Re: jo yeates

**fedrules** Sun 2 Jan - 18:51

It could be that Greg tried to phone Jo , got no reply and thought she was merely busy. I imagine when he returned from Sheffield he might simply have hoped she'd just popped out and forgotten her keys. In retrospect, it's easy to think it was strange he didn't panic before, but it's not in everyone's nature to automatically expect the worst. Another contrast with the McCanns is the way they immediately told everyone they knew that Maddie had been abducted. Surely this reaction is stranger ?

blackrose Sun 2 Jan - 19:09

Karen wrote:
Loopdaloop wrote:
Karen wrote:

Another thing is Greg could not reach Jo the whole weekend, (unless he called to say he was safe BEFORE 8:00pm) If it was me trying to reach my boyfriend or GOSH him trying to reach me, (think the whole Police force would have been called) I would be stressing big time, I would have called the parents or a freind to check but nothing, nada?? hmmm? a weekend is a long time, if they were that close they would have communicated, I am sure she would just not return the calls or send a sms, A FULL weekend without communication DOES NOT sit right with me

Just all in my opinion!

Does anyone know when the time of death was established?

I'm not convinced the level of communication is an issue here. Not everyone is attached to their mobile phones.

Put it this way; this guy had to move for work to a different area from all his friends. He lives with his girlfriend and see's her everyday, he doesn't see his friends that often so going back to where they all are would be a big event and I sincerely doubt that he would be left on his own for a long enough time to ponder the really pessimistic possibility that because his girlfriend didn't contact him for two days that she might be dead. We know from the phrase "I thought that we were going to be together forever" that he is an optimist by nature so therefore the glass always being half full he isn't going to automatically assume something might be wrong.

However I know that someone like my girlfriend might assume that something was wrong if she couldn't get in touch with me; I wouldn't be too concerned the other way. So it could just be a men are from mars, women are from venus thing. I don't think it should imply suspicion any more than having a blue rinse.

A call on his way back would even have sufficed, like Honey "whats for dinner" should I pick up a take away?? etc etc nothing ............no communication no answer for 72hrs and then wait ANOTHER 4hrs to call the coppers hmmmmm???

Something fishy............and its not my trout in the oven!

Couldn't agree more! It would be interesting to know whether the flat was locked or unlocked when he returned. If it was locked and Jo had another set of keys he might think she'd popped out briefly and decide to wait a while, although four hours is stretching it imo. If the door was unlocked with all Jo's belongings left lying around then this would surely strike him as odd and prompt him to try and locate her asap?

**fedrules** Sun 2 Jan - 19:23

The Guardian quotes a 'source' who says the police are awaiting the results of forensic tests which could prove crucial. It's also interesting that the police, while advising women to be careful, say they have no specific information to suggest women are at increased risk..I tend to think this indicates that they know who committed this awful crime..

**wjk** Sun 2 Jan - 19:42

fedrules wrote:The Guardian quotes a 'source' who says the police are awaiting the results of forensic tests which could prove crucial. It's also interesting that the police, while advising women to be careful, say they have no specific information to suggest women are at increased risk..I tend to think this indicates that they know who committed this awful crime..

Agree and their keeping a very close eye on him.

Karen Sun 2 Jan - 19:53

Krisy22 wrote:TBH most young people I know are always on the phone to each other after only hours apart. Yet OH and I do anything possible not to be near a phone unless in an emergency. Anyway... surely with him having to have a jump lead start and the weather... she would have wanted to know if he arrived safely or him to tell her he had. Just the way my family would work.

Exactly, she would have wanted or should I say NEEDED to know he was safe, Goodness you would do that for a friend a neighbour even if you knew the car was a bit dodgy, like I said even a " honey I am on my way home" or something, anything no communication for 72hrs, and waits 4hrs to call the coppers upon seeing her purse, mobile, half empty bottle of cider...............surely he knew she had her little party at The Ram would also know she would more than likely walk home ALONE, make sure SHE was safely home and tucked in on Friday night (especially if she is a drinker, social or not) as we say in Holland

iets klopt niet!! something is just NOT right !

