Jo Yeates's mum offers to do reconstruction

margaret wrote:

fred wrote:

SteveT wrote:Very good news. Again, assuming that it the right person.

Yes, not like the last suspect who was hounded by the press, and will be linked to her murder for ever. Effing press make me sick!

I agree but we all want to read about this case so we turn to the papers or internet.

I confess to wondering how old Jo's boyfriend was when l heard the news. It's a shame but stastics speak for themselves, the perpetrator is known to the victim in the vast majority of cases.

So did I Margaret (about the boyfriend) And I still don't rule out the LL's involvement just yet.

wjk wrote:

margaret wrote:

fred wrote:

SteveT wrote:Very good news. Again, assuming that it the right person.

Yes, not like the last suspect who was hounded by the press, and will be linked to her murder for ever. Effing press make me sick!

I agree but we all want to read about this case so we turn to the papers or internet.

I confess to wondering how old Jo's boyfriend was when l heard the news. It's a shame but stastics speak for themselves, the perpetrator is known to the victim in the vast majority of cases.

So did I Margaret (about the boyfriend) And I still don't rule out the LL's involvement just yet.

Yes totally agree. The papers want to sell copies, so why let the truth get in the way of a good story? We all saw it with the Madeleine case and before that the Soham case had us all on the edge of our seats with the 24 hour rolling news. If there wasn't a demand then it wouldn't happen. I'm as guilty as the next persion, getting worked up, and wanting to know more and more.

The new arrest comes as a police source today revealed that Yeates's body could have been moved from her flat to its dump site on Bristol's Longwood Lane in a large suitcase or holdall, police believe.
The theory arises from the fact that no drag marks were discovered on the strangled 25-year-old landscape architect's body or clothing, indicating it was likely carried from her flat in Clifton.
It would explain why no-one saw the body being removed during the busy Christmas period, when someone carrying or pulling a large bag would have been a commonplace sight.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348832/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Detectives-arrest-man-32-seal-road-lived.html#ixzz1BZoVEQCb

Holdalls again. Blue sports bag was mentioned in theMadeleine case.

Chief Inspector Phil Jones on Sky: "I would also like to pay tribute to Jo's family and to Greg who continue to be unfailing in their support to me and my team at what is an incredibly difficult and painful time for them."

This is the first time that the police have included the BF with the family in their statements, so I guess they now believe he is in the clear, but certainly they hadn't ruled him out for most of the investigation, therefore how could posters on this and other fora? Incidently, the arrest of someone described only as a '32-year old man' is exactly how any arrest should be handled to avoid the kind of hue and cry which ensued over the LL. I don't think we can blame the media entirely for their reactions - they and the police must have been convinced at the time that LL was the right man.

DNA found on jo's stomach and breast and jeans, according to Martin Brunt. Apartment where two Dutch students live being searched. Neighbors talking about the person, but Sky news not allowed to name him.

pennylane wrote:DNA found on jo's stomach and breast and jeans,...

yet no sexual assault according to the police a ways back.

pennylane wrote:DNA found on jo's stomach and breast and jeans, according to Martin Brunt. Apartment where two Dutch students live being searched. Neighbors talking about the person, but Sky news not allowed to name him.

Let's hope they've got the right person, l'm so sad to read this update l hope Jo knew nothing about that.

Latest from Sky

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Vincent-Tabak-Joanna-Yeates-Murder-Case-Neighbour-Is-Thought-To-Be-Man-Arrested/Article/201101315901387?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15901387_Vincent_Tabak:_Joanna_Yeates_Murder_Case,_Neighbour_Is_Thought_To_Be_Man_Arrested


The 32-year-old man arrested on suspicion of murdering Joanna Yeates is believed to be her neighbour Vincent Tabak.

Vincent Tabak

The property being searched is registered under Vincent Tabak's name

Mr Tabak, who lives in the same block of flats in Bristol, is thought to have been arrested in the early hours of this morning.

The Dutch architect is registered as living in the Canynge Road apartment with his girlfriend.

Calls to his employer in Bath were referred to Avon and Somerset Police.

Police will not confirm or deny the name of the suspect, who is being held at an undisclosed location.

After the arrest, police sealed off the rear of Miss Yeates's flat in the Clifton area of Bristol.

Both ends of Canynge Road were also sealed off as officers in white forensic outfits arrived at the property.

More follows ...

There is plenty about Vincent Tabak on the Internet. His Linkedin profile is there and even his CV up till he moved to England on his Dutch University page. Even his photo on the CV.

Sky have certainly made it very easy to find a lot about the fellow. I wonder if they just guessed from the work going on at his apartment, then looked him up on the Internet, saw his age matched on his CV and then rang the company over here who effectively confirmed it was him by redirecting them to the police.

chrissie

Thank you for that information - they should know fairly quickly if he is the person they are looking for - didn't they take DNA from all the tenants or did I dream that.

