jo yeates

pennylane wrote:

The Famous Grouse wrote:I suppose Denis Nilsson looked and acted "normal". He got away with his crimes for years. But if it really is the landlord, and I am not saying it is, are there other victims? It seems a bit reckless to do away with your own downstairs neighbour, then not try to do a runner.

It is far harder to come up with a plausible deflective crime scene if the murder is a spur of the moment lashing out, and not pre-meditated.

Just look at the pathetic story the McCanns came up with!

T4two wrote:

pennylane wrote:

The Famous Grouse wrote:I suppose Denis Nilsson looked and acted "normal". He got away with his crimes for years. But if it really is the landlord, and I am not saying it is, are there other victims? It seems a bit reckless to do away with your own downstairs neighbour, then not try to do a runner.

It is far harder to come up with a plausible deflective crime scene if the murder is a spur of the moment lashing out, and not pre-meditated.

Just look at the pathetic story the McCanns came up with!

That's very true... but the difference is that this guy got arrested and charged and the McCanns were allowed to leave and carry on spinning their pathetic story.

The Famous Grouse wrote:I suppose Denis Nilsson looked and acted "normal". He got away with his crimes for years. But if it really is the landlord, and I am not saying it is, are there other victims? It seems a bit reckless to do away with your own downstairs neighbour, then not try to do a runner.

dazedandconfused wrote:

The Famous Grouse wrote:I suppose Denis Nilsson looked and acted "normal". He got away with his crimes for years. But if it really is the landlord, and I am not saying it is, are there other victims? It seems a bit reckless to do away with your own downstairs neighbour, then not try to do a runner.

If he suddenly did a runner that surely would have pointed the finger firmly in his direction.

The Famous Grouse wrote:

dazedandconfused wrote:

The Famous Grouse wrote:I suppose Denis Nilsson looked and acted "normal". He got away with his crimes for years. But if it really is the landlord, and I am not saying it is, are there other victims? It seems a bit reckless to do away with your own downstairs neighbour, then not try to do a runner.

If he suddenly did a runner that surely would have pointed the finger firmly in his direction.

True. But surely he would have known that the police immediately question everybody close to the victim? How on earth would he have thought he'd have gotton away with it? He doesn't look the type to hold out for long under police interrogation.

HiDeHo wrote:I only came across this case yesterday.

My immediate thoughts after reading the basic details was to look at the possibility of the boyfriend.

I read many others had the same thoughts.

I tried to view the original press conference but couldn't find it. Only photos of the boyfriend.

At that point, I felt sure it wasn't him and was going to post, but continued searching for the press conference just to confirm my thoughts. I didn't find it.

Now I see it is probably the landlord (I haven't yet seen his picture) but it confirms to me that one can tell a lot from a 'face', more specifically 'eyes'.

There is nothing in the boyfriends 'eyes' that leads me to believe he was responsible. Eyes tell a lot and he does not have 'that' look often attributed to abusers. He has 'happy' eyes (sadly, not literally right now).

My point is, that our 'gut' can tell us a lot more than we give it credit for.

So many details pointed to the possibility of it being him (initially anyway) but he does not have the 'face' of someone that is guilty and, thankfully (hopefully) he is no longer under suspicion.

Now...Let me seek out a picture of the landlord and see whether his eyes give an indication....

I have always believed that you can't always tell if someone is guilty, but you 'know' when they are innocent.

Forming opinions is not always about 'logic'. More credit should be given to our 'gut' feelings imo.

Loopdaloop wrote:The landlord; granted when I saw his picture yesterday he looks 'funny' or 'mad'
but I don't as of yet buy that he did it. It says in the report by the daily mail that he is a 'bachelor' but he is blatently gay, which would rule out the suggested sexual motive? !!

Loopdaloop wrote:The landlord; granted when I saw his picture yesterday he looks 'funny' or 'mad'
but I don't as of yet buy that he did it. It says in the report by the daily mail that he is a 'bachelor' but he is blatently gay, which would rule out the suggested sexual motive? !!

Loopdaloop wrote:The landlord; granted when I saw his picture yesterday he looks 'funny' or 'mad'
but I don't as of yet buy that he did it. It says in the report by the daily mail that he is a 'bachelor' but he is blatently gay, which would rule out the suggested sexual motive? !!

HiDeHo wrote:I only came across this case yesterday.

My immediate thoughts after reading the basic details was to look at the possibility of the boyfriend.

I read many others had the same thoughts.

I tried to view the original press conference but couldn't find it. Only photos of the boyfriend.

At that point, I felt sure it wasn't him and was going to post, but continued searching for the press conference just to confirm my thoughts. I didn't find it.

Now I see it is probably the landlord (I haven't yet seen his picture) but it confirms to me that one can tell a lot from a 'face', more specifically 'eyes'.

There is nothing in the boyfriends 'eyes' that leads me to believe he was responsible. Eyes tell a lot and he does not have 'that' look often attributed to abusers. He has 'happy' eyes (sadly, not literally right now).

My point is, that our 'gut' can tell us a lot more than we give it credit for.

So many details pointed to the possibility of it being him (initially anyway) but he does not have the 'face' of someone that is guilty and, thankfully (hopefully) he is no longer under suspicion.

Now...Let me seek out a picture of the landlord and see whether his eyes give an indication....

I have always believed that you can't always tell if someone is guilty, but you 'know' when they are innocent.

Forming opinions is not always about 'logic'. More credit should be given to our 'gut' feelings imo.

pennylane wrote:Dead looking eyes are more likely to apply to serial killers... which may not apply here? More likely he has a very bad temper. Perhaps he misread her friendly disposition, and tried to kiss her.... and she shoved him away and told him to 'f*** off' and called him a 'repulsive old git' or something - and he just snapped and grabbed her by the throat.