Dont rule out the boyf just yet.

**fuzeta** Sun 2 Jan - 19:58

fedrules wrote:The Guardian quotes a 'source' who says the police are awaiting the results of forensic tests which could prove crucial. It's also interesting that the police, while advising women to be careful, say they have no specific information to suggest women are at increased risk..I tend to think this indicates that they know who committed this awful crime..

I hope that they are not sending them to Birmingham! It will be months before they get the results and then they will change their minds!

**fedrules** Sun 2 Jan - 20:07

Think the results will be easier to obtain unless the perpetrator has had the chance to clean up..afterall, Jo was probably dead for two days before anyone knew she was missing so whoever killed her may have had time to try and destroy evidence. They almost certainly did something with the pizza and its box...

Also in this case there isn't the element of possible confusion with DNA from other family members. If Jo's DNA is found somewhere it shouldn't be, like the car boot of a stranger, then it would be hard to claim it could have got there innocently via transference as may possibly have happened in the McCann case.

**Alpine Aster** Sun 2 Jan - 20:30

fedrules wrote:It could be that Greg tried to phone Jo , got no reply and thought she was merely busy. I imagine when he returned from Sheffield he might simply have hoped she'd just popped out and forgotten her keys. In retrospect, it's easy to think it was strange he didn't panic before, but it's not in everyone's nature to automatically expect the worst. Another contrast with the McCanns is the way they immediately told everyone they knew that Maddie had been abducted. Surely this reaction is stranger ?

If Jo's boyfriend did try to phone her on her mobile, then her mobile would have rang in the Flat as it was there, he would have heard it ring, unless it had been switched off which is possible.

The pizza that is a mystery, I am sure the Police have been through the waste bins to see if the wrapping and container were there, in case Jo had eaten it and taken the waste out.

The Pathologist would be able to tell at the Post Mortem if Jo had eaten the pizza, as to where it was in the digestive track if Jo did met her demise on that Friday Night, but then again Jo may have never consumed the pizza, why would someone take a pizza away from the Flat that is the question?.

Its Possible also that Jo never even got to her Flat, but her bag with the keys to the Flat her mobile, coat and a half drunken bottle of cider were placed there, staging, the Person just left them and walked out and shut the door on the way out you don't need key's to close the door, perhap's that is why the pizza was not found in the Flat it was where Jo was before, I suppose anything is possible and nothing is impossible here.

jejune Sun 2 Jan - 20:45

"Chief Superintendent Jon Stratford,
speaking outside the building where she lived, said: 'I can understand
why the public in the local and wider Bristol area have concerns for
their safety at the current time. Whoever killed Joanna remains at
large. 'However, I want to reassure the
public that at this time there's no specific intelligence or information
to suggest an increased threat to their safety.'"

As mentioned by someone above, this part of the article does suggest that the police still believe that the killer is known to Jo, and contradicts what they say about women needing to take extra precautions. To be fair, I don't think the police have actually released that much information about this case. It's also normal procedure to name those who have been arrested. There'd probably be a lot of complaints if the police were able to arrest people left, right and centre without publically naming them. Otherwise, habeas corpus wouldn't be able to be used where it's needed.

I think it's the press who've been digging and printing all this discrimatory 'information' about Christopher Jefferies. It's noticeable that they have no qualms about doing this when it comes to anybody who seems to be outside the norm. I would imagine one journalist is as personally different from another journalist as I am from Mr Jefferies. We're all unique. I also think that the bit about following a lead whereby it may be a burglary gone wrong is total rubbish, and made up by the Mail. For a start, the police would have mentioned there had been evidence of a burglary in the beginning, not this late on. And most people who are accidently killed in the course of a burglary are left where they are - not taken a few miles away and left in a public place.

jejune Sun 2 Jan - 21:07

I think the focus on the pizza is because if the forensics can establish whereabouts Jo ate it, eg in her flat, and, particularly, when she ate it, it will establish a point when she was definitely still alive. I don't know how it works, but establishing an approximate time of death may be harder if the body was left exposed to the elements not long after this, due to the excessively low temperatures. It does seem strange that there seems to have been no sign of the pizza or its wrappings, when personal effects that would normally go everywhere with someone were left in the flat. It must be the most discussed pizza in the world. If it ever turns up it'll be offered a fortune to star in the next "I'm a Celebrity ... Get Me Out of Here!" jo yeates - Page 27 182123

