their reasons.

Will family be thankful - yes of course the McCanns need answers - hopefully positive outcome - time lapse 7 years - dig in a town trying to get back to normal,  lady states items CAN be found years later.

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PJ - PLEASE DO NOT TAKE TO A UK LAB    

When this case was first being investigated the Portugese Forensics were annoyed that FSS (now sold to an American Company) took so long to advise the results of samples sent to them. They sent 2 samples , one to FSS and the other to a Spanish Forensics Dept, . The Spanish one was sent back with their Report much quicker than FSS. I'm sure the Portugese will choose Spain again , because there is no FSS.

pennylane wrote:Things are not going to plan for Britain's finest!  What a tangled web aye?

The Met have not been able to adhere to their agenda, which was to redirect the investigation and rewrite history! The only diligence out of more than 100, that has been allowed by the Portuguese judge is a much too close for comfort, forensic excavation!  Operation Grange had to finally request something based on the facts within the investigation, in order to get it passed, and BINGO!  They have been totally out smarted, and are now in a very precarious position where they could (shock horror) actually 'dig up' something that leads them right back to Rothley.  Whoops!!!

If the Portuguese judge is smart, she will ignore the obvious goading and insults from the Met, and let this one slide nicely through!  

Not only that, but SY are only there as observers so cannot point the search in the 'right' direction. They will have to accept whatever may be found.
Hopefully any forensics will be performed somewhere where they can't get their sticky paws on the results

pennylane wrote:Things are not going to plan for Britain's finest!  What a tangled web aye?

The Met have not been able to adhere to their agenda, which was to redirect the investigation and rewrite history! The only diligence out of more than 100, that has been allowed by the Portuguese judge is a much too close for comfort, forensic excavation!  Operation Grange had to finally request something based on the facts within the investigation, in order to get it passed, and BINGO!  They have been totally out smarted, and are now in a very precarious position where they could (shock horror) actually 'dig up' something that leads them right back to Rothley.  Whoops!!!

If the Portuguese judge is smart, she will ignore the obvious goading and insults from the Met, and let this one slide nicely through!  

Hi Pennylane, the Portugese are determined that SY will have no say and refusing permission for 3 men to be interviewed in PDL on the grounds they are considered suspects and threatening SY to abandon the search if they don't stop telling the Press what is going on.

pennylane wrote:Things are not going to plan for Britain's finest!  What a tangled web aye?

The Met have not been able to adhere to their agenda, which was to redirect the investigation and rewrite history! The only diligence out of more than 100, that has been allowed by the Portuguese judge is a much too close for comfort, forensic excavation!  Operation Grange had to finally request something based on the facts within the investigation, in order to get it passed, and BINGO!  They have been totally out smarted, and are now in a very precarious position where they could (shock horror) actually 'dig up' something that leads them right back to Rothley.  Whoops!!!

If the Portuguese judge is smart, she will ignore the obvious goading and insults from the Met, and let this one slide nicely through!  

Exactly!

The worst thing they could do now would be to allow this baiting to achieve anything by calling off the searches.

wantthetruth wrote:

pennylane wrote:Things are not going to plan for Britain's finest!  What a tangled web aye?

The Met have not been able to adhere to their agenda, which was to redirect the investigation and rewrite history! The only diligence out of more than 100, that has been allowed by the Portuguese judge is a much too close for comfort, forensic excavation!  Operation Grange had to finally request something based on the facts within the investigation, in order to get it passed, and BINGO!  They have been totally out smarted, and are now in a very precarious position where they could (shock horror) actually 'dig up' something that leads them right back to Rothley.  Whoops!!!

If the Portuguese judge is smart, she will ignore the obvious goading and insults from the Met, and let this one slide nicely through!  

Exactly!

The worst thing they could do now would be to allow this baiting to achieve anything by calling off the searches.  

Yep, if there is some sort of cover up, all SY have to do is leak everything and job done!

Angelina wrote:

wantthetruth wrote:

pennylane wrote:Things are not going to plan for Britain's finest!  What a tangled web aye?

