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Post  wjk on Sun 13 Oct - 23:07

Well, watching Sky news just now, I think I can see which way this is going to go, Mary.
Absolutely disgraceful!!
Yet again, its all the PJ's fault!!!

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Post  LJC on Sun 13 Oct - 23:15

mossman wrote:
Annabel wrote:https://twitter.com/ad_mills/status/389465949843124225/photo/1


The guy on the left looks like Gerry.  The guy on the right looks like someone too but I can't place him
It is supposed to be one and the same man. Well either he was chubby or he was skinny. I can understand, 6 years later, how witnesses might find it difficult to remember facial features, having only caught a fleeting glimpse of someone in the dark, but surely they would know if he was chubby or skinny?

When we are trying to recollect what someone looks like, the first thing that comes to mind is their build.

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Post  Guest on Sun 13 Oct - 23:18

The hairline is the same on both. As is the flat head. Just like Gerry McCann's.

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Post  Lioned on Sun 13 Oct - 23:21

It is being said that the E fits are of the Smith sighting ! Both of the same man.

So this is. 'Smithman'

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Post  the slave on Sun 13 Oct - 23:22

If you 'morph' the two images you get Gerry.

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Post  LJC on Sun 13 Oct - 23:28

So, if the timelines are re-drawn up to allow for the Smith sighting, does it still place Gerry in the restaurant?

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Post  Lioned on Sun 13 Oct - 23:30

Exactly.Why do SY confuse things by issuing two different pictures of the same man !

Put them together and its gerry.

So it looks like they will be changing the time of the Smith sighting to fit a little more sensibly with the tanner fairy story.

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Post  Hongkong Phooey on Sun 13 Oct - 23:31

the slave wrote:If you 'morph' the two images you get Gerry.
Mr Smith was convinced it was Jerry after seeing him carrying one of the twins on their return to the uk (a tv news broadcast)

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Post  MaryB on Sun 13 Oct - 23:32

I thought the timing of the Smith sighting couldn't be changed.  Because they even had a receipt from a bar they had been in with the time stamped on it.  I read this.

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Post  wjk on Sun 13 Oct - 23:32

the slave wrote:If you 'morph' the two images you get Gerry.
Ooh that would be good if someone could do it!

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Post  Guest on Sun 13 Oct - 23:34

the slave wrote:If you 'morph' the two images you get Gerry.
I just tried it. I have made no changes at all, apart from layering one on top of the other. Lo and behold.


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Post  Hongkong Phooey on Sun 13 Oct - 23:34

Lioned wrote:Exactly.Why do SY confuse things by issuing two different pictures of the same man !

Put them together and its gerry.

So it looks like they will be changing the time of the Smith sighting to fit a little more sensibly with the tanner fairy story.
They surely can't change the Smiths timestamp as they have a receipt from kellys bar for 21:55 which was when they left there

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Post  wjk on Sun 13 Oct - 23:34

Hongkong Phooey wrote:
the slave wrote:If you 'morph' the two images you get Gerry.
Mr Smith was convinced it was Jerry after seeing him carrying one of the twins on their return to the uk (a tv news broadcast)
Yes, here is what he said..
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id162.html

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Post  LJC on Sun 13 Oct - 23:35

Yes, they had a receipt. Not so the McCanns it seems, and yet I'm sure I read the restaurant staff did not place Gerry in the restaurant at around 9.45, so was he in the restaurant?

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Post  interested on Mon 14 Oct - 0:00

Does mean an end to the "swarthy" description.

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Post  tanszi on Mon 14 Oct - 0:15

well im sure its a photo fit of G McC, but whoever he certainly doesn't look swarthy. jimo.

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Post  interested on Mon 14 Oct - 0:46

Oh, this is rich. The Daily Mail describes "the" picture as, "Smirk of the Maddie suspect.....". How many times have posters here remarked on Gerry's smirk. LOL

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Post  jeanmonroe on Mon 14 Oct - 1:36

I'm OFFICIALLY re-naming Monday's BBC 'Crimewatch' to Monday's BBC 'CRIME'!
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McCann’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell says:"we disagree. Kate and Gerry have not been given any special treatment”

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Post  pipstar1 on Mon 14 Oct - 1:53

I'm considering the Crimewatch programme will show a "construction" not a reconstruction of events,

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Post  macgee on Mon 14 Oct - 1:55

how can anyone be taken seriously ,if they cant tell the difference between a 20yr old and a 40yr old. who described this man,and why is he significant ?

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Post  macgee on Mon 14 Oct - 2:02

did e-fit man look like this then,or does he look like this now?

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Post  interested on Mon 14 Oct - 2:08

From what I've been reading it sounds to me SY has totally discounted cadaver odour. I can't get my head around that. It looks like they're going with the same old "abduction" theory with no explanation for the evidence the dogs provided.