. It'll have Clarence and Clifford vying for its PR business jo yeates - Page 27 944533

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**fuzeta** Sun 2 Jan - 21:18

jejune wrote:I think the focus on the pizza is because if the forensics can establish whereabouts Jo ate it, eg in her flat, and, particularly, when she ate it, it will establish a point when she was definitely still alive. I don't know how it works, but establishing an approximate time of death may be harder if the body was left exposed to the elements not long after this, due to the excessively low temperatures. It does seem strange that there seems to have been no sign of the pizza or its wrappings, when personal effects that would normally go everywhere with someone were left in the flat. It must be the most discussed pizza in the world. If it ever turns up it'll be offered a fortune to star in the next "I'm a Celebrity ... Get Me Out of Here!" . It'll have Clarence and Clifford vying for its PR business .

As they have done an autopsy. I am wondering if there was any pizza in her stomach. They would know as you have just said jejune

**T4two** Sun 2 Jan - 21:19

From The Daily Telegraph January 2, 2011
Quote: Chief Superintendent Jon Stratford
"Suggesting that the 70 strong team of police officers are yet to make any significant headway in the case, he added: “Jo’s killer is still out there somewhere and we will find them and bring them to justice."

Since the police are no doubt aware of Mr. Jefferies' whereabouts and are obviously not referring to him as 'being out there somewhere', doesn't it suggest that they no longer think that he has anything to do with it?

As far as the pizza/packaging is concerned, I undestand that the police only became aware of it and started searching the day after the local recycling collection had taken place, so it isn't surprising that it hasn't turned up.

Mobile phone usage habits can easily be identified from studying phone records, which is why such records are vitally important for cross-checking witness/suspect statements. I assume that the police have checked out the records and can assess whether the boyfriend's story rings true or not (no pun intended).

Loopdaloop Sun 2 Jan - 21:26

jejune wrote:
"Chief Superintendent Jon Stratford,
speaking outside the building where she lived, said: 'I can understand
why the public in the local and wider Bristol area have concerns for
their safety at the current time. Whoever killed Joanna remains at
large. 'However, I want to reassure the
public that at this time there's no specific intelligence or information
to suggest an increased threat to their safety.'"

There may not be any 'increased threat' but the threat around bristol has historically seemed pretty high!

I wonder if they ever caught this guy

Hunt after Bristol sex attack suspect goes on run
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Hunt after Bristol sex attack suspect goes on run
A MAN suspected of carrying out a vicious sex attack in Bristol is on the run after being released by police on bail.

Police are hunting for Abdiaziz Shide, who they arrested days after the incident but had to release when they could not get hold of the victim to try to identify him.

Since his release, he has not answered bail.

Police describe the 22-year-old as dangerous, and have urged members of the public not to approach him but to inform the police straight away if they see him or know where he is.

The attack – described by officers on the case as "horrific" – happened at 4.40am on June 22 at the junction of Lower Ashley Road, Warwick Road and Oxford Place.

The incident was captured on CCTV and footage shows a man in a black puffa jacket and baggy long white shorts walking down Lower Ashley Road – past the site of Millpond Primary School – towards Warwick Road.

He approached the 21-year-old female victim, who was alone, and attempted to rape her.

She managed to call the police as he was attacking her, and then he seemed to give up and started hitting her around the head several times, before walking off along Warwick Road towards Stapleton Road.

Detective Constable Louise Pizey, who works on Operation Bluestone, which is a dedicated team set up last year to deal with serious sexual offences, said: "This was a horrific attack. The man preyed on a vulnerable lone female in daylight. The man is a risk to the public and we are worried that he might strike again."

She said the victim was "terrified" by the attack.

"We are determined to bring the man who did this in, but we need the public's help to find him," she said. "We want to speak to Abdiaziz Shide in connection with the incident.