The Met have not been able to adhere to their agenda, which was to redirect the investigation and rewrite history! The only diligence out of more than 100, that has been allowed by the Portuguese judge is a much too close for comfort, forensic excavation!  Operation Grange had to finally request something based on the facts within the investigation, in order to get it passed, and BINGO!  They have been totally out smarted, and are now in a very precarious position where they could (shock horror) actually 'dig up' something that leads them right back to Rothley.  Whoops!!!

If the Portuguese judge is smart, she will ignore the obvious goading and insults from the Met, and let this one slide nicely through!  

Exactly!

The worst thing they could do now would be to allow this baiting to achieve anything by calling off the searches.  

Yep, if there is some sort of cover up, all SY have to do is leak everything and job done!

I'm sure the PJ are wise to this - if SY leak anything in the hope of baiting the PJ into pulling the plug, then the PJ will know that they are definitely onto something!

Iris wrote:
I'm sure the PJ are wise to this - if SY leak anything in the hope of baiting the PJ into pulling the plug, then the PJ will know that they are definitely onto something!

Which takes me back to what I said yesterday about them knowing where to look. Out all all those requests, this is the only one agreed to. I'm pretty sure there's reason to believe it may lead somewhere........

jassi wrote:

pennylane wrote:Things are not going to plan for Britain's finest!  What a tangled web aye?

The Met have not been able to adhere to their agenda, which was to redirect the investigation and rewrite history! The only diligence out of more than 100, that has been allowed by the Portuguese judge is a much too close for comfort, forensic excavation!  Operation Grange had to finally request something based on the facts within the investigation, in order to get it passed, and BINGO!  They have been totally out smarted, and are now in a very precarious position where they could (shock horror) actually 'dig up' something that leads them right back to Rothley.  Whoops!!!

If the Portuguese judge is smart, she will ignore the obvious goading and insults from the Met, and let this one slide nicely through!  

Not only that, but SY are only there as observers so cannot point the search in the 'right' direction. They will have to accept whatever may be found.
Hopefully any forensics will be performed somewhere where they can't get their sticky paws on the results

Yes, they had better keep those filthy, dirty Met paws well away from everything!

Panda wrote:

pennylane wrote:Things are not going to plan for Britain's finest!  What a tangled web aye?

The Met have not been able to adhere to their agenda, which was to redirect the investigation and rewrite history! The only diligence out of more than 200+, that has been allowed by the Portuguese judge is a much too close for comfort, forensic excavation!  Operation Grange had to finally request something based on the facts within the investigation, in order to get it passed, and BINGO!  They have been totally out smarted, and are now in a very precarious position where they could (shock horror) actually 'dig up' something that leads them right back to Rothley.  Whoops!!!

If the Portuguese judge is smart, she will ignore the obvious goading and insults from the Met, and let this one slide nicely through!  

Hi Pennylane, the Portugese are determined that SY will have no say and refusing permission for 3 men to be interviewed in PDL on the grounds they are considered suspects and threatening SY to abandon the search if they don't stop telling the Press what is going on.

Hi Pandy, and the Met are still blabbing to the press in spite of the warnings aren't they!  Operation Grange are desperately trying to re-route the investigation away from the facts and evidence, and have been left looking more corrupt and redundant by the day.   You can just visualise all those spat out dummies bouncing off the walls there!

wantthetruth wrote:

Iris wrote:
I'm sure the PJ are wise to this - if SY leak anything in the hope of baiting the PJ into pulling the plug, then the PJ will know that they are definitely onto something!

Which takes me back to what I said yesterday about them knowing where to look.  Out all all those requests, this is the only one agreed to.  I'm pretty sure there's reason to believe it may lead somewhere........

Agree. It is SY that have made this request. It is SY pushing for this. Portugal are saying only on our terms. So, who wants it solved? SY or Portugal?

Iris wrote:

Angelina wrote:

wantthetruth wrote:

pennylane wrote:Things are not going to plan for Britain's finest!  What a tangled web aye?

The Met have not been able to adhere to their agenda, which was to redirect the investigation and rewrite history! The only diligence out of more than 200+, that has been allowed by the Portuguese judge is a much too close for comfort, forensic excavation!  Operation Grange had to finally request something based on the facts within the investigation, in order to get it passed, and BINGO!  They have been totally out smarted, and are now in a very precarious position where they could (shock horror) actually 'dig up' something that leads them right back to Rothley.  Whoops!!!