It would explain no sightings of someone leaving with Joanna or alone. If this is the murderer then Joanna could have still been in the building for some time.

Sky are showing film footage of this guy taken a few days ago, going into the property.

How long before Mr Tabak:
a) hires a PR?
b) runs back to Holland declaring that he can't get a fair trial in the Uk because the Avon and Somerset Constabulary are Keystone Cop-like bunglers who have already arrested one innocent man and just want to blame it on a foreigner.

Bristol obviously can't have a murder, can it? Think what it would to to local tourism. I'm pretty certain that the recently arrested suspect has a perfectly good explanation for anything that may or not have been allegedly found by the local police. He is deriving great comfort from his deeply held faith, and it's well known that in the course of his work he brushes past corpses on a daily basis. A priest is being rushed from his home country.

It's perhaps even more difficult for him at the moment because both Mitchell and Clifford (spinmeisters to the stars) are busy with other clients at the moment, so he'll have to make do with someone else.

Has the fund been started yet? Or the web site? Wristbands?

Or have I completely misunderstood...

nospinnaker wrote:Bristol obviously can't have a murder, can it? Think what it would to to local tourism. I'm pretty certain that the recently arrested suspect has a perfectly good explanation for anything that may or not have been allegedly found by the local police. He is deriving great comfort from his deeply held faith, and it's well known that in the course of his work he brushes past corpses on a daily basis. A priest is being rushed from his home country.

It's perhaps even more difficult for him at the moment because both Mitchell and Clifford (spinmeisters to the stars) are busy with other clients at the moment, so he'll have to make do with someone else.

Has the fund been started yet? Or the web site? Wristbands?

Or have I completely misunderstood...

Don't be silly nospinniker, Vincent is a Jonny Foreigner, course he's guilty, the upstanding British police wouldn't set anyone up, not like them there pesky PJ. He's guilty as charged.

fred wrote:

nospinnaker wrote:Bristol obviously can't have a murder, can it? Think what it would to to local tourism. I'm pretty certain that the recently arrested suspect has a perfectly good explanation for anything that may or not have been allegedly found by the local police. He is deriving great comfort from his deeply held faith, and it's well known that in the course of his work he brushes past corpses on a daily basis. A priest is being rushed from his home country.

It's perhaps even more difficult for him at the moment because both Mitchell and Clifford (spinmeisters to the stars) are busy with other clients at the moment, so he'll have to make do with someone else.

Has the fund been started yet? Or the web site? Wristbands?

Or have I completely misunderstood...

Don't be silly nospinniker, Vincent is a Jonny Foreigner, course he's guilty, the upstanding British police wouldn't set anyone up, not like them there pesky PJ. He's guilty as charged.

Has he already been charged then?

Angelique wrote:chrissie

Thank you for that information - they should know fairly quickly if he is the person they are looking for - didn't they take DNA from all the tenants or did I dream that.

It would explain no sightings of someone leaving with Joanna or alone. If this is the murderer then Joanna could have still been in the building for some time.

I wonder if cadaver dogs were ever taken in Jo's apartment?

The police will know if Jo lay in the apartment for some time and obviously if she did it narrows the perpretrators down.

Anna, can the two threads on Jo be merged?
Just to keep everything in the one place?

I just hope whoever killed Jo is caught and eventually punished for such a terrible crime. I'm badly behind with many of the threads here at the minute, so don't know if it's been mentioned that the police are supposed to think that Jo's body might well have been moved in some sort of holdall or suitcase, thus solving the problem of how to get the body from her flat (if that's where she was killed) into a car. I suppose it's true that on the run up to Christmas people are often heading off on holiday or going to visit parents or friends, so a suitcase or holdall wouldn't look out of place (any more than it would in a holiday resort).

ETA - just read back a bit in this thread and see the suitcase or holdall has already been mentioned. Interesting, isn't it? Obviously more difficult with an adult, but a large enough suitcase or bag could indeed hold an adult. (I hate even thinking of that happening to her body; how awful it must be for Jo's family to have to imagine all the possibilities. I don't know how they can cope with all of this.)

There are photos of this Tabak guy on the Mail webpage which, in the light of what happened before, seems premature. According to the Mail the partial DNA sample found is enough to rule out suspects, but not to prove guilt. Tabak, as far as you can tell from photos, looks an ordinary sort of man and, having studied his eyes, I can't detect anything sinister or cold about them. Time will tell..

fedrules wrote:There are photos of this Tabak guy on the Mail webpage which, in the light of what happened before, seems premature. According to the Mail the partial DNA sample found is enough to rule out suspects, but not to prove guilt. Tabak, as far as you can tell from photos, looks an ordinary sort of man and, having studied his eyes, I can't detect anything sinister or cold about them. Time will tell..