"No one should be the victim of such a violent crime, and we will work tirelessly to catch the offender and places him before the courts."

Mr Shide, also known as Abdi Asias Hussein, was born in Somalia and is known to have links in Swansea, where he was a student.

His home address is in Seymour Road, Easton – just around the corner from where the incident happened. He has not been seen by his family since the attack.

Anyone with information is asked to contact Bristol CID on 0845 4567000 and ask for Operation Bluestone or call Crimestoppers, anonymously, on 0800 555111.
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/crime/Hunt-sex-attack-suspect-goes-run/article-2659658-detail/article.html

Sounds like someone to be wary of. However my moneys back on taxi drivers of the bristol area, I know Marky previously thought I was wrong to generalise about taxi drivers here saying

you made a generalisation and an incorrect one simply to suit your theory. you mentioned a taxi rank outside the tescos express store and implied an adult female would bare her soul to an unknown individual simply because in your words ' they like to chat'.
you can't have it both ways. you are wrong and you should admit so. if you want to fantasise go somewhere else. the only thing that gives your theory/opinion any credibility is that an educated female has got into an unlicensed vehicle and spilt her guts to someone she doesn't know and i'm sorry pal, that don't wash.

so I thought I would check www.thisisbristol.co.uk for any possible confirmation of my 'theory' which in fact is accurate

A rapist who posed as taxi driver to snare victim is jailed
Monday, October 25, 2010
A BRAZILIAN illegal immigrant who posed as a taxi driver to collect a female nightclubber before raping her has been jailed for six years.
Sankey Bezeera, 23, picked up his victim from Old Market and drove her to woodland to carry out the
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Rapist-posed-taxi-driver-snare-victim/article-2794481-detail/article.html
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CCTV shots show wanted taxi driver
Saturday, May 15, 2010
POLICE have released CCTV images of a taxi driver they want to speak to after a woman was sexually assaulted in Bristol.
It happened on Sunday, March 28 at about 1.30am outside the HSBC bank in Gloucester Road North. This was just after
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/CCTV-shots-wanted-taxi-driver/article-2160136-detail/article.html
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Taxi groper case dropped
Tuesday, February 16, 2010
Taxi groper case dropped
By Smellen

The Crown Prosecution Service has offered no evidence against a taxi driver alleged to have groped his burlesque-clad teenage passenger.

The charge had also claimed the driver had said he would waive the fare if the passenger would sleep with him.

The teenager, aged 17 at the time, told Bristol Crown Court she and two friends had been to a fancy dress party in Weston-super-Mare and used an ARC Taxis car to get home.

She said that, after dropping off her friends, the driver made inappropriate comments, put his hand on her leg as she sat in the back and made her sit in the front, where he touched her again.

Gholam Tawakoli 34, of Twenty Acres Road, Southmead, denied sexual assault in October last year.

A jury could not agree on a verdict and yesterday, the CPS said it had consulted with the complainant and offered no evidence for a re-trial.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Taxi-groper-case-dropped/article-1839047-detail/article.html
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Bristol cabbie used spiked bangle to attack passenger
Tuesday, June 30, 2009
A Bristol taxi driver who repeatedly gouged the head of a passenger with a spiked bangle has avoided a jail sentence.
Harpal Singh left customer Simon Lumber bleeding heavily from his scalp after the pair disagreed over the taxi fare
Mr Lumber was taken to hospital where his head was stapled.

Singh, aged 25, of Badminton Road, Downend, initially denied the attack but later pleaded guilty to a charge of assault occasioning actual bodily harm.

He was told he had come "very, very, very close to prison" and brought shame on his family and community as he was given a 12-month community order and ordered to carry out 100 hours of unpaid community work. Singh must also pay Mr Lumber £300 compensation and £100 towards prosecution costs
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Cabbie-used-spiked-bangle-attack-passenger/article-1121099-detail/article.html
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A Bristol taxi driver found guilty of molesting two disabled women passengers has been jailed for six years.

Reginald White - known by his middle name John - groped the women, both of whom have cerebral palsy and use wheelchairs, Bristol Crown Court heard.