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Post  kitti on Mon 14 Oct - 3:45

LJC wrote:Yes, they had a receipt. Not so the McCanns it seems, and yet I'm sure I read the restaurant staff did not place Gerry in the restaurant at around 9.45, so was he in the restaurant?


Two waiters said their table was empty apart from the 'old one' at 9.30pm.

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Post  Annabel on Mon 14 Oct - 5:37

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/14/british-detectives-efits-madeleine-mccann-suspect



British detectives release efits of Madeleine McCann suspect

Despite being placed at the crime scene by two people on the night in question the man has never come forward

Sandra Laville, crime correspondent
The Guardian, Monday 14 October 2013

Undated e-fit images of a man seen in Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine McCann's disappearance
Undated efit images issued by the Metropolitan police believed by detectives to be of the same man seen in Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine McCann's disappearance Photograph: Metropolitan Police/PA

The face of a suspect in the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has been released to the public by detectives.

Police have issued two efits that they believe are descriptions of the same man, who is now being sought as a priority by the British detectives leading the new McCann inquiry.

He was seen in the vicinity of the Praia da Luz resort in Portugal six years ago at the time that the three-year-old went missing. Despite numerous appeals for information over the years, the man has not come forward to talk to investigators in Portugal or Britain.

Descriptions of the suspect were given to the Portuguese inquiry by two witnesses after Madeleine disappeared.

It is only now, after Metropolitan police detectives cross-referenced all the information gathered by Portuguese detectives, private investigators and the mobile phone data from the resort, that the significance of the witness statements has been fully understood. In an appeal to be broadcast on Monday night on BBC1's Crimewatch, Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood of the Metropolitan police will call for anyone who recognises the man to contact him immediately.

A 25-minute reconstruction of the events of 3 May 2007, with a child actor playing Madeleine, will also demonstrate that the accepted account and timeline of events on the night she went missing six years ago is wrong, police say.

"The efits are clear and I would ask the public to look very carefully at them," Redwood said. "If you know who this person is, please come forward.

"Whilst this man may or may not be the key to unlocking this investigation, tracing and speaking to him is of vital importance to us. We have witnesses placing him in the resort area around the time of Madeleine's disappearance."

The significance of the man has come to light as detectives have analysed tens of thousands of documents from the original investigation and mobile phone footprints in the resort on the night the child went missing.

Redwood said: "Our work to date has significantly changed the timeline and the accepted version of events that has been in the public domain to date."

Redwood is leading the £5m British investigation into the suspected abduction of Madeleine in May 2007 while her family were on holiday in Praia da Luz.

The inquiry is focusing on 41 suspects and requests for assistance have been issued to 30 countries in a bid to identify and eliminate these people, 15 of whom are British. Crimewatch will feature other efits of individuals that the police would also like to trace.

But it is this man in particular whom detectives are very keen on finding. The man was described by the two witnesses as being inside the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz area on the evening that Madeleine went missing from the apartment. Redwood will travel to Germany, the Netherlands and Ireland to repeat his appeal as detectives from the British investigation attempt to close in on the man. He was described by the witnesses as white, aged between 20 and 40, with short brown hair, of medium build, medium height and clean shaven.

Redwood will outline the new theory of what happened on Crimewatch on Monday, in a 25-minute reconstruction which he said amounted to the most detailed narrative yet of what happened.

It dramatises the hours before Madeleine's disappearance, with the child actor dressed in a floppy hat, T-shirt and shorts, filmed running around picking up tennis balls on the court where her parents played that afternoon.

Later, the film shows the couple leaving apartment 5a, where their three children – Madeleine, then three, and twins Sean and Amelie, 18 months – slept inside, and sitting down with their friends at a pool-side table in a tapas bar a few hundred yards away.

At 8.30pm Kate and Gerry McCann went for dinner with seven friends, leaving the children, who were checked on at least twice, according to Kate McCann's autobiography.

The McCanns' friend, Jane Tanner has said that at about 9.15pm she saw a man carrying a small child, walking away from apartment 5a. That man has never been traced. At 10pm Redwood said Madeleine's mother found the child gone when she checked the apartment.

By putting these 90 minutes under intense scrutiny, Redwood's team have established new theories about the events and exactly when Madeleine was abducted.

In an interview with Crimewatch, Kate McCann said: "We are not the ones that have done something wrong here. It's the person who has gone into that apartment and taken a little girl away from her family."

Redwood said: "Through meticulously drawing together specific information, the team has been able to refocus the timeline and now places more significance on events that night.

"The timeline we have now established has given new significance to sightings and movements of people in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

"I hope that when the public sees our investigative strands drawn together within the overall context of that appeal, it will bring in new information that moves our investigation forward."

Crimewatch will be broadcast on BBC1 at 9pm on Monday.

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Re: mondays crimewatch

Post  kitti on Mon 14 Oct - 7:22

i notice when the mccanns are sitting at the table in the tapas they are sitting with their backs to the apt.....

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