Why is Israel not allowed to defend itself

This afternoon, the IDF shot down an unmanned drone in Israeli airspace, believed to have crossed from the Syrian border.

The question remains - whose drone was it, and who was controlling it?



http://unitedwithisrael.org/idf-shoots-down-drone-near-syrian-border/

http://videocloud.aish.com/misc/A_Soldier_s_Account_from_Gaza_Hamas_Used_Human_Shields.mp4

Heartbreaking firsthand account from an IDF lieutenant on the front line in Gaza.

Iris wrote:This afternoon, the IDF shot down an unmanned drone in Israeli airspace, believed to have crossed from the Syrian border.

The question remains - whose drone was it, and who was controlling it?



http://unitedwithisrael.org/idf-shoots-down-drone-near-syrian-border/

ISIS HAVE PLANS FOR DRONES TO ATTACK ISRAEL.

Badboy wrote:

Iris wrote:This afternoon, the IDF shot down an unmanned drone in Israeli airspace, believed to have crossed from the Syrian border.

The question remains - whose drone was it, and who was controlling it?



http://unitedwithisrael.org/idf-shoots-down-drone-near-syrian-bord while er/

ISIS HAVE PLANS FOR DRONES TO ATTACK ISRAEL.

I can well imagine IS wanting to attack Israel but not yet. Neither IS nor the Syrian government would gain any advantage from fighting on two fronts. One of those fronts being a superbly trained army with modern equipment. The Syrians have their hands full with iS and the various other terrorist groups, such as al Nusra while IS would have multiple problems with the US launching air strikes against them into the bargain.

Mind historically Hitler was doing all right until he attacked Russia as was Bonaparte. IS may make the same kind of mistake

AN ISLAMIC GROUP IN JERUSALEM HAS DECLARED ALLEGIANCE TO ISIS.

ISRAEL HAS LOST A BILLION SHEKELS WORTH OF TOURISM BECAUSE OF THE GAZA FIGHTING.

[quote="Badboy"]ISRAEL HAS LOST A BILLION SHEKELS WORTH OF TOURISM BECAUSE OF THE GAZA FIGHTING.[/quote

I have no doubt that the Hamas terrorist organisation took that into account when they started all over again firing rockets at Israel. Any means to degrade Israel are acceptable to them, just as using their own people- who voted for them- as human shields is acceptable in order to get sympathy from the world at large. Many Palestinians depend on Israeli jobs for their own livelihood. Hamas doesn't care. Digging tunnels from private houses, so that Israel is forced to bomb it, and kill the innocents inside. Hamas doesn't care. they're terrorists, and want Israel wiped out. any means at hand are acceptable to them. if they can get sympathy from a misguided UNRWA into the bargain, that's a huge bonus. The Arab countries in the Middle East have no time for the so called Palestinian cause. That should tell the rest of the world something.

ISRAEL HAS KILLED TWO OF THOSE INVOLVED IN THE KILLING OF THREE HITCHHIKERS IN HEBRON.
ALREADY HAILED AS MARTYRS BY HAMAS.

There have also been rockets fired into Sderot again, from Gaza, this week.

Badboy wrote:ISRAEL HAS KILLED TWO OF THOSE INVOLVED IN THE KILLING  OF THREE HITCHHIKERS IN  HEBRON.
ALREADY HAILED AS MARTYRS BY HAMAS.

It's a brilliant system when you get down to it. All the elements of "My brother right or wrong" This relieves those involved from any deep thought about it, or even any thought at all. Combined with immediate martyrdom and paradise this makes an absolutely irresistible combination. No act is too bestial as long as it's aimed at Infidels.Especially Jews, although none of them seem to know what the Hebrews ever did to them in the first place

However foul and barbaric the crime, all is forgiven and eternal paradise awaits.

NETANYU SAYS HE WILL REFUTE GAZA LIES,I REMBER SEEING.

Badboy wrote:NETANYU SAYS HE WILL REFUTE GAZA LIES,I REMBER SEEING.

Unfortunately,, Netanyahu can refute whatever he wants. it will make no difference to Hamas' long term goal which is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. No amount of negotiation or proof of the malevolence of Hamas will do any good. It's a case of their minds are made up, don't bother them with facts. They are already planning to get their hands on as much of the money for reconstruction as they possibly can. Some to get more weapons to start the next round and some into their own pockets naturally.

3 PALESTINIAN HAVE BEEN ARRESTED WITH SUPPOSED LINKS TO ISLAMIC STATE,IS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE INCLUDING LIBYA WHERE AFFILATES KILLED 14 SOLDIERS IN SOUTH.

Badboy wrote:3 PALESTINIAN HAVE BEEN ARRESTED WITH SUPPOSED LINKS TO ISLAMIC STATE,IS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE INCLUDING LIBYA WHERE AFFILATES KILLED 14 SOLDIERS IN SOUTH.

I believe I did say some time ago that the idea od=f a Caliphate however wring that idea is would resonate very strongly with the followers of Islam. Not only the fanatics among them. It is literally the glue that binds them together. besides which we have seen acts of terror either in action or being prepared, based purely on the touch one of us touch all. Even though you think they are wrong, us infidels are even more in the wrong.

malena stool wrote:Goodevening katertaif,

I've just been reading HuffPuff's reporting and comments of the events taking place in Israel. As you rightly point out the IDF are simply responding to rocket attacks from beyond their borders. The Israelis have learnt that turning the other cheek does nothing other than encourage those who wish them harm. While we can but sympathise with the deaths and horrific injuries inflicted on the women and children of both sides, the answer lies with the Palestinian leadership's allowance of Hammas to operate within their country's borders.

