Mr McCann will return to Britain this afternoon because of work commitments

Claudia79 wrote:

viv wrote:Hiya Claudia,

But we do not know if she is still training, I think that is very unlikely because the sort of work that she describes equates with someone who can only do that when they have completed their training, ie the most difficult work including pain management etc.

You do not automatically move from being a registrar to a consultant as Photon suggests at the end of your training, you have to successfully apply for a consultants job. There are many fully qualified anaesthetists who are not consultants. They are still under the overall supervision of the consultant but do not do their day to day work under his or her supervision.

There is research to confirm that being part time, being a mom, having career breaks can work against you in getting a job as a consultant because you have to be able to offer a set number of hours etc.

Here in Portugal, after all those years if she still wasn't a consultant she would certainly be in trouble and would be looked at in a funny way. I have a friend who is in the more or less in middle of her training as an anaesthetic (have to check with her) and she is younger than me.

Well Hun, there is the clear possibility that she is just a bit thick, cannot pass the exams as well as the practical training and will forever be a registrar, if they will have her

viv wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:

viv wrote:Hiya Claudia,

But we do not know if she is still training, I think that is very unlikely because the sort of work that she describes equates with someone who can only do that when they have completed their training, ie the most difficult work including pain management etc.

You do not automatically move from being a registrar to a consultant as Photon suggests at the end of your training, you have to successfully apply for a consultants job. There are many fully qualified anaesthetists who are not consultants. They are still under the overall supervision of the consultant but do not do their day to day work under his or her supervision.

There is research to confirm that being part time, being a mom, having career breaks can work against you in getting a job as a consultant because you have to be able to offer a set number of hours etc.

Here in Portugal, after all those years if she still wasn't a consultant she would certainly be in trouble and would be looked at in a funny way. I have a friend who is in the more or less in middle of her training as an anaesthetic (have to check with her) and she is younger than me.

Well Hun, there is the clear possibility that she is just a bit thick, cannot pass the exams as well as the practical training and will forever be a registrar, if they will have her

Naaa, I would say that is a very remote possibility!

She has maybe even damaged her career with this little shenanigan in PDL, but then again, hubby is now a specialist and registered too so we all know how well he is doing, did they feel sorry for him at his age?

It is a pity this slipped your mind from the Paedo Payne thread, Photon, I would have felt better advised as to his prospects of ever becoming a consultant



David Payne + Urology + The future is bright - the future is European!
Laffin Assasin on Tue 24 Nov - 21:13

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EBU Exam: a UK trainee’s experience

Mr. David PayneLeicester GeneralHospitalUrology deptLeicester

It’s a pleasant Sunday morning in Athens and thetemperature is approaching 30˚C. I’m sipping aMythos beer in the shade of an umbrella whilsttaking in the view of the Acropolis, satisfied withthe new award - Fellow of the European board ofurology (FEBU). Not bad considering less than 48hours ago I was leaving the rainy shores of England.So what madness drove me to sit yet more exams?I had always been impressed with the EAU’sapproach to trainees and as a junior member I hadenrolled on the European Residents EducationProgramme (EUREP) in Prague. This is essentially arevision course with the option for final yeartrainees to sit the EBU MCQ paper at the end of theweek. Those who pass the exam can proceed to sitthe EBU oral exam held at a later date. On thecourse I met several UK trainees who were usingthe week to prepare for the UK FRCS urology exam.This seemed a sensible strategy to sit both theEuropean and English exams in quick succession whilst being at your most knowledgeable.

I eventually sat the EBU written exam in London inNovember 2008 along with 17 other hopefulcandidates. In total, 227 trainees across Europe tookthe exam at several venues. The paper consisted of 150MCQ’s, which had to be completed within 2 ½ hours.The paper was very fair with the questions beingmainly clinically orientated and applicable to UKpractice.“So book your exam, make along weekend break and embracethe opportunities of a Europeanmarket!”Two weeks later I was notified that I had passed theexam and was provided with a breakdown of marksfor each urology sub-speciality. This latter feature washelpful in directing subsequent revision for the FRCSurology written paper that was conveniently held sixweeks later, which I also passed. So far so good...Next up were the oral examinations with the FRCS inMay and the EBU equivalent in June. The FRCS vivainvolved answering questions on 16 differentscenarios testing all of the urology sub-specialities.Although re-energised by the relief of passing theFRCS vivas, I did question the logic of rushing off twoweeks later to sit another viva abroad.However, on landing in Athens on a Friday night withthe warm breeze that greets you on arrival, the ordeal becomes more like an adventure. The vivas wereheld on the Saturday in a hotel not far from the citycentre. Unlike the endless vivas for the FRCS, theEBU oral consists of three structured scenarioslasting just under an hour. My first viva coveredpaediatrics, the next penile cancer, with the finalclinical based problem beginning with a BPHscenario which took a cheeky change in direction,turning into the management of bladder cancer.The examiners were very friendly and encouragingthroughout but expected knowledge to be backedup with reference to the 2009 EAU guidelines. Oncethe vivas are finished, the award ceremony washeld later on that evening. The names of those whohave passed are called out and the FEBU diplomais awarded to the applause of the other trainees.Very few people fail outright, with borderlinecandidates getting another opportunity to sit a passfail viva that evening.My overall impression of the EBU exam is a verypositive one. It’s reasonably priced, well organisedwith sensible, and clinically based questions givingtrainees from all over Europe the chance to testtheir clinical abilities. To date, 188 urologists in theUK have passed the diploma – the total stands at2617. Although FEBU is not currently recognised asa formal qualification, the number of UK traineessitting the exam is likely to continue to rise.So book your exam, make a long weekend breakand embrace the opportunities of a Europeanmarket. Who knows, that job in Tuscany is justround the corner ?

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and somehow, one suspects this guy will not be let loose in the EU, in spite all his passions, love of Portugal etc.