The 57-year-old cabbie of Sycamore Drive, Patchway, denied eight alleged sexual assaults on one woman, three on another and one on a third.

After a trial last month, he was convicted of two indecent assaults on one woman and six sexual assaults on another.

Imposing sentence, Judge Jamie Tabor, QC, told White that his decision to plead not guilty and put the women through a trial outweighed the fact he was of previous good character.

The judge said: "You were their chosen taxi driver and you abused them both in and out of the taxi and at their place of refuge, their home.

"They were highly vulnerable people, they found it difficult to complain, and you did it on more than one occasion.

"This wasn't a one-off, a silly mistake, it was deliberate.

"You sank as low as a man can to do what you did to these unfortunate ladies."

The judge imposed a Sexual Offences Prevention Order, banning White from being a taxi driver for life, as well as having unsupervised contact with people of serious mental or physical impairment.

He was also ordered to register as a sex offender for life.

The court heard White was driving the first woman home when he stopped his Sharan taxi car in a wood.

She thought it had broken down but he came round to the back, asked her if anyone was around and then improperly touched her, saying: "It's our secret. You must tell no one."

She said White also molested her at home.

Another woman said the cabbie groped her in his taxi and at her home.

When one of the women told White they had been quoted £140 each way for a trip to Heathrow Airport, they told how he offered to cut the price by £20 if he could play with their breasts.

White adamantly denied wrongdoing.

He told the court: "I can't account for the allegations. I'm just gobsmacked about it.

"I've done nothing to any of these women."

Adam Vaitilingam, defending, conceded his client had been convicted of unpleasant offences.

He said the women were vulnerable in the sense that they relied on White for transportation to take them to the places they needed to go.

The judge disagreed with this, saying they were highly vulnerable women who felt that, rather like children, it would be unlikely they would be believed.

Mr Vaitilingam stressed White didn't threaten the women, used no coercion and there was nothing to stop the complainants ringing up the police.

He added that his client was a large man, in poor health, who had already found custody an ordeal and would suffer terribly with a prison term.

Detective Sergeant Gary Haskins told the Bristol Evening Post today: "I think the sentence reflects what the women had to go through. I hope that now they can get on with their lives."

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Bristol-cabbie-jailed-years/article-448397-detail/article.html

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Bristol taxi driver groped two female customers abused trust
By Geoff Bennett

A TAXI driver who groped two young women in his cab has been told he abused the trust his passengers put in him.

Yellow Cab Company driver Adan Duale made a 16-year-old sit in the front seat of his car before he touched her between her legs over her clothes, Bristol Crown Court heard.

He also rubbed the thigh of a 20-year-old woman passenger he was driving home on a separate occasion, the court was told.

Duale, 36, of Aiken Street, Barton Hill, was found guilty of two sexual assaults in August and October last year, following a trial.
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Driver-groped-customers/article-2904058-detail/article.html

For over five years bristol has also been plagued with unlicensed cabs

Back in 2004/5, after the Press had recorded several rape cases and assaults on young vulnerable women who had summoned lifts from unlicensed bogus taxis, Bristol City Council announced that a new policy of legal identification licensing would be adopted.

This licensing of bona fide taxicabs would be identified by having yellow-painted doors. This identification of safe, roadworthy vehicles would be acceptable to true taxi men, so canceling out those opportunists making money by making unrealistic charges for journeys.

With this licensing, the police could then prosecute those trading illegally.

It should have cancelled out those bogus, unsafe vehicles sporting fictitious licensing hire plates one sees daily, with fake licences tied to vehicles with wire or string, used by many desperate immigrants who now make up a growing number of illegal taxis plying for trade in Bristol on dark nights at weekends.
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/s-time-clear-streets-bogus-cab-drivers/article-481095-detail/article.html

So they hired street wardens / marshalls to try and keep the streets safe

Bristol taxi marshal scheme gains praise
By Lhutchinson

A new taxi and street marshal scheme introduced in Chipping Sodbury has been praised by weekend revellers.

Marshals are coming to the town on Friday and Saturday nights in an expansion of a system that has been running in Kingswood since last year.