Now I have heard everything. Should we just line all people up against a wall and get and 'expert' to look into their eyes? Or better still, to save money, just let the 'expert' sit in front of a computer screen with mugshots flashing up of everybody. Then simple, just lock up the sinister ones. How come nobody has thought of such a thing before? It would solve all the problems of society at very little expense. Save the cost of courts and police and juries and lawyers etc.

lifeisforliving wrote:

fedrules wrote:There are photos of this Tabak guy on the Mail webpage which, in the light of what happened before, seems premature. According to the Mail the partial DNA sample found is enough to rule out suspects, but not to prove guilt. Tabak, as far as you can tell from photos, looks an ordinary sort of man and, having studied his eyes, I can't detect anything sinister or cold about them. Time will tell..

Now I have heard everything. Should we just line all people up against a wall and get and 'expert' to look into their eyes? Or better still, to save money, just let the 'expert' sit in front of a computer screen with mugshots flashing up of everybody. Then simple, just lock up the sinister ones. How come nobody has thought of such a thing before? It would solve all the problems of society at very little expense. Save the cost of courts and police and juries and lawyers etc.

Actually, there are experts who do just that, or at least something similar. They watch videos of suspects to pick out 'micro-expressions.'

AnnaEsse wrote:

lifeisforliving wrote:

fedrules wrote:There are photos of this Tabak guy on the Mail webpage which, in the light of what happened before, seems premature. According to the Mail the partial DNA sample found is enough to rule out suspects, but not to prove guilt. Tabak, as far as you can tell from photos, looks an ordinary sort of man and, having studied his eyes, I can't detect anything sinister or cold about them. Time will tell..

Now I have heard everything. Should we just line all people up against a wall and get and 'expert' to look into their eyes? Or better still, to save money, just let the 'expert' sit in front of a computer screen with mugshots flashing up of everybody. Then simple, just lock up the sinister ones. How come nobody has thought of such a thing before? It would solve all the problems of society at very little expense. Save the cost of courts and police and juries and lawyers etc.

Actually, there are experts who do just that, or at least something similar. They watch videos of suspects to pick out 'micro-expressions.'

This is true. I feel a new topic brewing...

Fedrules - give the man a break, please.

"As for the boyfriend, he has to be the prime suspect, if merely from a statistical point of view. However, some of his words were rather odd IMO. For example, he said he thought he and Jo would be together forever and that they were planning to go to Jo's parents' home for Christmas - 'Always a big deal for a boyfriend'. The use of the past tense and the regret for things which weren't to be were somewhat strange, considering at the time Jo was only missing. Perhaps Jo had changed her mind about him and this lead to her death. Sadly it wouldn't be the first time that a woman has been killed for rejecting someone.."

"Jefferies's car is grey / silver..my money is definitely on him being the culprit. I just think it strange that forensics are still at his flat and that the police say they have no reason to believe women in Bristol are at a greater risk than normal."

and now

"There are photos of this Tabak guy on the Mail webpage which, in the light of what happened before, seems premature. According to the Mail the partial DNA sample found is enough to rule out suspects, but not to prove guilt. Tabak, as far as you can tell from photos, looks an ordinary sort of man and, having studied his eyes, I can't detect anything sinister or cold about them. Time will tell.. "

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On the basis of the accuracy of your previous sleuthing, they might as well lock this Tabak guy up and throw away the key......

AnnaEsse wrote:

lifeisforliving wrote:

fedrules wrote:There are photos of this Tabak guy on the Mail webpage which, in the light of what happened before, seems premature. According to the Mail the partial DNA sample found is enough to rule out suspects, but not to prove guilt. Tabak, as far as you can tell from photos, looks an ordinary sort of man and, having studied his eyes, I can't detect anything sinister or cold about them. Time will tell..

Now I have heard everything. Should we just line all people up against a wall and get and 'expert' to look into their eyes? Or better still, to save money, just let the 'expert' sit in front of a computer screen with mugshots flashing up of everybody. Then simple, just lock up the sinister ones. How come nobody has thought of such a thing before? It would solve all the problems of society at very little expense. Save the cost of courts and police and juries and lawyers etc.

Actually, there are experts who do just that, or at least something similar. They watch videos of suspects to pick out 'micro-expressions.'

Oh dear. Are there? Are they like the experts who do studies that tell us remarkable things like sleep is good for us or tall people are noticed more quickly in a group.

More to the point what are they for? Who pays them? Have you any examples of where they have ever solved a crime or prevented a crime?

And do you think the average Joe Plod on a forum is able to really suss out people from the odd video clip on the internet or television?

Perhaps our coppers are getting it all wrong? Maybe they should be in armchairs with mugs of coffee in the station just watching CCTV all day. They could make lists of all the dodgy people they see and then send vans round later to pick them all up and send them off to jail. As I say no need for the legal system now we have these 'micro-expressions' sussed.

I look forward to the examples of the criminal work of these experts you do this work.