If the Portuguese judge is smart, she will ignore the obvious goading and insults from the Met, and let this one slide nicely through!  

Exactly!

The worst thing they could do now would be to allow this baiting to achieve anything by calling off the searches.  

Yep, if there is some sort of cover up, all SY have to do is leak everything and job done!

I'm sure the PJ are wise to this - if SY leak anything in the hope of baiting the PJ into pulling the plug, then the PJ will know that they are definitely onto something!

The Met are singing like canaries all over the press as usual, and have scant regard for Portugal's reasonable request.  Indeed the Met are showing a complete lack of professionalism and integrity.  

If it were my child that was missing, I would be down that police station in a heartbeat, demanding they STFU!

Can we have links to SY singing like canaries just for balance & if it was my child i would think to not let Clarence big gob almighty Mitchell know about any info received from Op Grange, especially sensitive info on dig sites that could harm an investigation if leaked...I'm sure K&G do not want that!

matthew wrote:Can we have links to SY singing like canaries just for balance & if it was my child i would think to not let Clarence big gob almighty Mitchell know about any info received from Op Grange, especially sensitive info on dig sites that could harm an investigation if leaked...I'm sure K&G do not want that!

Spot on!

matthew wrote:Can we have links to SY singing like canaries just for balance & if it was my child i would think to not let Clarence big gob almighty Mitchell know about any info received from Op Grange, especially sensitive info on dig sites that could harm an investigation if leaked...I'm sure K&G do not want that!

Absolutely correct.

SY want the three burglars houses searched..



PJ want PDL searched...


They couldn't be more far apart in their thinking can they.



SY were told to...get stuffed.


PJ get their wish but need the equipment like radar.


OK SY, you can come and watch ONLY if you bring the equipment .


OK....DONE.


Peeved off like SY are they use their 'spinning machine'.

Andy Redwood has done nothing but sing like a canary to the media, since the review/investigation began. The biggest song he has sung more than once, is to tell the media that the McCanns and their mates are not persons of interest to him.

It's absolutely appalling that the McCanns are not person's of persons of interest to him. The McCanns are loving the fact that Andy Redwood, who may or may not be following orders from their family friend, Bernard Hogan-Howe, the head of the 'Met', is looking for a patsy or patsies, to take the blame for whatever happened to Madeleine.

Anyone who thinks that the McCanns played no part in Madeleine's disappearance, apart from leaving her and maybe the twins without supervision, when they went out, needs to take another look at the McCanns behaviour, from the minute Kate McCann, supposedly found Madeleine missing.

Their behaviour has never been that of parents whose child has gone missing without their knowledge. I'm not stating that the McCanns should have cried in public, what I am stating is, if Madeleine had disappeared without their knowledge and given the fact that the McCanns had no proof she was abducted, the very least one of them and some of their mates could have done, is look for her, after they'd called the GNR.

The last people the McCanns would have called, was the British Government, in fact the McCanns would not have called their family, until it was made apparent that Madeleine was not going to be found that night.

I'm flabbergasted that someone can make a remark, stating that the McCanns would not want Clarence Mitchell knowing what they have been told by 'Operation Grange'. The McCanns have worked hand in glove with Mitchell, since he was sent over by the British Government, to act as their spokesman. Mitchell has told many lies on the McCanns behalf and he has been paid handsomely for telling these lies. First of all by Brian Kennedy, then when he announced he would no longer be paying his salary, Madeleine picked up the tab, from the fund that was supposed to be spent looking for her.

To get back to 'Operation Grange', the fact that they are feeding the McCanns information can only mean one thing in my eyes, this latest development, is once again another mission by 'Operation Grange', to find anyone but the McCanns guilty of whatever happened to Madeleine.

While I would be more than happy to be proved wrong, going by the way the McCanns have been protected from day one, by the Portuguese and British Governments and the fact that they are still being protected, I'm afraid I can only see the McCanns walking away from their crime.

Remember that Redwood was asked the suspect question when 2/3 through a review & even if he suspects those responsible what can he say when asked a direct question like that?Yes they are suspects? A no comment would even imply a yes, he could have even insisted on the question, there's no law to say a DCI can't lie if it helps the investigation.
Maybe at that stage of the review K,G & their 'friends' were not poi or suspects...but since then?