That has proved successful in preventing violence and anti-social behaviour.

Their presence has also cut the number of unlicensed and illegal taxi drivers trying to operate in the area.

Chipping Sodbury's marshals work to protect vulnerable people and during their first weekend they received plenty of feedback from the public, all saying they were pleased the scheme had started.
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Bristol-taxi-marshal-scheme-gains-praise/article-1580635-detail/article.html

Although they haven't managed to stop Noel Edmonds driving around unlicensed (and they know who he is, what he looks like and where he lives) and granted tonight on deal or no deal he seemed to be coming out with innuendo after innuendo about the old lady who was playing the game as well as the woman with the blue rinse holding another box.... but I'm not suggesting its him!

TV's Noel Edmonds drives own taxi to dodge Bristol jams
By Ekoch

Television favourite Noel Edmonds has come up with his own method of dodging Bristol traffic by driving his personal taxi in city bus lanes.

The 60-year-old presenter drives a black London cab, with a joke Hackney carriage licence plate on the back saying "action against time-thieves" – making it clear how he feels about traffic jams.

He has been snapped several times driving in a bus lane, on journeys along the A4 between the Endemol West studios, in Brislington, where he films Deal or No Deal, and his home near Bath.

But officials say that the star, if caught, could face penalty charges for driving an unlicensed cab in the lanes during restricted hours.
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/TV-s-Noel-Edmonds-drives-taxi-dodge-Bristol-jams/article-1418281-detail/article.html

However; the Marshalls may have been doing their work quite well as Shrien Dewani from bristol.... felt that even with all this going on he couldn't get the right taxi for his needs so went abroad.

Husband now faces extradition battle
Thursday, December 30, 2010
THE BRISTOL businessman accused of paying a gang of criminals to murder his wife on their honeymoon in South Africa is one step closer to standing trial following a formal request for his extradition.
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Husband-faces-extradition-battle/article-3050133-detail/article.html

Which all leads back to my previous point and the inferences that can be made from the other cases police are investigating in connection with this case (Claudia Lawrence & Melanie Hall)

the possible connection could be a taxi driver.

There is a taxi rank outside the tesco express that Jo went into...

People who work late as a chef or behind a bar often catch taxis home which could connect the disappearance of Claudia Lawrence?

and the unsolved murder of Melanie Hall who disappeared after leaving a nightclub in bath in 1996 (who's body was found 13 years later on the motorway slip road).

IF: Whatever car which transported Joanna Yeates body did not go over the bridge with the CCTV which has been suggested as the most obvious route, one would need specialist local knowledge to go the alternate way.

I'm interested to know what other possible connections could be forged between the cases as it was interesting that of all the unsolved murders these ones in particular were the ones which were mooted by police sources as having possible connections.

**wjk** Sun 2 Jan - 21:38

My money's still on the landlord, Loopdaloop, but you got me thinking! jo yeates - Page 27 944533

Roasted Arizona Sun 2 Jan - 22:28

It may have already been mentioned, but I'm interested in the fact that the boyfriend had to ask a neighbour for help starting the car. Could it be that he was getting his alibi in place? I'm sure that the neighbour could have asked where he was off to....and if he didn't ask, I bet the boyfriend told him....do you see what I mean?

**MaryB** Sun 2 Jan - 22:28

Well I don't think the police would have released somebody if they were a strong suspect in a crime like this one. That's only my opinion. I might be wrong. I thought Chris Jefferies seemed a nice chap and not violent and his friends thought the same. And I don't think the papers should have been mouthing off about him the way they have been.

**T4two** Sun 2 Jan - 23:45

MaryB wrote:Well I don't think the police would have released somebody if they were a strong suspect in a crime like this one. That's only my opinion. I might be wrong. I thought Chris Jefferies seemed a nice chap and not violent and his friends thought the same. And I don't think the papers should have been mouthing off about him the way they have been.