The eyes may not reveal much until a person flies into a rage!

carmen wrote:

Loopdaloop wrote:The landlord; granted when I saw his picture yesterday he looks 'funny' or 'mad'
but I don't as of yet buy that he did it. It says in the report by the daily mail that he is a 'bachelor' but he is blatently gay, which would rule out the suggested sexual motive? !!

I don't think him being gay (if he is - and/or he could be bi-) would necessarily rule out sexual motives. He could, for example, fantasize over Jo(anna) having been a boy. But who knows on what we've been told?

Joanna Yeates landlord Chris Jefferies
Former English teacher at Clifton College, known locally for work as Lib Dem activist and chair of neighbourhood watch group

Chris Jefferies was known as a flamboyant English teacher at Clifton College, a co-ed public school.

He sometimes sported blue hair and is remembered as being particularly fond of the poetry of Christina Rossetti.

Jefferies, 65, is also a Liberal Democrat party member and activist in Clifton the upmarket hilltop suburb of Bristol. He runs a neighbourhood watch scheme and for a while chaired a society promoting the continued use of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer.

One former Clifton College student, Stuart Delves, compared the relationship between students and some of the English teachers at the school in the late 60s and early 70s to the film Dead Poets Society.

In an article written for a school magazine, Delves described Jefferies and his colleagues as "luminaries ... paramours of literature ... profound catalysts". Jefferies, he said, "pronounced interesting places in interesting ways and illuminated Christina Rossetti for us."

Another student, who asked not to be named, said the teacher was a "sticker for discipline and very traditional".

Over the past few years Jefferies became a Lib Dem stalwart. In a local election last year he put his name to the nomination papers of party candidate Trevor Blythe. Blythe, who won the seat, said Jefferies was always on hand to deliver leaflets for the Lib Dems. "He is a private person," said the councillor. "He's not easy to get to know."

Barbara Janke, the leader of Bristol city council and also a Lib Dem councillor for Clifton, said: "I know him, yes, He's a helper. I don't know him terribly well.

"He is the chair of the local neighbourhood watch in his area in Clifton. He's well known to the police as chair of the neighbourhood watch. As far as I can see he was fairly well involved in local matters like that.

"He was involved in a planning issue in his road which is where I met him and he became a supporter and a helper and had been involved with the Lib Dems since then. He is involved in local matters in his area. He invited me to a neighbourhood watch which he chaired for a couple of years."

The planning matter is believed to have been a scheme to replace a rifle range and squash courts belonging to his former college with two semi-detached houses. Jefferies led the campaign against the plans.

Jefferies also became briefly the chairman of the Bath and Avon Prayer Book Society, which promotes the continued use of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer.

He was born in Grimsby in the January of 1945. He is believed to be an only child and his parents, Edward and Kathleen Jefferies, are both thought to be dead. He is not married.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/30/joanna-yeates-landlord-chris-jefferies

mumbles wrote:

pennylane wrote:Dead looking eyes are more likely to apply to serial killers... which may not apply here? More likely he has a very bad temper. Perhaps he misread her friendly disposition, and tried to kiss her.... and she shoved him away and told him to 'f*** off' and called him a 'repulsive old git' or something - and he just snapped and grabbed her by the throat.

The eyes may not reveal much until a person flies into a rage!

Agree Pennylane

Someone I know - has the most amazingly sexy eyes (for a male) - a fabulous mix of colours and with thick black lashes that us females would die for.

See him in a temper though - and his eyes portray pure evil. ( He's not a very nice person despite his good looks)

Surely this is why we use the expression " If looks could kill"

pennylane wrote:

mumbles wrote:

pennylane wrote:Dead looking eyes are more likely to apply to serial killers... which may not apply here? More likely he has a very bad temper. Perhaps he misread her friendly disposition, and tried to kiss her.... and she shoved him away and told him to 'f*** off' and called him a 'repulsive old git' or something - and he just snapped and grabbed her by the throat.

The eyes may not reveal much until a person flies into a rage!

Agree Pennylane

Someone I know - has the most amazingly sexy eyes (for a male) - a fabulous mix of colours and with thick black lashes that us females would die for.

See him in a temper though - and his eyes portray pure evil. ( He's not a very nice person despite his good looks)

Surely this is why we use the expression " If looks could kill"

I agree with you very much on how deceiving looks can be, and anyone who has been in a violent/possessive relationship with someone handsome, will know exactly where you are coming from.

Wallflower wrote:

The Famous Grouse wrote:But there was another high profile murder case, I forget which one offhand, where a suspect was arrested and later released without charge. Sorry, but this whole 'landlord' thing just does not sit right with me.

You may well be right Famous Grouse. Hopefully there is real reson to suspect people who are arrested - rather than a ridiculous hair cut. However, I'm really wondering just how helpful the whole rolling news thing is.

Loopdaloop wrote:If the landlord has done this.... at his age it can't be his first surely?

buildersbum wrote:

Wallflower wrote:

The Famous Grouse wrote:But there was another high profile murder case, I forget which one offhand, where a suspect was arrested and later released without charge. Sorry, but this whole 'landlord' thing just does not sit right with me.

You may well be right Famous Grouse. Hopefully there is real reson to suspect people who are arrested - rather than a ridiculous hair cut. However, I'm really wondering just how helpful the whole rolling news thing is.

Not saying this is what the police are doing in this case but......
I remember a few years ago a case where the Police set up an arrest of an innocent guy, to make the culprit feel secure, the police then waited for the culprit to make his next move knowing he would......it worked!!!! im going to spend the rest of the day trying to remember when this case was.