As Anna as pointed out, Hammas hide amongst civilians, behind women and children knowing the IDF will be blamed for any civilian deaths, as was shown this morning on Sky News, where Israeli airstrikes had taken out a Hammas leader who was hiding in a house surrounded by civilians, this isn't war, it is terrorism reported as if it were a military conflict.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/09/15-images-of-gaza-under-attack-as-israel-responds-to-hamas-rockets-_n_5570579.html

Good afternoon old son

As you say Anna has pointed out that Hamas use the civilian population as human shields, - being the fearless warriors they are. Yes of course the death toll is disproportionate, that is hardly the fault of the Israelis. They have tried everything they can think of to minimise the loss of life among Palestinians. short of turning the other cheek, which they know from past experience only gets you two slaps in the face.

Yet European parliaments are falling over themselves to recognise Palestine as a sovereign state. This may very well turn out to be more harmful to the Palestinians by encouraging the various terror groups including Hamas and Hezbollah.

Your final statement that this is terrorism tricked out as a war is so blatantly true, I am absolutely amazed that these European parliaments are unable to see it. It makes one wonder what they use for grey matter. The absolutely tragic events in Paris being typical. The French government being one of th e first to recognise Palestine as a state and the attack on Charlie Hebdo being the result. I know that wasn't the reason behind it but it does seem to show that to the extremists violence and killing is the first last and only answer.

ISRAEL HAS ARRESRED 7 ARABS ON SUSPICION OF BEING AN ISIS TERROR CELL IN GALILEE.
SOUNDS LIKE ISIS ARE EVERYWHERE.

Badboy wrote:ISRAEL HAS ARRESRED 7 ARABS ON SUSPICION OF BEING AN ISIS TERROR CELL IN  GALILEE.
SOUNDS LIKE ISIS ARE EVERYWHERE.

Good morning Badboy

Yes, you're unfortunately quite right. There are those who think this twisted version of one of the worlds major religions is the right way to go, especially as long as it works for them. It seems they can get all the sex they require despite the strict segregation of the mainstream of Islam. That and following what they claim to believe are the wishes of their deity, and killing all infidels.

So there will be at least some in every country. They have even brazenly raised the black flag in Britain and elsewhere in Europe.

Reading between the lines though, I do think there are many of them, who are more than willing to take the two perks of this I suppose you have to call it an ideology, but when they themselves are in any danger, suddenly lose much of their fervour and want to get out.

HEZBOLLAH REPORTED TO BE DIGGING TUNNELS INTO ISRAEL,HEZBOLLAH SEEM TO BE CAUSING TROUBLE WITH ISRAEL RECENTLY.

Badboy wrote:HEZBOLLAH REPORTED TO BE DIGGING TUNNELS INTO ISRAEL,HEZBOLLAH SEEM TO BE CAUSING TROUBLE WITH ISRAEL RECENTLY.

Yes they have been quiet (ish) for some time. The hope is it is not a case of looking at Hamas, and saying my brother right or wrong or even worse having Hamas pile on the pressure with promises of retribution if they don't comply.

We know already that while that would be a complete betrayal no (Islamic|) nation would side with them. I'm not even sure at this stage if the USA would condemn them.

ISIS HAS ACCUSED HAMAS OF NOT BEING ISLAMIC ENOUGH,THAT A TURNOUT FOR THE BOOKS,ACCUSING FELLOW ISLAMISTS OF BEING INFIDELS.

Badboy wrote:ISIS HAS ACCUSED HAMAS OF NOT BEING ISLAMIC ENOUGH,THAT A TURNOUT FOR THE BOOKS,ACCUSING FELLOW ISLAMISTS OF BEING INFIDELS.

Good evening Badboy

That is the whole thing about them they have a very narrow interpretation of the Qur'an So narrow in fact that I wonder if this is their reason for fighting at all, or if the of loot and unlimited women is the real reason. Whatever their reasons, and I strongly suspect it to be the second, absolutely anyone who doesn't espouse their cause 100% is an infidel.

Look at these people (terrorists themselves, no matter what they call themselves, who are both IS and it's affiliated members and Assad's forces in Syria. How can they justify that position? If they give IS a thrashing they are helping Assad's regime, if they give Assad's forces a thrashing, they are helping IS yet they openly admit to hating both. Fighting on two fronts unless you have overwhelming firepower is silly and idiotic. Hitler tried it with operation Barbarossa, and look how far he got!!

ISIS AFFILIATES HAVE FIRED ROCKETS INTO SOUTHERN ISRAEL.

Badboy wrote:ISIS AFFILIATES HAVE FIRED ROCKETS INTO SOUTHERN ISRAEL.

Badboy

You predicted this some time ago. The news at the time was that we were told this was an impossibility. It still isn't confirmed as fact, and IS claiming it was them doesn't alter that. Other articles however do suggest that it is in fact the case. That being so does puzzle me in that while I accepted your view entirely, I thought it a little early yet in that IS have quite enough on their hands in Iraq and Syria, without taking on disciplined and battle hardened troops for whom losing a battle is not an option.

Of course there are several possible explanations one of which is to combine the Arab armies again into an anti Israel and therefore IS coalition (Highly unlikely) Another being to force the Israelis to fight again, and get the UN to once again denounce the brutal and licentious Israeli soldiery. Whatever their reasoning. Baghdadi seems to have recovered (that means nothing either way he could as easily be dead.) One thing we can guarantee is that whatever their reasoning, it bodes no good for Israel or us.

ISIS ARE TRYING TO BLOW UP HAMAS LEADERS IN GAZA,WHAT A TURNUP FOR THE BOOKS.

Badboy wrote:ISIS ARE TRYING TO BLOW UP HAMAS LEADERS IN GAZA,WHAT A TURNUP FOR THE BOOKS.

When terrorists fall out.