Well said MaryB jo yeates - Page 27 307691

**T4two** Sun 2 Jan - 23:53

Roasted Arizona wrote:It may have already been mentioned, but I'm interested in the fact that the boyfriend had to ask a neighbour for help starting the car. Could it be that he was getting his alibi in place? I'm sure that the neighbour could have asked where he was off to....and if he didn't ask, I bet the boyfriend told him....do you see what I mean?

Hmmmm... see what you mean, but that would be premeditated because she was still alive at that time.

sunflower Sun 2 Jan - 23:55

Alpine Aster wrote:
fedrules wrote:It could be that Greg tried to phone Jo , got no reply and thought she was merely busy. I imagine when he returned from Sheffield he might simply have hoped she'd just popped out and forgotten her keys. In retrospect, it's easy to think it was strange he didn't panic before, but it's not in everyone's nature to automatically expect the worst. Another contrast with the McCanns is the way they immediately told everyone they knew that Maddie had been abducted. Surely this reaction is stranger ?

If Jo's boyfriend did try to phone her on her mobile, then her mobile would have rang in the Flat as it was there, he would have heard it ring, unless it had been switched off which is possible.

The pizza that is a mystery, I am sure the Police have been through the waste bins to see if the wrapping and container were there, in case Jo had eaten it and taken the waste out.

The Pathologist would be able to tell at the Post Mortem if Jo had eaten the pizza, as to where it was in the digestive track if Jo did met her demise on that Friday Night, but then again Jo may have never consumed the pizza, why would someone take a pizza away from the Flat that is the question?.

Its Possible also that Jo never even got to her Flat, but her bag with the keys to the Flat her mobile, coat and a half drunken bottle of cider were placed there, staging, the Person just left them and walked out and shut the door on the way out you don't need key's to close the door, perhap's that is why the pizza was not found in the Flat it was where Jo was before, I suppose anything is possible and nothing is impossible here.

I agree with the staged bit, but only as far as the keys and her mobile.
I think there is a big possibility she let her murderer in, maybe then went to their flat to eat the pizza. This happened very close to her flat in my opinion. Maybe a close neighbour.

**MaryB** Mon 3 Jan - 0:14

Well from what I've read the police have said today 'Jo's killer is still at large'. I wouldn't call out on police bail 'at large'. It's a mystery.

Loopdaloop Mon 3 Jan - 0:30

MaryB wrote:Well from what I've read the police have said today 'Jo's killer is still at large'. I wouldn't call out on police bail 'at large'. It's a mystery.

That says to me the local eccentric didn't do it!

**MaryB** Mon 3 Jan - 0:32

Exactly. That's what I think too.

jejune Mon 3 Jan - 0:51

"Naturally we ask the public to continue to take the usual safety
precautions. Lone women should avoid walking home alone after dark and
householders should keep their premises secure and take care answering
the door to strangers."
Increased patrols are being maintained in
Clifton to reassure the public, he added, as more than 70 police
officers and other staff continue to investigate the brutal crime. He
gave assurances that there was nothing to suggest the murderer was a
serial killer nor that the public should be extra worried.

The above is on the AOL newspage. A quote that again suggests that, whilst advising women to be on their guard,
the police don't think Jo Yeates has been attacked by a random abductor jo yeates - Page 27 303636

. I don't think the fact that Mr Jefferies has been released on bail means anything really. The police always seem to put people on bail if they've questioned them about an ongoing case, presumably because it means they can place some restrictions on their movements. However, the information that's been published in the media hasn't given any suggestion of a random criminal act by stranger(s). Whoever's done this, I'd be really surprised if it was somebody that Jo hadn't previously known.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but also in the press today is the news that Greg Reardon has set up a web page to raise money for Missing People (www.justgiving.com/joannayeates). I don't believe he knows what's happened to her, but I'm surprised that he's done this now, when Jo isn't a missing person, and the case is still in the early stages, with no confirmation of what the crime actually is, apart from unlawful killing.

**zodiac** Mon 3 Jan - 0:58

MaryB wrote:Exactly. That's what I think too.

Me too!

**Badboy** Mon 3 Jan - 1:14

SOMEONE ON MSN WAS SAYING THERE WAS A RAPE A FEW YEARS AGO IN THE AREA.

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