We have seen bundleman turn into crechedad while the OFM still has bundleman as their prime suspect, working in the opposite direction to a team that is helping them with a whitewash?

We have had Gerry in a studio whilst Redwood asked for smithman to come forward & eliminate himself...could possibly be used as evidence if it is proven Gerry was the man the Smith family seen...later the McCanns are exposed as having used their lawyers to make legal threats to keep the e-fit suppressed.That came from Henry Exton

We have Redwood being quoted as saying possibly death before leaving 5A which in support of the evidence from Eddie leaves Gerry having a poignant moment with a corpse but exposes him as a liar as the bed was not alerted to.

We have Kate & Gerry going way off the no evidence of harm script, they 'just want to know'...i bet they do!

& now we have excavations in PDL or/and the wider area?

There have been the burglars, smellyman etc which are not easy to explain but elimination can also form a basis for the prosecution, which i believe will happen in the UK...IF the real suspects are British

But it could all be a very elaborate whitewash to silence those few internet nutters who are called anti mccanns & we could all be so wrong~there was an abductor, who brought his A game to PDL May 2007

You would think that Portugal would just want to get this sorted out once and for all, one way or the other, and try to lay this case to bed instead of all this 'don't say this or we won't allow that'.

SY are keen on this dig and the Brits are providing the equipment. If the Portuguese had wanted to dig they've had time enough to hire the equipment in from anywhere in the world and get on with it but they haven't.

I have serious doubts there will be any 'dig'.

This could well be another load of SY bullshit to throw at the nasty very unhelpful Portuguese who will refuse them permission to drive the tractor.

Lioned wrote:I have serious doubts there will be any 'dig'.

This could well be another load of SY bullshit to throw at the nasty very unhelpful Portuguese who will refuse them permission to drive the tractor.

Well, if you are right Lioned, a Police Force that is bullshitty and another that is unhelpful is never going to solve this case.

I'm convinced SY tells Clarence who makes a few Bob by selling to the Press.

The Daily Express has quite a lot to say on Page 1, they say 5 sites are being investigated , there is a lot more on Page 5 so I will cherry pick the juicy bits.  Brunt has just reported that SY wanted 278 requests from the Portugese , including the 3 homes, but the Portugese have halved this so SY
have had to grin and bear it. I am going to copy bits of the main article that I think are interesting when I have read it all and post then.

pennylane wrote:

Iris wrote:

Angelina wrote:

wantthetruth wrote:

pennylane wrote:Things are not going to plan for Britain's finest!  What a tangled web aye?

The Met have not been able to adhere to their agenda, which was to redirect the investigation and rewrite history! The only diligence out of more than 200+, that has been allowed by the Portuguese judge is a much too close for comfort, forensic excavation!  Operation Grange had to finally request something based on the facts within the investigation, in order to get it passed, and BINGO!  They have been totally out smarted, and are now in a very precarious position where they could (shock horror) actually 'dig up' something that leads them right back to Rothley.  Whoops!!!

If the Portuguese judge is smart, she will ignore the obvious goading and insults from the Met, and let this one slide nicely through!  

Exactly!

The worst thing they could do now would be to allow this baiting to achieve anything by calling off the searches.  

Yep, if there is some sort of cover up, all SY have to do is leak everything and job done!

I'm sure the PJ are wise to this - if SY leak anything in the hope of baiting the PJ into pulling the plug, then the PJ will know that they are definitely onto something!

The Met are singing like canaries all over the press as usual, and have scant regard for Portugal's reasonable request.  Indeed the Met are showing a complete lack of professionalism and integrity.  

If it were my child that was missing, I would be down that police station in a heartbeat, demanding they STFU!

Ah, but is it the Met singing, or is it this?

poor madeleine we have portugal and sy fighting whos going to be top dog , going to be crude here , its dick waving and i feel so sorry that a little girl left the uk never to return , all this in the press makes me believe that there wont be any future digs why should either sy or portugal announce this at all , only hope i have at the min is that it has already been done or part done away from prying eyes , madeleine deserves better than this , and i truely believe that it is wrong to the twins and to the rest of the tapas children and any other child to be subjected to this